Supreme Court Upholds Right To Own Guns For Self-Defense

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MARK SHERMAN | June 26, 2008 11:13 PM EST | AP

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Jeff Gildersleeve adjusts the sight on a Glock Model 27 .40-caliber handgun at B & J Guns in Colonie, N.Y., Thursday, June 26, 2008. The Supreme Court ruled Thursday that Americans have a constitutional right to keep guns in their homes for self-defense, the justices' first major pronouncement on gun control in U.S. history. (AP Photo/Mike Groll)

WASHINGTON — Silent on central questions of gun control for two centuries, the Supreme Court found its voice Thursday in a decision affirming the right to have guns for self-defense in the home and addressing a constitutional riddle almost as old as the republic over what it means to say the people may keep and bear arms.

The court's 5-4 ruling struck down the District of Columbia's ban on handguns and imperiled similar prohibitions in other cities, Chicago and San Francisco among them. Federal gun restrictions, however, were expected to remain largely intact.

The court's historic awakening on the meaning of the Second Amendment brought a curiously mixed response, muted in some unexpected places.

The reaction broke less along party lines than along the divide between cities wracked with gun violence and rural areas where gun ownership is embedded in daily life. Democrats have all but abandoned their long push for stricter gun laws at the national level after deciding it's a losing issue for them. Republicans welcomed what they called a powerful precedent.

Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama, straddling both sides of the issue, said merely that the court did not find an unfettered right to bear arms and that the ruling "will provide much-needed guidance to local jurisdictions across the country." But another Chicagoan, Democratic Mayor Richard Daley, called the ruling "very frightening" and predicted more violence and higher taxes to pay for extra police if his city's gun restrictions are lost.

Republican presidential candidate John McCain welcomed the ruling as "a landmark victory for Second Amendment freedom."

The court had not conclusively interpreted the Second Amendment since its ratification in 1791. The amendment reads: "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."

The basic issue for the justices was whether the amendment protects an individual's right to own guns no matter what, or whether that right is somehow tied to service in a state militia, a once-vital, now-archaic grouping of citizens. That's been the heart of the gun control debate for decades.

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Writing for the majority, Justice Antonin Scalia said an individual right to bear arms exists and is supported by "the historical narrative" both before and after the Second Amendment was adopted.

President Bush said: "I applaud the Supreme Court's historic decision today confirming what has always been clear in the Constitution: the Second Amendment protects an individual right to keep and bear firearms."

The full implications of the decision, however, are not sorted out. Still to be seen, for example, is the extent to which the right to have a gun for protection in the home may extend outside the home.

Scalia said the Constitution does not permit "the absolute prohibition of handguns held and used for self-defense in the home." The court also struck down D.C. requirements that firearms be equipped with trigger locks or kept disassembled, but left intact the licensing of guns. The district allows shotguns and rifles to be kept in homes if they are registered, kept unloaded and taken apart or equipped with trigger locks.

Scalia noted that the handgun is Americans' preferred weapon of self-defense in part because "it can be pointed at a burglar with one hand while the other hand dials the police."

But he said nothing in the ruling should "cast doubt on long-standing prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons or the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings."

In a concluding paragraph to the 64-page opinion, Scalia said the justices in the majority "are aware of the problem of handgun violence in this country" and believe the Constitution "leaves the District of Columbia a variety of tools for combating that problem, including some measures regulating handguns."

D.C. Mayor Adrian Fenty responded with a plan to require residents to register their handguns. "More handguns in the District of Columbia will only lead to more handgun violence," Fenty said.

In a dissent he summarized from the bench, Justice John Paul Stevens wrote that the majority "would have us believe that over 200 years ago, the Framers made a choice to limit the tools available to elected officials wishing to regulate civilian uses of weapons."

He said such evidence "is nowhere to be found."

Justice Stephen Breyer wrote a separate dissent in which he said, "In my view, there simply is no untouchable constitutional right guaranteed by the Second Amendment to keep loaded handguns in the house in crime-ridden urban areas."

Joining Scalia were Chief Justice John Roberts and Justices Samuel Alito, Anthony Kennedy and Clarence Thomas. The other dissenters were Justices Ruth Bader Ginsburg and David Souter.

