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BETH FOUHY | June 20, 2008 02:52 PM EST | AP


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In this July 31, 2001 file photo, former President Jimmy Carter is seen in a Rose Garden of the White House in Washington. (AP Photo/J. Scott Applewhite, File)

NEW YORK — Jimmy Carter has been among the country's most active retired presidents, but even the peripatetic Georgian might not have anticipated having his name bandied about in a presidential campaign 28 years after leaving the White House.

Sen. John McCain, who will carry the Republican presidential flag in this fall's campaign, has repeatedly invoked the former president's name on the campaign trail, and with it the less-than-stellar memories of his White House years. Some high-profile allies, including Texas Gov. Rick Perry and former GOP presidential contender Mitt Romney, have done so as well.

The goal: linking Barack Obama to Carter, another Democratic newcomer elected on the promise of hope and change but whose presidency was marred by economic turmoil, high energy costs and a foreign policy widely derided as weak.

More subtly, McCain and other Republicans have criticized Carter for his criticism of Israel and meeting with Hamas leaders. This line has allowed the GOP to question Obama's support for Israel as he has struggled to win over some Jewish voters and donors, unnerved by the anti-Semitic views expressed by his former pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright. The Illinois senator has disavowed Wright's remarks.

Welcome back Carter.

Last week, McCain made the Carter comparison to push back on Obama's oft-stated contention that electing the Arizona senator would be tantamount to another four years for the unpopular President Bush.

"Senator Obama says that I'm running for Bush's third term," McCain said. "It seems to me he's running for Jimmy Carter's second."

McCain made the same claim about his Democratic rival at a fundraiser Wednesday.

"When I look at him dusting off the old, failed policies of the 1960s and 1970s, I'm beginning to think if he would be elected it'd be a second Jimmy Carter term," McCain told a group of donors in Chicago.

McCain's comparisons go beyond names.

McCain cited Carter in criticizing Obama's support for a windfall profits tax on oil companies, saying it would limit oil exploration. Carter signed into law a similar proposal during the energy crisis that helped cripple his presidency.

"If the plan sounds familiar, it's because that was President Jimmy Carter's big idea too _ and a lot of good it did us," McCain said in an energy policy speech Tuesday.

McCain kept up the drumbeat Wednesday, proposing the construction of 45 new nuclear reactors and slamming a decision by Carter not to pursue fuel reprocessing technology.

The Carter comparison may offer some fertile ground for McCain, a 22-year Senate veteran who at 71 is trying to convince voters that the 46-year-old Obama is too inexperienced to serve as commander in chief or be a responsible steward of the economy.

Still, it's not a perfect strategy.

While Carter's political legacy may roil older, conservative voters, few under 40 have any memory of his presidency. To them and to many others, Carter is better known for his work on Habitat for Humanity and as a global humanitarian whose endeavors brought him the Nobel Peace Prize in 2002.

Merle Black, a political scientist at Emory University, said the Carter comparison would do almost nothing to help McCain attract young voters from Obama.

"For younger voters, there isn't any clear image of Jimmy Carter at all except for his international work," Black said. "The better way would be for McCain to talk to them about problems facing the country and what he'd do about them, rather than bringing up Jimmy Carter."

A former Georgia governor, Carter defeated incumbent Republican Gerald Ford in 1976. He served just one term, losing in a landslide to Republican Ronald Reagan in 1980.

During his presidency Carter struggled with an energy crisis that contributed to high inflation. He also faced major foreign policy challenges including the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan and the Iranian hostage crisis in which 52 Americans were detained by Islamic students at the U.S. embassy for more than a year.

When Carter left office, the inflation rate hovered at about 12 percent. The unemployment rate was 7.7 percent and much higher in some industrial areas.

McCain can't make the same comparison to the last Democratic president, Bill Clinton, who was governor of Arkansas and just 44 when elected president in 1992. Even though a sex scandal led to Clinton's impeachment in 1998, many voters remember his two terms in office as a time of peace and economic stability.

