Supreme Court Upholds Right To Own Guns For Self-Defense

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MARK SHERMAN | June 26, 2008 11:13 PM EST | AP

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Jeff Gildersleeve adjusts the sight on a Glock Model 27 .40-caliber handgun at B & J Guns in Colonie, N.Y., Thursday, June 26, 2008. The Supreme Court ruled Thursday that Americans have a constitutional right to keep guns in their homes for self-defense, the justices' first major pronouncement on gun control in U.S. history. (AP Photo/Mike Groll)

WASHINGTON — Silent on central questions of gun control for two centuries, the Supreme Court found its voice Thursday in a decision affirming the right to have guns for self-defense in the home and addressing a constitutional riddle almost as old as the republic over what it means to say the people may keep and bear arms.

The court's 5-4 ruling struck down the District of Columbia's ban on handguns and imperiled similar prohibitions in other cities, Chicago and San Francisco among them. Federal gun restrictions, however, were expected to remain largely intact.

The court's historic awakening on the meaning of the Second Amendment brought a curiously mixed response, muted in some unexpected places.

The reaction broke less along party lines than along the divide between cities wracked with gun violence and rural areas where gun ownership is embedded in daily life. Democrats have all but abandoned their long push for stricter gun laws at the national level after deciding it's a losing issue for them. Republicans welcomed what they called a powerful precedent.

Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama, straddling both sides of the issue, said merely that the court did not find an unfettered right to bear arms and that the ruling "will provide much-needed guidance to local jurisdictions across the country." But another Chicagoan, Democratic Mayor Richard Daley, called the ruling "very frightening" and predicted more violence and higher taxes to pay for extra police if his city's gun restrictions are lost.

Republican presidential candidate John McCain welcomed the ruling as "a landmark victory for Second Amendment freedom."

The court had not conclusively interpreted the Second Amendment since its ratification in 1791. The amendment reads: "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."

The basic issue for the justices was whether the amendment protects an individual's right to own guns no matter what, or whether that right is somehow tied to service in a state militia, a once-vital, now-archaic grouping of citizens. That's been the heart of the gun control debate for decades.

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Writing for the majority, Justice Antonin Scalia said an individual right to bear arms exists and is supported by "the historical narrative" both before and after the Second Amendment was adopted.

President Bush said: "I applaud the Supreme Court's historic decision today confirming what has always been clear in the Constitution: the Second Amendment protects an individual right to keep and bear firearms."

The full implications of the decision, however, are not sorted out. Still to be seen, for example, is the extent to which the right to have a gun for protection in the home may extend outside the home.

Scalia said the Constitution does not permit "the absolute prohibition of handguns held and used for self-defense in the home." The court also struck down D.C. requirements that firearms be equipped with trigger locks or kept disassembled, but left intact the licensing of guns. The district allows shotguns and rifles to be kept in homes if they are registered, kept unloaded and taken apart or equipped with trigger locks.

Scalia noted that the handgun is Americans' preferred weapon of self-defense in part because "it can be pointed at a burglar with one hand while the other hand dials the police."

But he said nothing in the ruling should "cast doubt on long-standing prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons or the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings."

In a concluding paragraph to the 64-page opinion, Scalia said the justices in the majority "are aware of the problem of handgun violence in this country" and believe the Constitution "leaves the District of Columbia a variety of tools for combating that problem, including some measures regulating handguns."

D.C. Mayor Adrian Fenty responded with a plan to require residents to register their handguns. "More handguns in the District of Columbia will only lead to more handgun violence," Fenty said.

In a dissent he summarized from the bench, Justice John Paul Stevens wrote that the majority "would have us believe that over 200 years ago, the Framers made a choice to limit the tools available to elected officials wishing to regulate civilian uses of weapons."

He said such evidence "is nowhere to be found."

Justice Stephen Breyer wrote a separate dissent in which he said, "In my view, there simply is no untouchable constitutional right guaranteed by the Second Amendment to keep loaded handguns in the house in crime-ridden urban areas."

Joining Scalia were Chief Justice John Roberts and Justices Samuel Alito, Anthony Kennedy and Clarence Thomas. The other dissenters were Justices Ruth Bader Ginsburg and David Souter.

