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Will Obama's Reassurances To Iraqi Officials Upset His Base?

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June 18, 2008 10:15 AM


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While most worldwide polls regarding America's presidential race would make Barack Obama the victor were they to count for anything, it appears his support was a little shaky of late among some officials in Iraq.

According to Wednesday's Washington Post, Iraqi Foreign Minister Hoshyar Zebari listened to Obama's campaign rhetoric about the need to pull out U.S. forces from his country, and didn't like what he was hearing. As he said to the Post's editorial board, "we are just turning the corner in Iraq," and so he told Obama in their recent meeting that he hoped the Democratic candidate would not sacrifice those gains if elected.

Zebari professes to have received a palatable, reassuring answer from Obama, to the point where the Post came away with the impression that Zebari now thinks "Mr. Obama might not differ all that much from Mr. McCain."

If that's true, and Zebari repeats such an opinion with any frequency between now and the election, it could prove a dispiriting blow to Obama's domestic supporters, who look to Iraq as a principal point of distinction between their candidate and John McCain.

Moreover, Obama camp overtures to Iraqi officials appear to go beyond merely placating Mr. Zebari during his trip to America. According to a June 13 report in London's daily Al-Hayat newspaper, Zebari is quoted as saying Obama officials set up a conversation two weeks ago with Iraq's Ambassador to the United States, Samir Shakir al-Sumaydi.

According to Zebari's account of that meeting, relayed in Al-Hayat's report, Iraq's ambassador came away with the impression that an Obama presidency would not lead to "dramatic changes in Washington's policy on Iraq" because "Obama listens to the views of the field commanders on the ground."

Raghida Dergham, the Al-Hayat reporter who wrote that piece, also recently opined, in English, that "Barack Obama has already begun to break out of the cage he built around himself with his demagogic and simplistic statements on how to pull American troops out of Iraq."

That's not all bad news for Obama, because "not listening" to generals and not being open to new evidence coming out of Iraq are two accusations laid at his feet by the McCain campaign. On the latter count, it would probably be advantageous for Obama to show that his thinking is flexible, and driven by the latest findings on the ground in Iraq. (His reported plans for a visit to Iraq are likely aimed at achieving precisely that outcome.)

But the idea that Obama could be telling a foreign audience to discount -- to any degree -- his domestic rhetoric could also connect with the prior campaign controversy surrounding former economic adviser Austan Goolsbee, who found himself tangled up in the appearance of telling Canada not to mind Obama's criticism of the North American Free Trade Agreement during primary season.

Appearing to want to have it both ways on a complex trade agreement is one thing. To do so on a matter of national security is likely something Obama can ill afford.

Emails to Obama officials for comment were not immediately returned.

 
 

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- wayoutleft See Profile I'm a Fan of wayoutleft

no. it won't upset his base at all- since now his base is old white ladies from kansas and bowlers in appalachia.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:46 AM on 06/20/2008
- ABCD See Profile I'm a Fan of ABCD

Let's remember one thing - The Iraqi government wants John McSame to win. That way they will not have to do anything for themselves including PAYING FOR THIS WAR!

Vote Barack! Obama08

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:31 PM on 06/19/2008
- cedricryan See Profile I'm a Fan of cedricryan

What? A politician saying one thing to get elected and another later...oh wait. He's not elected yet! Too bad, this is just showing him to be one of the pack...talking out of both sides of his mouth. The dream is gone. Sigh.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:05 AM on 06/19/2008
- Rescisco See Profile I'm a Fan of Rescisco

Zebari now thinks "Mr. Obama might not differ all that much from Mr. McCain."

That is what I am afraid of to tell the truth. The temptation will be to inch along and buy into the illusion that there is too much "progress" being made to risk a radical change etc. Even under the best of circumstances, a post election President Obama will be far less daring and bold than candidate Obama.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:58 AM on 06/19/2008
- cynicism101 See Profile I'm a Fan of cynicism101

I'm sure Senator Barak "Present" Obama's comments on Iraq are just as duplicitous as his comments to Canadian officials regarding his stance on NAFTA.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:29 AM on 06/19/2008
- bookon See Profile I'm a Fan of bookon

And we should blindly take the word of an Iraqi Minister because....????

