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Reid Won't Support FISA Compromise, At Odds With Obama

First Posted: 07/02/08 06:12 AM ET Updated: 05/25/11 01:35 PM ET

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Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid announced this evening that he will vote against the compromise FISA legislation and work with likeminded colleagues to strip immunity for telecom firms from that bill.

It is a position that puts the Democratic Senate leader at odds with his own party's presumptive presidential nominee, Barack Obama, who also has pledged to fight for the removal of immunity but will vote yes on the final package.

"I am not going to vote for the FISA bill," said the Nevada Democrat. "There are people, Mr. President, who have worked on this FISA matter for three months or more and again the administration worked with them. Did they, on the FISA bill, move enough to make me vote for the bill? The answer is no."

Reid's position seems, at this point, unlikely to change the contours of the debate. This past week, Democratic negotiators in the House and Senate came to an agreement to pass a sweeping overhaul of the nation's electronic surveillance laws, in the process granting conditional immunity for telecommunications companies who participated in the previously illegal program.

That update to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act passed the House by a vote of 293 to 129; the majority of the Democratic caucus voted nay.

On Wednesday, one of the FISA legislation's principle opponents, Russ Feingold, announced that he would try to use procedural measures to strip out the immunity provision.

"We are going to resist this bill," said the Wisconsin Democrat. "We are going to make sure that the procedural votes are gone through. In other words, a filibuster is requiring sixty votes to proceed to the bill, sixty votes to get cloture on the legislation. We will also--Senator Dodd and I and others will be taking some time to talk about this on the floor. We're not just going to let it be rubberstamped."

But the Senate has filed (and seems likely to pass) cloture on the FISA legislation and amendments to strip the bill of immunity would likely require 60 votes for passage, something that, with a divided Democratic caucus, almost certainly won't happen. As noted by Congressional Quarterly: "A similar amendment to a previous version of legislation overhauling the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA, PL 95-511) failed by a vote of 31-67 in February."

Reid's position is still a relatively bold political move. While Sen. Barack Obama has expressed reservations with the compromise (and supports an amendment stripping immunity from its language), he nevertheless said he would support the bill. That the Senate Majority Leader would willingly take a different stance from his party's presidential nominee is an indication of both the political pressures of the current election as well as the emotional divisiveness of the FISA battle.

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10:59 AM on 06/28/2008
I see that "Give 'em Hell" Harry Reid whom Huffpo claimed was against Obama's sellout ended up selling out too. I guess the telecoms upped his piece too along with Obama's. Doesn't matter anyway, as Pavlov dog progressives will vote for Obama even if he votes to bury Iraqis alive, claiming Obama's the lesser of the evils. At least the Right knows how to leverage their votes to get results. The Left simply sells out, acts like Pavlov's dogs to the Obamas of the world ringing the bell while these so-called progressives salivate their votes for funders of war crimes, like Obama. Then these Pavlovians attack those of us who won't vote for those who fund war crimes and who vote for immunity for corporate criminals for not getting their funder of war crimes and immunizers of corporate criminals and civil liberties tramplers elected. So long as cynical, lying, double-talking politicians like Obama know that progressives will vote for them so long as they have a "D" label, they'll always move to the right, as the right will not simply vote for people who betray their despicable principles while progressives will give up legitimate, significant, principle in a heartbeat.
12:34 PM on 06/26/2008
This should be a deal breaker for the Obama supporters. When Harry Reid appears to have more kahunas than Obama, you have to question your choice. Besides, this is the constitution. It's like how you all said you couldn't vote for Hill because of the war vote. Where are those high-minded principled people now?
01:37 PM on 06/26/2008
One of those supposedly high-minded, principled people was Keith Olbermann.

http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/06/26/olbermann/index.html