Gun rights advocates praised the decision. "I consider this the opening salvo in a step-by-step process of providing relief for law-abiding Americans everywhere that have been deprived of this freedom," said Wayne LaPierre, executive vice president of the National Rifle Association.

The NRA will file lawsuits in San Francisco, Chicago and several Chicago suburbs challenging handgun restrictions there based on Thursday's outcome.

Some Democrats also welcomed the ruling.

"This opinion should usher in a new era in which the constitutionality of government regulations of firearms are reviewed against the backdrop of this important right," said Sen. Patrick Leahy of Vermont.

The capital's gun law was among the nation's strictest.

Dick Anthony Heller, 66, an armed security guard, sued the district after it rejected his application to keep a handgun at his Capitol Hill home a short distance from the Supreme Court.

"I'm thrilled I am now able to defend myself and my household in my home," Heller said shortly after the opinion was announced.

The U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia ruled in Heller's favor and struck down the district's handgun ban, saying the Constitution guarantees Americans the right to own guns and a total prohibition on handguns is not compatible with that right.

The issue caused a split within the Bush administration. Vice President Dick Cheney supported the appeals court ruling, but others in the administration feared it could lead to the undoing of other gun regulations, including a federal law restricting sales of machine guns. Other laws keep felons from buying guns and provide for an instant background check.

The last Supreme Court ruling on the matter came in 1939 in U.S. v. Miller, which involved a sawed-off shotgun. Constitutional scholars agree it did not squarely answer the question of individual versus collective rights.

The case is District of Columbia v. Heller, 07-290.

WASHINGTON — Silent on central questions of gun control for two centuries, the Supreme Court found its voice Thursday in a decision affirming the right to have guns for self-defense in the home ...
WASHINGTON — Silent on central questions of gun control for two centuries, the Supreme Court found its voice Thursday in a decision affirming the right to have guns for self-defense in the home ...
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- condew I'm a Fan of condew 12 fans permalink

So the trap for Democrats is set. Next will be a long line of gun control advocates cornering Obama to ask if he supports gun control. If he answers yes, all his efforts to woo rural voters will be cancelled in a single word. If he answers no, the left wing of the Democratic party will stay home.

This ruling is no more an accident than the recent ruling in California to allow gay marriage. That's 2 of the 3 "God, Guns, and Gays" that turns out the conservative base.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:18 PM on 06/26/2008

I don't like guns. Outlaw them!

I don't like fatty foods. Get rid of 'em!

I don't like words that may "offend" me. Restrict 'em!

I don't like people I decide are "racist". Get them fired!

I don't like cigarettes. Make them go away!

I don't like radio shows that I don't agree with. Legislate them out of existence!

I don't like people who have more than me. Tax 'em!

I don't like big, successful businesses. Destroy 'em!

Freedom isn't easy. It requires us to put up with some things and ideas we don't like. There are even things that we do that aren't good for us, yet we do them anyway. I may have a double cheeseburger tomorrow. If you're trying to do away with behaviors you don't like, if you think it's the job of government to control our lives to that extent, at least admit it. But please, don't tell me you have any interest in personal freedom or personal responsibility. At least be honest.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:16 PM on 06/26/2008
- mach I'm a Fan of mach 12 fans permalink

You may be able to get your double cheeseburger tomorrow, as long as your not in nMadison, WI...they do not like drive thrus there.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:32 PM on 06/26/2008
- EarthToZoey I'm a Fan of EarthToZoey 227 fans permalink
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You have good points, but life is a little more complex than that. I'm a left-leaning libertarian-- whereas I believe firmly in "liberty for all" , there are many "liberties" that people have that can infringe on the rights of others. Government should find a balancing act.

For instance, when you say "I don't like people who have more than me. Tax 'em!" I take issue with that. I make an income that falls into the so-called "wealthy" range and, under Obama, will more than likely pay more tax. I welcome it. The reason why I welcome it is because I know that, even though I could take that taxed money and gift it to my chosen charity, many others in my financial position won't. We need a government that will tax and spend *on public works that improve our society*. (Unlike our current government which deficit spends on war). Sometimes taxes are good. Sometimes regulation is good. And, of course, liberty is darn good.

