Reid Won't Support FISA Compromise, At Odds With Obama

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First Posted: 06-24-08 08:35 PM   |   Updated: 07- 2-08 05:12 AM

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Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid announced this evening that he will vote against the compromise FISA legislation and work with likeminded colleagues to strip immunity for telecom firms from that bill.

It is a position that puts the Democratic Senate leader at odds with his own party's presumptive presidential nominee, Barack Obama, who also has pledged to fight for the removal of immunity but will vote yes on the final package.

"I am not going to vote for the FISA bill," said the Nevada Democrat. "There are people, Mr. President, who have worked on this FISA matter for three months or more and again the administration worked with them. Did they, on the FISA bill, move enough to make me vote for the bill? The answer is no."

Reid's position seems, at this point, unlikely to change the contours of the debate. This past week, Democratic negotiators in the House and Senate came to an agreement to pass a sweeping overhaul of the nation's electronic surveillance laws, in the process granting conditional immunity for telecommunications companies who participated in the previously illegal program.

That update to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act passed the House by a vote of 293 to 129; the majority of the Democratic caucus voted nay.

On Wednesday, one of the FISA legislation's principle opponents, Russ Feingold, announced that he would try to use procedural measures to strip out the immunity provision.

"We are going to resist this bill," said the Wisconsin Democrat. "We are going to make sure that the procedural votes are gone through. In other words, a filibuster is requiring sixty votes to proceed to the bill, sixty votes to get cloture on the legislation. We will also--Senator Dodd and I and others will be taking some time to talk about this on the floor. We're not just going to let it be rubberstamped."

But the Senate has filed (and seems likely to pass) cloture on the FISA legislation and amendments to strip the bill of immunity would likely require 60 votes for passage, something that, with a divided Democratic caucus, almost certainly won't happen. As noted by Congressional Quarterly: "A similar amendment to a previous version of legislation overhauling the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA, PL 95-511) failed by a vote of 31-67 in February."

Reid's position is still a relatively bold political move. While Sen. Barack Obama has expressed reservations with the compromise (and supports an amendment stripping immunity from its language), he nevertheless said he would support the bill. That the Senate Majority Leader would willingly take a different stance from his party's presidential nominee is an indication of both the political pressures of the current election as well as the emotional divisiveness of the FISA battle.

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid announced this evening that he will vote against the compromise FISA legislation and work with likeminded colleagues to strip immunity for telecom firms from that bil...
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid announced this evening that he will vote against the compromise FISA legislation and work with likeminded colleagues to strip immunity for telecom firms from that bil...
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- musselmanm I'm a Fan of musselmanm 21 fans permalink
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As an American proud to be a progressive patriot, and a strong supporter of the presidency of Senator Obama, I must say that Senator Obama's postion of the immunity for criminals may be the deal breaker for me. I will as of now, quit making donations to any candidates. I may resign as a worker for Senator Obama here in Greensboro.
I will never vote for more law breakers such as McBush so I guess I may join the Hillary supporters in not voting in our election. Dodd or Kucinich may just get my write in vote.
If Hillary votes for the immunity bill I will never send money to help retire her debt either.
I know my donations do not mean much but they are large when looking at my budget.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:42 AM on 06/25/2008

Oh that helps. Hey why don't lay on the floor and spin in a big tantrum. Probably get you the same results.

SITTING OUT IS NOT HELPING.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:48 AM on 06/25/2008

The election proce$$ in thi$ country doe$n't offer much in the way of alternative$.

Instead of juvenile retorts, how about addressing the issue. Your my-candidate-right-or-wrong attitude is precisely what got this country into the mess it's in today.

Loyalty before common sense always always always ends in disaster.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:59 AM on 06/25/2008
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Not you again. MM...read the facts. Senator Obama is going to fight to remove the immunity clause. But, wherever you want to GO or PLEDGE....DO SO!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:53 AM on 06/25/2008
- Barbyrah I'm a Fan of Barbyrah 13 fans permalink
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He's going to "fight"??? Uh, not exactly what he said. I believe he said he would "work" to see that portion of the clause removed, but regardless of the outcome...would still be voting for the bill. Not exactly the most principled or strongest stand I've ever seen...
P.S. There's more at stake here than just the immunity clause. So much more. Bottom line: An incredibly pandering-type bill. And an unconstitutional one.
Wishing you well.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:56 AM on 06/25/2008

I've not gone as far as you in terms of volunteering (had my heart ripped out once too often by hypocritical politicians... is that an oxymoron?), but I may ask for my donation back if I don't see a quick about turn from Senator Obama's campaign on:

1- clear caving on FISA bill
2- potential caving to the anti-Castro crazies in Miami
3- apparent caving to the Israel-is-always-righteous crazies at AIPAC
4- humiliating treatment of Muslim Americans and subsequently weak apology

I enlisted as a supporter because, like Michelle Obama, I felt, well, not proud, but at least no embarrassed about the direction of the country for the first time in many, many years.