He's sold out too.
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09:38 AM on 06/26/2008
If Reid really wanted to stop the FISA capitulation, he could simply refuse to bring it up for a vote - it's his right as Senate Majority Leader to do so. But he won't do that - he'll bring it up for a vote and then vote against it knowing full well that it will pass without his support so he can "claim" he tried. The only people less competent than Harry Reid are those who believe his lies about how he is powerless to do anything.
09:37 AM on 06/26/2008
Give em hell harry! Now if Obama could just grow a pair I believe this could be a big win for him politically. Sadly though, in this country the only way to become a candidate is to already be a corporate tool. Barrack is loosing his luster more and more everyday. Why does'nt he support the impeachment of the worst traitor in history? His corparate masters simply won't allow it.
07:58 AM on 06/26/2008
My understanding is that he did not support the filibuster. I am not sure how strong his opposition to the bill really is.
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09:57 AM on 06/26/2008
Reid doesn't really oppose it - he just wants to be able to say he voted against it.
06:46 AM on 06/26/2008
as unconstitutional and illegal as this whole mess is, i can't help but wonder what the ramifications would have been for any telecom that refused to cooperate with bush and his minions --- does anybody know if there were any phone companies that did refuse to participate or at least put up any kind of serious resistance? --- are they still in business? --- i can well imagine bushco threatening dire consequences for any telecom that refused to cooperate ...
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07:41 AM on 06/26/2008
Quest, I believe
07:55 AM on 06/26/2008
Qwest did refuse and they lost govt contract consideration.
09:48 AM on 06/26/2008
Also, they then prosecuted Qwest's CEO when their financials sucked as a result, claiming that he had misinformed investors.
02:38 AM on 06/26/2008
I'm glad that Reid isn't going to vote for this bill. It would be even better if Obama would vote against it.
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09:58 AM on 06/26/2008
It would be even better if Reid refused to bring it up for a vote. As Senate Majority Leader he decides what does and doesn't get voted on. He's just playing politics when he says he opposes it.
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nualak
12:06 AM on 06/26/2008
I am so disappointed in Sen. Obama. He is falling in that deep hole that the Republicans have dug to scare any Democrat from standing up against the telecom companies. The Republicans have no fear, they continue to break the law day after day and don't give a damn, and not one of them has been brought to justice. They have been breaking the law on FISA for the past 10 month's and do you see them shivering and shaking when they are the ones who allowed 9/11 to happen. They were the ones who had the letter on their desks (of course, nobody saw it) stating that Osama bin Laden was determinted to hit the United States.
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11:46 PM on 06/25/2008
There is NO excuse for this. This bill must be stopped!
11:44 PM on 06/25/2008
By way of an update: Reid voted for cloture. That means, in practice, that he voted for the bill. By voting with the other 80, it is cleared to be voted on, he just needs to bring it to the floor (he is currently holding it hostage in a game of chicken with Republicans over a the housing bill). Then Reid, and some others, will vote against it in order to gain cheap political points on the backs of those who ACTUALLY oppose it, like Feingold.

So please stop this ridiculous adulation for Reid. I would have more respect for him if he just votes for the bill outright (because he voted for it de facto today) rather than voting "no" because he knows it will pass anyway, and it becomes a risk-free vote. Weak. Dishonest. You all say what you want about Obama, but at least he isn't hiding behind other Senators like a p-ssy.

Others who voted against cloture with Feingold: Boxer, Cantwell (good girl!) and Dodd. The rest of the list is posted elsewhere, but I think Wyden is on it too. Murray (my other Senator) is on the Dianne Feinstein express. She sucks.
01:10 AM on 06/26/2008
i knew if he was against it there was something up. we need to get rid of him .pelosi and hoyer.
11:31 PM on 06/25/2008
Thanks Reid........Too Little Too Late!

You'all handed it to BUSH-n-DICK once again!
01:11 AM on 06/26/2008
as usual.but obama being blamed
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10:00 AM on 06/26/2008
And where is Hillary? She is still a Senator isn't she?
11:31 PM on 06/25/2008
Reid talks big, but carries a wet noodle. He voted to end the filibuster on the bad FISA bill this afternoon. http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=110&session=2&vote=00158 .

By the way, Obama didn't bother voting, and neither did Clinton.
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MuchMadness
08:12 PM on 06/25/2008
This is a good thing. Congress needs to reassert its authority. It should announce that it has read the constitution and determined that the presidency is far less powerful than the presidential candidates (and most American citizens, who tend to be ignoramuses) believe.
06:29 PM on 06/25/2008
It's a miracle. Reid is growing a spine and is willing to put up a fight.
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06:31 PM on 06/25/2008
This is for show. He's already said he doesn't think they can strip immunity from the bill and he knows there are enough votes to pass it no matter how he votes. Harry is a fraud.
07:33 PM on 06/25/2008
That's what I was afraid of. I'd like to see some real opposition on this, not just a mock show.

And, it's not about suing the telecoms; it's about telling corporations that they can't break the law, even if the President says it's OK. They are acting illegally, as is the pResident.
11:53 PM on 06/25/2008
Yep, he was one of the 80 who voted for cloture, not the 15 who voted against. Now he can vote "no" in a risk free vote because he knows it will pass. The act he needed to commit to prove the existence of a spine was to vote with the 15, not the 80. And now he will hide behind Feingold et. al., because he is a weak a ss b itch.
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05:56 PM on 06/25/2008
The Democrats as a whole in Congress should have stepped up and said no to the FISA give away and the immunity for telecoms. The house threw in the towel and a few senators are making noise we have heard before but action is the thing we need to see now. It is time to stand up and say no. Barack might be thinking he can maybe fix it after he gets into office but what if?