Mormon church enters Calif. gay marriage fight

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JENNIFER DOBNER | June 24, 2008 04:13 AM EST | AP

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SALT LAKE CITY — The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is asking California members to join the effort to amend that state's constitution to define marriage as being between a man and a woman.

A letter sent to Mormon bishops and signed by church president Thomas S. Monson and his two top counselors calls on Mormons to donate "means and time" to the ballot measure. A note on the letter dated June 20 says it should be read during church services on June 29, but the letter was published Saturday on several Web sites.

Church spokesman Scott Trotter said Monday that the letter was authentic. He declined further comment, saying the letter explains the church's reasons for getting involved.

The LDS church will work with a coalition of churches and other conservative groups that put the California Marriage Protection Act on the Nov. 4 ballot to assure its passage, the letter states.

In May, California's Supreme Court overturned a voter-approved ban on same-sex marriage, saying gays could not be denied marriage licenses.

"The church's teachings and position on this moral issue are unequivocal. Marriage between a man and a woman is ordained of God and the formation of families is central to the Creator's plan for His children," the four-paragraph letter states.

"We ask that you do all you can to support the proposed constitutional amendment by donating of your means and time to ensure that marriage in California is legally defined as being between a man and a woman," church leaders say in the letter. "Our best efforts are required to preserve the sacred institution of marriage."

California Mormons _ there are more than 750,000, according to a church almanac _ have heard and heeded similar calls from their leaders before.

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In 2000, a letter from the pulpit asked members to give time and money in support of Proposition 22, a ballot measure prohibiting California from legally recognizing gay marriages performed outside the state. It passed but was later struck down by the courts.

The LDS church also fought same-sex marriage legislation in other states during the 1990s. As recently as 2006, it signed a letter to Congress seeking an amendment to the U.S. Constitution that would define marriage as being between a man and a woman.

The latest letter is a disappointment to members of Affirmation, an international support group for gay, lesbian and transgender Mormons. Last month, Affirmation called on the church not to meddle in California politics.

"This initiative will hurt so many people," executive director W. Olin Thomas said in a statement Monday. "The California law affects civil marriage; it has no effect on any religious institution or official."

Affirmation leaders are scheduled to meet with the head of LDS Family Services, a church social services agency, in August to begin a conversation meant to bridge the divide between Mormonism and gay members hurt by church teachings that homosexuality is a sin.

It will be the first meeting between any arm of the church and Affirmation, which was formed in secret in the 1970s by students at the church-owned Brigham Young University in Provo.

"We're not going to let this stand in the way," Affirmation spokesman David Melson said. "The church has said they are open to finding new avenues and new solutions to minister to gay members, and we are taking them at their word."

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SALT LAKE CITY — The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is asking California members to join the effort to amend that state's constitution to define marriage as being between a man and ...
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It's so hypocritical of the church of LDS to speaking about marriage when they have SO many issues of their own--regardless of different sects.

Coming from a GOP member, IF two men or two women are in love and desire to marry...th­ey should be allowed to. This right in no way diminishes my rights as a straight married woman.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:40 PM on 06/24/2008

Correction: It's so hypocritical of the church of LDS to BE speaking about marriage when they have SO many issues of their own--regardless of different sects.

SORRY!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:42 PM on 06/24/2008
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Oh puleeze. When it comes to marriage, Mormons need to shut their faces.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:37 PM on 06/24/2008

Look, it is real simple: gay marriage is about equal protection of all American citizens who partner with another human being, regardless of whether their genitals are identical or opposite. Period. It is a legal contract entered into between two consenting adults and their government. Period.

It has nothing to do with any religious blessing, covenant, or tenet of your invisible, all-powerful friend, or anyone else's. You are completely free to cast aspersions, condemn to hell, and refuse to serve whatever mystical sacraments you dispense because same-sex marriage offends you. In fact, more power to you, as this is America and you are free to take wahtever ethical, religious stand you like.

But please understand the distinction between the two. No one has invited your religious representatives, authorities, or spokespersons to inject themselves into the lawful contracts of others. At no time can any religion abridge the civil rights of any American citizen, *especially* when they do not subscribe to your beliefs.

With over 50% of heterosexual marriages failing, wouldn't one think the churches might have more urgent venues to invest their energies?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:35 PM on 06/24/2008

Whatever happened to the separation of church and state or, you know, the freedom of religion? The very fact that they invoked God in their argument should dissolve it. God has nothing to do with the law.

I believe in the positive influence of faith. But faith should guide people to shape their own beliefs, not to shape laws that enforce those beliefs on others.

We need to start looking at social issues in politics for what they are; a restriction of freedom of religion.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:35 PM on 06/24/2008
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Spoken like a true Communist

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:52 PM on 06/24/2008
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So you're saying the US Constitution was written and ratified by a bunch of commies.

Why do you hate America, Tex?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:42 PM on 06/24/2008
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So Thomas Jefferson was a communist? Wow, he was WAY ahead of his time!

"In every country and in every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot.... they have perverted the purest religion ever preached to man into mystery and jargon, unintelligible to all mankind, and therefore the safer engine for their purpose."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:45 PM on 06/24/2008
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Religious zealots make me sick. There have been many studies the show a direct correlation between religious regions of the world and their socioeconimc status. The results are clear. Where education suffers, religion flourishes and vice versa. The religious weapons of guilt and fear will continue until we educate, educate, educate... Why are the brightest minds this world has ever seen all athiests? Steven Hawking, Albert Einstein, James Watson , Francis Crick, blah blah blah.... The irony is priceless. Religion is natural selections best customer.

