Ralph Nader, Who Asked You?

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First Posted: 06-25-08 07:47 PM   |   Updated: 07- 3-08 05:12 AM

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Ralph Nader

Back in Feburary, Ralph Nader suddenly announced his candidacy for the presidency. He went on Meet The Press, did the cable rounds. Then he slunk back into obscurity, because no one had really missed him and he didn't really add to the proceedings.

Now, months later, he's back, and has a beef with Barack Obama. Apparently he thinks Obama is trying to "talk white" and is playing to "white guilt" and trying not to "threaten the white power structure." Nader, who as MSNBC's First Read points out received less than 0.5% of the vote in 2004, has been widely resented by Democrats since the 2000 election, when he pulled enough votes from Al Gore to have arguably tipped the electoral balance.

The self-styled 'anti-corporate' third-party candidate is also apparently an expert on what a black American presidential candidate should be. This can be gleaned from his statement asserting that "[T]he number one thing that a black American politician aspiring to the presidency should be is to candidly describe the plight of the poor, especially in the inner cities and the rural areas." I'm not exactly sure how this could have been achieved by "coming on as black is beautiful, black is powerful" — something else he accuses Obama of not doing — but he doesn't elaborate there.

Leave aside for a moment how appalling it is for him to accuse a bi-racial American, famously the son of one white and one black parent, but also famously regarded as African American, as in the first-ever African American nominee for the presidency, as trying to "talk white"; leaving aside how he could have possibly thought his attack would not be perceived as a racial one; leaving aside how random and uncalled for those comments were, here's the thing: Who cares what Nader thinks?

It's what I wondered back in February: Who wanted him to run? Where was the demand? Who had been clamoring for Ralph Nader? As someone who is pretty engaged in watching the process, I didn't see it. Months, umpteen primaries and millions of votes later, I still don't.

That was for running for president — an office to which Nader has long aspired, with increasingly less support, but still, he did have some. But in this context it's hard to take his remarks seriously — it would be fair to critique Obama's platforms and policies on the merits without bringing race into it. But he did bring race into it, and his remarks are nothing short of smear. Never mind that his credibility is significantly affected by his own aspirations, and his seeming lack of interest in truly contributing positively to this process.

I'm sorry, where was the Ralph Nader photo op stuffing sandbags in Iowa? More generally, where has Ralph Nader been really on anything? Again, perhaps I've missed it — and it's possible — but I haven't seen him really doing much to actively try to effect change himself over the course of this election, other than wave his arms on the sidelines a bit. As an anti-poverty advocate, he could have done more for John Edwards other than start an exploratory committee the day after he dropped out, but even so, there are plenty of ways to draw attention to your issue if you are committed and passionate. There was a long period while watchers were waiting for Edwards to endorse Obama, and he could have used that time to highlight the policy differences between the two on poverty.

Yes, there's much that Nader could have done to draw attention to poverty issues — like be right. As it happens, Obama does have poverty positions — see here, subdivided for urban and rural areas. But that's actually not even the point. The point is, he lost any and all credibility the instant he dragged race into it, impugning not only Obama's worth as a black candidate but his "blackness" — an old and tired argument that I'd hoped we'd done away with a year ago. I mean, sheesh.

The sad thing is that Nader has an amazing record, 2000 and these comments aside, and is responsible for a whole lot of positive change thanks to his efforts as a consumer advocate. It's something that even Obama was gracious enough to acknowledge, saying "it's a shame, because if you look at his legacy... it's an extraordinary one." But though his stated goal of attacking poverty and helping disenfranchised black Americans may be noble, his methods of getting there are anything but.

Nader is as entitled as anyone else to speak out about this election and to flag the issues that he thinks are being overlooked — even if no one has actually asked him. But let's face it: This isn't helping. And it adds to a now well-established legacy of not helping. That's Nader's other legacy — and you know what? No one's asking for that, either.

Back in Feburary, Ralph Nader suddenly announced his candidacy for the presidency. He went on Meet The Press, did the cable rounds. Then he slunk back into obscurity, because no one had really missed ...
Back in Feburary, Ralph Nader suddenly announced his candidacy for the presidency. He went on Meet The Press, did the cable rounds. Then he slunk back into obscurity, because no one had really missed ...
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Ralph Nader is as relevant to the discussion as Ralph Kramden, former Brooklyn bus driver and Alice's husband. His analysis of the Obama campaign is as sophisticated as Achmadinijad's (no one actually spells his name correctly) and as downright racist as Archie Bunker. What old man Nader wants is too keep blacks in their place - they can rant and rave, but when they sound like the president of Harvard Law Review and speak openly and honestly to the entire electorate - Kansas included - they're stepping out of line.

