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Impossible: Finding An Expert Who Says McCain's Energy Plan Provides Short-Term Relief

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June 23, 2008 03:54 PM



Last week, Sen. John McCain reversed his longstanding opposition to offshore drilling. The Arizona Senator and his campaign surrogates framed the move as a much-needed effort to combat energy costs in the wake of record high gas prices - political action to Sen. Barack Obama's inaction.

"Floridians are suffering, and when you're paying over $4 a gallon for gas, you have to wonder whether there might be additional resources that we might be able to utilize to bring that price down," said Florida Gov. Charlie Crist, who also changed his stance on the policy.

But is there one credible economist or energy analyst who actually believes that offshore drilling could have a short-term impact on the market dynamics?

The Huffington Post took on the task of finding an expert who thought that Americans would, within the next decade, receive relief at the pump from McCain's plan. Querying the entire scope of the ideological spectrum -- and putting aside the debate over whether or not offshore drilling was sensible policy -- the consensus seemed to be that if the presumptive GOP nominee was persuading voters that he could help decrease their gas bill, he was either living in a political fantasy or being disingenuous.

We started out with the conservative crowd, the one seemingly most predisposed to the idea of drilling.

"There is no question it would take quiet a bit of time for this to come to the market," said Max Schulz, an energy analyst for the Manhattan Institute. "But it was the same argument that was used any time over the past ten years, that it would take too much time for this stuff to have an effect... Having a couple million extra barrels on the world market would eventually help ease those markets."

Other expressed similar, qualified skepticism about the short-term benefits of McCain's plan.

"Would starting to drill now do anything for consumers in the near future?" asked Ken Green, an energy analyst with the American Enterprise Institute. "The answer to this one, again in my opinion, is probably not, since it'll take so long for new oil or gas to come to market. There is some small chance it would have immediate benefits if the current price of oil is fueled by spectators convinced that supply will continue to remain stagnant in the face of growth. They could take a commitment to drill as evidence that supply constraints will loosen, resulting in lower prices (or slower increases), making oil futures a weaker investment that would trade for less."

Added Jerry Taylor, a fellow at the Cato Institute, "I think it would have an effect, just not a major effect. The odds are you couldn't get any significant amounts of crude from coastal areas within the next decade. Offshore rigs, if you want to go get one, tough luck. They are all leased out. Even if the infrastructure is there, it would be hard, but the infrastructure isn't there... But markets react to future developments and even if the crude is not flowing, the project itself could have an impact on markets."

But the assertion that offshore drilling could have an impact on oil prices by placating oil speculators is itself a contested proposition. And some analysts insist that it is wishful thinking that the market would suddenly perk up because of the prospect of more supply.

"There are a number of problems with that argument," said Rob Shapiro, formerly undersecretary of commerce under President Clinton, and co-founder and chairman of Sonecon, LLC. "First of all I don't think anyone thinks that within the time period of futures trading, that there would be enough additional supply to affect global future prices. Second of all, the market will look at this not only in terms of, 'there is more supply,' but also, 'there is more supply at substantial greater costs to recover than current supply, and with substantial new liabilities' -- the communities that are going to sue them when they destroy their beaches."

Indeed, as Taylor pointed out and as a number of independent studies have emphasized, there are a host of loopholes, costs, delays and uncertainties that make offshore drilling far from a sure oil market boom. There is a five-year waiting period just to lease land for drilling, and even more time on top of that to get a contract for the oil rigs. The American Petroleum Institute recently acknowledged that there is a dearth of equipment to drill on the land and coasts that are already accessible. And depending on the size of the station being built, and the possibility that oil may not be found immediately, it could be upwards of ten years before crude is even brought to the surface.

The Energy Information Administration estimated that oil from these sites would hit the market around 2017 and peak around 2027. Rushing the process would likely only result in less supply. "The faster we try to drain the less efficient the drainage," said Dr. Ralph Byrns, Professor of Economics at UNC-Chapel Hill. "If we drain it dry and still get 14 billion barrels of oil [the President has suggested 18 billion], that itself would still take 20 years."

Which brings us to the other side of the ideological spectrum, where analysts and experts not only see offshore drilling as a relatively fruitless enterprise, but precisely the wrong type of solution to achieve energy independence.

"Oil companies make more money on oil they own as long as the price stays high," said Marc Cooper, Director of Research for the Consumer Federation of America. "So the primary effect of drilling offshore will be increasing the profit of the oil companies. Today when they make a deal to drill in Saudi Arabia, they deal with the local government who takes all the rent. When they own their own oil, when they go to the outer-continental shelf, they don't have to pay OPEC."