So, yes, we should constantly fight for our freedoms. We should also fight to improve the lives of others because a community that is free and prosperous as a whole is a much more pleasant than one that is not, yes?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:33 PM on 06/26/2008

You should learn more about what a libertarian is. Hint - one would never say "we need a government that will tax and spend on public works that improve our society".

That is in fact the exact opposite of libertarianism.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:04 AM on 06/27/2008
- Agathena I'm a Fan of Agathena 5 fans permalink
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Little Mac,

Which thing is not like the others?

Hint: it has bullets inside.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:41 AM on 06/27/2008

Wow bush the chimp loves the decision, I am confused because this guy is the one that want to turn our country into a totalitarian state. People need to understand that this country hasn't fallen into a ditatorship because of the second amemend. The founding fathers were very smart to put that into place, that is why the Swat teams are not hitting our homes right now because they know they will get a fight.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:54 PM on 06/26/2008

"I am confused..."

Mightily.

Thanks for the laughs. That makes you hysterical in all senses of the word. Get a grip.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:13 PM on 06/26/2008

Dude, most SWAT guys I know support the 2nd Amendment.... How do you think they got to be SWAT guys? They're not about to kick doors to take Joe citizens guns. Some would, but not most.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:19 AM on 06/27/2008

I wonder how many posting on here are just doing it from a "theoretical standpoint?" I mean by this have any of you actually had a situation that involved having to use a firearm to defend yourself?

Unfortunately I had to once. First, no one was hurt or killed, for that I thank God. Briefly, I was driving with my wife and 2 month old (she's now 25). She was in her car seat between us on the bench seat. We were stopped at a light and the car ahead of us was stopped and the occupants were talking (found out later, arguing). A number of cars passed us and I tapped (once lightly) to let them know the light had changed. The male sitting in passenger seat started leaning out the window shouting. I didn't make eye contact and slowed so that a number of cars got between us. He exited the vehicle with a baseball bat. He rushed toward our car and made a move toward our windshield ready to smash the glass. I pulled my gun, pointed at him, made him drop the bat and held him until police arrived. I sure was glad I was armed that day. Until something like that happens, you don't know what scared is.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:36 PM on 06/26/2008
- Jason357 I'm a Fan of Jason357 8 fans permalink

I would have arrested you for pulling a gun to save your windshield if you told me that story. Deadly force isn't to protect property. You should have said he was coming at you or your wife, not the windshield, That's why I don't approve of public carry, people don't know the law.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:03 AM on 06/27/2008

Did you miss the part where my baby was right below the windshield? I was protecting property, I was protecting my baby who was on the other side of the windshield! The police arrested the guy, that's Imminent threat. So you'd have me arrested for defending my daughter, actually that sounds about right in our modern world. The lawyer would probably say that " well even if he broke through the windshield, it's saftey glass and he probably wouldn't of touched the child". You are right, I'm wrong, don't defend your family, just sing Kumbia and it will all be ok.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:35 AM on 06/27/2008

To be for writing the 2nd amendment out of the Constitution is to also be for writing out the first, third, and so on. You are insulting the founding fathers by calling them stupid, and drinking koolaid from the "fear" fountain. What is the chance that somebody will walk up and shoot you? What is the chance of there being a terrorist attack? Yet, I have people telling me that this is how I'm going to go if I don't throw liberties away to feel safe again.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:33 PM on 06/26/2008
- Bystander I'm a Fan of Bystander 8 fans permalink

On the basis of the Supreme Court's decision, the NRA has announced that it will litigate other cities that have overly restrictive gun ownership laws. Go get'em!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:31 PM on 06/26/2008
- Jason357 I'm a Fan of Jason357 8 fans permalink

Wayne LaPierre has no time for this sort of thing. He's too busy acting like some hotshot executive and eating at fancy restaurants, and asking for more and more and more and more money from NRA members. This won't last long.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:05 AM on 06/27/2008
- oldwiseone I'm a Fan of oldwiseone 5 fans permalink

