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PAMELA HESS | June 20, 2008 08:24 PM EST | AP

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WASHINGTON — The House on Friday easily approved a compromise bill setting new electronic surveillance rules that effectively shield telecommunications companies from lawsuits arising from the government's terrorism-era warrantless eavesdropping on phone and computer lines in this country.

The bill, which was passed on a 293-129 vote, does more than just protect the telecoms. The update to the 30-year-old Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act is an attempt to balance privacy rights with the government's responsibility to protect the country against attack, taking into account changes in telecommunications technologies.

"This bill, though imperfect, protects both," said Rep. Jane Harman, D-Calif., and a former member of the House intelligence committee.

President Bush praised the bill Friday. "It will help our intelligence professionals learn enemies' plans for new attacks," he said in a statement before television cameras a few hours before the vote.

The House's passage of the FISA Amendment bill marks the beginning of the end to a monthslong standoff between Democrats and Republicans about the rules for government wiretapping inside the United States. The Senate was expected to pass the bill with a large margin, perhaps as soon as next week, before Congress takes a break during the week of the Fourth of July.

The government eavesdropped on American phone and computer lines for almost six years after the Sept. 11 attacks without permission from the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court, the special panel established for that purpose under the 1978 law. Some 40 lawsuits have been filed against the telecommunications companies by groups and individuals who think the Bush administration illegally monitored their phone calls or e-mails.

The White House had threatened to veto any surveillance bill that did not also shield the companies.

The compromise bill directs a federal district court to review certifications from the attorney general saying the telecommunications companies received presidential orders telling them wiretaps were needed to detect or prevent a terrorist attack. If the paperwork were deemed in order, the judge would dismiss the lawsuit.

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It would also require the inspectors general of the Justice Department, Pentagon and intelligence agencies to investigate the wiretapping program, with a report due in a year.

Critics of the bill say dismissal is a foregone conclusion.

"These provisions turn the judiciary into the administration's rubber stamp," said Rep. Zoe Lofgren, D-Calif. She opposes the bill.

Opponents of immunity believe civil lawsuits are the only way the full extent of the wiretapping program will ever be revealed.

Key senators voiced strong opposition to the compromise, although they're unlikely to have the votes to either defeat or filibuster the bill. Sen. Arlen Specter of Pennsylvania, the top Republican on the Senate Judiciary Committee, condemned the immunity deal. He said that nothing in the new bill would prevent the government from once again wiretapping domestic phone and computer lines without court permission.

Specter said the problem is constitutional: The White House may still assert that the president's Article II powers as commander in chief supersede statutes that would limit him actions.

"Only the courts can decide that issue and this proposal dodges it," Specter said.

Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi of California disputed that, saying FISA would from now on be the authority for the government to conduct electronic surveillance.

"There is no inherent authority of the president to do whatever he wants. This is a democracy, not a monarchy," she said.

Sen. Barack Obama, the Democratic candidate for president, said in a statement that the compromise accepted by the House was an improvement over the bill he had opposed last year.

"Under this compromise legislation, an important tool in the fight against terrorism will continue, but the president's illegal program of warrantless surveillance will be over," Obama said. "It is not all that I would want. But given the legitimate threats we face, providing effective intelligence collection tools with appropriate safeguards is too important to delay."

Some civil liberties and privacy groups are also opposing the bill. They object not only to the immunity provision but to what they consider the weakening of the FISA court's oversight of government eavesdropping. For example, the government can initiate a wiretap without court permission if "important intelligence" would otherwise be lost. It has a week to file the request for approval with the court, and the court has 30 days to act on it. But if the court objects to how the government is carrying out the wiretap, it could be weeks before those methods are changed or stopped.

"What we have here is the opportunity for the government to commit mass untargeted surveillance," said Texas Democratic Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee.

Opponents also contend the privacy of Americans who communicate with people overseas is not adequately protected. The bill would allow the government to tap the foreigner's calls without court approval, and critics contend that innocent American conversations can be swept up in that.

The Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act Amendment bill also would:

_Require FISA court permission to wiretap Americans who are overseas.

_Prohibit targeting a foreigner to secretly eavesdrop, without court approval, on an American's calls or e-mails.

_Require the government to protect American information or conversations that are collected when in communications with targeted foreigners.

_Allow the FISA court 30 days to review existing but expiring surveillance orders before renewing them.

_Allow eavesdropping in emergencies without court approval, provided the government files required papers within a week.

_Prohibits the president from superseding surveillance rules in the future.

WASHINGTON — The House on Friday easily approved a compromise bill setting new electronic surveillance rules that effectively shield telecommunications companies from lawsuits arising from the g...
WASHINGTON — The House on Friday easily approved a compromise bill setting new electronic surveillance rules that effectively shield telecommunications companies from lawsuits arising from the g...
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In regards to the democrat traitors that voted for this atrocity, to paraphrase Ben Afleck after they passed additional funding for the Iraq war last year, "these f**king people".

Message to Nancy Pelosi's constituents: It is time to get rid of her. When it comes to opposing the most criminal and un-american president in our nation's history, she has been a complete and miserable failure. I thought the last speaker was rotten, but at least he had an excuse to support the scumbag-in-chief.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:35 PM on 06/20/2008
- Dianekkdi I'm a Fan of Dianekkdi 12 fans permalink
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ditto.

Both Ben Afleck's words and the poster's words.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:01 PM on 06/20/2008
- NewRiver I'm a Fan of NewRiver 21 fans permalink
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Oh but you made history with San Fran Nan and she was coming in to "drain the swamp". Yet another duping of the liberal electorate by their elected liberal officials.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:16 PM on 06/20/2008
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These fascists also just approved the largest (war-illegal invasion and occupation) Bush spending bill ever. There is no opposition to this nightmare coming from the Democrats.

Even Obama voted for the FISA bill trashing our 4th amendment rights and siding with the criminal Bush regime. He just lost my support ... WTF - I can't take it any more.

We are so sold out even by the Democrats and we just keep letting them do this to us. Pelosi makes me sick to my stomach. She is nothing more than an accomplice to Bush's torture and spying .... that's why she won't lead because like all of them she is protecting herself.

THese are fowl loathsome people representing us. What they hell are we supposed to do... The Democrats know full well the people did not support this FISA bill and especially don't support this occupation ... and they blow us off every time..

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:29 PM on 06/20/2008
- evekendall I'm a Fan of evekendall 155 fans permalink
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Dennis Kucinich and 127 other Democrats are heroes.

Nancy Pelosi and the others are total sell-outs to the Constitution. I don't know how she and the others manage to call themselves Democrats.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:28 PM on 06/20/2008

I agree, rest must be thrown out for succumbing to terrorists by gutting our civil liberties. Instead cleaning up cess pool of terror being bred in Pakistan and mid-east they are punishing Americans. Pelosi and Denny Voyuer WORST PERSONS IN THE WORLD

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:35 PM on 06/20/2008

Kucinich looks better every day.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:25 PM on 06/20/2008
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Disgusting. Bye-bye 4th ammendement. let me give you a sample of things to come.

You: Can you tell me why you pulled me over officer
Cop: no, don't have to
You: What do you mean? This is amerika!
Cop: Shut out and get out of your car! Do you have drugs?
You: But I'm a chrisitian
Cop: Oh, did you vote for the Republicans?
you: Well, isn't that my business?
Cop: No actually, but I have it here in my computer
you: What do you mean?
Cop: Shut up and get out of the car hipped jesus freak
Cop: what are these pills?
You: There zovax, zenax, vozene and zyclod
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You: Yes so?
Cop: You are under arrest.
You: But I have a card!
Cop: Means nothing
You: can I call someone?
Cop: Maybe in a couple of days. We need to see whatelse you are up to

Vote Nader!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:15 PM on 06/20/2008
- lbrillante I'm a Fan of lbrillante 7 fans permalink