Gun rights advocates praised the decision. "I consider this the opening salvo in a step-by-step process of providing relief for law-abiding Americans everywhere that have been deprived of this freedom," said Wayne LaPierre, executive vice president of the National Rifle Association.

The NRA will file lawsuits in San Francisco, Chicago and several Chicago suburbs challenging handgun restrictions there based on Thursday's outcome.

Some Democrats also welcomed the ruling.

"This opinion should usher in a new era in which the constitutionality of government regulations of firearms are reviewed against the backdrop of this important right," said Sen. Patrick Leahy of Vermont.

The capital's gun law was among the nation's strictest.

Dick Anthony Heller, 66, an armed security guard, sued the district after it rejected his application to keep a handgun at his Capitol Hill home a short distance from the Supreme Court.

"I'm thrilled I am now able to defend myself and my household in my home," Heller said shortly after the opinion was announced.

The U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia ruled in Heller's favor and struck down the district's handgun ban, saying the Constitution guarantees Americans the right to own guns and a total prohibition on handguns is not compatible with that right.

The issue caused a split within the Bush administration. Vice President Dick Cheney supported the appeals court ruling, but others in the administration feared it could lead to the undoing of other gun regulations, including a federal law restricting sales of machine guns. Other laws keep felons from buying guns and provide for an instant background check.

The last Supreme Court ruling on the matter came in 1939 in U.S. v. Miller, which involved a sawed-off shotgun. Constitutional scholars agree it did not squarely answer the question of individual versus collective rights.

The case is District of Columbia v. Heller, 07-290.

WASHINGTON — Silent on central questions of gun control for two centuries, the Supreme Court found its voice Thursday in a decision affirming the right to have guns for self-defense in the home ...
WASHINGTON — Silent on central questions of gun control for two centuries, the Supreme Court found its voice Thursday in a decision affirming the right to have guns for self-defense in the home ...
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- Lynette I'm a Fan of Lynette 3 fans permalink

Guns kill people, and ignorant legislaturers allow guns in America which inevitably fall into the hands of children who kill their classmates. Repubs are to blame for this mess America is in. We are rolling downhill clinging to a dam_ gun, thanks repubs, thanks for nothing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:24 PM on 06/26/2008
- Thirdpower I'm a Fan of Thirdpower 48 fans permalink
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Yet murder rates are at their lowest since the 60's. Go figure.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:27 PM on 06/26/2008
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As a percentage--not as an absolute number.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:27 PM on 06/26/2008
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And it's still overwhelmingly higher than any other industrialized nation..go figure?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:31 PM on 06/26/2008

They are at their highest in places that ban guns. Including D.C.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:31 PM on 06/26/2008
- BabsfromKS I'm a Fan of BabsfromKS 14 fans permalink
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not in my hood!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:11 PM on 06/26/2008
- Lynette I'm a Fan of Lynette 3 fans permalink

You have obviously never been robbed at gunpoint, if you did your view would change. A killer is always a better shot so that self defense crap is just that...cra­p.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:22 PM on 06/26/2008

You're right, it couldn't possibly be the fact that instead of actually taking responsibility and disciplining our children. No, of course it couldn't be that.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:31 PM on 06/26/2008
- BabsfromKS I'm a Fan of BabsfromKS 14 fans permalink
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Spank them babies!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:35 PM on 06/26/2008
- MajorKong I'm a Fan of MajorKong 400 fans permalink
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Dr. Dobson, is that you?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:01 PM on 06/26/2008
- EarthToZoey I'm a Fan of EarthToZoey 227 fans permalink
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I'm far from Republican, but I agree with them on this issue. Gun violence isn't about guns. It is about a mentality of violence. A ban on guns is a band-aid on a gaping wound.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:37 PM on 06/26/2008
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Band-aids help stop the bleeding, you know.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:37 PM on 06/26/2008
- Agathena I'm a Fan of Agathena 5 fans permalink
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Guns don't kill people.

Guns Are Only Deadly If Used For Their Intended Purpose

http://www.theonion.com/content/node/33228

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:57 PM on 06/26/2008
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While guns don't kill people, they certainly make it easier for people to do so

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:19 PM on 06/26/2008

Reading some of these comments it appears some of you are still under the illusion that the ruling ignored the "militia" section of the amendment.

Ain't so.