A Democratic analyst, who spoke on the condition of anonymity, had a more nefarious explanation for McCain and President Bush's support for the offshore exploration: "If you wanted to go into Iraq, you saw 9/11 as a way to do that. And if you want to do offshore drilling, you see $4.00 a gallon gas as a way to do that."

To be fair, McCain and his aides have publicly stated that in this battle, as well during his press for a temporary gas tax holiday, the Senator was not casting his lot with the economists. And in a moment of sincerity, a senior adviser to the Arizona Republican,
Douglas Holtz-Eakin, acknowledged that new offshore drilling wouldn't have an immediate effect on gas prices. In fact, three weeks before he came out in support of drilling, the Senator himself acknowledged that offshore resources "would take years to develop."

And yet McCain has been arguing that he is taking proactive steps to relieve the burden consumers are feeling at the pump, even declaring that offshore drilling "would be very helpful in the short term in resolving our energy crisis." It is, some say, the antithesis of straight-talk politics.

"Obviously McCain's people know this is kind of a joke," said Dean Baker, co-director of the Center for Economic and Policy Research. "But they have the media frame that they want. They have Obama sitting there whining about the environment and he is there doing something about five-dollar gas, when in essence there is nothing his plan does for short term relief."

Bolu Adeyeye was a contributing reporter to this story.

 
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To Redrover666 -

NewsFlash: China is NOT drilling 50 miles or even 60 miles off the coast of Florida. That was a lie started by Dick Cheney and spread by Sean Hannity & other rightwinged blogs. A lie that Dick Cheney had to retract on June 12, 2008.

6/12/2008 Washington (AP) - by H. Josef Hebert, "Vice President Dick Cheney's office acknowledged on Thursday that he was mistaken when he asserted that China, at Cuba's behest, is drilling for oil in waters 60 miles from the Florida coast."

''China is not drilling in Cuba's Gulf of Mexico waters, period,'' said Jorge PiƱon, an energy expert at the University of Miami's Center for Hemispheric Policy."

you wrote, "If they thought there were profitable amounts of oil there [68M acres dems& reps already gave them], they'd be on it like white on rice."

If big oil, does not think there is oil on the 68 million US acres they already have been GIVEN- then use it or lose it.

6/12/2008 Democrats filed H.R. 6251, Responsible Federal Oil and Gas Lease Act of 2008. A measure to compel oil & gas companies to 'use it or lose it' & produce on the 68 million acres of federal lands, both onshore and offshore, that are leased but sitting idle.

Stop lying about democrats refusing& blocking every effort to drill off shore when the blame& guilt lies square at the feet of BIGOIL.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:05 AM on 06/27/2008

The new study put out by the US Energy Information Administration, finds that OffShore drilling would have no significant long term impact. Quote: "Any impact on average wellhead prices (of oil, now through 2030,) is expected to be insignificant."
http://theoildrum.com/node/4174

A separate EIA study finds that Alaska National Wildlife Reserve drilling would reduce the price of oil by only 2 to 4 cents per gallon by 2024.
http://climateprogress.org/2008/06/04/opening-anwr-cuts-gas-prices-two-cents-in-2025

Considering these minor price reductions could be wiped out by global oil markets next week, much less decades from now;
Why aren"t these studies being covered in this political discussion about oil drilling?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:55 PM on 06/26/2008

Redrover666 - For fun, this here liberal democrat will dissect your name & maybe we'll then get an idea of YOUR agenda:
RED-GOP-Rightwinged-republican
Rove-Karl
666-devil... sums up Karl Rove ie., devil.

You've written disingenuous, deceitful& dishonest comments on this blog.

FTR: liberal democrats& republicans have already GIVEN 68 million US acres, both onshore& offshore, TO big oil companies. But, Big oil REFUSE, FLAT REFUSE, to drill on 90% of the 68 Million US acres we've given them.

Big Oil&Republicans are restricting domestic production on federal leases& enjoying record profits - they speculate& profiteer with public resources to the detriment of struggling Americans.

Stop lying about democrats reducing the supply of domestic oil when the fault lies with BIG OIL. Big oil has made us dependent on countries the hate& envy us by refusing to drill on the 68 million acres.

