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PAMELA HESS | June 20, 2008 08:24 PM EST | AP

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WASHINGTON — The House on Friday easily approved a compromise bill setting new electronic surveillance rules that effectively shield telecommunications companies from lawsuits arising from the government's terrorism-era warrantless eavesdropping on phone and computer lines in this country.

The bill, which was passed on a 293-129 vote, does more than just protect the telecoms. The update to the 30-year-old Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act is an attempt to balance privacy rights with the government's responsibility to protect the country against attack, taking into account changes in telecommunications technologies.

"This bill, though imperfect, protects both," said Rep. Jane Harman, D-Calif., and a former member of the House intelligence committee.

President Bush praised the bill Friday. "It will help our intelligence professionals learn enemies' plans for new attacks," he said in a statement before television cameras a few hours before the vote.

The House's passage of the FISA Amendment bill marks the beginning of the end to a monthslong standoff between Democrats and Republicans about the rules for government wiretapping inside the United States. The Senate was expected to pass the bill with a large margin, perhaps as soon as next week, before Congress takes a break during the week of the Fourth of July.

The government eavesdropped on American phone and computer lines for almost six years after the Sept. 11 attacks without permission from the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court, the special panel established for that purpose under the 1978 law. Some 40 lawsuits have been filed against the telecommunications companies by groups and individuals who think the Bush administration illegally monitored their phone calls or e-mails.

The White House had threatened to veto any surveillance bill that did not also shield the companies.

The compromise bill directs a federal district court to review certifications from the attorney general saying the telecommunications companies received presidential orders telling them wiretaps were needed to detect or prevent a terrorist attack. If the paperwork were deemed in order, the judge would dismiss the lawsuit.

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It would also require the inspectors general of the Justice Department, Pentagon and intelligence agencies to investigate the wiretapping program, with a report due in a year.

Critics of the bill say dismissal is a foregone conclusion.

"These provisions turn the judiciary into the administration's rubber stamp," said Rep. Zoe Lofgren, D-Calif. She opposes the bill.

Opponents of immunity believe civil lawsuits are the only way the full extent of the wiretapping program will ever be revealed.

Key senators voiced strong opposition to the compromise, although they're unlikely to have the votes to either defeat or filibuster the bill. Sen. Arlen Specter of Pennsylvania, the top Republican on the Senate Judiciary Committee, condemned the immunity deal. He said that nothing in the new bill would prevent the government from once again wiretapping domestic phone and computer lines without court permission.

Specter said the problem is constitutional: The White House may still assert that the president's Article II powers as commander in chief supersede statutes that would limit him actions.

"Only the courts can decide that issue and this proposal dodges it," Specter said.

Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi of California disputed that, saying FISA would from now on be the authority for the government to conduct electronic surveillance.

"There is no inherent authority of the president to do whatever he wants. This is a democracy, not a monarchy," she said.

Sen. Barack Obama, the Democratic candidate for president, said in a statement that the compromise accepted by the House was an improvement over the bill he had opposed last year.

"Under this compromise legislation, an important tool in the fight against terrorism will continue, but the president's illegal program of warrantless surveillance will be over," Obama said. "It is not all that I would want. But given the legitimate threats we face, providing effective intelligence collection tools with appropriate safeguards is too important to delay."

Some civil liberties and privacy groups are also opposing the bill. They object not only to the immunity provision but to what they consider the weakening of the FISA court's oversight of government eavesdropping. For example, the government can initiate a wiretap without court permission if "important intelligence" would otherwise be lost. It has a week to file the request for approval with the court, and the court has 30 days to act on it. But if the court objects to how the government is carrying out the wiretap, it could be weeks before those methods are changed or stopped.

"What we have here is the opportunity for the government to commit mass untargeted surveillance," said Texas Democratic Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee.

Opponents also contend the privacy of Americans who communicate with people overseas is not adequately protected. The bill would allow the government to tap the foreigner's calls without court approval, and critics contend that innocent American conversations can be swept up in that.

The Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act Amendment bill also would:

_Require FISA court permission to wiretap Americans who are overseas.

_Prohibit targeting a foreigner to secretly eavesdrop, without court approval, on an American's calls or e-mails.

_Require the government to protect American information or conversations that are collected when in communications with targeted foreigners.

_Allow the FISA court 30 days to review existing but expiring surveillance orders before renewing them.

_Allow eavesdropping in emergencies without court approval, provided the government files required papers within a week.

_Prohibits the president from superseding surveillance rules in the future.

WASHINGTON — The House on Friday easily approved a compromise bill setting new electronic surveillance rules that effectively shield telecommunications companies from lawsuits arising from the g...
WASHINGTON — The House on Friday easily approved a compromise bill setting new electronic surveillance rules that effectively shield telecommunications companies from lawsuits arising from the g...
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- DonKrieger I'm a Fan of DonKrieger 3 fans permalink
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Open Door for Congressional Testimony:

If the bill passes with legal immunity for the telecoms, doesn't that open the door for Congress to subpoena Telecom people and hear testimony under oath. With the immunity in place, they cannot use their 5th amendment rights. And why would they lie or refuse at that point?