Sc*lia went to GREAT lengths to dissect the militia argument and explain how it was wrong headed.

Even O said he agreed with the decision ... even though he previously said he liked the DC law.
But this is the general election season. Things change.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:18 PM on 06/26/2008

He addressed the "militia," but disregarded the "well regulated" in a single sentence.

"Finally, the adjective “well-regulated” implies nothing more than the imposition of proper discipline and training."

Grotesque.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:23 PM on 06/26/2008

The "Right of the People" used multiple times in the Bill of Rights refers ONLY to individuals.

Moreover, People is a larger group than militia. Therefore, your argument is Grotesque. The 2nd Amendment says the Right of the People to keep and bare arms. Most of "The People" were NEVER in the military, but their rights were protected.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:37 PM on 06/26/2008

In essence his argument was that the right to bear arms was not linked to a militia in the sense that only a militia had the right to bear arms.

But it was obviously much more extensive and he took apart the language and meaning almost word for word.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:38 PM on 06/26/2008
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Link to O agreeing with the decision?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:25 PM on 06/26/2008

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103&sid=aYY3yDLLiMQg&refer=us

"Obama said he agrees with the court's ``overall reasoning'' and the Washington gun ban probably ``overshot the runway.'' "

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:56 PM on 06/26/2008

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http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103&sid=aYY3yDLLiMQg&refer=us

"O***a said he agrees with the court's ``overall reasoning'' and the Washington gun ban probably ``overshot the runway.'' "
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http://www.b*oomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103&sid=aYY3yDLLiMQg&refer=us

"O***a said he agrees with the court's ``overall reasoning'' and the Washington gun ban probably ``overshot the runway.'' "
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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:59 PM on 06/26/2008

I tried 3 times. Maybe one of them will eventually show up.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:00 PM on 06/26/2008
- EarthToZoey I'm a Fan of EarthToZoey 227 fans permalink
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Take the guns away from the government and give them to the people.

There will always be violence. If we want to reduce that violence, outlawing this and that will not make a difference. People will get their hands on guns, drugs, etc on the black market. We need to focus our money, laws, and energy on improving the lives of those more apt to commit violence: impoverished, disenchanted, and ignored communities. We need to improve education and attract strong role models to these communities.

Outlawing handguns seems like a quick and easy fix, but it just muddles the root cause.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:18 PM on 06/26/2008
- BabsfromKS I'm a Fan of BabsfromKS 14 fans permalink
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Good point

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:29 PM on 06/26/2008
- sytgrl I'm a Fan of sytgrl 8 fans permalink

"Take the guns away from the government and give them to the people."

Most people miss that this is the point of the law (and I am not a gun advocate). In other words, this law was meant for the times like when the government goes rogue (a little too close for comfort right now). This was a good decision.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:27 PM on 06/26/2008
- Lynette I'm a Fan of Lynette 3 fans permalink

outlawing handguns saves lives, move to the middle east if you want to put a gun in your truck window and wear on on your belt. They do it for personall protection too. We can be lawless like them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:33 PM on 06/26/2008
- SCG I'm a Fan of SCG 110 fans permalink
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2nd amendment protected 4th amendment moot

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:15 PM on 06/26/2008

Well, the purpose of the 2nd Amendment is to protect you when the government violates the other amendments.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:20 PM on 06/26/2008
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The 4th amendment will be protected when the FISA bill passes.
For the last ten months, there have been no restrictions on eavesdropping by the administration.

The bill which has been postponed restores the FISA court and protects the 4th amendment.

The bill can also be altered or repealed at a later date.

The immunity kerfuffle is a distraction from the central issue.
Immunity is a bad idea, but the rest of the bill is the best we can get at this time.

And it can all be changed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:20 PM on 06/26/2008

I really want the typical HuffPo blogger to take a good look at the comments on this post and realize just how many people agree with the SCT decision. There are way more people on this post who disagree with the Leftist mantra than usual.

This is a Left-of-Center website, yet, this issue is extremely important to all Americans, both Democrat and Republican alike.

Tread carefully on this issue Leftists..­..this is your election to lose.

Then again, the Democrats never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:13 PM on 06/26/2008
- nodonjuan I'm a Fan of nodonjuan 9 fans permalink
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Left of what? Eight years of shrub and that line has been tugged pretty far right to begin with.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:39 PM on 06/26/2008

How so?