It isn't guns, it is using guns during a crime. Make if a federal law that using guns in a crime is a ife sentence and a significant number will think twice before using a gun, especially, maybe, those sixteen year old gang members who are lousy shots and end up; killing a six year old child instead of the guy they were arguing with. It's a constitutioal thing, the constitution guarantees equality, a gun is inequality, therefoare it should be unconstitutional to use a gun in a crime because of the unequal advantage. A federal crime means the FBI can investigate.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:25 PM on 06/26/2008
- EarthToZoey I'm a Fan of EarthToZoey 227 fans permalink
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You're on to something in that compromise. We should focus much more on the root cause as to why the "gang member" exists in the first place and try to correct that.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:32 PM on 06/26/2008
- JackNasty I'm a Fan of JackNasty 78 fans permalink
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Let's set all the romantic nonsense about gun owners defending their homes from criminals. The families of Americans who do not own guns are much safer than the families of gun owners. Most gun related injuries are the results of accidents. The ultimate price some gun owners pay is the death of a child who happens onto a loaded gun. All Americans will pay for gun zealots with rises in health care costs to cover gun related injuries.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:00 PM on 06/26/2008
- EarthToZoey I'm a Fan of EarthToZoey 227 fans permalink
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This is a good argument for safety locks on guns.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:03 PM on 06/26/2008

This is a terrible argument to begin with since all the genocides in history were committed by armed governments or mobs against unarmed people.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:07 PM on 06/26/2008
- BabsfromKS I'm a Fan of BabsfromKS 14 fans permalink
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a better argument on why not to own a gun!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:07 PM on 06/26/2008
- swooge I'm a Fan of swooge 13 fans permalink
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As a firefighter/paramedic in Dallas, I've seen one case where a person successfully defended their home against an invader (the criminal didn't have a gun) and many, many instances of people shooting themselves while cleaning their gun, kids shooting themselves or someone else with an unsecured gun, suicides (gun suicides are way more likely to be successful than any other form), and accidental killings of family members or friends who were thought ot be intruders.

It's really ridiculous.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:09 PM on 06/26/2008
- Thirdpower I'm a Fan of Thirdpower 51 fans permalink
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You've only seen one case where someone was forced to shoot and someone was wounded. Did you see all the ones where the paramedics weren't called?

Howabout the people who were shot, raped, etc. by criminals w/ guns when they themselves had none? How many of those did you see?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:23 PM on 06/26/2008
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Let me preface this by saying that I am a 42 year old mother of two elementary school aged kids. We own several firearms, including 2 handguns, a rifle, and 2 shotguns.

My best friend and her fiance are both police officers, and they completely supported me when I applied for (and obtained) my concealed carry license. I took firearms training from the deputy sheriff of a large metropolitan area. None of these three sworn officers of the law ever expressed concern that a child would be killed by my handgun. They UPHOLD the Second Amendment and they believe that it makes their job easier if the citizenry can protect itself.

If it ever comes to pass that an intruder makes it past my 4 dogs and breaks into my home, I could be dead, assaulted, raped -- as could my beautiful children -- before the police ever arrived on the scene. My weapon operates faster than a 911 response. Personally, I'll take my chances with my Glock or Remington.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:30 PM on 06/26/2008

There is no such thing as a gun accident. Almost all modern firearms have hammer-blocks that prevent accidental discharge. The only way a firearm will fire is to apply a steady constant pressure on the trigger with a round in the chamber. When a child finds a loaded gun, points it at his friend, and pulls the trigger, that is not an accident. Children should be taught gun safety just like they are taught that they should not play in the street and they should not touch a hot stove.
As a former law enforcement officer who kept a loaded firearm in his home for over 40 years and raised 2 children to adulthood without an "accident", I know from experience that Guns are not the problem.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:04 AM on 06/27/2008

The second amendment reads:

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

This will never be properly interpreted because it contains no operative verb.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:59 PM on 06/26/2008

keep and bear.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:08 PM on 06/26/2008

"Keep", "bear", and even "shall" are all part of inoperative clauses.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:15 PM on 06/26/2008
- LeoMarvin I'm a Fan of LeoMarvin 35 fans permalink
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shall not be infringed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:24 PM on 06/26/2008
- Bystander I'm a Fan of Bystander 8 fans permalink

English was a tough course for you! Ha!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:25 PM on 06/26/2008

I agree that I could use a refresher course in grammar, and I'd greatly appreciate if you could clear this up for me.

I think "shall not be infringed" is the subjective verb clause here. But which of the three incomplete clauses preceding it is the objective noun clause? (Am I getting subjective and objective confused?)

I think a more well constructed sentence would be:

"A well regulated Militia, and the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, being necessary to the security of a free State, shall not be infringed."

