Reid Won't Support FISA Compromise, At Odds With Obama

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First Posted: 06-24-08 08:35 PM   |   Updated: 07- 2-08 05:12 AM

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Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid announced this evening that he will vote against the compromise FISA legislation and work with likeminded colleagues to strip immunity for telecom firms from that bill.

It is a position that puts the Democratic Senate leader at odds with his own party's presumptive presidential nominee, Barack Obama, who also has pledged to fight for the removal of immunity but will vote yes on the final package.

"I am not going to vote for the FISA bill," said the Nevada Democrat. "There are people, Mr. President, who have worked on this FISA matter for three months or more and again the administration worked with them. Did they, on the FISA bill, move enough to make me vote for the bill? The answer is no."

Reid's position seems, at this point, unlikely to change the contours of the debate. This past week, Democratic negotiators in the House and Senate came to an agreement to pass a sweeping overhaul of the nation's electronic surveillance laws, in the process granting conditional immunity for telecommunications companies who participated in the previously illegal program.

That update to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act passed the House by a vote of 293 to 129; the majority of the Democratic caucus voted nay.

On Wednesday, one of the FISA legislation's principle opponents, Russ Feingold, announced that he would try to use procedural measures to strip out the immunity provision.

"We are going to resist this bill," said the Wisconsin Democrat. "We are going to make sure that the procedural votes are gone through. In other words, a filibuster is requiring sixty votes to proceed to the bill, sixty votes to get cloture on the legislation. We will also--Senator Dodd and I and others will be taking some time to talk about this on the floor. We're not just going to let it be rubberstamped."

But the Senate has filed (and seems likely to pass) cloture on the FISA legislation and amendments to strip the bill of immunity would likely require 60 votes for passage, something that, with a divided Democratic caucus, almost certainly won't happen. As noted by Congressional Quarterly: "A similar amendment to a previous version of legislation overhauling the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA, PL 95-511) failed by a vote of 31-67 in February."

Reid's position is still a relatively bold political move. While Sen. Barack Obama has expressed reservations with the compromise (and supports an amendment stripping immunity from its language), he nevertheless said he would support the bill. That the Senate Majority Leader would willingly take a different stance from his party's presidential nominee is an indication of both the political pressures of the current election as well as the emotional divisiveness of the FISA battle.

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid announced this evening that he will vote against the compromise FISA legislation and work with likeminded colleagues to strip immunity for telecom firms from that bil...
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid announced this evening that he will vote against the compromise FISA legislation and work with likeminded colleagues to strip immunity for telecom firms from that bil...
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- hugs4u I'm a Fan of hugs4u 12 fans permalink

Hary needs to just keep the bill from getting to the floor, which he can do as majority leader.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:51 AM on 06/25/2008
- Plowboy I'm a Fan of Plowboy 25 fans permalink

For once I agree with Reid! No compromise! No giving in to the criominal actions of the criminal president and his disgusting gang.
America has shamed herself far too much alreasdy by going along with that ugly bunch. It is well past time for us to stand up and say NO MORE.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:50 AM on 06/25/2008

Obama's position on this bill is an absolutely astonishing revelation, and is devastating to Democratic voters who were looking for someone to steer the Country back towards the Constitution. It also places at great peril the Independents who have also been looking to get back to a basic Constitutional Government.

His decision to support this bill will be very destructive to his base, and possibly allow McCain to win the Election.

Millions of Obama supporters are at a total loss for what has taken place. We feel bitterly betrayed, and apparently left with very little options at this point. Its either McCain or Obama. Reason says Obama. However his position on this bill leaves us with only one other option, and that is a box of ammo.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:40 AM on 06/25/2008
- juangault I'm a Fan of juangault 3 fans permalink

You've been fooled, spooled. Go ahead, it's your right to vote whoever you think represents your interests. The man you malign is trying to get the house in order. Save your ammo. This will be revisited. First, there is an election to be won. And speak for yourself. "Millions of supporters" is something a computer would kick out as a troller phrase. Still undone by Hillary's loss?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:19 AM on 06/25/2008
- MaeScott I'm a Fan of MaeScott 15 fans permalink
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Here's your marching orders, Spooled.

http://camille424.wordpress.com/

"Don’t let this opportunity pass!! This is the first sign of serious unease we have seen in some of the hardcore BOts... help them leave the empty suit behind. Get out on the news sites and blogs, including "in the tank for BO" blogs you normally avoid (Daily KOS, Huffpoo, etc), and use these recent decisions as a great argument for walking away from BO. I suggest you don’t call anyone idiots for their former support of *61 (BO), but instead help them see they have options. BO’s positions on public financing and FISA should upset them! It should disappoint them! It should scare them! "