Is this a case of the brass ring now putting Obama under control of Sauron?

I can easily stay home in November. Once again, it's a Democrat's election to lose.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:54 AM on 06/25/2008
- Zeje I'm a Fan of Zeje 9 fans permalink

The caving in to AIPAC did it for me. There will be no change in the White House.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:13 AM on 06/25/2008
- Gma11 I'm a Fan of Gma11 12 fans permalink

Hurray!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:38 AM on 06/25/2008
- musselmanm I'm a Fan of musselmanm 21 fans permalink
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Senator Obama, I, as do the vast majority of America think you are wrong to support the immunity bill for Telecoms. Not just telecoms but the Bush administration criminals that need to be prosecuted for both treason and civil rights vilations and war crimes and crimes against humanity. If we give up our
Constitution now, we may never get it back.
I am willing to go to war with my own country over this.
I am not advocating such. I would rather our government worked in the manner our forefathers intended. Benedict Arnold, John Wilkes Booth the Rosenburgs, Richard Nixon were never given immunity. Well, ok so Richard Nixon and Scooter Libby were given immunity. The point being that America and Americans were against immunity for crimes against our people and our country. We also did not give out much immunity to Japanese and German war crimes and criminals.
We need to fight the fight and never give up our forefathers ideals and attempts to establish a government by the people and for the people. Not for the power brokers and corporations.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:31 AM on 06/25/2008
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Please MM...get the facts!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:55 AM on 06/25/2008
- VivaZapata I'm a Fan of VivaZapata 64 fans permalink
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If he could only stand up to bush the way he can stand up to obama, we might have a real senate today.:)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:31 AM on 06/25/2008
- condew I'm a Fan of condew 12 fans permalink

With a Democratically controlled House and Senate, telecom immunity should never have seen the light of day. I believe Reid and Pelosi support immunity regardless of their public statements.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:25 AM on 06/25/2008
- lornejl I'm a Fan of lornejl 661 fans permalink
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Exactly.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:45 AM on 06/25/2008
- scooperss I'm a Fan of scooperss 75 fans permalink
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Of course and some voters didn't catch that and some did.

It's a game for politicians and the prize is keeping your seat regardless. reid undoubtedly knows the bill will pass with immunity easily so he can safely vote no and tell his people "well, I tried".
(SNORT)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:18 AM on 06/25/2008
- Lemeritus I'm a Fan of Lemeritus 110 fans permalink
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A couple of days ago, jackie4444 noted: "There's ZERO LEGITIMATE reason this bill needs to be rammed through 6 months before a major change in administration of the past 8 years."

I thought that was a striking observation then and I believe condew's comment is a fitting addendum now.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:53 AM on 06/25/2008

Plain and simply, Reid and many like him need to go. He is just one example of a leader that is so entrenched into the current warped political system that he does what is best for his own interest, before the best interests of the American people.

We need a new brand of political candidates who agree prior to being elected that they will agree in writing to a specific term limit. That is the only way we can make sure that people elected into office will do what is right for the country.

I know it is asking a lot for this to happen but maybe things will continue to deteriorate enough that such a movement will happen. Then again, Obama's presidency may help reverse this trend.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:25 AM on 06/25/2008

But if they are tying his hands now they will as President. It is time to throw all incumbents out. I listened to Joe Biden (whom I like) talk of legislation he passed in 78. 78.

This is why, you have many people saying OBama is not ready. Because he is not entrenched into the game yet. Doesn't know the back room hand shake yet.

We the people need to change the negotioations that goes on in backrooms, k street, flights to exotic places and hotel rooms.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:47 AM on 06/25/2008
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Left.... Amen. Your post hits it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:56 AM on 06/25/2008

So you're against Reid's opposition to telecom immunity? You prefer the big telecoms get a free pass on their violation of the Constitution? And you prefer he just shut up rather than challenge Obama's Beltway-Insider style decision?

Contradiction riddles your post.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:01 AM on 06/25/2008
- nitestik I'm a Fan of nitestik 2 fans permalink

I won't give up my civil rights for anyone or anything (least of all immunity from lawbreaking by gigantic multinational telecom corporations). Civil rights are guaranteed and therefore non-negotiable.