Don

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:30 PM on 06/21/2008
- kellygrrrl I'm a Fan of kellygrrrl 642 fans permalink
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if there is no threat of prosecution, why would they say anything at all?

oh, hey, yeah, we did what we were told to do by the prez. period

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:54 PM on 06/21/2008
- DonKrieger I'm a Fan of DonKrieger 3 fans permalink
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Under subpoena, they are required to swear to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. The threat of prosecution being removed promotes that.

It's the details that are needed: when exactly they did what and by whose order. I'm speaking now about Telecom witnesses. This is the standard way of getting at the big fish. Give the big fish immunity and use the information they provide to go up the ladder.

Of course the other details which are important are the names of those whose records were released. This is the basis for the violation of civil rights suits. If the Telecoms and their employees are off the hook, they still can implicate the government people from whom they received the requests and to whom they provided information. And the law does not provide immunity for the government people.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:10 PM on 06/21/2008
- evekendall I'm a Fan of evekendall 135 fans permalink
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They can make all the laws they want, but that doesn't make them constitutional.

There is only one way to amend the Constitution: a proposed amendment must be ratified by three-fourths of the states to take effect. Period. Congress can't just make laws in an attempt to amend the Constitution.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:05 PM on 06/21/2008
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I believe you are correct. There are also laws against giving immunity after the fact.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:11 PM on 06/21/2008
- OhioJan I'm a Fan of OhioJan 6 fans permalink
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Some guy, about 3-4 pages of comments back, had a REALLY good idea: American's need to MOBILIZE!!! Say, a "Million American Voter March" to Washington, DC! HE suggested we all carry Rifles 'N Ropes. I say, we carry TAR 'N FEATHERS!!! We punish them & publically humilate them before ALL of their greedy lobbyists, by stripping them BARE then COVER them ALL with their coveted OIL - boiling, of course, in honor of ALL of our fallen from their illegal Iraq War - then we cover them with FEATHERS we've gathered from CHICKENS - which they ALL are!!!

The House has effectively STRIPPED US of most of our "coveted" CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS yesterday and, in the upcoming week, the Senate will ensure our 4th Amendment loss!!! Voting hasn't worked for us in the past 30 or so years - because corruption & evil ALWAYS win out over integrity, honesty & decency. American's need to make a SOLID stand and, like yet ANOTHER poster said, return our "democracy" back into the "REPUBLIC" that our Fore-Fathers originally intended it to be...and to REMAIN, for ALL future generations!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:52 PM on 06/21/2008
- Rule Of Law I'm a Fan of Rule Of Law 158 fans permalink

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Article 1 - The Legislative Branch
Section 9 - Limits on Congress

Expressly forbids the enactment of any law after the fact--ex post facto--to either criminalize a previously legal action OR to decriminalize an act that was committed and was Illegal at that time.

"Every law that alters the legal rules of evidence, and receives ***less, or different, testimony, than the law required at the time of the commission of the offense,*** in order to convict the offender."

Some may say that the law can be changed retroactively as we see done in capital murder cases where the punishment is altered--Eg, striking down the death penalty so that a convicted murderer now serves life instead. BUT, the crime at the basis of the decision Cannot be decriminalized! Only the degree of punishment is changed. And even then, in those cases where a the Supreme Court changes law by decree, they have Not changed the Constitution, which says nothing re capital punishment.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:10 PM on 06/21/2008
- Rule Of Law I'm a Fan of Rule Of Law 158 fans permalink

This is very clear. The Founders understood the weakness of man. They knew that someday, someone would try to rig the system for their allies, and they wanted to prevent that. To make a law as Bush has, with wording that flies directly in the face of law as set forth in the Constitution would require an amendment and the agreement of three fourths of the states Or a Constitutional Convention. It cannot be altered by fiat.

As for the 40 cases that were denied standing in court, my understanding is that because all the data is "classified" and cannot be used in court, then they have no case. Neat, huh? Also, until this, and dozens of other "laws" passed during this Administration are struck down as Unconstitutional, then plaintiffs are stuck in a catch 22 situation.

If, as someone pointed out earlier, Obama taught Constitutional Law at Harvard, then we can hope that he will see this, and bring the suit himself on behalf of the American People he is supposed to represent! Then we can try those S O B "s for Treason as well as crimes against Humanity!!!!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:32 PM on 06/21/2008
- Rule Of Law I'm a Fan of Rule Of Law 158 fans permalink

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This is very clear. The Founders understood the weakness of man. They knew that someday, someone would try to rig the system for their allies, and they wanted to prevent that. To make a law as Bush has, with wording that flies directly in the face of law as set forth in the Constitution would require an amendment and the agreement of three fourths of the states Or a Constitutional Convention. It cannot be altered by Executive or Legislative fiat.

As for the 40 case, my understanding is that because all the data is "classified" and cannot be used in court, then they have no case. Neat, huh? Also, until this, and dozens of other "laws" passed during this Administration are struck down as Unconstitutional, then plaintiffs are stuck in a catch 22 situation.