NOT. FAIL.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:45 AM on 06/25/2008
- rhettab I'm a Fan of rhettab 7 fans permalink

Obama needs to win in November and by looking weak (altho he's not) on national security he'll get hammered by all the right wing news and his opponent. The media will be in their corner as usual so it'll be a huge issue with voters - or so they'll think. Let's let him win and then start criticizing him and telling him what decisions he needs to make. He may still end up not voting for it - let's wait and see.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:32 AM on 06/25/2008
- Heidfeld I'm a Fan of Heidfeld 11 fans permalink

Wait and see what? How much he will betray the Democratic party once he is actually in office and it is too late to stop him?

Obama stinks like Joe Liberman right now, and his prior support for Liberman is now all the more telling.

This man has very little track record by which to judge him, and so decisions like this are all the more significant. Two weeks after becoming the presumptive nominee and he has already turned his back on the party, and gone back on his word twice (public financing of campaigns). Not a good trend.

August awaits, and so do Hillary and Biden.

Joe Biden, at this stage, is a sure winner. He has widespread appeal and all the dirt from the primary flew right over his head. Biden beats McCain by 20 points, no doubt about it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:32 AM on 06/25/2008
- AnotherTry I'm a Fan of AnotherTry 61 fans permalink
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Who does Mr. obama appeal to by taking this position?

No one I want to be asssociated with.

http://www.youtube.com/user/msbuch72

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:31 AM on 06/25/2008

Then he probably shouldn't have let it go to the floor...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:30 AM on 06/25/2008
- arvay I'm a Fan of arvay 140 fans permalink
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I say this as a strong Obama supporter who's sent money.

Supporting this domestic spy legislation is a very serious error on Obama's part. Making unconstitutional searches legal mutilates the Constitution.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:29 AM on 06/25/2008
- Harrygton I'm a Fan of Harrygton 3 fans permalink

One of those TELCOs must have something BIG on Obama that he would do anything to keep quiet!!!!
That's the only plausible explanation for this! I mean this is ludicrous, Reid trumps Obama in the guts department!?!?!? Wouldn't it be an amazing turn of events if Hillary also opposed the bill... it's like Pizarro World!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:28 AM on 06/25/2008
- Heidfeld I'm a Fan of Heidfeld 11 fans permalink

Maybe the evidence that those phone numbers that the crazy gay guy claims were Obama's.... were actually Obama's? Hmmmm.....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:27 AM on 06/25/2008
- bigfro I'm a Fan of bigfro 11 fans permalink

This man Reid is the biggest push over I've ever seen. He must go. Obama can't afford having someone so spineless and cowardly.

Replace Reid and Pelosi with some Dems with some guts

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:27 AM on 06/25/2008

Uh, folks before you go dogging Obama, where was all this outrage when the wiretapping was actually being done over the las 6 to 7 years. America sat back and let Bush do what he wanted to do, their was not out cry when we already knew this was gonna happen and did happen. No one marched on the Capitol to make their voices heard, we didnt come together and make noise like we're trying to do now. A poster above maybe correct about him wanting to support the Bill for the education of our Troops when they come home, the question should be why is that even part of this Bill, sounds more like a GOP trick to get everyone to support the Bill. So what Harry Reid is doing is a good thing, Obama can't go against the Bill for the troops, and can't look weak on security, like someone said before the Bill will go to Supreme Court and it won't stand but the troops will get what they need, and that's what matters.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:25 AM on 06/25/2008
- JDHART I'm a Fan of JDHART 6 fans permalink

Look at Harry breaking bad. He's scary.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:09 AM on 06/25/2008

No excuses, no stunts. The Dems need 41 votes to stop this by supporting the Feingold/Dodd filibuster. No "I voted against it before I vote for it." No "I supported the compromise". Just say no to "Trample on the Constitution 4 (Patriot Act, was 1, Military Commissions Act was 2 and Protect America Act was 3). If we can't get 41 votes against it, then it's not worth electing Democrats as they're collaborators with Bush's efforts to trample on the Contsitution -- and that includes Obama. We don't need a smarter Bush -- we need a leader who truly intends to change the direction of the country.