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:45 AM on 06/19/2008
- otispfudpucker See Profile I'm a Fan of otispfudpucker

I know that Barack will keep his word in getting us out of Iraq in 16 months...
Any fool knows that is is protecting his ass in a literal sense when he told the Iraqi foreign Minister
what he wanted to hear.
Barack is planning a trip to Iraq as well as Afghanastan, he would be inviting an attempt on his life while he is there if he didn't say what he said.
He will get us out of that hell hole of a money pit....Trust him..

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:52 AM on 06/19/2008
- cynicism101 See Profile I'm a Fan of cynicism101

Sure - trust him. Just like we were supposed to Trust Pelosi and Reid to get us out of Iraq ... Yeah - you're right. Let's just trust him....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:23 AM on 06/19/2008
- meanguy See Profile I'm a Fan of meanguy

are you kidding? obama could disembowel a nun on live tv with a garden trowel and eat the entrails, and his sheeple would applaud

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:01 AM on 06/19/2008
- wayoutleft See Profile I'm a Fan of wayoutleft

i think the key consideration of the disembowelment would be product placement. and - is the nun an independent contractor with her own agent- or an employee of the catholic church. they would maybe need producer participation. then the sheeple would applaud.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:37 PM on 06/20/2008
- praxitas See Profile I'm a Fan of praxitas

some nuns are evil

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:52 AM on 06/19/2008
- abby4ever See Profile I'm a Fan of abby4ever

*** On the latter count, it would probably be advantageous for Obama to show that his thinking is flexible, and driven by the latest findings on the ground in Iraq.***

It might be advantageous if that wasn't exactly Goerge Bush's argument for the past year: that he will listen to the commanders on the ground. I think it was also Hillary's position.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:08 AM on 06/19/2008
- aofh See Profile I'm a Fan of aofh

My sense is that our military is really not in control in Iraq and that what is being reported to the American people and Congress doesn't reflect the reality. I'd love to see journalism in this country challenge the official line and assumptions. I'd love to hear more about how the political landscape is actually taking shape as opposed to just the violence in Barsa and other Sadr-controlled areas. I'd like to hear more about what's at stake for the various factions and what the real political possiblities are. Until we start getting a realistic picture of what the stakes are for the various factions and what's going on, it is going to be impossible for us to see how and how soon we can get out.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:12 PM on 06/18/2008
- egal See Profile I'm a Fan of egal

How is Obama's claim to pull out of Iraq safely, responsibly, and expeditiously in any way countermanded by his reassurance that he won't just yank the troops out of Iraq without addressing the needs for stability and government?

Oh, wait, it ISN'T.

Maybe you should be more careful not to fall for the conservative media proclivity for inaccurate, black and white soundbytes and jumping to the most extreme and uninformed conclusions (good vs. evil, no troops coming home versus no leaving Iraq in the lurch) that ignore policy nuance and the candidate's claims, as well as reality which seldom falls into an unmoderated us/them or only this or that pattern.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:11 PM on 06/18/2008
- ricitizen See Profile I'm a Fan of ricitizen

Egal,

Your response to that article was excellent. I wish, that when the campaign surrogates are asked question related to the alleged statements in the article, that they would simple respond as you have and move on.

Obama '08

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:41 AM on 06/19/2008
- rmwarnick See Profile I'm a Fan of rmwarnick

You know how the Commander-in-Chief listens to the commanders on the ground? He tells them what the mission is, and then they tell him how they plan to accomplish it. Then the Commander-in-Chief gives the "go" order and the commanders on the ground say, "Yes, sir, Mr. President." Somehow I think the order to withdraw from Iraq will be the easiest call of Barack Obama's presidency.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:58 PM on 06/18/2008
- benne See Profile I'm a Fan of benne

Can someone explain to me why so-called progressives keep backing this guy even though they say (perhaps wrongly) that he will not follow their policy. Tom Hayden of the 1960s, for example, backs him even though he says that he will keep "non-combat" troups in Iraq, transfer combat-troups to Afghanistan, and escalate that war, perhaps to some actions on the border to Pakhistan. Given that Hayden and other progressives say they want to end the war now, why then do they support him? There's a sense, I guess, that he is a stealth candidate and that he will really do the right thing when in office. Is that what people here think, or can people explain to me why progressives support him even when they insist he won't end the war?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:28 PM on 06/18/2008
- gr8abz See Profile I'm a Fan of gr8abz