All you prove by your comment is that Ben Franklin was right: Those who would give up essential liberties for temorary safety [or food and an education] deserve neither.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:21 AM on 06/25/2008
- Chavez08 I'm a Fan of Chavez08 58 fans permalink
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Very slick game of "Good Cop, Bad Cop" guys. Very well played!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:20 AM on 06/25/2008
- lennix I'm a Fan of lennix 7 fans permalink

don't let this get in the way of us taken back the white house this is what the gop whats and we are about to give it to them again and some of these people on here are from the gop and what to keep this going so we can cut our legs off from under us not this time not this time

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:18 AM on 06/25/2008
- PAposter I'm a Fan of PAposter 142 fans permalink
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I agree, it's not as bad as it sounds, this is a GOP effort to move our focus off task.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:13 AM on 06/25/2008
- Barbyrah I'm a Fan of Barbyrah 13 fans permalink
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For some of us who had chosen to get involved in the political process once again after an absence of many years due to the devious, divisive, dishonest nature of "politics as usual"...it's not about the GOP vs. the Democrats.
It's about principled, visionary leadership that knows how to explain things in ways that help people understand what's really going on, and as a result, garners support for what may look like an unpopular position...but after "putting it out there" for all to see in full clarity, mobilizes a nation to do the right thing, to stand for the right thing.
Translate: Many of us came back into the process not to support a party. We came back in to support...a way of being that exemplifies how we wish to create a better world. Consequently, please consider: This ain't some GOP effort to create chaos. This is the Dems...wavering on whether or not they're actually going to be the "change" they've been talking about (Obama included).

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:06 AM on 06/25/2008
- PAposter I'm a Fan of PAposter 142 fans permalink
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". . . Democratic negotiators in the House and Senate came to an agreement to pass a sweeping overhaul of the nation's electronic surveillance laws, in the process granting conditional immunity for telecommunications companies who participated in the previously illegal program. . ."

2 things stand out here "previously ILLEGAL program" and "CONDITIONAL immunity", both of which allows for anyone who feels their Rights have been violated to file suit against the telecommunication company involved.

It is my opinion that the current outrage, should have been present at it's conception. For Reid to speak about the last 3 months, sound more like posturing than anything else. Could his position be in jeopardy?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:17 AM on 06/25/2008
- Phaedrus21 I'm a Fan of Phaedrus21 7 fans permalink

I don't think Obama is "at odds" with Reid.

There are several things to consider here:

1) Obama doesn't want to "lead the charge" and then be seen losing. That won't help his campaign. A smarter strategy would be to have someone else (such as Reid) lead the opposition against the bill while Obama offers "support". If the bill is defeated, Obama shares in the credit. If it's not defeated, it's Reid's "failure" and Obama can say that he did what he could.

2) At least for now, Reid is Obama's boss. Remember that Obama is a first-term junior Senator and is supposed to defer to the Senate leadership. Leading the Democrats in the Senate is Reid's job, not Obama's.

Is this terribly cynical? Perhaps. But I'd prefer a Democratic candidate who can think 2-3 steps ahead rather than a "babe in the woods" who will get pummeled by the Republicans in November.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:12 AM on 06/25/2008
- jackie4444 I'm a Fan of jackie4444 7 fans permalink

Congratulations to Sen. Reid. And to the Trial Lawyers Guild. Almost like you can hear Yankee Doodle playing somewhere in the background.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:09 AM on 06/25/2008

i'll give up my civil rights for food and a education

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:56 AM on 06/25/2008
- BigBen I'm a Fan of BigBen 4 fans permalink

Welcome to Nazi Germany greer8054. What sort of an education without civil rights?Without free speech? Without privacy?Without civil rights ?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:23 AM on 06/25/2008
- Pepper14 I'm a Fan of Pepper14 2 fans permalink

I am not going to send Obama another dime so he can stop sending me e-mails. Not only has he being going back on his word now he wants money to pay off Hillary's debt. He just isn't the person I thought he was. When you start playing both sides of the fence that is not leadership that is taking a page out of the Clinton playbook and going which ever way the wind is blowing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:55 AM on 06/25/2008
- MaeScott I'm a Fan of MaeScott 15 fans permalink
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Assault with a deadly Pepper!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:48 AM on 06/25/2008

He just asked you to send money you don't have too. He is already fighting HIllary supporters for not helping not he has to fight is supporters.

Everyone breathe, we have to find a common ground. If you don't like Hillary don't send money and it is illegal for him to give her money, so what did it hurt for him to ask. JUST SAY NO!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:54 AM on 06/25/2008

Just chill for a moment and see what he does. This isn't a done deal yet and his language makes me hope that he has something up his sleeve.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:40 AM on 06/25/2008

Reid, along with most of the Democrats, are just spineless weasels and my opinion won't change until the criminals Bush and Cheney are impeached.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:53 AM on 06/25/2008
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