Any Democratic Senator who does not support the filibuster is not worth voting for.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:00 AM on 06/25/2008
- piul05 I'm a Fan of piul05 59 fans permalink
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I second that.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:44 AM on 06/25/2008
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I 3rd that

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:54 AM on 06/25/2008
- theone718 I'm a Fan of theone718 23 fans permalink
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What in the world is wrong with the democratic party, you have the leaders at odds with one another, someone needs to take control AND FAST.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:46 AM on 06/25/2008
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I think that debate is healthy for the Republic. At least the democrats seem to all agree on stripping the immunity out of the bill. Now there is the point where they can come together.
I fully expect the regressive minded republicans to use the stall tactics we have seen to block anything that does not contain immunity. By doing so the republicans would be painting themselves into a corner, as they are trying to say it's the democrats that are putting politics over security. This would show them to be the lying hyennas they really are. It's the republicans unholy affair with Big Business that threatens our security, and our civil liberties. Why would they stop the Fisa bill which they claim is sooo neccesary to fight terror because one of their "clients" (for lack of a better word) is going to have to face the music? I think it's a good move.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:21 AM on 06/25/2008

The democrats won't change until you and your friends stop voting for them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:53 AM on 06/25/2008
- daddydamon I'm a Fan of daddydamon 3 fans permalink

I just sent Obama $25. What they haven't put out there in their attempts to smear Obama is that in the same bill there is a provision to provide college money for returning vets. This is the part of the bill that our dear, compassionate president didn't want to sign. Obama took it on the chin in regard to the telecoms as a compromise so Our Dear Leader Bush would sign it. So what? There is now money for our brave soldiers to use to go to college so they won't have to risk their lives to put food on their tables. Stop believing what you're told and READ THE BILL. Jeez.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:36 AM on 06/25/2008
- scooperss I'm a Fan of scooperss 77 fans permalink
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I think you're wrong. The veteran's bill is in the supplemental war funding and not the FISA. Unless they've decided (and haven't announced yet which is possible) that they're going to bundle the two into one bill in order to try to fool voters like you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:18 AM on 06/25/2008
- 111 I'm a Fan of 111 34 fans permalink

College money to returning vets is not enough to permit criminals to have immunity and for our government to continue to spying on us without cause.

Your reasoning sells out the very people you are saying it helps because without our basic freedoms there is no USA.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:47 AM on 06/25/2008

I'll give up my civil rights for food and a education

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:56 AM on 06/25/2008
- Barbyrah I'm a Fan of Barbyrah 13 fans permalink
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A total politically-motivated decision. Here's an idea: How about voting the bill down and proposing the college money...in a new bill? (Or...er...didn't the Webb bill already pass, anyway?) Otherwise, it's a clear, clear cover-your-butt tactic: "Hey, gang, look, I couldn't POSSIBLY vote against vets' college money, so of course I HAD to vote in favor of the other stuff that was attached...like, well, um, how about immunity for telecoms, how about warrantless data mining sweeps on American citizens, how about allowing the gov't to collect - and KEEP - any data obtained by a warrantless wiretap as it makes its way through the courts in an appeals process... even if the court ends up deeming such a wiretap as illegal...
P.S. I guess we cancelled each other out: I stopped sending him $25.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:37 AM on 06/25/2008
- scooperss I'm a Fan of scooperss 77 fans permalink
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Comparing Democrats' Votes (March 14th and June 20th votes):

Verizon, AT&T, and Sprint gave PAC contributions averaging:

$8,359 to each Democrat who changed their position to support immunity for Telcos (94 Dems)
$4,987 to each Democrat who remained opposed to immunity for Telcos (116 Dems)

88 percent of the Dems who changed to supporting immunity (83 Dems of the 94) received PAC contributions from Verizon, AT&T, or Sprint during the last three years (Jan. 2005-Mar. 2008). See below for list of these 94 Dems.

All House Members (June 20th vote:)
Verizon, AT&T, and Sprint gave PAC contributions averaging:

$9,659 to each member of the House voting "YES" (105-Dem, 188-Rep)
$4,810 to each member of the House voting "NO" (128-Dem, 1-Rep)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:35 AM on 06/25/2008
- peacekitten I'm a Fan of peacekitten 670 fans permalink
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corporations should be banned from contributing to political campaigns, period.

contrary to what scalia thinks, they are not corporate "persons." that misconception has been artfully manipulated over the decades to the detriment of our society. it was a phrase used in a headnote in an 1886 railroad case. the headnote was written by a CLERK, and the phrase was NEVER used by any justice who ruled on that case.

and money isn't speech, either. again, an idea championed by a certifiable lunatic named scalia, who belongs in an impeachment trial, just before his removal for incompetence.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:49 AM on 06/25/2008
- Clairvaux I'm a Fan of Clairvaux 114 fans permalink
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Amen, and amen --

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:32 AM on 06/25/2008
- scooperss I'm a Fan of scooperss 77 fans permalink
    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:58 AM on 06/25/2008
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