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PAMELA HESS | June 20, 2008 08:24 PM EST | AP

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WASHINGTON — The House on Friday easily approved a compromise bill setting new electronic surveillance rules that effectively shield telecommunications companies from lawsuits arising from the government's terrorism-era warrantless eavesdropping on phone and computer lines in this country.

The bill, which was passed on a 293-129 vote, does more than just protect the telecoms. The update to the 30-year-old Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act is an attempt to balance privacy rights with the government's responsibility to protect the country against attack, taking into account changes in telecommunications technologies.

"This bill, though imperfect, protects both," said Rep. Jane Harman, D-Calif., and a former member of the House intelligence committee.

President Bush praised the bill Friday. "It will help our intelligence professionals learn enemies' plans for new attacks," he said in a statement before television cameras a few hours before the vote.

The House's passage of the FISA Amendment bill marks the beginning of the end to a monthslong standoff between Democrats and Republicans about the rules for government wiretapping inside the United States. The Senate was expected to pass the bill with a large margin, perhaps as soon as next week, before Congress takes a break during the week of the Fourth of July.

The government eavesdropped on American phone and computer lines for almost six years after the Sept. 11 attacks without permission from the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court, the special panel established for that purpose under the 1978 law. Some 40 lawsuits have been filed against the telecommunications companies by groups and individuals who think the Bush administration illegally monitored their phone calls or e-mails.

The White House had threatened to veto any surveillance bill that did not also shield the companies.

The compromise bill directs a federal district court to review certifications from the attorney general saying the telecommunications companies received presidential orders telling them wiretaps were needed to detect or prevent a terrorist attack. If the paperwork were deemed in order, the judge would dismiss the lawsuit.

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It would also require the inspectors general of the Justice Department, Pentagon and intelligence agencies to investigate the wiretapping program, with a report due in a year.

Critics of the bill say dismissal is a foregone conclusion.

"These provisions turn the judiciary into the administration's rubber stamp," said Rep. Zoe Lofgren, D-Calif. She opposes the bill.

Opponents of immunity believe civil lawsuits are the only way the full extent of the wiretapping program will ever be revealed.

Key senators voiced strong opposition to the compromise, although they're unlikely to have the votes to either defeat or filibuster the bill. Sen. Arlen Specter of Pennsylvania, the top Republican on the Senate Judiciary Committee, condemned the immunity deal. He said that nothing in the new bill would prevent the government from once again wiretapping domestic phone and computer lines without court permission.

Specter said the problem is constitutional: The White House may still assert that the president's Article II powers as commander in chief supersede statutes that would limit him actions.

"Only the courts can decide that issue and this proposal dodges it," Specter said.

Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi of California disputed that, saying FISA would from now on be the authority for the government to conduct electronic surveillance.

"There is no inherent authority of the president to do whatever he wants. This is a democracy, not a monarchy," she said.

Sen. Barack Obama, the Democratic candidate for president, said in a statement that the compromise accepted by the House was an improvement over the bill he had opposed last year.

"Under this compromise legislation, an important tool in the fight against terrorism will continue, but the president's illegal program of warrantless surveillance will be over," Obama said. "It is not all that I would want. But given the legitimate threats we face, providing effective intelligence collection tools with appropriate safeguards is too important to delay."

Some civil liberties and privacy groups are also opposing the bill. They object not only to the immunity provision but to what they consider the weakening of the FISA court's oversight of government eavesdropping. For example, the government can initiate a wiretap without court permission if "important intelligence" would otherwise be lost. It has a week to file the request for approval with the court, and the court has 30 days to act on it. But if the court objects to how the government is carrying out the wiretap, it could be weeks before those methods are changed or stopped.

"What we have here is the opportunity for the government to commit mass untargeted surveillance," said Texas Democratic Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee.

Opponents also contend the privacy of Americans who communicate with people overseas is not adequately protected. The bill would allow the government to tap the foreigner's calls without court approval, and critics contend that innocent American conversations can be swept up in that.

The Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act Amendment bill also would:

_Require FISA court permission to wiretap Americans who are overseas.

_Prohibit targeting a foreigner to secretly eavesdrop, without court approval, on an American's calls or e-mails.

_Require the government to protect American information or conversations that are collected when in communications with targeted foreigners.

_Allow the FISA court 30 days to review existing but expiring surveillance orders before renewing them.

_Allow eavesdropping in emergencies without court approval, provided the government files required papers within a week.

_Prohibits the president from superseding surveillance rules in the future.