I consider myself a progressive and I am all for war. I believe in war. Signs that say 'war is not the answer' make me sick because like it or not there are times war is the answer. G W Bush committed the worst of all crimes by wasting our vital military in a conflict that he created in a country that was of no immanent threat to the U.S.A. Obama's intentions of getting back on Bin Laden's tail and reestablishing a military offensive in Afghanistan and the Pakistani border region is a sound idea. It is time to shift our offensives into those regions where BIn Laden and the Taliban thrive. And thanks to Bush's misusing our troops for a war that has nothing to do with the war on terror, we are way behind where we should be in fixing this problem.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:05 AM on 06/19/2008
- Birdman See Profile I'm a Fan of Birdman

I think most people will agree that Iraq was a wrong choice. Afghanistan was not abandoning Afghanistan was a mistake which allowed OBL to escape and to further build his organization. Obama is intelligent enough to see that he is also intelligent enough to realize that nothing will get taken care of in Iraq as long as we stay. How hard is that all to figure out? You seem to be deluded that Progressives are very anti war regardless. I thin you assume that there is no compromise in anybody"s mind, apparently you confuse progressives with republicans which all talk party line and are of one mind kind of like the Borg. Progressives are not, and most understand that compromise is how things get done. Bush bots are locked into my way, or no way, hence the problem in Iraq with the attitude of gun boat diplomacy it is time to stop shooting and talk to get things ironed out. Afghanistan needs to have more troops in order to get OBL and bring him to justice, can"t do that with all the troops in Iraq.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:05 PM on 06/18/2008
- wayoutleft See Profile I'm a Fan of wayoutleft

i jumped off when he dumped his pastor and left his church. he believes he can easily replace my vote by pandering to hardcore rightists south of nowhere. he's probably right- he'll need to better pandering to hunters this fall than he did pandering to bowlers.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:19 PM on 06/18/2008
- axt113 See Profile I'm a Fan of axt113

actually he will, however you have to accept that you can't just piull out all at once, it wouldn't work, he will talk to the gnerals and begin a reasoned withdrawl from Iraq, over the course of about a year and a half.

As for Afghaistan, that is where we should have been fighting all these years, and attacking the Pashtun region to find Osama

Obama clearly supports what the progressives want, he just isn't going to be reckless

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:52 PM on 06/18/2008
- jetgirl See Profile I'm a Fan of jetgirl

No. For one he actually wants to get out in a responsible way. McCain wants to stay in and build bases. He has to take everything under consideration and I don't think he'd even think of totally leaving the Iraq and the people there to some horrible fate. It will be done carefully, but it will be done.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:01 PM on 06/18/2008
- mredder4 See Profile I'm a Fan of mredder4

Did it upset his base when he assured Canada that he wouldn't back out of NAFTA after all? That it was just primary smoke and mirrors to placate the most liberal of Democrats, i.e. his base?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:45 PM on 06/18/2008
- benne See Profile I'm a Fan of benne

Yes, it seems that people don't worry too much about his policies but trust in his character. I guess I'm the only person around that wants to hear more about policies than personality. Certainly, so far, we're not hearing too much about, let's say, gas prices -- the kind of bread and butter issues that affect middle America.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:30 PM on 06/18/2008
- SharonWantsToTalk See Profile I'm a Fan of SharonWantsToTalk

Gas prices are going to stay high. Get used to it and change you habits. Even if a new administration stops the subsidies to the oil companies, (yes I said SUBSIDIES given to an industry reaping record profit of ANY industry EVER and they are in the billions) the price of gas will remain high. Our current oil president asked the Saudis to pump more and they blew him off. But in the last week, they realized that Americans are actually changing their habits to use less (Go America!). So now they decided to pump more out of fear that we might not need them so much. Oil prices are not an issue any president can have much influence over. Pick another,issue, like job creation in the budding Green energies field that can actually bring REAL wage jobs back . That kind of innovation will bring the bread, butter and more back to middle America.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:23 AM on 06/19/2008
- zippywpinhead See Profile I'm a Fan of zippywpinhead

nice republican talking points, concern troll. But the fact is, if you aren't hearing about his policies, then you just aren't listening- or reading. It's all there- the whole "I don't know, he's just too much an unknown" is pure BS designed to scare the uninformed.

BTW, the whole Canada/NAFTA sham was also untrue, just more campaign tactics designed to scare voters...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:51 PM on 06/18/2008
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