White House Subpoena Battle Hits Courts

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MATT APUZZO | June 23, 2008 04:25 PM EST | AP

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WASHINGTON — Congress was trying to be diplomatic when it brought an unprecedented lawsuit to settle its subpoena fight against the White House, a lawyer told a federal judge Monday. After all, lawmakers could have just arrested the president's former lawyer for refusing to testify.

The judge's response?

Maybe they should have.

Congress has the authority to hold someone in contempt, U.S. District Judge John Bates said. Did it really need to go to court?

House counsel Irvin Nathan said it did. The Democratic-led House Judiciary Committee is demanding documents and testimony from the president's chief of staff, Josh Bolten, and former counsel, Harriet Miers, about the firing of U.S. attorneys. Congress needs the information to determine whether the Bush administration politicized some of the nation's top federal prosecutor jobs.

"Not only doesn't it have the facts from the White House, it has false and misleading facts from former members of the Department of Justice," Nathan said during the three-hour hearing over whether the court should enforce the committee's subpoenas.

The judge's exchange with Nathan over the politically sensational option of ordering the House sergeant-at-arms to arrest Miers showed just how reluctant the judge was to wade into a dispute between the other two coequal branches.

Congress has never gone to court to demand the testimony of White House aides, and any ruling by Bates _ even simply agreeing that he has the authority to issue a ruling _ could alter the Capitol's political system of given and take.

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Normally, such disputes work themselves out. Either it becomes politically untenable for the White House to refuse congressional demands or Congress backs down. Congress also has the power of the purse. It can withhold money for White House projects, refuse to pay Department of Justice salaries or confirm the president's nominations until the president cooperates.

And then there's the ultimate option: If the House really feels wronged by the president, it can vote for impeachment. It takes the same simple majority that approved the contempt measure against Miers and Bolten.

At times Bates, who was nominated to the bench by President Bush, seemed persuaded by Nathan's argument that he had the authority to act. Bates also appeared skeptical of the Justice Department's claims that senior presidential advisers are absolutely immune from congressional subpoenas.

The judge spent much of the time, however, talking about whether he should issue a ruling at all.

"Both sides have the same argument," Bates said. "Whether I rule for the executive branch or I rule for the legislative branch, I'm going to disrupt the balance."

Nathan urged the judge to force Miers to appear on Capitol Hill where, if she wanted to refuse to testify, she could. He also asked that the White House be forced to turn over a document-by-document summary of what it was withholding and why.

Justice Department attorney Carl Nichols argued that would tip the scales toward Congress in any future disputes with the president.

"There really is a floodgate problem," he said. "Once you create hard-and-fast rules, it does change how the parties behave going forward."

Bates suggested that the two sides might still settle the dispute before he rules, avoiding a final court showdown altogether.

That hinted at one option the judge has that could pre-empt his own ruling: He could order both sides to negotiate further and, if nothing came of it, Bates could just put the case on a shelf until the end of the year. When the new Congress begins its term in 2009, the subpoenas essentially vanish and the case would be moot.

WASHINGTON — Congress was trying to be diplomatic when it brought an unprecedented lawsuit to settle its subpoena fight against the White House, a lawyer told a federal judge Monday. After all, ...
WASHINGTON — Congress was trying to be diplomatic when it brought an unprecedented lawsuit to settle its subpoena fight against the White House, a lawyer told a federal judge Monday. After all, ...
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- WillNYC I'm a Fan of WillNYC 7 fans permalink

Heads up the Judge is a Bush admin rubber stamper:

from his bio: http://www.dcd.uscourts.gov/bates-bio.html

"In February 2006, he was appointed by Chief Justice Roberts to serve as a judge of the United States Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:42 AM on 06/24/2008
- ashabot I'm a Fan of ashabot 10 fans permalink

Checks and balances. That's how democracy works. We have a runaway Executive. A FUGITIVE President. But who is chasing? They know they are twisting in the wind. Their flimsy, ultimate strategy is to be so bold faced, so in public about it all that they create a reality shift that silences all opponents. It almost worked. Might still unless more people stand up and speak up. Nail these SOBs! Our government is so seriously out of whack. Arrest them all starting with Bush and Cheney!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:10 AM on 06/24/2008
- Nyla785 I'm a Fan of Nyla785 9 fans permalink

I don't understand these people not even showing up to claim executive privilege before the congress. Where is it in life that WE get to just 'not show up' to be accountable? The concept of 'checks & balances' is dead in this country--as are the 4th amendment and habeas corpus.
We no longer recognize our country--and if they say it's because of terrorism, then the terrorists have won.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:15 AM on 06/24/2008

Why should they abide by the law or Constitution? Pelosi took the Executive complying with the Contitution off the table so the administration knows that the only Branch Constitutionally responsible for making the Executive abide by the Rule of Law will do nothing to make them abide by that Rule of Law.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:26 AM on 06/24/2008
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Just wait until Pres.Obama takes the oath of office in 2009. Then watch all the hypocritical Repubs scream about Executive abuse of powers and wanting full disclosure etc. Oh, and the 40% of the public who votes Republicon will fall for the BS because they are STUPID!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:38 AM on 06/24/2008

The Major difference between the GOP and the Dems is that,The GOP are able to withhold the law and Constitution when it favours them and then break the same laws and constitution when its against them. But the Dems cant do either.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:41 AM on 06/24/2008
- VOTER I'm a Fan of VOTER 173 fans permalink
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Ouch!