Had any Democrat pre-2000 invented No Child Left behind, every Republican would have called it a Big Government Policy that doesn't work.

Medicare Part D is the largest increase in spending since LBJ.

Bush didn't veto a single spending bill until the Dems got into office.

Earmarks out of Control.

3.1 Trillion budget.

And I'm just mentioning the Republicans!!! The Dems, claim to be to the Left of This!!! We certainly have moved to the Left.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:59 PM on 06/26/2008
- Agathena I'm a Fan of Agathena 5 fans permalink
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Ten years ago 69% of Americans were for gun control, today it is down to 49% favoring gun control.

It would be interesting to find out what caused the drop. But still 49% that's almost half the population.

The gun issue is a distraction because it will not change much on the state and local level. The SCOTUS decision to create a new law today gave Americans a vague and open ended law and will foster a few law suits.

There are much more important rights of Americans to be protected like their right to universal health care, clean water, clean air, good government.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:09 PM on 06/26/2008

When every genocide of the last century was committed by armed governments or mobs against unarmed citizens. I couldn't think of anything more important.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:45 PM on 06/26/2008
- RTIII I'm a Fan of RTIII 90 fans permalink

Actually this is a remarkably centrist site.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:44 PM on 06/26/2008
- meanguy I'm a Fan of meanguy 17 fans permalink

'remarkably centrist?' yeah, right...an­d fox is remarkably 'fair and balanced'.­..

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:51 AM on 06/27/2008
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Why not just have stun guns or something like that to protect yourself? Why does the weapon you use have to cause death?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:13 PM on 06/26/2008
- EarthToZoey I'm a Fan of EarthToZoey 227 fans permalink
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Abbie, in a more perfect world, I would agree with you. But unfortunately there are still too many people and governments that hold armaments that DO kill. We wouldn't want to bring a knife to a gun fight, would we?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:19 PM on 06/26/2008
- mathme I'm a Fan of mathme 30 fans permalink
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I think that's a great idea, though it's tough to find a reliable ranged, non-lethal weapon.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:20 PM on 06/26/2008

Stun guns don't work to well to protect you from the government or mobs. Especially if you are an individual.

Also, the fear that someone has a gun makes America have one of the lowest "Hot Burglary" rate in the world.

Hot Burglaries are defined as someone breaking into your home when you ARE home. In Britain, it happens all the time, because criminals are not scared of death.

In America...­an old lady may be packing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:23 PM on 06/26/2008
- fredamae I'm a Fan of fredamae 36 fans permalink

If you don't own a gun now, if you have never wanted a gun, if you hate guns, ifyou are afraid of guns and if you believe "guns kill people"...­then don't buy one, don't ever be around those who do own them and please, get it through your heads... "Guns Do Not kill people"...­......"peo­ple kill people".

of those guns owners who would do you harm? they Will Still get guns, it is the folks who choose to own guns who Do Not wish to harm you, that are no threat...a­nd they will no longer have a method of protection they prefer..

If Everyone was Dis-armed, then we would no longer need armed Police forces either, right? because by taking All guns away, there will be No more danger/crime?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:08 PM on 06/26/2008
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"If Everyone was Dis-armed, then we would no longer need armed Police forces either, right? because by taking All guns away, there will be No more danger/crime?"

Your statement flies in the face of logic.
You leap to conclusions with a speed that would make a mountain goat blush.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:10 PM on 06/26/2008
- EarthToZoey I'm a Fan of EarthToZoey 227 fans permalink
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How so, ThunderClap? Why call someone on illogic without providing a rebuttal?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:20 PM on 06/26/2008
- BabsfromKS I'm a Fan of BabsfromKS 14 fans permalink
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I was mugged + no gun involved = danger and crime

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:32 PM on 06/26/2008
- Agathena I'm a Fan of Agathena 5 fans permalink
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Guns Are Only Deadly If Used For Their Intended Purpose

http://www.theonion.com/content/node/33228

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:12 PM on 06/26/2008

I'm really disgusted by the number of people who claim to support "Black Rights" ignore the history of gun licenses and gun rights.