Jody Powell, who served as Carter's White House press secretary, noted that Carter had made serious proposals as president to develop alternative energies and clean coal technology but they languished in Congress after he left office.

"John McCain knows this, but he has a real problem with his base. And I'm sure attacking Jimmy Carter resonates well with the old, extreme right wing of the Republican base," Powell said.

Carter has angered many Jewish voters after he wrote a best-selling book in 2006 comparing Israel's treatment of Palestinians to the South African system of apartheid. And in April, Carter met with leaders of the Islamic terrorist group Hamas during a Middle East peace mission, drawing a rebuke from Israeli officials.

Obama criticized Carter's decision to meet with the group after McCain pressed him to do so.

"Anything connected to Jimmy Carter gives Jewish voters the heebie jeebies," said Ari Fleischer, a former White House spokesman under President Bush and a board member of the Republican Jewish Coalition. "He's a frightening lightning rod, and Barack Obama has the potential to absorb a lot of that lightning."

An Obama campaign official brushed off McCain's attempts to link the two Democrats.

"Barack Obama is the candidate who offers real change from the past eight years, not someone who's been practicing Washington-style politics _ as evidenced by this latest attempt at distraction _ since the Carter Administration," spokesman Hari Sevugan said.

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EDITOR'S NOTE: Beth Fouhy covers presidential politics for The Associated Press.

 
 

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- lizr See Profile I'm a Fan of lizr permalink

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/22/opinion/22kristof.html?em&ex=1214366400&en=98debe5ec42e29d0&ei=5087%0A

there is an excellent article on the Is ra elis and the Pal estin ians by Kristof of the NYT...

THe elephant in the room is consistently AI P AC and the Israeli Hawks who will do ANYTHING to have war and more war because they have identified with the aggressor and become the villain they fought in the past.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:18 AM on 06/23/2008
- Arguman See Profile I'm a Fan of Arguman permalink

"The goal: linking Barack Obama to Carter, another Democratic newcomer elected on the promise of hope and change but whose presidency was marred by economic turmoil, high energy costs and a foreign policy widely derided as weak."

Take out Barack, Carter, Democratic, and hope from that sentence, and it sounds a LOT like Bush, too! :D

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:00 PM on 06/22/2008
- dstanley See Profile I'm a Fan of dstanley permalink

The real problem here is the continued belief that money to pay for wars comes from some fantasy wonderland, instead of out of the economy. The economy is crap during a war and for fives years after it, which you can see after WWII, Vietnam and now the Iraq War if you look at the Dow. This is the real problem that sunk Carter, and Truman before him, who was considered a screw-up back in his day, even though he's worshipped now. As long as people think the President controls the economy, and can fix it with a snap of his fingers, politicians will be afraid to stop wars, because the five years it takes the economy to recover from a war is longer than the presidential term. This is the real way that Obama is like Carter, he's going to be stuck with the economic aftermath of a war he didn't start.

Oh, and the helicopter rescue of the hostages during Carter's term was commanded by Oliver North. Funny how a screw-up can get a cushy job in the next administration, isn't it?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:43 PM on 06/22/2008
- lizr See Profile I'm a Fan of lizr permalink

Wait- the BOTCHED helicopter rescue was by Ollie North?

Think that botch was accidentally on purpose, or what??????

IF that is true somebody needs to write a book about it!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:24 AM on 06/23/2008
- MagisterLudi See Profile I'm a Fan of MagisterLudi permalink

OBama? two words: presidential seal.... 'nough said.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:47 PM on 06/22/2008
- indc See Profile I'm a Fan of indc permalink

Carter was unlucky and made some bad decisions which immediate but transient impacts... he also made some excellent decisions which were reversed by Reagan who restructured the economic and social relationships in this country and abroad to greatly favor the very wealthy and corporate interests... it is a farce and a deception to consider Reagan a man of the people unless the people are limited to the upper 1% or so....

