The New York Times reports that Barack Obama, during a meeting with Democratic governors in Chicago, sat behind a previously unseen and very official-looking seal bearing his name. Featuring an eagle clutching an olive branch, the seal resembles that of the President of the United States. Above the eagle's head is the phrase, "Vero Possumus," which the Times translates as being roughly equivalent to "Yes We Can."
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My take on the new Obama seal deal? Truly silly! And very much the "old" politics. Empty gestures and symbolic manipulation at its best (worst?).
i like the seal...i noticed it as well...i was sure what the translation was, but thanks for the info...now i really like the seal.
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it's working pretty well. when he's in virginia- he shows them the seal. when he's in chicago- he shows them the tattoo; but i don't know precisely where it's located. perhaps WAstateliberal could clarify that...
"Vero Possumus" sayeth Obama, who is now being referred to as The Possum King by the media. Nobody could have made this stuff up. And you thought that GWB was a dork.
Time for you to turn off fox...you sound like you can use every brain cell you have left.
Obama is the king of censorship and propaganda - the arrogance of such a copy of the Presidential seal is astounding!
It is funny Obama mentions Imus in an interview. When Obama got Imus fired is when I changed my support from him to Hillary. Check out the interview David Gregory did with Obama on the Capital steps where he parrots the exact same words Al Sharpton wanted him to say - that he would not go on the Imus show again. Those words are what got Imus fired.
He aspired to the bully pulpit. The pulpit of The Trinity Church was not big enough for him. He wanted the biggest bully pulpit of all. He wanted the bully pulpit of the Presidency. Rev Obama will heal our souls. He is the king of censorship and propaganda.
He is a cartoon character of the skinney mad dictator.
I want Imus back!
Excuse me? The guy who graduated from Harvard law with great distinction does not need anyone to tell him that Imus was a bigot.
Imus was using language from hip-hop artists, African-American street talk that habitually degrades women. Have you seen the T-shirts with the slogan, "Bros, not Hos." That's the kind of sexism and misogyny the country needs to confront and overcome. It all came to the surface in the Democratic primary in the repeated smears of Hillary Clinton, coming mostly from the far left (!!).
You lost me at switching from Barack to Hillary. No SANE person does that, so the rest of your......
Word of advice: Stop claiming to have supported Barack when it is abundantly clear you never did. We're not stupid here, you might want to try the folks over at PUMA.
Kitsch.
Childish and pathetic. This will last for a day and then Obama will blame his staff.
mccain probably saw it and thought the election had happened already.
i can't yet take at face value the reports that it's effected miracle cures for pilgrims . at least not without obama's actual presence. nor am i sure if it's illuminati
THIS APPEARS TO BE ILLEGAL !!!!!
OBAMA should not do this!!! I found this posted on another site.
"US Code: Title 18,713:
§ 713. Use of likenesses of the great seal of the United States, the seals of the President and Vice President, the seal of the United States Senate, the seal of the United States House of Representatives, and the seal of the United States Congress
(a) Whoever knowingly displays any printed or other likeness of the great seal of the United States, or of the seals of the President or the Vice President of the United States, or the seal of the United States Senate, or the seal of the United States House of Representatives, or the seal of the United States Congress, or any facsimile thereof, in, or in connection with, any advertisement, poster, circular, book, pamphlet, or other publication, public meeting, play, motion picture, telecast, or other production, or on any building, monument, or stationery, for the purpose of conveying, or in a manner reasonably calculated to convey, a false impression of sponsorship or approval by the Government of the United States or by any department, agency, or instrumentality thereof, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than six months, or both. "
Actually it is not. when the law is referring to a likeness it is referring to use of the actual seal not one that looks similar. The legal distinction is this: likeness implies a closer correspondence than similarity which often implies that things are merely somewhat alike
In order to be illegal the seal would need to state resemblance instead of likeness. resemblance implies similarity chiefly in appearance or external qualities
It seems that you know nothing of the law. Law is about words and their meanings. Llikeness implies a closer correspondence than similarity which often implies that things are merely somewhat alike. Resemblance implies similarity chiefly in appearance or external qualities. Do you see the difference?