Am I wrong? What's missing?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:26 PM on 06/26/2008
- mngeorge I'm a Fan of mngeorge 2 fans permalink

Liberals should have guns. Seriously. A head of household, male, female, liberal or whatever, in this country, should possess and control a household arsenal. Not a gun, an arsenal. And go thru the nemesis NRA gun training BEFORE any of these weapons are in the house. Thanks to the scumbag G W Bush and the Republican Party, if you are a citizen of the USA, in the 21st century you MUST have a household arsenal. One that services and can be easily maintained.
And here is the arsenal to have (seriously, pay attention) the BIG 4, in this order:
1)KelTec P32 pistol

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:52 PM on 06/26/2008
- EarthToZoey I'm a Fan of EarthToZoey 227 fans permalink
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Huh? If you're being sardonic, I miss your point.

People who have arsenals are wacky, for sure. I'm sure those types would have arsenals regardless of the laws.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:59 PM on 06/26/2008
- mngeorge I'm a Fan of mngeorge 2 fans permalink

I dont know what happened to the balance.

The other three are the Mossberg 500 20 gauge shotgun

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:05 PM on 06/26/2008
- MajorKong I'm a Fan of MajorKong 411 fans permalink
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If you're going to be in a gunfight, bring a rifle. And bring all your friends with rifles.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:43 PM on 06/26/2008
- BigBagel I'm a Fan of BigBagel 32 fans permalink
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I was always pro gun patrol. However seeing our government in action in recent years I think its a good thing if the fear us. Liberal or conservative, Republican or Democrat they can't be trusted. Its helpful if they know there's always the possibility they'll end up like Ceausescu or Mussolini.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:48 PM on 06/26/2008
- mngeorge I'm a Fan of mngeorge 2 fans permalink

you are absolutely correct. That is why I recommend every liberal household take NRA training and keep under lock and key 1) a KelTec P32 pistol, 2)Mossberg 500 20 gauge shotgun, 3) a Savage 64FSS .22 rifle or Henry .22 Survival Rifle4) a Yugo SKS military surplus rifle. A Taurus .22 and-or 357 revolvers are optional. Never let kids and the mentally unhealthy near them. There you go. You need to be strong as well as safe my liberal cohorts.Ask the holocaust survivors. And remember, you can vote with your families feet as well.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:18 PM on 06/26/2008
- EarthToZoey I'm a Fan of EarthToZoey 227 fans permalink
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*beats a dead horse*

:P

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:42 PM on 06/26/2008
- ema I'm a Fan of ema 23 fans permalink
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Fact is we have a love affair with the gun in this country and it is written into the constitution as a right. We need to admit this and then get past it.

We need to come together as a society because this is NOT a partisan issue and address the violence that we seem to be addicted to. We need to look into our American soul together and figure out why there was a Columbine, a Virginia tech etc, etc, etc ad nauseum. Then we need to come up with pragmatic solutions to prevention.

If not a ban, then there must be stricter licensing laws, background checks, etc. If you are a law abiding, sane, non-violent citizen who wants to own a gun, then you should have no objection to this. So, you have to take a gun safety class and pass some tests. Well, you have to do that to be able to drive a car... and so why not a gun? Guns should be registered and monitored just like cars are.

People with a history of mental illness (including drug abuse) should not have guns -- as well as people with criminal records.

then we need to address other social ills which seem to breed violence -- poverty, joblessness, etc.

I don't think we can dream of a gun free America.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:42 PM on 06/26/2008

Answer, gun free zones.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:45 PM on 06/26/2008
- EarthToZoey I'm a Fan of EarthToZoey 227 fans permalink
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Exactly, ema. This is the kind of pragmatic thinking that will being about solutions instead of empty, emotionally-charged laws. We have to see the issue from all sides and address it systematically. You are spot on when you say "We need to look into our American soul together and figure out why there was a Columbine, a Virginia tech etc". There is an ethics-disconnect in our society. We may have a large majority of "religious" peoples and those who claim to be morally pious in our nation, but we have a dearth of ethics.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:58 PM on 06/26/2008

WRONG! There are no rights written into the Constitution, including the Bill of Rights. The Bill of Rights is a limitation on the government to writing laws with respect to our guaranteed rights. The rights of Americans are given to us by GOD! Not the government! In our country, you have the right to do as you please with the exception of those things we, as a people, decide are detrimental to society. The classic line is that freedom of speech does not give one the right to yell"FIRE" in a crowded theater. I like the example that my right to throw a punch at you stops at the tip of your nose.