Between 1999 and 2007, the number of U.S drilling permits issued for development on U.S. public lands has increased by more than 361%. 10,000 of those leases are not being utilized & are being stockpiled by profit rich oil companies. The 68 million acres of leased but inactive federal land have the potential to produce an additional 4.8 million barrels of oil& 44.7 billion cubic feet of natural gas each day.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:47 AM on 06/25/2008
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Doesn't matter how many acres they have leases on. News flash, they are in the business of sucking oil out of the ground and selling it. If they thought there were profitable amounts of oil there, they'd be on it like white on rice.

The Chines are drilling less than 50 off our coast.... where the oil is. Democrats come unhinged at the very thought of it. The price we pay for oil is the same for all importing nations. It's called a world market sparky. So save the "Big Oil/Republicans" thing, it doesn't carry water.

Democrats have refused and blocked every effort to drill off shore, exploit our shale oil, build nuclear reactors and new refineries. As demand grows we are forced to import, at 58% now. Democrats suggest we suck it up and convert to fairy dust and wishful thinking.

Your last paragraph.... reread my second.

As to the silly analysis of my screen name, it just goes to my previous assertions that liberals are just plain goofy. I want you to read this a couple of times until you get it. Please don't be shy, I will be happy to answer any of your questions.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:43 PM on 06/25/2008

Why do you keep repeating Cheney's "Chinese drilling off our coast" lie?

Do you want to make sure no one believes anything else you say?

It's working.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:50 PM on 06/25/2008

re: RedRover,
"The Chines are drilling less than 50 off our coast"

Even Cheney admits that was a lie.
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/06/13/cheney-admits-oil-lie/

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:01 PM on 06/26/2008

Nukes are good for only 25 years worth of the worlds energy, then uranium wars,

Oil drilling takes 7-20 years and the oil companies are sitting on 60M acres, unused.

Wind is the fastest way to install new electricity. %0 Nukes worth of WIND turbines will be built per year at projected installation rates, just 3 years from today.

BushMcCainOil has lead us down the dead end. It's now time to switch to solar wind and hybrid cars.

Yes wind will power you car down the road, using batteries.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/users/profile/research

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:37 PM on 06/24/2008

That's supposed to be "50 Nukes worth of wind power .. 3 years"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:23 AM on 06/25/2008

Sam, you and your leftist envirowacko buddies got us into this pickle, it's time to get out with nukes, clean coal and OCS/Anwar drilling.

10 years is not such a long time. Why, it was only 10 years ago that Bubbu was feeling our pain. I wonder if he feels it now?

Drill Here! Drill Now! Or Buck Up, Pay Up and Shut Up!

BTW, windmills and sails on your electric car will not work. But a project for better batteries along with nuke power and a GMC volt type vehicle is a good start. What's with you people and who said anything about short term?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:20 PM on 06/24/2008
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I just made a reservation at the local Psychiatric facility for you! You are in serious need of electro-shock therapy!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:44 PM on 06/24/2008

Since McCain loves the war in Iraq as well as oil, there is only one logical option for him.

He should move to Iraq (with Cindy), stay for 100 years, and work on the oil rigs loading barrels of oil which are bound for the USA.

On his days off from his barrel lading job, he can hunt Al Queda for fun.

What a life! ............. McCain would be able to live out the rest of his years a HAPPY man ........ Iraq and Oil ................. What life could be better than that?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:42 PM on 06/24/2008

Will it give us relief? We won't know until we try it. But with the Cubans and Chinese drilling only 70 miles off the Florida coast, I have yet to hear anyone explain why it is OK for them but not for us. In that context, it seems totally insane for us to avoid drilling off the coasts. It will happen: the only question is, will we benefit or will our enemies benefit?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:22 PM on 06/24/2008

Dalicious. You know, if it's good enough for the Cubanos and ChiComs, it's good enough for us. These leftist and envirowackos would rather sit here and wring their hands while the commies drill 50 miles off our shores.

How do you spell morons? M O R O N S !

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:25 PM on 06/24/2008

Get real! Gas prices won't come down much at all. You people have it all wrong. Oil is an international commodity, just like gold, pork bellies, wheat and corn. Did you all fail to notice that all commodity prices went up? An ounce of gold will buy the same amount of any commodity that it did 100 years ago. The only change we had here in the USA is the change in value of the dollar. When Bush was elected the first time, the Euro traded at 88 cents, now it is $1.60 which is about double (same as gold). Gee, that's the same doubling that the price of oil did, with milk, bread, and nearly every other commodity catching up fast. The problem is the US Government and the private Federal Reserve. When the Gov bozos spend more than they take in, they just borrow from the Fed, who has the treasury print up the money to loan to us taxpayers to cover the deficit, which devalues our currency, and this is exactly what happened with the commodity prices. Stop blaming Enron, Exxon, BP, and the Saudis. Blame the guys who control the purse strings in this country. It is the fault of Congress and the fault of the private bankers organization, the Fed, for our woes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:46 PM on 06/24/2008