Its the education system stupid!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:34 PM on 06/24/2008

Brightest minds are not measured because they like to have sex with the same sex or embrase the act.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:08 PM on 06/24/2008
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Nope. But they do understand that religious fundamentals and principles are a joke.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:26 PM on 06/24/2008
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As they migrated West, whole wagon trains of Mormons were wiped out, slaughtered by 'Christians' because of their religious beliefs especially as they pertained to marriage.
Oh the Irony.....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:33 PM on 06/24/2008
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This is hardly the first time Utah has tried to interfere with California's law.

For instance, a felon in California can send his $20 to Utah and get a concealed carry permit.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:33 PM on 06/24/2008

Amazing. LDS should clean their own house and houses like them first. CA amendment is about consenting adults and happiness. LDS should take action against polygamy and forced arranged "under age 14" marriages in their circles.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:22 PM on 06/24/2008
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...or marriage between a man and a woman and a woman?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:12 PM on 06/24/2008
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If the California Supreme Court had ruled that marriage is permissable between any number of individuals of any sex, I would have supported it. As it is, they are just as much polyphobes as is the gay community that thinks marriage should be restricted to two people.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:22 PM on 06/24/2008
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So I forget why we're mad at gay people this week--is it because they REFUSE to settle down and then sleep with too many people or because they WANT to settle down and live with one person for the rest of their life? Homophobia would be easier if we could stay consistent on this point.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:06 PM on 06/24/2008
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Because the Mormons have a history of credibility when it comes to the sanctity of marriage.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:04 PM on 06/24/2008
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So you're in favor of gay marriage because the state has no right to interfere in the love lives of consenting adults but you are opposed to polygamy (between consenting adults) because...­.?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:11 PM on 06/24/2008
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I don't oppose polygamy as long as it's between consenting adults. But it rather smacks of hypocrisy for LDS to be involved in the fight against the legal recognition of gay marriages, don't you think?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:56 PM on 06/25/2008
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Mormon marriages are eternal and their extended families including ancestors are together for all eternity. I knew of someone who got "sealed for eternity" in the temple. That is more than just marriage; marriage is not an eternal marriage unless there is a sealing.

Then they got a divorce, and wanted to remarry, so they applied for a "cancellation of sealing" for that eternal marriage. It came back from Salt Lake City within two weeks.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:55 PM on 06/24/2008

The same-sex marriage measure was put on a ballot and approved by popular vote of the people, by the people. Then it was contested (by conservativatives, the religious right, and politicians), and put on hold until the outcome of the Supreme Court ruling. Now it is being contested again.
I say this again.. THE MEASURE WON ON A STATEWIDE BALLOT VOTE! How can politicians, religious-types, and ultra conservatives trump the will of the people? How is this Democracy in action?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:02 PM on 06/24/2008
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I am an atheist.

I am married. I sure as hell didn't want a church involved at all. My marriage was about my commitment to my wife, not about a commitment to some mythical guardian.

What you do in your church is your own business. Where the state and citizen's rights are concerned, we are all exactly the same.

If your "marriage" is threatened by someone else's marriage, you don't have much of a relationship to begin with. If you are convinced in the existence of your god and its wrath or vengeance, why not let god decide? The religious "right" is full of crap. If they believed their own nonsense they wouldn't worry about jamming their garbage down everyone else's throat. The truth is that there is safety in numbers and they lack the spine to do what they believe because they think it is right. They need the conformity of the whole population to salve their gutless actions.

Where the Dobsons of the world see piety, I see cowardice. What happened to the Golden Rule?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:59 AM on 06/24/2008
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EXACTLY!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:38 PM on 06/24/2008

How sad. Their respectable prophet Gordon B. Hinckley is gone and it looks like their efforts to improve their reputation in the world went with him.

I don't get it. This has nothing to do with them or any other religious group. Are they so weak in their beliefs that they feel threatened by OTHER people being happy in a way they don't agree with? Do they think that gay couples are going to all of a sudden storm their churches with pitchforks and spread their gayness to their righteous members?

What was that about Christ being accepting of people? Where did that get lost in the sad remnants of real Christianity? Jesus must have been a democrat. That would explain it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:59 AM on 06/24/2008
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Mormons should deal with their own problems like Jeffs and the like.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:53 AM on 06/24/2008

Hmmm. Jeffs and the like is not a Mormon problem, though, from my understanding. Mormons are members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Jeffs and the like are some kook off-shoot. I don't think they have any affiliation at all.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:00 PM on 06/24/2008
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Jeffs has nothing to do with them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:04 PM on 06/24/2008
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And the mormons have nothing to do with gay marriage.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:14 PM on 06/24/2008
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They are all dangerous religious fanatics

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:38 PM on 06/24/2008

WHAT???? Jeffs is/was/whatever a member of a mormon group that still practices the original mormon doctrine. The only reason the mormon church "officially" dropped their polygamous statutory rape dogma was because they were forced to by U.S. laws. The reason Jeffs is incarcerated is because he's still advocating and enforcing the original mormon beliefs. Many so-called "mainstream" mormons are still sympathetic and some still practice it too, in the closet. What a hypocrisy for mormons of any kind to be preaching to California about its laws, especially about marriage. If California mormons don't like it they can take themselves to Mexico where many of the fundamentalist groups are hiding out.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:36 PM on 06/24/2008
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