Mormon church enters Calif. gay marriage fight

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JENNIFER DOBNER | June 24, 2008 04:13 AM EST | AP

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SALT LAKE CITY — The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is asking California members to join the effort to amend that state's constitution to define marriage as being between a man and a woman.

A letter sent to Mormon bishops and signed by church president Thomas S. Monson and his two top counselors calls on Mormons to donate "means and time" to the ballot measure. A note on the letter dated June 20 says it should be read during church services on June 29, but the letter was published Saturday on several Web sites.

Church spokesman Scott Trotter said Monday that the letter was authentic. He declined further comment, saying the letter explains the church's reasons for getting involved.

The LDS church will work with a coalition of churches and other conservative groups that put the California Marriage Protection Act on the Nov. 4 ballot to assure its passage, the letter states.

In May, California's Supreme Court overturned a voter-approved ban on same-sex marriage, saying gays could not be denied marriage licenses.

"The church's teachings and position on this moral issue are unequivocal. Marriage between a man and a woman is ordained of God and the formation of families is central to the Creator's plan for His children," the four-paragraph letter states.

"We ask that you do all you can to support the proposed constitutional amendment by donating of your means and time to ensure that marriage in California is legally defined as being between a man and a woman," church leaders say in the letter. "Our best efforts are required to preserve the sacred institution of marriage."

California Mormons _ there are more than 750,000, according to a church almanac _ have heard and heeded similar calls from their leaders before.

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In 2000, a letter from the pulpit asked members to give time and money in support of Proposition 22, a ballot measure prohibiting California from legally recognizing gay marriages performed outside the state. It passed but was later struck down by the courts.

The LDS church also fought same-sex marriage legislation in other states during the 1990s. As recently as 2006, it signed a letter to Congress seeking an amendment to the U.S. Constitution that would define marriage as being between a man and a woman.

The latest letter is a disappointment to members of Affirmation, an international support group for gay, lesbian and transgender Mormons. Last month, Affirmation called on the church not to meddle in California politics.

"This initiative will hurt so many people," executive director W. Olin Thomas said in a statement Monday. "The California law affects civil marriage; it has no effect on any religious institution or official."

Affirmation leaders are scheduled to meet with the head of LDS Family Services, a church social services agency, in August to begin a conversation meant to bridge the divide between Mormonism and gay members hurt by church teachings that homosexuality is a sin.

It will be the first meeting between any arm of the church and Affirmation, which was formed in secret in the 1970s by students at the church-owned Brigham Young University in Provo.

"We're not going to let this stand in the way," Affirmation spokesman David Melson said. "The church has said they are open to finding new avenues and new solutions to minister to gay members, and we are taking them at their word."

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I love that a group with a history of being at odds (to put in nicely) with marriage laws is now trying to shove those laws down the throats of people who are just trying to live happy, normal lives.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:02 AM on 06/24/2008
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Fun Fact: Salt Lake City UT which is home to the LDS church, has a larger gay community than even San Fransisco which has a vastly larger population in general. To help "readjust" the members of their church who have "turned gay", the church set up a brainwashing camp to "fix" them. http://www.evergreeninternational.org/ enjoy.

and in the off chance that any of LDS folks are reading this, please feel free to cut the presumed arrogance out in thinking you have a right to tell other people who are not even associated with your faith what to do.

Also, you can stop performing post-mortum baptisms on Nazis and holocaust victims who died for their faith so they can live in the Mormon heaven together. You may not realize how terribly disrespectful this is but it is and you are terrible people for not stopping your leaders from engaging in these kind of activities. Quit acting like sheep, your own church takes advantage of you spiritually, financially, ethically, and morally.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:02 AM on 06/24/2008
- Tabasco I'm a Fan of Tabasco 18 fans permalink

"Mormon church enters Calif. gay marriage fight."

Another circus side show

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:55 AM on 06/24/2008
- fredamae I'm a Fan of fredamae 35 fans permalink

I have been a Mormon....­.They can keep their antiquated lifestyles and prejudice/­devaluatio­n of women
and stuff it.

I have never seen a more discriminatory group ever and in the name of God, no less!

Mormons, Butt the hell out of politics..­.or pay up, like all the rest of us...you can afford it with Every Mormon paying a tithing of their income to continue membership in your Org!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:54 AM on 06/24/2008
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"We're not going to let this stand in the way," Affirmation spokesman David Melson said. "The church has said they are open to finding new avenues and new solutions to minister to gay members, and we are taking them at their word."