And now, having parsed all the legalisms, the Great Seal of Obama has passed the test of his supporters and found to be good. Ludicrous but still good. Happy trails in the GE.
Not the test of supporter but the test of the law. I will be the first to admit that it is not a good idea but illegal it is not.
it certainly possible that he tried to download the presidential seal as a .gif and decided to go with what he got.
Now that this Constitutional Law professor posing as the exponent of “Change You Can Believe In” finally emerged from the shadows to embrace the utterly shameful and despicable actions of his corrupt party, and joined the bipartisan orgy in (again) flinging down the Constitution and dancing upon it by endorsing the abominable FISA legislation-- immunity for telecoms, even GREATER unchecked and sweeping surveillance powers by the Executive Branch-- I suggest that the slogan in that splendid new pseudo-presidential seal be changed to "Ludo Possumus"-- Playing Possum.
Wait till the legislation gets to the senate, moron. Obama is a senator after all. That's why he's commonly referred to as Senator Obama. He's already added his caveat -- now Bush will threaten a veto. It may yet prove to be a wise strategic move.
As if it wasn't already evident enough, Obama is smarter than you are. Obviously. Take a breath, you jingoistic hysteric.
What I most appreciate is the unfailing courtesy and civility of your response. It reinforces the conviction that you are indeed a person of considerable intelligence, character, and acumen.
In fact, you're just the sort of person I've been looking for to invest in my perpetual-motion machine! By all means, let me know if you're interested.
With all infinitesimal due respect, I think the jury's still out on which of us is the hysteric. And you might want to refresh your understanding of the term "jingo".
It would be presumptuous to further address your keen political insights, or to ponder whether valuing "strategy" to the exclusion of "principle" has proven as salutary and successful an approach as your thoughtful response implies. I confess I've had my doubts.
Thanks for sharing!
Whoever, except as authorized under regulations promulgated by the President and published in the Federal Register, knowingly manufactures, reproduces, sells, or purchases for resale, either separately or appended to any article manufactured or sold, any likeness of the seals of the President or Vice President, or any substantial part thereof, except for manufacture or sale of the article for the official use of the Government of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than six months, or both.
http://usc
Do you realize how silly you sound? I certainly wish you had done this sort of research and posting when bushy and the rest of the neander-cons were selling us all the likeness of a 'necessary' war. Get a grip...
Hey look - don't try to change the subject here.
Obama is posing in front of a seal that is highly reminiscent of the Presidential seal in order to help him cross the "Commander-in-Chief threshold" in the eyes of voters. A great idea. Unfortunately - it's against the law.
Hey look - don't try to change the subject here. Obama is posing in front of a seal that bears the "likeness of the seal of the President" in order to cross the "Commander
Attempt #3
I'd reply to your comments - except it seems that my comments critical of Obama aren't approved..
You left out: "reasonably calculated to convey, a false impression of sponsorship or approval by the Government of the United States or by any department
Now while I admit that there are still 28% of the American public that believe the current president is doing a good job, I think Obama's podium seal passes the test.
The law uses the word "reasonable" to apply to the common average person, and fortunately the common average person is not dumb enough to think that this seal has been approved by the government while Obama is running for the office.
Since it is not an actual Government seal there is no way that a reasonable person can acquireany impression of sponsorship or approval by the Government of the United States or by any department
I wonder if Obama's people knew that by replicating the Presidential seal for political purposes - they were breaking the law...
Whoever, except as authorized under regulations promulgated by the President and published in the Federal Register, knowingly manufactures, reproduces, sells, or purchases for resale, either separately or appended to any article manufactured or sold, any likeness of the seals of the President or Vice President, or any substantial part thereof, except for manufacture or sale of the article for the official use of the Government of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than six months, or both.
http://usc
It hasn't been "reproduced," people -- it's been adapted and altered. Bad idea, yes. Illegal? I don't think so.
a truly idiotic bunch of hooey.....
Why not Akuna Matada instead of Very Possumus?
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Luv the Seal! McBush is just too pissed off that his 2 brain cells couldn't come up with this seal first... The GOP is so used to dems being weak they don't know what to do about Obama.
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First Posted: 06-20-08 08:58 PM | Updated: 06-28-08 05:12 AM