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PAMELA HESS | June 20, 2008 08:24 PM EST | AP

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WASHINGTON — The House on Friday easily approved a compromise bill setting new electronic surveillance rules that effectively shield telecommunications companies from lawsuits arising from the government's terrorism-era warrantless eavesdropping on phone and computer lines in this country.

The bill, which was passed on a 293-129 vote, does more than just protect the telecoms. The update to the 30-year-old Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act is an attempt to balance privacy rights with the government's responsibility to protect the country against attack, taking into account changes in telecommunications technologies.

"This bill, though imperfect, protects both," said Rep. Jane Harman, D-Calif., and a former member of the House intelligence committee.

President Bush praised the bill Friday. "It will help our intelligence professionals learn enemies' plans for new attacks," he said in a statement before television cameras a few hours before the vote.

The House's passage of the FISA Amendment bill marks the beginning of the end to a monthslong standoff between Democrats and Republicans about the rules for government wiretapping inside the United States. The Senate was expected to pass the bill with a large margin, perhaps as soon as next week, before Congress takes a break during the week of the Fourth of July.

The government eavesdropped on American phone and computer lines for almost six years after the Sept. 11 attacks without permission from the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court, the special panel established for that purpose under the 1978 law. Some 40 lawsuits have been filed against the telecommunications companies by groups and individuals who think the Bush administration illegally monitored their phone calls or e-mails.

The White House had threatened to veto any surveillance bill that did not also shield the companies.

The compromise bill directs a federal district court to review certifications from the attorney general saying the telecommunications companies received presidential orders telling them wiretaps were needed to detect or prevent a terrorist attack. If the paperwork were deemed in order, the judge would dismiss the lawsuit.

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It would also require the inspectors general of the Justice Department, Pentagon and intelligence agencies to investigate the wiretapping program, with a report due in a year.

Critics of the bill say dismissal is a foregone conclusion.

"These provisions turn the judiciary into the administration's rubber stamp," said Rep. Zoe Lofgren, D-Calif. She opposes the bill.

Opponents of immunity believe civil lawsuits are the only way the full extent of the wiretapping program will ever be revealed.

Key senators voiced strong opposition to the compromise, although they're unlikely to have the votes to either defeat or filibuster the bill. Sen. Arlen Specter of Pennsylvania, the top Republican on the Senate Judiciary Committee, condemned the immunity deal. He said that nothing in the new bill would prevent the government from once again wiretapping domestic phone and computer lines without court permission.

Specter said the problem is constitutional: The White House may still assert that the president's Article II powers as commander in chief supersede statutes that would limit him actions.

"Only the courts can decide that issue and this proposal dodges it," Specter said.

Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi of California disputed that, saying FISA would from now on be the authority for the government to conduct electronic surveillance.

"There is no inherent authority of the president to do whatever he wants. This is a democracy, not a monarchy," she said.

Sen. Barack Obama, the Democratic candidate for president, said in a statement that the compromise accepted by the House was an improvement over the bill he had opposed last year.

"Under this compromise legislation, an important tool in the fight against terrorism will continue, but the president's illegal program of warrantless surveillance will be over," Obama said. "It is not all that I would want. But given the legitimate threats we face, providing effective intelligence collection tools with appropriate safeguards is too important to delay."

Some civil liberties and privacy groups are also opposing the bill. They object not only to the immunity provision but to what they consider the weakening of the FISA court's oversight of government eavesdropping. For example, the government can initiate a wiretap without court permission if "important intelligence" would otherwise be lost. It has a week to file the request for approval with the court, and the court has 30 days to act on it. But if the court objects to how the government is carrying out the wiretap, it could be weeks before those methods are changed or stopped.

"What we have here is the opportunity for the government to commit mass untargeted surveillance," said Texas Democratic Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee.

Opponents also contend the privacy of Americans who communicate with people overseas is not adequately protected. The bill would allow the government to tap the foreigner's calls without court approval, and critics contend that innocent American conversations can be swept up in that.

The Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act Amendment bill also would:

_Require FISA court permission to wiretap Americans who are overseas.

_Prohibit targeting a foreigner to secretly eavesdrop, without court approval, on an American's calls or e-mails.

_Require the government to protect American information or conversations that are collected when in communications with targeted foreigners.

_Allow the FISA court 30 days to review existing but expiring surveillance orders before renewing them.

_Allow eavesdropping in emergencies without court approval, provided the government files required papers within a week.

_Prohibits the president from superseding surveillance rules in the future.