With repsect to the courts ruling, this did not end gun control. The court stated that you can't have an outright BAN on handguns. There is no reason that a law abiding American should not be able toown a handgun, for whatever reason. Protection, hunting, sport shooting. It is also makes sense for the government to require registration after a certified training is taken. With our inalienable right to have arms, we also have the responsibility of proper usage.

The fact that the court finally got one right is comforting. The fact that this ruling was not 9-0 is discomforting. Americans should have the ability to defend themselves. The aftermath of Hurricane Katrina demonstrated one thing for certain: the government nor the police can fully protect you, your family, or your property in times of chaos.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:06 PM on 06/26/2008
- EarthToZoey I'm a Fan of EarthToZoey 227 fans permalink
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I think many people look at guns in an emotional way, which is understandable. I travel the country and I've been to many "red" states where there are billboards for gun shows and gun shops dotted along the landscape. It turns me off, personally, because I hate the idea of guns. I truly do. I loathe violence. I'm not a fan of sport hunting. I don't own a gun and don't want to live in a house that does. I'm just generally not a gun enthusiast.

Taking away that emotion, I can see that a ban on guns will not work. As much as I would love it to work, it won't. Banning guns will not stop the disaffected high schooler that builds pipe bombs out of materials picked up from Home Depot. Banning guns won't stop the gang-banger that has connections to the black market.

You need to address the problems that cause a person to pick up a gun and commit a crime..

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:42 PM on 06/26/2008

I think your attitude toward guns is narrow. Some expensive sporting arms are very elegant objects. You can have a pretty good time shooting at empty soup cans, too. Provided you know and scrupulously follow firearm safety rules, shooting is one of the safer ways to play with fireworks. They go bang and the more powerful ones make flashes. No violence involved in any of this. Although I realize that the value of having a gun for self-defense may be dubious, it seems better than the nothing I would have for the 10 to 15 minutes it can take the cops to arrive should someone kick my door down. I kind of agree with you about hunting. I may have to kill a deer this year, because my wife's grandfather taught her to like venison. Dragging a heavy, verminous carcass from the woods. Removing the entrails. The possibility of being off with my shot and doing Bambi a serious, excruciatingly painful injury is also unpleasant to contemplate. I agree with you about the impossibility of a gun ban. Most owners I know wouldn't turn them in when ordered to do so. There are probably about as many guns as TV sets floating around America. They have a long life, whether shelf or service, to the extent that many gun makers find themselves in trouble because they are competing against their own older products in a saturated market. These guns won't magically disappear because of some statute.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:05 AM on 06/27/2008
- 1will I'm a Fan of 1will 34 fans permalink

Wait a minute. Are some people saying the DC gun ban didn't work? Are there still killings in DC? How is that possible? It's almost a gun free zone.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:33 PM on 06/26/2008
- BabsfromKS I'm a Fan of BabsfromKS 14 fans permalink
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You don't live where I do (hint -it ain't Kansas!)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:35 PM on 06/26/2008
- swooge I'm a Fan of swooge 13 fans permalink
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No it's not a gun free zone. Gunshops have been set up just across the border in Virginia, where gun laws are ridiculously lax. Same thing near Chicago and any other city that has struggled with handgun violence. The almighty dollar has ruled and the public be damned.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:43 PM on 06/26/2008
- Thirdpower I'm a Fan of Thirdpower 51 fans permalink
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So then you can explain why an equal number come from MD with highly restrictive gun laws?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:21 PM on 06/26/2008
- Jason357 I'm a Fan of Jason357 8 fans permalink

Another person who has no clue what they are talking about. VA is not lax at all. Read the state code. There are background checks for EVERY new gun purchase and EVERY new gun comes from a regulated FFL, who are usually power-hungry morons only too happy to chat with BATF and feel important. It's you liberals who make the stupid laws that allow the mentally ill to buy guns. You guys also helped shut down all of the state mental institutions in the 60s, which helped greatly to create the homeless problem..

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:16 AM on 06/27/2008
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