If we had followed Carters lead, we would be completely or nearly so energy independent long ago, which means that Dick Cheney would be a much poor man or he would have had to find another way to bilk the US taxpayer to fund his friends expanding lifestyles and his own... more importantly this means no war on Iraq, and perhaps not even the first war with Iraq. It would have meant universal health coverage long ago, better paying jobs, more employment, etc... it would have meant a safer world and probably no 9-11 and no Bush 2 for sure.

Carter was a hard luck president, but he was leading this country in the right directions economically and socially.

Obama is more like Robert Kennedy than Carter and he will lead this country in economic and social directions which will benefit the vast majority of Americans and calm the international tension that Bush-Cheney have promoted to loot the US treasury.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:16 AM on 06/22/2008
- lizr See Profile I'm a Fan of lizr permalink

If Carter had not been so thwarted by the MSM doing the Reps dirty work for them, we'd be energy independent right now and we would not be in Iraq.

Remember when he put Solar Panels on the roof of the white house?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:21 AM on 06/23/2008
- coollbreezz See Profile I'm a Fan of coollbreezz permalink

Carter was a victim of the GOP and Iran hostage conspiracy. The GOP cut a deal to delay the release of the hostage until after Reagan was elected. The GOP conspirators should be tried for treason. Instead they are making President Carter a villain. Obama should take it as a badge of honor to be compare to Carter. There has been few presidents with the moral compass of President Carter. The GOP are the real villains.
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9D0CE5D6123BF931A15751C1A967958260
http://joeland7.wordpress.com/2008/06/08/beware

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:10 AM on 06/22/2008
- Intelligentia See Profile I'm a Fan of Intelligentia permalink

I will take 1 million Jimmy Carters as Presdient than 1 George Bush. As far as the Jews are concerned, the Jews who are afraid of Obama are the ones who are using Israel for their political and financial goals. These people do not care about Judaism. The real Jews who care about Israel and the Jewish people are not afraid of Obama. The Jews who are against Obama are like the so-called Black leaders who do not care about Black people but for their economic and political goals. These Blacks will compromise away the rights of Blacks for their own bank accounts. Unfortunately, the opportunistic Jews and Blacks are the most vocal and likely to be connected to the powerful, because they can easily sell their people and souls for economic and political power. Fortunately for America, their manipulations and divisive agenda will not work this time!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:01 AM on 06/22/2008
- el8usa See Profile I'm a Fan of el8usa permalink

Most of you here weren't born when JC was president. Ok, History gave you a perception of what you believe to know about this man today... that image will be associated to the man he was 25 years ago.
His book in 2006 live the Jews cold but sometimes a man's audacity can bring up peoples to the top, specially when no one dare to tell the true taking the risk to become unpopular by saying what has to be said. By the way, I don't believe that a man, who understands a situation between both sides, wants to bypass the will of the one for to favor the desire of the other. It's Nonsense... or you try to paint or portray JC (with disrespect) in order to up plight your own story's or interest. But. Anyway... the JC of 2008 is a former President of a great age helping actively his country for to resolve some problems, someone has to face.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:10 AM on 06/22/2008
- el8usa See Profile I'm a Fan of el8usa permalink


JC is not asking you for anything... He is doing what he believes could help and He well knows that only other will make their mind and decision when appropriate. Even his friends want him to stay outside... but he still believes in his ability to bring change and is capable for anything he can prove to achieve and there is no decent man in this world who wants to live this world without giving the best image of himself ..to the country he loves.

JC has paid enough... he hasn't been on the surface for many years... All He got is his audacity and may be because of that McCan try to associate him to Obama. But if anyone who has a glim of audacity
is an Obama .. then JC is not the only one... nor you either because you dare to compare this Gran father whose children and Gran children all, admire the Peoples on Obama's side.