WASHINGTON — The House on Friday easily approved a compromise bill setting new electronic surveillance rules that effectively shield telecommunications companies from lawsuits arising from the g...
WASHINGTON — The House on Friday easily approved a compromise bill setting new electronic surveillance rules that effectively shield telecommunications companies from lawsuits arising from the g...
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It all becomes very clear and simple if, for starters, you say that the Bush Democrats or Bush Dogs, were never Democrats in the first place. They were Republicans tarted up to look like Democrats because the RNC knew they didn't stand a snowball's chance in Hell of being elected in '06. So they came up with a plan to pimp out their guys saying very Democratic things like: "Oh, yessiree, boys and girls--- when I get to DC I am going to stop the WAR and bring home the troops."
So these fake Dems got elected due to the outrage of the voters. And then they doffed their sheeps clothing and voted for more money to fund George Bush's WAR. And in fact, they were now ready, willing, and able to do everything Bush wants anytime he wants it.
Before you throw out this idea, as too outlandish, consider: Where else do you think that Rush Limbaugh came up with the absurd notion for Republicans to register as Democrats and elect Hillary in the primaries and then shoot her down in November?
This also explains why so many Bush supporters who post to political message boards were so absolutely certain that Bush and Cheney would NEVER be Impeached under any circumstances.
Let's stop calling these Bush Dogs Democrats and instead call them what they are: REPUBLICAN LIARS. It was a clever strategy, for another reason--- it also caused voters like me to lose faith in the Democratic Party.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:11 PM on 06/23/2008
- yannaview I'm a Fan of yannaview 10 fans permalink

This is the kind of weakling Democratic Congress we can expect under Barack 's Presidency.
The pseudo change Barack has been marketing as his brand of politics is similar to the marketing brand of McDonald's who presented us chicken...fried tasty chicken that was not good for our health.

The Democratic Congressmen and Nancy Pelosi, do NOT want any candidate THAT WILL MAKE ANY CHANGE THAT WILL NOT SERVE THEIR PERSONAL INTEREST. That's why they and Nancy opposed Hillary with so much hate and aggressiveness.

Now they are forcing Barack to choose Sam Nunn...as a vice president nominee. Think about the process that will lead someone to suggest an 'agent against change' , as Sam Nunn.
They are willing to scrape the barrell ..rather than do the correct thing ..and choose Hillary Clinton as the vice President to support Barack Obama for the Presidency.

The black man always has to take orders ..from a massa..or a Madame. If Barack had to make the decision..he would have announced Hillary at this time. But Nancy and the sellouts have other plans.
They have seized the American Youths, and Middle Class primary voters revolution.

Without Hillary as Vice President..expect more embarrassing democratic congressmen and Nancy Pelosi capitulations..in the next four years

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:15 AM on 06/22/2008
- sherbug I'm a Fan of sherbug 59 fans permalink

Please stop being bitter about HRC and try to help us solve the problems that we are facing now. These are issues that affect YOU. If you think HRC would be of some help, then email and phone her office and ask her to help stop this Bill from passing the Senate and stop sitting around grinding your teeth about her loss.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:06 PM on 06/23/2008

Here's a theory for ya; Having been caught with their hand in the cookie jar via wiretaps, pols vote to allow wiretaps. (We all have our skeletons in the closet.)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:10 AM on 06/22/2008

Obama and Co, are just trowing them a bone waiting for Bush to be gone. He is the one that broke the law, and gave telecom's his blessing. Like I said this and a laundry of other things that Bush and his partners in crime have done, including McCain, I hope & pray they will be held accountable for!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:55 PM on 06/21/2008

There have been attacks in London, and in France! In addition, the terrorists have also been killing our troops, and other Americian citizens over on there own turf. Bin Ladin is still sending video's out. We got Sadam - that was all about oil, why can't we find Bin Ladin? Keeping Bush & McBush in office, wont' help. Blood for oil, it's sick & sad. God Bless our troops!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:47 PM on 06/21/2008
- Forest I'm a Fan of Forest 7 fans permalink

Saddam and Bin Laden were enemies. Certainly, you must realize this.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:32 AM on 06/22/2008
- Probus I'm a Fan of Probus 9 fans permalink
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While I am troubled that dems and Obama would support this bill it doesn't surprise me in the least. This is after all a presidential election year. While I wish that Obama would stand against this bill, I think it is important that his campaign do everything it can to make sure the GOP and McCain don't play the fear card in this election. If he were to vote against this bill they would portray him as being weak on national security. As president Obama will do everything he can to make sure American civil liberties are protected and that this program is monitored by the Inspector General. I am not prepared to walk away from his historic candidacy based on this one vote even if it is a critical one.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:02 PM on 06/21/2008
- mjc I'm a Fan of mjc 13 fans permalink

Now that the heir apparent, the Democrat, has joined the Bush administration and its excuses for needing a spying on Americans bill, is there any reason to think that an Obama administration will be BETTER for Americans than the present one?
Hillary Clinton for president: 08

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:33 PM on 06/21/2008

Yes, with her steadfastness and courage under enemy fire in Bosnia, Hillary is definitely the one to deal with serious problems. And, let's face it, the White House intern program has never been the same since Bill left office.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:54 PM on 06/21/2008
- sherbug I'm a Fan of sherbug 59 fans permalink

Let's be fair now, she is after all pretty handy with a rifle.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:09 PM on 06/23/2008
- olivia I'm a Fan of olivia 96 fans permalink

I'll never support anyone who voted YES on this.