The congress is out of touch with the people. This administration has repeatedly violated our liberties, lied, and broken the law. It is insulting that congress won't take up impeachment but the granting of this immunity adds insult to injury. The democratic leadership is deaf to the will of the people. They are asking us to just shut up and 'take it' once again. I am furious. It is like telling the rapist he can go free because he gave you something else you wanted. How are the american people supposed to feel as the victim of the assault when you let the perpetrator get away without consequences for their crimes against us. I am so absolutely disgusted and disheartened with the democratic leaders in congress. It's as if they felt like wasting all of the hope, energy, and good will that has been building as if they could just take that for granted. Senator Obama is taking a big hit for this move by the democratic leaders. They obviously have overestimated how much s@#t the american people are able to tolerate. This is a huge blow to the hopeful momentum that was building. I am wondering what Senator Obama will do because Senator Reid already stated that there is little hope of removing the immunity provision (I wish he felt sad and ashamed about that). This bill is the wrong thing to do. The democrats in congress keep saying 'we can do better'. Well PROVE IT!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:14 PM on 06/20/2008
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I WILL vote against ANY incumbent in CONgress that voted or votes for immunity, demican or republicrat.

Constitutional Rule of Law applies to ALL equally or it will eventually apply to NONE.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:58 PM on 06/20/2008
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here-here> I suggest as a protest everyone mark obama mail as junk mail

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:35 PM on 06/20/2008
- protagonia I'm a Fan of protagonia 81 fans permalink

Vote for McCain then. Go ahead. He need one more fan these days.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:48 PM on 06/21/2008

No Ariana, you don't have to let people speak their mind but you are compromising the truth.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:57 PM on 06/20/2008

vote

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"bad word" to HP filter

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:56 PM on 06/20/2008

To me as well. Your point?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:12 AM on 06/21/2008

vote

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bad word to HP

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:53 PM on 06/20/2008
- pbfishtaco I'm a Fan of pbfishtaco 12 fans permalink
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The founding fathers would think the British crown had won instead. This is another in a 7 1/2 year-long line of sad days for our nation.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:52 PM on 06/20/2008
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The founders who fought and sacrificed for liberty would be disgusted with us

for letting it slip away while we took our drugs & watched the circus in the box!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:56 PM on 06/20/2008
- GerryS I'm a Fan of GerryS 58 fans permalink
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wow, harsh, but oh so true!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:02 PM on 06/20/2008
- nellie I'm a Fan of nellie 502 fans permalink
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In our own defense, we've had a few stolen elections in the past decade. We're up against a lot of entrenched dishonesty.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:10 PM on 06/20/2008

vote

nader

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:52 PM on 06/20/2008
- truthyguy I'm a Fan of truthyguy 42 fans permalink

Yea, right. Last time someone did that we ended up with Bush - all thanks to Nader.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:55 AM on 06/21/2008

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:51 PM on 06/20/2008

votenader

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:51 PM on 06/20/2008
- nellie I'm a Fan of nellie 502 fans permalink
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no thanks

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:10 PM on 06/20/2008

they only listen to muslims so i'm not too worried.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:48 PM on 06/20/2008
- cultkicker I'm a Fan of cultkicker 7 fans permalink

Corporations own and control America. We are no longer free, we are no longer safe from their tyranny, and we no longer have any legal recourse for their lawlessness and abuse. I am ready for a Second American Revolution, how about you my Compatriots!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:44 PM on 06/20/2008
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you gotta sell all your 401K's, Roth's, IRA's, all stocks, bonds, mutual, funds,
everything you own, but do not DIRECTLY control. Then pay the taxes to be truly free of corporate Amerikkka. You need to grow all of your own food, hunt or fish for protein, cut wood for heat in the winter, have your own water supply-----

I agree, we need big change, and it ain't going to be fun or easy, almost impossible if you live in a city.

Are you ready?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:57 PM on 06/20/2008
- nellie I'm a Fan of nellie 502 fans permalink
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Cut up the credit cards. That's the tough one.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:10 PM on 06/20/2008
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