The fact of the matter is that the only way Blacks were able to vote in the deep south after the 13th, 14th, and 15th Amendments were that they brought guns to the voting booths.

Then the Democrats in Louisiana decided to create gun licenses to keep guns out of the hands of Blacks so they couldn't vote. But, I guess we can't talk about that can we.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:04 PM on 06/26/2008
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Wait a second? What is this black rights business?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:07 PM on 06/26/2008
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Sure we can. Democrats then were the republicans of today.

When the Civil Rights bills were being passed they are either became new republicans or Dixie Democrats which meant they still called themselves democrats but voted republican.

So please stop with the idiocy of trying to claim democrats back then are the same sort of democrats today.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:10 PM on 06/26/2008

Democrats of then were certainly not Republicans of today. It is total nonsense. George Wallace ran against Nixon. The Democrats of that day wanted HUGE government. They advocated all the same policies.

And the Civil rights legislation. Read the legislative history, the VAST MAJORITY OF REPUBLICANS supported the legislation and most of the arguments resulted because the Republicans were angry that the Dems were taking credit for it.

They were the same Democrats back then. And the purpose was the right to protect oneself from others and the government.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:19 PM on 06/26/2008
- mathme I'm a Fan of mathme 30 fans permalink
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Strom was one of those Democrats.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:26 PM on 06/26/2008
- Agathena I'm a Fan of Agathena 5 fans permalink
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So the Civil War in America continues.­..

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:22 PM on 06/26/2008

Owning a gun does not make you an idiot, gang member or criminal. I am a law abiding citizen who owns a handgun for self protection. This is what the Supreme Court ruled. If people are going to commit a crime with a handgun, they are criminals! They are the ones who the laws should and do target. We should pass stricter laws for people who use any gun for criminal activity. Maybe if a criminal knew they were gonna get an additional 20 years with no possibility of parole on top of the other crime they were committing, then they would think twice. Then again maybe not. Wouldn't you want something to be able to defend yourself or your family against someone who is out to kill you or rape your wife and kids? Yes some people with no criminal record commit gun violence, but it is a very small fraction of gun crimes. It is the MSM who sensationalize it.

I wonder how many people here are okay with Abortion, but are against owning guns. I am against Abortion but I do not believe the government should be telling women what to do. Just like I do not believe people should take away my right to own a gun.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:01 PM on 06/26/2008
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Very poor straw man.

No one is trying to take away your guns.

Smart people want them regulated and controlled to keep mayhem to a minimum.

Next time, try dealing with facts.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:20 PM on 06/26/2008

Nonsense. The head of the most well-known gun control lobby wants to ban all guns.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:24 PM on 06/26/2008

My post did deal with the facts. Now this guy who sued DC is allowed to have a gun in his own home to protect himself. This law, not regulation "DUH" was stopping everyone from owing a gun. Is that your solution to solving Mayhem. Not very Smart! This ruling was about people who are about law abiding citizens. Smart people??? Like you??? Who shout . .The Sky is Falling . .. The Sky is Falling . . You sound like a Repug to me when you talk about Mayhem. Be scared . .very SCARED

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:54 PM on 06/26/2008
- EarthToZoey I'm a Fan of EarthToZoey 227 fans permalink
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Isn't a "ban" the very definition of "taking away"?

Look, I'm for some regulation, like safety locks for instance. I just (again) cannot see how taking away guns will solve anything. It will merely push gun sales to a dangerously unregulated underground. We can look at drug laws the same way. The only way we can gain a footing on violence is *education* and *equality of opportunity* for communities that are disaffected. We also need to foster more personal responsibility instead of Mommy Government.

And, by the way, I am a registered Democrat. I'm just not going to espouse government total authority. I am a libertarian-leaning socialist.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:06 PM on 06/26/2008
- ohiomark I'm a Fan of ohiomark 123 fans permalink

Criminals don't care about following laws, especially gun laws.

At least now they won't know which one of their future victims will be packing!

Great decision SCOTUS. I'm still disturbed that four of the "judges" don't believe in the 2nd amendment.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:00 PM on 06/26/2008
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"packing" rarely stops someone.

It happens so rarely that it makes the news when it does happen.

BUT there are thousands of unintended deaths due to a myriad of things going wrong. Mostly children shooting themselves or a friend playing guns.

Lovers kill one another.