If, as someone pointed out earlier, Obama taught Constitutional Law at Harvard, then we can hope that he will see this, and bring the suit himself on behalf of the American People he is supposed to represent! Then we can try those S O B "s for Treason as well as crimes against Humanity!!!!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:09 PM on 06/21/2008
- blueshield I'm a Fan of blueshield 86 fans permalink

I've decided the only way we can change this is to demand proof we actually need a "war on terror". We need to soberly examine the notion that the 9/11 attacks, and several thousand extremists like al Qaeda, actually prove an imminent, mortal threat to our country. Where's the proof of that? Seriously.

I'm not saying terrorists don't exist. We SHOULD protect ourselves and bring them to justice. But some of us remember terrorism from the 70's: skyjackings, murders, hostage takings, the Munich Olympics and the Embassy in Iran. No one at that time claimed we should surrender our civil liberties, go to war, and turn the country into one huge gated community.

What's so different now? Are today's terrorists a bigger threat than, say, our homegrown street gangs? Who kills more Americans each year? EVERY YEAR more than 50,000 Americans die, and millions more are maimed, by car accidents - does that mean we need a war on cars? Or spying devices on every dashboard?

It's time we demand an explanation on terrorism, so that we can make decisions about the real cost of protection. It's time we demanded our leadership prove whether or not we're all just surrendering to ghosts.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:04 PM on 06/21/2008

This travesty's gonna wrap up next week (as Benedict Pelosi "predicted" more than a week ago) so all of these corrupt corporate shills can get home in time for their Fourth of July BBQs, using the Constitution as kindling.
Don't know about ya'll, but I'm not giving one more dime to the DNC or Obama, for that matter. At this point, all of my contributons are going to ActBlue, the ACLU and Iraqi refugees. And if I have any even one dime left, to Cindy Sheehan's campaign against Pelosi, regardless of how unrealistic that may be.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:17 PM on 06/21/2008
- pmorlan I'm a Fan of pmorlan 5 fans permalink

I read the below comment on the emptywheel blog and loved it so much that I want to share it with the people at HuffPo. It is a comment about Obama choosing to back the FISA bill where whoever is president can illegally spy on Americans. All of you who are fans of the Lord of the Rings will understand this immediately.

"Having designated himself a Ring Bearer, Obama has done the impossible and reached the summit of Mt. Doom. Like many before him, he faltered. He chose not to toss the One Ring back into the fire. He’s sure that he’s the one who can use its powers for good. The Ring, and Mr. Cheney, are leering at his hubris." - earlofhuntingdon

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:48 AM on 06/21/2008
- marika I'm a Fan of marika 18 fans permalink

This seems to be the instauration of a two level justice system. One for "ordinary citizens", and another for those rich enough to buy themselves a member of Congress and those powerful enough to declare themselves are above the law.

It is the negation of the rule of law.blessed by a venal congress.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:39 AM on 06/21/2008

Spygate the gift that keeps on giving.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:31 AM on 06/21/2008
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No question about it, a "Revolution" is in order.

Unfortunately the Government now has a private army of 200,000 soldiers who will kill anyone for cash.

What exactly did the Bush Administration and it's Republican Congressmen (henchmen) do or say to the Democrats to make them roll over and pee their pants?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:26 AM on 06/21/2008

What seems to be lost in all of this is that when Bush circumvented the Constitution and formed his own group to wiretap people, he violated his oath of office by not using the FISA court which was legislated into law in 1978. This was one of the best laws ever enacted by the Congress and signed into law by a President. As most of you know, it allowed a President to wiretap whoever and had 72 hours to inform the FISA court, which then ruled on whether the wiretapping was legal or not. When it was first discovered that Bush didn't follow the law, it was reported that over 13,000 cases of wiretapping were authorized by Presidents since Jimmy Carter and only 4 were rejected.

All of this malarkey about changes in technology is hogwash. A wiretap is a wiretap, regardless of what kind of equipment is used.

The bottom line of all of this is that too many asses are protected in order to get a compromise, while in the process it violates the 4th Amentment of the Constitution which guarantees us all against reasonable search and seizure without a warrant. It is spelled out loud and clear but the idiots in Washington can't seem to see the forest from the trees. The Patriot Act also violated the Constitution, in part because it allows authorities to literally break into a home without a warrant, based on suspicion.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:25 AM on 06/21/2008
- Harrier I'm a Fan of Harrier 12 fans permalink

Just pushing the national security agenda. I cannot see any difference between GW Bush and Democrats

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:20 AM on 06/21/2008
- manicore I'm a Fan of manicore 9 fans permalink
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Every Democrat that voted for the FISA. Capitulation Bill should be thrown out of office.
Let's start Pelosi and Hoyer first

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:49 AM on 06/22/2008

Spygate...the best tool Nancy Pelosi has in erasing the Dems own misdeeds and prosecuting the Iraq war profiteers.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:20 AM on 06/21/2008
- mellene I'm a Fan of mellene 10 fans permalink

This totally disgusts me. They'll pay for this in November.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:09 AM on 06/21/2008
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