The line no longer exists - we now realize that the brightest kid on the block may also have the best 3-point shot and also get the hottest chick.

Maybe Ralph should actually be advising McCain - they both are prisoners of an old set of "convention wisdoms" an cliches which have been thrown overboard this election cycle.

Ralphie: sit on your porch and drink your tea - politics has changed while you were taking your Flomax pills, and "it's no country for old men".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:39 AM on 06/26/2008

"There's only one thing different about Barack Obama when it comes to being a Democratic presidential candidate. He's half African-American," Nader said in what the Denver newspaper described as a wide-ranging interview. "Whether that will make any difference, I don't know. I haven't heard him have a strong crackdown on economic exploitation in the ghettos. Payday loans, predatory lending, asbestos, lead. What's keeping him from doing that? Is it because he wants to talk white?"

Nader added: "I mean, first of all, the number one thing that a black American politician aspiring to the presidency should be [doing] is to candidly describe the plight of the poor, especially in the inner cities and the rural areas. . . . Haven't heard a thing.

"He wants to show that he is not . . . another politically threatening African-American politician," Nader said. "He wants to appeal to white guilt. You appeal to white guilt not by coming on as, 'black is beautiful, black is powerful.' Basically he's coming on as someone who is not going to threaten the white power structure, whether it's corporate or whether it's simply oligarchic. And they love it. Whites just eat it up."

Pretty much right on the money in my opinion.

Nader is one smart man who knows what's happening in this country. A true non-politician candidate. He's what we need for America.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:14 AM on 06/26/2008
- jsinclair I'm a Fan of jsinclair 14 fans permalink

"Black is beautiful." How very 70's of him.

"Yo, Ralph! What's up my brother? Let's go and stick it to the man!"

Ralph's understanding of African Americans in 2008 (or the American public in general) is about as insightful and relevant as Mortimer Snerd.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:38 PM on 06/26/2008
- robbie I'm a Fan of robbie 4 fans permalink

"Yo, Ralph! What's up my brother? Let's go and stick it to the man!"

Could you be any more racist?

Oh, and by the way, you're provng Ralph's point. Obama is trying to assuage the racists in the electorate by not appearing to be a black American. This is "talking white"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:47 PM on 06/26/2008
- sufi66 I'm a Fan of sufi66 30 fans permalink
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Exactly

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:47 PM on 06/26/2008
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Spoken like a true Republican - signing Nader on to the ballet, supporting him with $$$, all in a vain attempt to try to game the system because he knows the ideas of his own party just won't do on their own.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:52 PM on 06/26/2008

If Nader had done his homework, he'd know that Obama actually has spoken about these "black" issues, at some length.

And Nader would have a lot more credibility if he took steps to forward his agenda in the off-seasons--like, say, shoring up or actually leading a Progressive party with a snowflake's chance in hell of being taken seriously. But instead, he crawls out every four years to mount a vanity candidacy and attack Democrats.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:58 PM on 06/26/2008
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Arglebargle would have a lot more credibility if he didn't repeat the lazy, ignorant myth that Nader only "crawls out" in election years. He's made a relentless incessant effort to promote his agenda during off-years: see for example his many articles at http://www.counterpunch.org

That the MSM carefully avoids reporting on Nader during the off-years is scarcely his own fault. But it's "Blame the victim" time.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:05 PM on 06/26/2008
- Whys I'm a Fan of Whys permalink

Audioslave,

You could have a point, but that's an awful lot of explain'n to do.

Perhaps Nader could have said it better, the FIRST time. Perhaps he could have helped himself by focusing on the real issues, rather than making presumptions over what someone with darker skin should care about. It wasn't necessary, and it was racist. Perhaps Nader isn't an everyday racist, but Don Imus couldn't of done a much better job of stepping in it. The shear weight of your rebuttal gives evidence to this fact.

The issue is poverty, inequality, and loss of democracy. Stick to the issue.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:56 AM on 06/26/2008

PART 4

Nader disagreed with Edwards on a number of positions, and disagrees with the Democratic Party as a whole. Why would he try to support Edwards? Nader only formed an exploratory committee after Edwards dropped out because Nader thought Edwards would be OK and would create some positive change, but then he dropped out.