WASHINGTON — The House on Friday easily approved a compromise bill setting new electronic surveillance rules that effectively shield telecommunications companies from lawsuits arising from the g...
WASHINGTON — The House on Friday easily approved a compromise bill setting new electronic surveillance rules that effectively shield telecommunications companies from lawsuits arising from the g...
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For those who would like to write to Speaker Pelosi about today's vote in the House,

her email address is: AmericanVo­ices@mail.­house.gov

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:01 PM on 06/20/2008

I already E-mailed the #$%ch and told her to have a good day....., if you know what I mean.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:06 PM on 06/20/2008
- Lion24 I'm a Fan of Lion24 107 fans permalink
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Speak-er Pel-osi: Conference call ready - Line 1: Mr. Put-in, Mr. Cas-tro, Mr. Mush-arraf, Ki-ng S a u d eager to give messages of congratulations for your strong efforts to make your country exactly like their countries.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:09 PM on 06/20/2008
- ebanks84 I'm a Fan of ebanks84 94 fans permalink

I wouldn't waste my time on that hard-headed woman.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:21 PM on 06/20/2008
- quintus I'm a Fan of quintus 11 fans permalink

I, too, sent her an email expressing my outrage. I told her that I now highly suspect that she is actually a Republican!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:43 PM on 06/20/2008
- comebackid I'm a Fan of comebackid 6 fans permalink

Donate to Cindy Sheans campaign.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:50 PM on 06/20/2008
- Runruff I'm a Fan of Runruff 2 fans permalink
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Oh, I ment Sheehan.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:09 AM on 06/21/2008
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The fear-o-crats cave in again. It is simply unbelievable how spineless they are. They stand for nothing but their empty rhetoric while the constitution is torn to shreds by this Junta in the White House.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:59 PM on 06/20/2008
- awcbuddy8 I'm a Fan of awcbuddy8 8 fans permalink

Just wondering, what part of the Constitution is exactly being shredded?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:18 PM on 06/20/2008
- kevenseven I'm a Fan of kevenseven 501 fans permalink
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The Fourth Amendment:

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

You fa$istic POS.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:22 PM on 06/20/2008

Man, you must have been taking a looooong nap.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:26 PM on 06/20/2008
- evekendall I'm a Fan of evekendall 125 fans permalink
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The FOURTH Amendment!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:28 PM on 06/20/2008
- leekinny I'm a Fan of leekinny 3 fans permalink
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We all have a solution for the future.

Support Cindy Sheehan for Congress rather than Pelosi.

Put your anger and disgust to work!

http://www.cindyforcongress.org/

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:56 PM on 06/20/2008
- ebanks84 I'm a Fan of ebanks84 94 fans permalink

I would vote for Cindy for sure if I could. I'm so sick of Pelosi that I hope she never wins again.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:20 PM on 06/20/2008
- kevenseven I'm a Fan of kevenseven 501 fans permalink
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Bon chance with that one.

Do you have any idea of Pel osi's approval rating in her district?

I will sprout the wings of an angel and fly over the damned Bahamas before Sheehan beats Pel osi.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:24 PM on 06/20/2008

Respectfully, I'm not sure that's true.

If she continues to temporize with respect to funding and extending the war in Iraq, and if continues to temporize concerning Congressman Kucinich's filing of impeachment articles against President Bush, it is not unlikely that more of the electorate in her district will want to vote for Cindy Sheehan.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:38 AM on 06/21/2008
- quintus I'm a Fan of quintus 11 fans permalink

Pelosi doesn't deserve another term. She's been an abject failure.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:44 PM on 06/20/2008

The enhanced capabilities in this bill include the right for the executive to unilaterally approve spying on Americans for a week without court approval and to give immunity to law breakers, its primary purpose.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:48 PM on 06/20/2008

Wellll ain't that special.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:49 PM on 06/20/2008

so the question may be "who's safer, and safer in what context?" i'm with anybody here wanting to take these "people" on. the time is way past not only to turn the heat on politicians and our government, but corporations as well. whoever is part of this ongoing travesty has got to be made to feel extremely uncomfortable and downright queazy over the thought of walking outside of their doors each and every day. i'm not advocating any sort of violence or physical harm and i never would. but, just as they continue to take away from us, so shall they reap what they sow. downright biblical, ain't it?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:14 PM on 06/20/2008
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We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:44 PM on 06/20/2008
- ebanks84 I'm a Fan of ebanks84 94 fans permalink

Remember, we used to be a Republic. Since our leaders have turned our government into a Democracy, they have the power. If we don't get back to being a Republic where we have the power, they will forever rule.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:26 PM on 06/20/2008

Do any of you even remember when, where and why FISA came into existence?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:42 PM on 06/20/2008

Was it last Tuesday?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:35 PM on 06/20/2008
- syllepsis I'm a Fan of syllepsis 24 fans permalink

Yes, it was in response to another Imperial Presidency's abuses.
It is tragic to see the work of reining in an out of control Executive Branch, systematically undone.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:55 PM on 06/20/2008

LETS GET TOGETHER:

To all Democrats and Republican voters:

Why are we wasting our time, money,and efforts and fighting each other over which of the two criminal parties gets in office. We ( democrats and republicans) are both getting screwed at the pump and the grocery store. We're both losing our jobs and getting layed off. We're both getting screwed at the doctors office, the pharmacy, from over priced housing and rentals and it's our kids that are getting blown up in these wars while the big boys are reaping huge profits and their kids are safe and sound at home. The Clowns in office aren't like you or me, they are millionaire political prostitutes. Don't build your hope on Obama or McCain, they just bent over for Isreal. That includes Pelosi, Reid and all the rest. It's us against them. Let's all get together and get rid of the whole bunch and vote ordinary people like us in office. We have intelligent people among us to go to Washington to represent us instead of representing only the interest of corporations, bankers, oil company's, pharmaceut­icals,etc. Let's restore and protect the Constitution and the bill of rights and get our country back before it's too late.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:41 PM on 06/20/2008
- RnR I'm a Fan of RnR 25 fans permalink

I'll go for that. I donated to ActBlue for Glenn Greenwalds' fighting the traiterous dems and I'll support Cindy Sheehan also.