When will you say something nice about him? ... I suppose as we usually do, the day a good man dies ... !

Peace and Love !

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:10 AM on 06/22/2008
- Phil123 See Profile I'm a Fan of Phil123 permalink

McCain and Bush have much less in common than Obama and Carter. So when Obama tried to tie McCain to Bush, it was fitting that McCain tied Obama to Carter.

This is where the two are very similar. Under Carter, we had double digit inflation and double digit unemployment. The price of gasoline skyrocketed, and eventually had to be rationed. There were actual murders at gas pumps over who could pump gas. He gave his famous "Malaise" speech in which he told us that things would never get better, and would continue to get worse. Iran held American hostages until Reagan was sworn in, and Carter chose to do nothing about it. He bolstered Arafat's position and strength by negotiating with him frequently. It was the only time in our history that we had a "Misery Index." Carter was the most miserable president of my lifetime.

Carter was a true Evangelical who frequently "spoke to god" and who frequently ignored what his advisors told him because he thought that god told him something else. Carter was an absolute milquetoast, and should not have been president. Nixon paved the way for a Carter. Nixon had been corrupt, and Americans wanted "change." They were struck by Carter's charisma and honesty.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:05 AM on 06/22/2008
- jsinclair See Profile I'm a Fan of jsinclair permalink

I don't think anyone ever called Carter "charismatic". He seemed earnest and honest (in contrast with Nixon) and had never held elective office in Washington.

He was also elected THIRTY TWO (32!!!) years ago! Some Democratic concerns are unchanged--trying to have a "non-arrogant" foreign policy, being pro-active about the environment, appointing judges that will support civil rights, reproductive rights, and the Constitution, etc.

These are values common to all Democrats. But McCain is trying to say "Obama will GOVERN like Carter"--which is completely ridiculous.

To say "McCain will be Bush's third term", on the other hand, makes sense because McSame is running SPECIFICALLY IN SUPPORT OF this president's policies.

In other words, completely DIFFERENT than Obama's feelings about Carter (or even about Clinton). Obama is a fresh slate, looking to the future, not holding to the failures of the past (Bush has no "successes").

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:14 PM on 06/22/2008
- Phil123 See Profile I'm a Fan of Phil123 permalink

I couldn't disagree with your statement about McCain and Bush more. While neither is a true conservative, McCain is even much less of one than Bush.

McCain has disagreed with many of Bush's initiatives, and has openly opposed Bush to the consternation of much of the republican base. Examples that come to mind are tax cuts, Guantanamo, and anti-torture legislation.

In fact, McCain's biggest problem will be getting the conservative base out to vote. Many of them despise McCain, and were very upset when he won the nomination. Idealogically, he is not at all like Bush. He is aligned with Bush in his approach to the war on terror, but not much else.

Idealogically, Obama is quite similar to Carter.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:00 PM on 06/22/2008
- MagisterLudi See Profile I'm a Fan of MagisterLudi permalink

Carter was internatonal politics ignoramus --his failures are innumerable ---Panama, Iran, Afghanistan, the list is long. Only one plus---Camp David.
Reagan damaged the country internally: destroyed labor, unions, middle class, social benefits add to it Irancontra affair war in Central America and arming of Islamic A-stanis and add just plain stupidity of this senile man.....
Everyone else just followed in these two fools' footsteps.
Clinton was, on a balance sheet, the best President of the 20th Century. Bar none.
Obama, so far doesn't deserve to clean Clinton's sandals. Maybe one day.. I doubt it

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:46 PM on 06/22/2008
- Phil123 See Profile I'm a Fan of Phil123 permalink

Part 2...
Carter and Obama share many of the same naive ideas: raise taxes on "the rich" (which always damages the economy and ruduces tax revenue); raises taxes on corporations, and especially on "big oil" (which drives the cost of gasoline up); prevent new drilling, oil refining, and nuclear power (which keeps the price of energy high); capitulate to terrorists (which makes them despise you even more); and negotiate with fascists (which inflates their standing in the world).