We need to drill now!! If Clinton had done it 10 years ago- we wouldn't be in this mess now. Maybe it
won't help tomorrow but we need to start for the future. The environmentalist have ruined our economy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:19 PM on 06/24/2008
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What I really love about this whole drilling argument, is that they are claiming it will have an immediate effect on gas prices, while they admit more oil won't hit the market for years.
Then, as if they hadn't insulted our collective intelligence enough, they claim that the reason prices will come down in the short term, is because MARKET SPECULATORS will see less future value, thus diminishing trade and decreasing price. I suppose that's possible, but why then would you also claim that speculators are having no to little effect on current prices as the result of questionable trading practices exploited in the Enron loophole that McCain's economic advisor helped put in place.
So let me get this straight, oil prices will decline because of market specualtion, when they make predictions based on future value, BUT, speculation has no effect on current prices. Does specualtion affect price or not? The MSM is completely missing the point and letting McCain win this debate based on a faulty premise. It was just last night on harball, that they had some GOP hack on saying current oil prices are inflated by at most, $2, then he turned around and endorsed McCain's plan because it would have an imediate affect on oil and gasoline prices. What a joke!!!
Don't let this slide guys, we have to hammer this!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:40 AM on 06/24/2008

i don't think we can drill fast enough or add enough production to bring the price down but the fact that the US is finally doing something will settle down the market. A major advantage is the $$ stay at home, jobs are created, taxes and royalties are paid to the US Treasury and our trade deficit eases. In spite of the rhetoric the size of the discoveries offshore is impactive. BP's Thunderhorse is an example, it was knocked offline by Hurricane Katrina and will be restored to production this summer. It will bring 250,000 bbls per day of new production that is impactive and that is the kind of production our economy is being denied. Now before i hear the demo line "drill what you have", we have done that with over 50,000 wells drilled in the western and central gulf of mexico but we are rapidly drilling that up and we need other promising areas in which to explore. Please go to www.gomr.mms.gov and look at the map of leases in the GOM to see thelack of activity in the eastern gulf. We can add reserves relative quickly in the eastern gulf next to the central gulf where infrastructure exists and we can build from there.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:57 PM on 06/27/2008

It won't make a short-term difference, but it's still playing well. The wall street guys are clobbering Barack on this:

http://www.greenfaucet.com/hanlons-pub/obama-clueless-on-corn

...even Cramer, who's a Democrat, is hitting hard on ethanol/oil, etc. He should find a little middle ground if he can to take this issue away from McCain, who doesn't have many.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:38 AM on 06/24/2008

Really, find me a well-informed American making less than the average wage in the US that supports Obama's plan to increase fuel prices by imposing carbon taxes, to increase food prices by continuing to push the folly of corrosive corn ethanol, and to do nothing to allow the US to be both energy independent and industrialized such as would be the case if the US increase its own production of oil and built more nuclear plants.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:27 AM on 06/24/2008

Democrats are against fossil fuels. There is no desire to reduce the price of gasoline; in fact the desire is for higher gasoline and fossil fuel prices. So it is not surprising Democrats are against increasing the supply of energy by increasing the supplies of conventional sources. We need use three approaches, conserve, increase the supply of conventional sources and alternatives.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:18 AM on 06/24/2008
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Americans have demonstrated that they will not be proactive unless there is a crisis staring them in the face. Increasing the supply of conventional sources provides an excuse to carry on as usual, which solves nothing. Nothing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:47 AM on 06/24/2008

I think the main problem to be addressed is that there is a finite source in the first place... There are more negatives than positives. I mean it wouldn't really take that much to turn around the system. If we would have taken the money that we invested in a war that was to gain more access to a finite source and invested it into alternative energies. setting up access points for these energies, and providing automobile manufacturers, with incentives to create demand, we would have been at least in a far better position than we are now. Also this increased production would take care of unemployment, would put American manufacturers at the top with the best in alternative fuel technology, and would have made the economy soar.

Instead. we have many, many dead. the economy is broken, and unemployment is at a high. Yet we are no closer to solving the fuel and climate crisis, we just put it off. War was obviously the better choice.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:14 AM on 06/24/2008
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We ought to emulate the Europeans, whom you say intend to wait for disaster. Good thinking. What sort of isolated and protected bubble do you live in? The vast majority of our economy is based on fossil fuel energy.