Gang bangers get a hold of them legally through the members with no records yet.

But hey, what ever makes you happy and we all know "Happiness­...is a warm gun".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:15 PM on 06/26/2008

Actually, you would think that, but your facts are off. The lo-ball estimates is that over 1 Million people protect themselves with guns and avoid attacks each year. But, think about it...that can't make a story in the Newspaper at all.

Headline: Dude about to be robbed pulls out a gun and robber runs away. p. 28.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:25 PM on 06/26/2008
- ohiomark I'm a Fan of ohiomark 123 fans permalink

That is a great song by the Beatles.

If someone intends to do harm to someone. A gun law won't stop them, but someone who is armed can.

I know you Libs think that the government should do everything for you, but the police can't be everywhere.

Responsible gun owners aren't the problem, criminals are.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:36 PM on 06/26/2008
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Scalia noted that the handgun is Americans' preferred weapon of self-defense in part because "it can be pointed at a burglar with one hand while the other hand dials the police."

Very interesting. Who "dials the police" anymore? Is this SCOTUS justice pre-911? Well, obviously he is pre-everyt­hing-that-­is-safe-an­d-sensible­.

More modern justices with OHB!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:00 PM on 06/26/2008
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OOPS! Meant BHO ..... I am beginning to sound like Chris Matthews ...LOL

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:03 PM on 06/26/2008
- ohiomark I'm a Fan of ohiomark 123 fans permalink

No, it would be more liberal judges with Obama and they will try to ignore the constitution at a later date.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:04 PM on 06/26/2008
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Scalia is an anachronism. Or maybe he watches too much film noir.

One day someone will invent a cell phone gun.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:20 PM on 06/26/2008

Gun rights serves two major purposes: First, it allows individuals to protect themselves when the Government is unable to protect them; second, it allows individuals to protect themselves from the Government when it unjustly attacks them. The truth is that liberty cannot thrive in a country where its citizens are prohibited from protecting themselves.

While there are those who assert that Governments would never attack its own citizens, that argument can be quickly dispelled by looking at other parts of the world where guns have been banned. The world’s greatest atrocities over the last century were all committed by armed governments or mobs against unarmed populations. Conversely, there has not been a single case of genocide in the last century against an armed citizenry.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:55 PM on 06/26/2008

"The truth is that liberty cannot thrive in a country where its citizens are prohibited from protecting themselves­."

There are credible arguments for gun rights that can be made but this isn't one of them. History does not bear it out.

Most or all of western Europe severly restricts gun ownership. Do you claim that liberties are lacking there? On the other hand, gun ownership is widespread in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iran, Iraq and Syria, but liberties are not exactly thriving there.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:13 PM on 06/26/2008

You've got to be kidding me.

After World War I, the Weimar Republic in Germany and other governments in Europe disarmed their populations to reduce crime. Then when Hitler took to power, Jews could not own guns. This made it very easy for the Nazis to pull Jews from their homes without a fight. This would have been impossible, however, if Nazis knew its citizens had the means to protect themselves; it would have been too costly to round up citizens to death camps while fighting a war on both fronts. In fact, there was a Warsaw Ghetto uprising were a Jewish Combat Organization obtained arms. They were able to hold off the Nazis for a month and none of them ever saw a death camp. Just imagine if all the citizens had the means to fight back.

Then add Kosovo and the Soviet Union to the list. Jesus, why bring up Europe!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:27 PM on 06/26/2008
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"The oppressed should rebel, and they will continue to rebel and raise disturbance until their civil rights are fully restored to them and all partial distinctions, exclusions and incapacitations are removed." --Thomas Jefferson: Notes on Religion, 1776. Papers 1:548

http://etext.virginia.edu/jefferson/quotations/jeff1770.htm

Doesn't that sound like Thomas Jefferson thought we should have guns?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:55 PM on 06/26/2008
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So one can only rebel, against the government , by the use of guns? Hmm....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:01 PM on 06/26/2008
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No. It does not.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:02 PM on 06/26/2008
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POW!! BLAM!!! WHIZ!!!

"Duck kids we're riding through Washington D.C."

"Hey Dad, whose shooting at us? Gangs?"

"Nope son, that's the Congress. They're having it out with each other again."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:53 PM on 06/26/2008
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