Please forward your comment to the DNC, asap.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:35 AM on 06/24/2008

I thought in today America,they send people who need to be questioned to Guantanamo. If they can send people who have no charge over their heads there,certainly its justifiable to send people with charges over their heads who dont want to talk. I hear they can make people talk at Guantanamo. Isnt that the reason the president told us we have Guantanamo,to make people talk?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:35 AM on 06/24/2008

The lawsuit is just another stunt by Democrats to duck doing what the Constitution requires them to do when the Executive branch commits high crimes and misdemeanors -- impeachment and removal. Even self-deluded Democratic Party sycophant voters are sick of this do-nothing group in Congress that funds war crimes, investigates everything and does nothing regardless of how damaging the information is they find. So they actually give up their own powers -- allowing another branch of government -- the right-wing, anti-fairness judiciary -- to determine whether powers the Legislative Branch hold exclusively are enforceable.

Next they'll have a circus against the war while they provide even more unabridged funding, including funding war crimes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:03 AM on 06/24/2008
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More americans are focused on Britney Spears than the government. We are on the fast track to self distruction.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:04 AM on 06/24/2008
- GBartrem I'm a Fan of GBartrem 3 fans permalink
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They work for Bush... they are not President nor Vice-Presi­dent..... they have no right to claim executive privlege. I didn't spell that right.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:34 AM on 06/24/2008
- Pyrrhus I'm a Fan of Pyrrhus 7 fans permalink

OMG will someone please let her phone home?

She's getting that pasty look again.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:04 AM on 06/24/2008
- imsosure I'm a Fan of imsosure 29 fans permalink
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Watch the whole thing when you have time but at least fast forward to 1:07:20 thru to 1:22:00.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1656880303867390173

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:03 AM on 06/24/2008
- Crake I'm a Fan of Crake 2 fans permalink

Vid's down?... suspicious­...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:00 AM on 06/24/2008
- Krikkit I'm a Fan of Krikkit 14 fans permalink

What a risky move for congress to make. They could have blown it all when they already had the power to haul them all to jail.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:22 PM on 06/23/2008

To think at one point Bush selected her as a candidate for the Supreme Court...la­ughable.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:14 PM on 06/23/2008
- lthuedk 1 I'm a Fan of lthuedk 1 63 fans permalink
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"Justice Department attorney Carl Nichols argued that would tip the scales toward Congress in any future disputes with the president.­"

I'm sorry, I didn't hear that. Is this White House prostitute suggesting it's clients, the dictatorship, hasn't hijacked the government? Stand down Carl, and go read the Constitution.

Arrest Myers and Bolton. The House has been way to tolerant. It's time to force the issue.

http://www.light-to-dark.com/gonzo_or_justice.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:51 PM on 06/23/2008
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When we have women in positions of leadership, emotions usually triumph over practicality.

I bet you if that was Newt as House Speaker they would be in irons. Damn I wonder why I became a Democrat??

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:40 PM on 06/23/2008
- soapington I'm a Fan of soapington 42 fans permalink
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I have heard Dick Cheney called a lot of things, but never a woman.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:54 PM on 06/23/2008
- thromulese I'm a Fan of thromulese 21 fans permalink
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“After all, lawmakers could've just arrested the president's former lawyer for refusing to testify.
The judge's response?
Maybe they should have.”

Just another sad example of democratic spinelessness. If this were reversed, the republiCONs would have already arrested her. But I guess with the dems, they just don’t want to be bothered by the rule of law because that would take guts, and a spine. They have neither.

Maybe they’ll send a letter (dems are good at that), or maybe give them another subpoena that they can ignore.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:13 PM on 06/23/2008
- Krikkit I'm a Fan of Krikkit 14 fans permalink

Maybe it was spineless, or maybe it was a power grab. In either case, it was a mistake writ large. What is wrong with these people?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:22 PM on 06/23/2008
- RTIII I'm a Fan of RTIII 86 fans permalink

What's wrong is that they're trying to put party before nation.

They have the wrong-headed idea that we'll take it out on them if the Dems are seen as making partisan attacks. Trouble is, of course, the Rs are behaving criminally, and justice is NOT a partisan issue!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:52 PM on 06/24/2008
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