Nader has been highlighting policy differences between the two on poverty... and a dozen other issues. The MSM hasn't run a story on it, so you haven't heard about it. That doesn't mean it's not happening. You could check his interviews, his website, or simply non-MSM news outlets.

Just because Obama "has a poverty position" does not answer Nader's claims. Obama isn't giving speeches about it. He's not doing anything beyond putting a page on his website. Seriously? I could just put a page on the internet saying that poor people should be helped and it's okay when I don't give a second thought to the millions of people suffering every moment?

I understand that Nader was a wonderful scapegoat for 2000. I understand that Obama looks and sounds better. But could we bring logic and common sense into the political sphere? Could we use our brains? Please?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:27 AM on 06/26/2008
- Dustee I'm a Fan of Dustee 60 fans permalink
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****"The sad thing is that Nader has an amazing record, 2000 and these comments aside, and is responsible for a whole lot of positive change thanks to his efforts as a consumer advocate. It's something that even Obama was gracious enough to acknowledge, saying "it's a shame, because if you look at his legacy... it's an extraordinary one." ****

Nader was good for his time, but "America, this is our time"!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:45 AM on 06/26/2008
- JimR I'm a Fan of JimR 38 fans permalink

"could we bring logic and common sense into the political sphere? Could we use our brains?"

But... but it's more fun to be hypersenstive and react with OUTRAGE without taking facts into consideration!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:31 PM on 06/26/2008

PART 2

Did anyone listen to Obama's speech on race? Beyond his great skills as an orator, he also had a great message. His message was conversation, discussion, debate. Accusing Nader of being racist is what Obama wouldn't want; instead of an open discussion, these accusations of racism are close minded and ignorant.

Nader's comments about the white power structure are simply true. White power structures dominate corporations and government and there are gaps between races because of racism even today. But Obama is in a remarkable situation. He is a not-100%-white person who is likely going to win the presidency. He has the knowledge and experience to recognize social gaps caused by racism. He has the chance to make true change in this country. He has the opportunity to be a great President. But he's not doing anything remarkable. Instead of pointing out racial inequalities, he's pledging unwavering support of Israel and signing the FISA bill.

If you can get beyond the two words that you quote from Nader and hunt down the entire segment, you'll see that Nader was talking about Obama's unique situation. Nader was commenting on current race relations, where people like Jesse Jackson are "too black." Nader was pointing out that Obama is trying to move away from the wonderful stories he told in his books to a corporate lapdog.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:27 AM on 06/26/2008

PART 1

Ralph Nader didn't "add to the proceedings"? Well he's the only candidate that would take nuclear energy off the table, promotes a single payer truly universal healthcare system, wants to open up Presidential debates beyond the two parties who sponsor their own "debates," supports a carbon tax, promotes repealing the Taft-Hartley anti-union law, wants a Wall Street securities speculation tax, supports ending ballot obstructionism, and, oh yeah, isn't a slave to corporations.

These are positions that most people support, and the two major parties don't. How is that not something to "add to the proceedings"?

Also, Nader is polling at 5% for November, so there is a decent sized demand. Pretty remarkable number for someone who has been excluded from the main stream media and slammed by Democrats at any possible turn.

Also, over a dozen other candidates had enough votes in Florida to "tip" the elections. And Gore wasn't entitled to those votes. And Nader drew 40% of his Florida votes from Republicans. And not to mention the thousands of African American voters who suddenly weren't allowed to vote who probably would have voted for Gore.

To try and remove race entirely from everything is ignorant. Yes, one day a colorblind world will be the best option, but when racism is still occurring everyday and affects every person's life, just turning away, covering your ears, and saying "nah nah nah nah nah" isn't going to cut it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:26 AM on 06/26/2008

PART 3

You're upset with Nader because he wasn't photo opping in Iowa? You're upset with a person for not getting in the way in a flood area? Seriously? I live in Nebraska, and have been volunteering in Iowa, and everytime a politician comes by to "help out," it makes things worse because they're dead weight and so are the press that follow them.

Your entire essay is based on the premise that you haven't seen anything. You go as far as to say that yeah, maybe you've missed things. You have. I'm willing to bet that you don't try to search out news, but merely rely on the main stream media. How is it possible for him to attempt to "effect change" when he's fighting to get on the ballot in states and the MSM won't say anything about him?