Check out Glenn Greenwald at Salon.com - they've got an ad going into the Washington Post (I think it is) against Hoyer and will fund challengers campaigns against the sell out traitors who voted for this. Hopefully, everyone has reached the end of their ropes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:08 PM on 06/20/2008

Thanks for the heads up RnR. I'm going to look into that. Yep I've reached the end of my rope. I'm ready for some action.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:16 PM on 06/20/2008

What are you all so upset about? The fact that they returned FISA to what it was after the Nixon Administration or the fact that they let the Telcoms off for past offenses?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:40 PM on 06/20/2008
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Down with Pelosi, Down with Steny Hoyer and down with every money-grubbing congressperson who voted for this affront to the citizens of the United States of America!

- my initial post was a bit stronger in language, but apparently naughty words aren't allowed. Apparently, according to the Huffington Post, naughty words cause an angel to lose its wings :(

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:39 PM on 06/20/2008
- Rule Of Law I'm a Fan of Rule Of Law 146 fans permalink

And let that corporate war-profiteering woman of loose morals, Diane Feinstein, lead them all into whatever Congressional Heck await these soulless monsters?

(better?)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:49 PM on 06/20/2008
- Danny I'm a Fan of Danny 5 fans permalink

The reason the White House was so eager to get this done is that the Telecoms have been spying on us since BEFORE 9/11. So the "protecting you against terrorists" rationale doesn't wash. Not getting immunity would mean airing all this sh*t for all of "the people" to find out. It stinks to high heaven, and I can't understand Pelosi or Obama going along with it. I called them and my congresscritters, did you?

Next week, the Senate. Call your Senators!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:33 PM on 06/20/2008
- RnR I'm a Fan of RnR 25 fans permalink

I understand it. They're complicit - they probably were briefed on it and agreed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:17 PM on 06/20/2008

And Obama is going to turn these crooks around to the straight and narrow?? Right. They have the power and we do not matter to them whatsoever. Very frustrating..

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:25 PM on 06/20/2008

Another stab in the voters' back. Maybe it is true that there is not a dime's worth of difference between the parties.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:23 PM on 06/20/2008

Don't know about ya'll but I'm writing in for a Ron Paul/Nader ticket.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:19 PM on 06/20/2008

Finally coming around:)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:26 PM on 06/20/2008

Are ya'll ready to RRRRRRRRRR­UUUUMMMMMB­LLLLLLLLLE and take our country back? We need to get a plan of action going. Voting is a waste of time. We need to be holding our own town hall meetings and figure out a plan to mobilize to whole country. Democrats and Republicans cause we're both getting screwed by both parties.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:12 PM on 06/20/2008
- Rule Of Law I'm a Fan of Rule Of Law 146 fans permalink

I haven't read all 2,000 plus posts here, but I hve yet to find one that addresses this core issue:

They can pass all the bills they want, but it won't count because the Constitution forbids changing a law after a crime has been committed to protect the criminal.

Article 1 - The Legislative Branch
Section 9 - Limits on Congress

No Bill of Attainder or ex post facto Law shall be passed.

Ex post facto:
ex post facto adj. Formulated, enacted, or operating retroactively. [Med Lat., from what is done afterwards]

Of course ignoring the Constitution is what Bush is best at--But this Vichy-Turn­coat-Colla­borator Congress full of useless lawyers and blood sucking Corporate ticks should know better! If they don't then it is up to us to remind them of their duty, and throw them out.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:10 PM on 06/20/2008

If that's the case -- and since Senator Obama taught Constitutional Law he would KNOW that -- this might be a very shrewd move on his part.
Since that part of the law would be declared UNConstitutional, they passed it this way to get the President to sign it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:52 PM on 06/20/2008
- syllepsis I'm a Fan of syllepsis 24 fans permalink

The relevant point here is that non-criminal (at the time of occurrence) actions can't be criminalized retroactively, so people can be prosecuted using laws cooked up for the purpose. So I think decriminalizing is OK, but not criminalizing. BUT, the plaintiffs in about 40 cases allege they were victimized by illegal wiretapping, and it does not seem to me that they can be 'de-victimized.' But it is going to be difficult for them to probe they were victimized, because the material is classified.
Of course, the gov't can always plead State Secrets. And it is a problem to find standing for these crimes. This line will not work. It must be stopped now, or never. The courts will not clean it up.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:53 PM on 06/20/2008
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