But here the similarities end. While Carter was highly prinipled and moral (and this contributed to some of the trouble he caused), Obama hasn't displayed particular evidence of either. In fact if you look at his "friends" and associations, those seem to have been more a product of political expedience than of princpled values. Carter was a nincompoop. Obama is a highly political animal, and is good at it.

From a starting point, Obama has the same apparent bad liberal judgement that Carter did. He probably can't be worse than Carter. The hope is that as a political animal he will adapt and change as he sees his ideas fail (and those ideas always have). As a highly principled Evangelical, Carter was unable to do this.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:04 AM on 06/22/2008
- el8usa See Profile I'm a Fan of el8usa permalink

I'm not sure ... there is HOPE... if I try to convince YOU, I just may let other peoples to help you.

I wish that your philosophy derived into facts and data that have been released by Obama in order to be considered and approved from the Worlds most prominent Experts. But of course you're may be an Expert who knows better than all the others Experts ... and your calculation are based on philosophical association to similarities that could create a new equation of imaginary base on wish smears can be build on with margin of errors.

You've been told that any new starting candidate is naive and you bought that just as they said.
Understand this: No President can be naive when all around the table have a voice to be heard... decision is only made after verification by the committee if a case is studied sub consequently. Let me tell you what smears can do: I have a friend of mine¦ from my childhood. I don"t know where it comes from but suddenly we started call him "the dreamer"

No one took him seriously but Today¦ this Guy is 40 years old and is worthy $135.000.00 /year¦ I can tell you that this guy is laughing at you and to peoples without hope to bring change in their life. So some respect is well deserved and that is what we show back to that guy when we see him.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:08 PM on 06/22/2008
- Phil123 See Profile I'm a Fan of Phil123 permalink

Well said!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:54 PM on 06/22/2008
- StephenJK See Profile I'm a Fan of StephenJK permalink

I really don't see how anyone can honestly argue against your assertions. Well, everything but, the taxing part.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:11 AM on 06/22/2008
- TommyMcCarthy See Profile I'm a Fan of TommyMcCarthy permalink

Jimmy Carter got up this morning with a firm and quiet resolve to make the world a better place, and practical plans to further that goal,...just as he has every morning of his life, and every day of his presidency.
Carter was the first U.S. President I ever heard use the term "Human Rights"as though they were something that mattered,

Jimmy Carter, posited a future in which the United States led the world in the "Second industrial revolutin" ...that of clean, sustainable, RENEWBLE, American energy sources and technologies that would protect our environment, keep us healthy, keep our children safe and make us RICH! See any downside here??

Carter saw the oil companies taking advantage of a general economic slowdown, and instituted the "windfall Profits tax" In order to wrest back some of the ill gotten oil profits and use that as seed money for alternative transportation solution. Sound like a bad idea to you? Trust any Republican to tell you the truth.....about ANYTHING.?

McCain wont get any traction with this comparison, any more than he would comparing Obama to Mandela, or Ghandi.

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:34 AM on 06/22/2008
- Phil123 See Profile I'm a Fan of Phil123 permalink

I agree with you completely. But everything he did ended in failure or disaster.

There is no question that Carter meant well. But his ideology was hopelessly naive. This is why he is arguably a lot like Obama. He also was elected because he offered a promise of "change" on the heels of a corrupt Republican administration. He was also handsome (when younger) and charismatic. Sound familiar?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:58 AM on 06/22/2008
- TankGirlz See Profile I'm a Fan of TankGirlz permalink

I do so get tired of the lies...
http://millercenter.org/academic/americanpresident/carter/essays/biography/4

I suggest you read the entire thing.. I'll just post this..