They will probably sell some gold and buy you some new magic underwear, David.
Your gay underwear is apparently defective.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:52 AM on 06/24/2008

Wait for it.....oh divine revelation! Gays are people too! Sort of like that divine revelation they had back in the sixties that blacks were people! What a bunch of crap!!! This will give them a good reason to tell their members (read sheep) to vote republican again!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:45 AM on 06/24/2008

The LDS' tax-exempt status should be taken away for this.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:33 AM on 06/24/2008

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I totally agree, it's time for ALL religion to get out of politics are loose their tax exempt status

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:42 AM on 06/24/2008
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That's what I was thinking, don't Mormon church leaders have a clue they'll be subject to lawsuits or something like that regarding church tax exemption. Sadly probably not.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:07 AM on 06/24/2008
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that's right man and women .... plural

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:30 AM on 06/24/2008
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Why can't the Mormons mind their own business? Nobody is forcing them to be gay. If they looked to their own backyard, they wouldn't have anything to be offended about. When are these groups going to stop trying to impose their religious ideas on the rest of us?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:26 AM on 06/24/2008

The irony is just too much!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:26 AM on 06/24/2008
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Get your magic underwear folding hands out of our state and get back to building rocket ships to take you to planet Kolob so you can see God in person and laugh about how ridiculous the rest of us humans are.

Don't worry about us, see, we WANT to go to hell because it is apparently a place where we won't have to deal with your hatred and prejudice against other people (now it's gays, 30 years ago Mormon Church dogma was that blacks were inferior).

Seriously, does a church built on polygamy really have a legitimate moral ground to stand on to orchestrate political action to dictate to others the definition of marriage?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:24 AM on 06/24/2008
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It truly escapes me how this is a issue for any religious group. Unless the law prescribes that Mormans or any other church must perform gay marriages. If they are against gay marriage then I don't think the legislature or the courts has the right to force them to perform gay marriage. But as for the state, it should not have the right to legally discriminate against any of it's tax paying citizens, PERIOD.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:20 AM on 06/24/2008
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Exactly! States allowing gays to marry should not, does not and will not affect the LDS church to define marriage anyway they like. Being a private institution they can not allow gays to marry in their temples or churches if they don't want them to. What they are really concerned is that if gay marriages become acceptable by the public that it will eventually infiltrate into their culture.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:54 AM on 06/24/2008

You started well, but a citizen's freedom from state sanctioned discrimination should not depend on tax status either.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:03 AM on 06/24/2008
- edwcorey I'm a Fan of edwcorey 18 fans permalink

Marriage is a religious thing. It's one of the sacraments of the Catholic church. Unless it's a common-law relationship, which is not recognized everywhere in the U.S., it's the state that gives the license to cohabit and have sex. Being an adult human being should be the only qualification. But the church--whatever denomination--has its own canon law, which must subscribe to the laws of "decency": You cannot marry an animal, for instance, or have more than one spouse. I think all that stuff is a tempest in a teapot, because it's not relevant to a good life. It's people getting involved in others' personal business. Polygamy, bestiality (with consenting animals, of course), and same-sex unions are red herrings that distract society from what's really wrong.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:47 PM on 06/24/2008
- MissT I'm a Fan of MissT 4 fans permalink

I just think the state needs to be neutral on this issue without regard to sexual preference. If the state does not support the rights of gays to participate in all the rights of citizenship, then it can not expect the gays to support the state with their tax dollars. The state cannot tell citizens they only have partial rights.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:00 PM on 06/24/2008

I agree; I remember we discussed something like this abck when I was in college. Religions can choose to place whatever restrictions on marriage that they want, but the state should have the law that everyone can have equal opportunity to marriage at least in a secular sense. If your religion doesn't permit gay marriage, you have to take that up with your religion. The state, however, needs to allow all people full marriage rights.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:51 AM on 06/24/2008
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should the article red "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is asking California members to join the effort to amend that state's constitution to define marriage as being between a man and a WOMEN."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:15 AM on 06/24/2008

Now that they've recently come around to believing in monogamy, they feel free to judge? Hilarious.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:11 AM on 06/24/2008
- TheNuff I'm a Fan of TheNuff 6 fans permalink

Lets not even get into their tainted racist history.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:33 AM on 06/24/2008
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Social conservatives always feel free to judge.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:46 AM on 06/24/2008

Don't forget their even more recent acceptance of African-Americans into their congregations.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:53 AM on 06/24/2008
- DoAsISay I'm a Fan of DoAsISay 3 fans permalink

Man and Woman. Should'nt it be Man, and Woman, and Woman, and Woman.....­........ (just quoting Romney)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:09 AM on 06/24/2008
- Driver125 I'm a Fan of Driver125 5 fans permalink

See what happens? So now you're all confused. You threw away Rick Santorum, just when we could be benefiting from his 'unique' experience in these areas.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:24 AM on 06/24/2008
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