You have no idea what a recession really is.

Do you figure a good hearty depression, widespread poverty and hunger would be a good thing? Did you read the paper this morning. LA is having a problem with a skyrocketing population of people, many middle class, living in their cars?

It's your mom and dad losing their home. It's 20% mortgage interest. It's rural Americans starving to death. It's tent cities in urban parks. It's 1 out of 5 that can't get a job. It's your mother collecting aluminum cans and colored glass to sell to buy you dinner.

Grow up.... and since you have never had to live through these sorts of things, read a book or two.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:29 AM on 06/24/2008

So progressives are for high energy prices as a tool to force the public to acquiesce to their agenda.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:19 PM on 06/24/2008
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"Democrats are against fossil fuels"....What an elightening statement...anybody with any sense across the political spectrum is against fossil fuels. A continuance to depend on fossil fuels will eventually not only destroy the planet ewnviornmentally for future generations but, when they run out, will create an even bigger problem than $4.00 a gallon gas.Destroying your childrens heritage in an effort to drill in enviormentally sensitive areas and make the oil companies even richer isn't an answer. It will take TEN YEARS to see the results.And increased drilling in AMERICA would yeild oil that the oil companies would sell to other countries in their quest for higher profits.Get rid of your big, gas guzzling Tundras and Escalades. Quit making unnecessary trips back and forth to the mall. Use public transportation when it's available. There are many ways to help this situation besides drilling off pristeen beaches and destroying natural lands...for BOTH Republicans AND Democrats...crying isn't one of them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:02 AM on 06/24/2008
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Tell that to the Venezuelans who pay twelve cents for a gallon for gas and spit on and insult the once, most powerful nation on earth.

The good news, our beaches look great, the caribou are happy and urban dwellers can take the subway. But anyway, who gives a crap about the rest of America, they can just suck it up.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:19 PM on 06/24/2008
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"Democrats are against fossil fuels." Flat-footed as that sounds, I would agree that progressive liberals ARE against fossil fuels -- it's a limited resource, the extraction and production of which present environmental risks, and the consumption of which guarantees ecological disaster. And I would tend to agree with WIpatriot: "Increasing the supply of conventional sources provides an excuse to carry on as usual, which solves nothing."

However, it's time to be realistic. $4 @ gallon gas is here to stay. We need to focus (as we have not visibly been) on getting as many miles per gallon as possible out of that $4. We need to stop gazing starry-eyed at corn ethanol as an energy panacea lest half the world, ourselves included, starve to death. And, perhaps, we need to take our fingers out of our ears when the discussion of domestic drilling comes up. It may be true that "Yon oil companies have a lean and hungry look" but we need to get ahead of this chicken-and-egg debate, i.e., for every license to drill domestically, $X is invested in hybrid technology.

Just sayin'

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:34 AM on 06/24/2008

Wow, for a leftist progressive, that was a pretty reasoned comment (so rare on this site) I myself am waiting for GM to introduce a "volt" type vehicle that is mostly electric with a gas powered back up generating ability.

Liberals and leftists poo pooed Mc Cains call for battery developement but this is what needs to happen.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:29 PM on 06/24/2008

Environmentalists use fear to motivate, to trick the general public to give up freedoms the same as Bush used fear of terror to motivate people to allow his agenda. We should be extremely skeptical of any group using fear as tool to gain acceptance for their agenda. Even in your post you could not resist the unsupported appeal to fear. If we don't stop using oil "the consumption of which guarantees ecological disaster" we'll ruin the planet and we'll all die. Think about it, what sorts of movements have to depend on fear to gain acceptance?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:14 PM on 06/24/2008

i find the argument that oil companies should invest in alternative energy products, I think that stems in part from the Beyond Petroleum adds where the average american tells theoil companies what thaey should do instead of searching for oil and gas. That would be like a hog farmer supporting vegan causes, it simply makes no sense. I am not against alternative energy sources, I support whoever wants to invest in or pursue whatever. To tie the granting of "licenses" (they are actually leases) to investing X dollars in hybrid technology is pretty silly- the govt can simply sponsor research with the billions of $$ the oil industry pays in royalties.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:04 PM on 06/27/2008
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Remember when we all thought that our invasion of Iraq would bring us cheap oil? What it brought was billions of dollars to oil producers, speculators and contractors and $4 gas for the rest of us. Republicans pander to oil drillers and contractors. This proposal by McCain is just another pander to the hands that feed him.