Oh yeah, by the way, Nader has helped stage multiple protests in Washington D.C., including outside of the NHTSA because of an unsafe policy they were passing... DURING HIS CAMPAIGN! Let's see Obama do anything like that.

Oh yeah, by the way, Nader created more positive change than either mainstream candidate.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:25 AM on 06/26/2008

"Your entire essay is based on the premise that you haven't seen anything."

And Nader's doddering remarks are based on the premise that HE hasn't seen anything respecting Obama's poverty agenda. Your defense of Nader is based on the premise that YOU haven't seen anything.

Still and yet, Obama's poverty agenda exists, and he has spoken about it at length. Be mindful of your own myopia before pointing others' out to them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:02 PM on 06/26/2008
- Whys I'm a Fan of Whys permalink

"Obama's abstract campaign has been illusional and irresponsible when it comes to avoiding concrete policies that truly defend and empower the 100 million Americans living in poverty or near poverty." -- Nader

That's all you really needed to say. As for the rest...

Since when did Nader become the judge of what a black man should care about? Since when does skin color allow any of use to make such presumptions?

I like you Nader, but the rest was racist.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:35 AM on 06/26/2008

"I like you Nader, but the rest was racist."

Talking about race is not racist. What racist idelogy was he spewing? What racist term did he apply to Obama? NONE. That's why it wasn't racist.

Race relations is complicated in America and if you dismiss his comments like you did then we will never have real discussions on race in this country. Which is exactly how politicians, LIKE OBAMA (yes, he is a politician), want it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:18 AM on 06/26/2008
- LABC I'm a Fan of LABC 9 fans permalink

Instead of launching into a dismissive attack, you might want to understand how it would feel to an african american who has achieved much and is well educated to be called "acting" or "speaking white". I looked up "achievement" and it does not have any reference as to color being the barometer. It is insulting to have our achievements being derided as "acting white". Maybe if you had some friends of color, you would understand how offensive that term is. What surprises me is that I have heard this term from black youth and it is something we fight against in our community - the dumbing down of expectations. THAT is why Nader's comments were insulting.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:15 PM on 06/26/2008

Are you on crack? "Acting white" isn't racist? Meet me in Brooklyn, I have a bridge I want to sell you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:30 PM on 06/26/2008
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BufordTvoter: "Talking about race is not racist. What racist idelogy was he spewing? What racist term did he apply to Obama? NONE. That's why it wasn't racist."

Wrong. It was racist to admonish a Black man running for president of the UNITED States for not staying in his place.
It is the very height of arrogance and, yes, racism, to take him to task for not "sticking with his own kind", accuse him trying to "talk white" because he addresse the problems of this country affecting all people.
Just for a moment, imagine Barack Obama campaigning as the president who is going to fix the problems of Black people....And see how far he would get.
I am Black and would not, repeat not, vote for a president who promised to fix the problems of just Black people.
Finally, gas prices, this misbegotten war, food prices are not exclusively White problems any more than lead paint and payday lending scams are exclusively Black problems.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:33 PM on 06/26/2008

Back in D.C. in the 1970s, I held Ralph Nader as my hero. As a founding member of the Maryland Citizens Consumer Council, I was very aware that this grassroots effort was successful only because of Nader's work and also that of his band merry men and women working the same fields.

Recently, I have had to make a leap--that I was loathe to do--into another mindset altogether in order to make sense of Ralphie. Has he grown a crust? Have his ideas narrowed? Is he stuck?

He is too fine a person to ignore. Yet like all of us he also has his own story--a private one--and I just have to believe that some personal demon is advising him these days.

Sure miss you, Ralph . . .

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:26 AM on 06/26/2008
- robbie I'm a Fan of robbie 4 fans permalink

Actually, Nader has been the same throughout his life of working to better the lives of average Americans. It's YOU that has changed. Dems, liberals, moderates, conservatives...all sorts of people are desperate for the change that Obama purports to represent. You can't see the forest for the trees because you won't. Anything outside the "Obama must be elected" parameter is unacceptable to you, and to anyone else who seeks to disagree with Nader when what he says is the truth.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:54 PM on 06/26/2008
- marko77 I'm a Fan of marko77 32 fans permalink

robbie: Nader helped elect W Bush and all Republicans love it whenever he sticks his head above ground. End of story.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:24 PM on 06/26/2008
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