While Americans had to endure long gas lines during the summer of 1979 and higher prices at the pump -- effects of the Iranian revolution of that same year -- Carter"s program by and large worked. Consumption of foreign oil did go down, from 48 percent when Carter took office to 40 percent in 1980, with a reduction of 1.8 million barrels a day. When Carter left office there were high inventories of oil and a surplus of natural gas, delivered by a more rational distribution system. There was greater oil exploration than before, leading eventually to an oil glut and a drop in prices"which Carter's Department of Energy had not predicted. Between 1980 and 1985, domestic production would increased by almost 1 million barrels a day, while imports of crude oil and petroleum products declined from 8.2 to 4.5 million barrels a day. His goal of reducing U.S. dependency on foreign sources succeeded, at least temporarily.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:52 AM on 06/22/2008
- bodo See Profile I'm a Fan of bodo permalink

The similarities are only slight and relatively far-fetched when it comes to the politics of these two men. But it gets more serious when we consider the unfortunate end of Carter's brief political career. It was not the Republicans who brought him down after only 4 years in office. He was stabbed in the back by his own Democrats. Sound familiar?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:03 AM on 06/22/2008
- meanguy See Profile I'm a Fan of meanguy permalink

carter was done in by his own incompetence. his administration was perceived by friend and foe alike as 'weak-kneed' and 'wishy-washy'. he had not clue at all how to work with the congress, and left a vacuum filled by partisans jockeying for power.
obama's policies would not be much different; the main difference is that carter had executive branch experience as governor of georgia, while obama has none. both offered vague promises of 'change' with nothing more specific than amorphous 'bumper sticker' slogans and focus group-tested sound bites as to HOW these changes would be accomplished. i can see disaster looming under an obama administration

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:41 AM on 06/23/2008
- Phil123 See Profile I'm a Fan of Phil123 permalink

Obama vs. Carter (Part 2) However....

Carter seemed very principled. In fact, he was a true "Evangelical Kook" unlike Bush who is merely a person of faith. Carter would "talk to God" and override what his advisors told him based on those "talks." Carter acted from a strong sense of values.

I see no indication that Obama has strong principles or strong values. Quite the contrary; he seems to be a very political animal (and is very good at it), and if I look at his "friends" and associates, my hunch is that he forms those more for expediency than becuase of "values."

So while Obama might head us into the failed directions of a Carter administration, he might have enough common sense to revise some of his positions when those things cause political backlash. I can't say for sure that Obama will be as bad as Carter, but he shares many traits.

On the other hand, Carter had a goofy redneck brother, and a goofy redneck mother that would show up and do foolish things in the public spotlight. This won't happen with Obama - he threw his goofy white relatives under the bus.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:30 AM on 06/22/2008
- Phil123 See Profile I'm a Fan of Phil123 permalink

While there are clear dis-similarities, Obama and Carter have a lot more in common than McCain and Bush. In fact, McCain's nomination upsets many conservatives. Therefore, when Obama tries to tie McCain to Bush, it is very apt that Obama be tied to Carter.

Carter believed in capitulation. He believed in negotiation with fascist dictators. He had many of the same economic policy ideas that Obama seemed to have; policies that created double-digit inflation and double digit unemployment. We even had a gasoline shortage with occasional shootouts at has stations over rationed gas. Iran was making a mockery out of the Carter administration. We even had a "Misery Index." Carter gave his famaous "malaise" speech, informing us that things could only get worse. A complete failure as a president - the worst in my lifetime.

Obama espouses many of the same ideas as Carter, and I have no doubt that they would lead to the same place. Immediate withdrawl from Iraq (would be interpreted as capitulation); unconditional talks with Ahmedinejad (appeasement - particularly weak after an Iraq withdrawl); raising taxes (will damage the economy and raise unemployment); windfall profit tax on "big oil" (drives up the cost of gasoline); continued ban on drilling, adding new refining and nuclear power (fails to address energy supply, and keeps driving up oil prices). I think Obama would put us in the same place that Carter did because of some very similar (and very flawed) ideas.

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