What Americans don't realize is that the American oil supply is not the American people's oil supply. It's Exxon-Mobil's oil. It's Chevron-Texaco's oil. We do not have nationalized oil - that's what Venezuela, Saudi Arabia and Kuwait have. This is why gasoline is less than 50 cents per gallon in those places - it's a government-owned commodity. That 50 cents represents refining and distribution costs. In America, oil is a privately owned commodity.

Whatever oil we drill up from Alaska or Florida or anywhere else will go directly into the global supply and will be sold at global prices. Anybody who thinks that oil prices are dictated by classic supply and demand models is sadly mistaken. They have it half-right. Oil prices are dictated by demand, but not by supply. If the demand is high, then the price will be high, regardless of what the supply figures are. In fact, we have no way of knowing what the world oil supply figure is. All we can know is how hungry we are for more oil.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:16 AM on 06/24/2008

Exactly, if we start drilling for oil in third-rate reserves, it's just showing the rest of the world how desperate we are, and there will be even more speculation and other games that drive the price up. Attempting to close loopholes and tighten regulation will just move the speculation and games offshore. A lot of misguided people think that the US has some sort of ability to control prices on the supply side through regulation or nationalizing or voodoo magic. We don't. Not at all. All we can do is reduce our reliance on it by using less of it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:12 AM on 06/24/2008

What third rate reserves? In the deepwater GOM we have world class reserves. The onshore resource plays are huge. In the 85% of the OCS we have the promise of great reserves but we have to drill to get them. Doing nothing produces nothing, its not a hard concept to understand.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:07 PM on 06/27/2008

You are correct. In addition, as reported this past Sunday on the Today Show, the average American uses the equivalent of 25 barrels of oil each day vs. 2 barrels per day in China. The problem is that China's 2 barrel per day average will likely increase as their lifestyles become more westernized as will other counties with currently low oil usage. This will therefore increase the demand for oil. Oil demand is a global issue and we all need to reduce our consumption in order to decrease demand. It seems to me that the solution is not to find more oil but to find alternatives to oil consumption.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:00 PM on 06/24/2008
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Gas prices at $4 a gallon?

I hadn't heard that.

: D

PS There is no recession.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:12 AM on 06/24/2008
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Great point.

Since liberal democratic energy policy has been to engage in behaviors that restrict supply, restrict exploitation of our own resources and make us dependent on world markets..... then it's fair to draw a reasonable connection between the price of fuel, food and a recession.

:D

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:37 AM on 06/24/2008
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The democrats have not been the party of energy policy since 2001, in case you need to readjust your lopsided head.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:50 AM on 06/24/2008

Redrover666 (sign of the beast).

America uses 25% of the world's oil supply. "Liberal democratic energy policy" did not create this demand. Drilling off shore won't address the problem.

"Republican energy policy" = Big Oil.

Nuff said.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:31 AM on 06/24/2008

Do you know what's really stupid? To think that drilling anywhere in the US would ever lower gas prices. Not until every user in the world gets their share, and the price is the same for everyone worldwide.
The sad truth can be found by looking at the current producers in TX, LA, OK, AK, etc. Are they giving the US citizens a break? B-llSh-t, they put their output into the world market for the biggest profit. Why would anyone with at least half a brain think that any new sources would benefit the US???

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:08 AM on 06/24/2008

I have been saying this for weeks now. If we got every single barrel of American oil out of the ground, are the oil companies going to sell it to the "American" market for less than the $136/barrel market price? NO!! They are going to make as much money as they can. And if they somehow 'flood' the market with our projected 3% of world supply, where are they going to refine it? Without new refineries they will just say that there are not enough resources to process the oil and so they will have to raise prices again to build new refineries. Adding ten more years to the mix on top of the 10 years to get the oil in the first place.

If we cannot come up with a viable alternative to oil in 10-15 years we are in a lot of trouble anyway.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:11 AM on 06/24/2008
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Of course you're absolutely right. The Chinese will buy any extra oil produced by any country and at any price. At this point the Chinese economy/government are one in the same. If the Chinese economy doesn't grow, it won't survive and neither will the government.

That said, for the Chinese, the price of oil is nearly unlimitted.

Yet that just may be a blessing in disquise. We The Sheeple need to rapidly become WE THE PEOPLE and demand a Manhatten type of alternative fuel project... We also either get a grip on ourselves and find ways to avoid using oil, or continue to impotently wring our limp hands and hope for a political solution.

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