THROW THE BUMS OUT

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:26 PM on 06/21/2008

But what if this problem had not been resolved and there had been a terrorist attack as a result of the inaction. Wouldn't you want the bums thrown out for not doing anything to prevent the attack? Or would a small number of terrorist attacks (say 2 or 3 per year) be okay?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:42 PM on 06/21/2008
- bobsmith I'm a Fan of bobsmith 8 fans permalink

People have died to preserve freedom, and you're willing to throw it away because a few pudgy, soft, rich men in suits told you to be afraid.

Wuss. I'm ashamed to live in the same country with you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:30 PM on 06/21/2008
- bobsmith I'm a Fan of bobsmith 8 fans permalink

Olivia, I agree. I'm changing my voter registration from Democrat to Independent and I won't vote for anyone who voted yes on this. The Republican party is pure evil and the Democratic party is a joke. Once again we're faced with the choice of the lesser of two evils.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:12 PM on 06/21/2008

That is exactly what I did not too long ago. I just got fed up with all the b s in the democratic party. Independent is the way to go.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:26 PM on 06/21/2008
- research I'm a Fan of research 282 fans permalink

Bush

"It will help our intelligence professionals learn enemies' plans for new attacks,"

You mean like any progressives?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:17 PM on 06/21/2008

Now about your reading disorder Georgie----What will help you comprehend those daily briefs........You know d-bag, like the one tittled Osama Bin Laden will strike the U.S.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:36 AM on 06/24/2008

I would like to know exactly how they came up with this compromise. Things went on behind closed doors. What did they find out? What deals were made? Too many people that were totally against this are now for it. What happened? This whole political system is bullcrap. We have again lost something, and again most Americans don't care. What a shame.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:14 PM on 06/21/2008

This will go down in history as one of Amercia's DARKEST DAY!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:21 PM on 06/21/2008
- Chillinout I'm a Fan of Chillinout 125 fans permalink
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This bill still needs to be approved by the Senate before it goes to bush. They are supposed to vote on the bill on Monday.

Write and call your Senators. Remind your Senators that their JOB is to uphold the Constitution and the laws of this country.
Enough people write and call, and they will have no choice but to kill it. After all, their whole reason for being is to get reelected, to retain their "power."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:03 PM on 06/21/2008

I did that, and I bet many people did. I also bet it will not mean crap. This will pass. They put the news out so we can get all bent out of shape about it, voice our frustration, and then they will all go about their business, and pass it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:17 PM on 06/21/2008
- kellygrrrl I'm a Fan of kellygrrrl 642 fans permalink
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FISA does not need to be "restored" -- it simply needs to be "ENFORCED"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:50 PM on 06/21/2008
- ajaye I'm a Fan of ajaye 3 fans permalink

Here's my take on it.

Bush tried an end run around the FISA court, gathering authority to himself under his presidential powers.

This bill does give an impression of imprimatur to much of what he did, by increasing allowable surveillance to include the type he did. And to go 30 days without a review by FISC.

However, as I read it, the amendment also increases oversight. And by stating that FISA is the sole framework of conducting surveillance, it clarifies that anything outside the bounds of FISA is an impeachable offense.

FISA has been around since 1978. FISA courts have been around since then. The key to curbing illegal wiretapping etc. is placing all of electronic surveillance activity under the jurisdiction of the FISA courts, making sure the standards have some teeth to them so that the FISC isn't just a rubber stamp, and giving plenty of diverse parties oversight of the process. To the extent that The Patriot Act and the Protect America Act and FISA amendments have weakened those limitations and protections our privacy rights have been eroded since 1978. However the main objectives of FISA remain in place: Balancing national security concerns with privacy rights.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:14 PM on 06/21/2008

The Congress cannot restrict the President's authority under the Constitution. That is what "separation of powers" means.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:24 PM on 06/21/2008
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Unless there is some really, truly good reason for these actions, we should start heavy campaigning to get the traitors that voted for this immunity out of office. Or, better yet, let's charge them with malfeasance.
Or both. They did take an oath to uphold the constitution. They are not doing that.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:13 PM on 06/21/2008
- blueshield I'm a Fan of blueshield 86 fans permalink

I agree dbfarmer. Where's the proof we need this bill? Where's the threat, and how big is it? Does it justify this step? Nobody's asking.

Accountability.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:22 PM on 06/21/2008

Calling someone a traitor just because you don't agree with them makes you a total idiot.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:50 AM on 06/22/2008

Like the right-wing media machine did when the NEOCONS lied us into Iraq???????

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:41 AM on 06/24/2008
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