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First Posted: 06-27-08 11:52 PM   |   Updated: 07- 5-08 05:12 AM

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"What does Bill Clinton want?"

Barack Obama quickly determined what Hillary Clinton wants in the aftermath of defeat: a major role in the general election campaign, a star turn at the convention, help with her debt, and Obama's support for elected officials who backed her. The big-time holdout turns out to be her husband.

Bill is more complex. He wants respect, absolution and love.

The former president and Obama have not talked, and, by all accounts, the man of the Clinton household remains hurt and resentful. Associates provide a variety of explanations for the Bill Clinton dilemma, none of them mutually exclusive.

Some say Bill Clinton not only wants Obama to reach out to him, but to also promise to lift the cloud of alleged racism -- an accusation that continues to eat at the man once dubbed the nation's "first black president." Clinton, these folks suggest, wants Obama to publicly exonerate him of the charge that he played the race card in the primaries.

Beyond that, some associates say, Bill Clinton wants Obama to reach out to him as a mentor, a guide who can lead Obama through the labyrinth of a tough presidential election. "Bill wants to be honored, to return to the role of Democratic elder statesman, and get rid of this image of him as a pol willing to do anything to win," said one associate.

"He is still bruised from the trail, really hurt about the racist charges leveled against him, and convinced the Obama campaign fomented it," said another source familiar with the former president's attitude. "What he would really like is for Obama to apologize, but on one level he knows that is never going to happen," a third source said.

Another source, in contrast, downgraded the idea that Bill Clinton wants to be personally attended to by Obama. Instead, the source said, "POTUS wants first and foremost that his wife is treated with the respect that she has earned. Secondly, while he does not expect Obama to run for a Clinton third term, he would hope that Obama does not continue to implicitly criticize his eight years in office as he did during the primaries."

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Finally, a person close to both Clintons contended that the current impasse between Obama and Bill Clinton "is not a big problem. All Obama has to do is ask, it's his name on the ballot." Once that hurdle is crossed, this friend of the former president and first lady said, "Bill Clinton will end up seducing Obama. Clinton likes to deal with people who have not necessarily treated him well," noting that Clinton and Newt Gingrich had a productive relationship until Gingrich began pressing for impeachment.

The accusation that Bill Clinton pointedly sought to downgrade Obama's success and to aggressively define him as a "black" candidate gained momentum on January 26, 2008 when the former president seemed to dismiss Obama's victory in South Carolina: "Jesse Jackson won South Carolina in '84 and '88. Jackson ran a good campaign. And Obama ran a good campaign here."

Clinton has not been hesitant to make his feelings about these charges known far and wide.

"I think that they [the Obama campaign] played the race card on me," Clinton told Philadelphia radio station WHYY on April 22. "We now know, from memos from the campaign, that they planned to do it along."

On June 2, Clinton told Huffington Post Off The Bus Reporter Mayhill Fowler:

"They had all these people standing up in this church cheering, calling Hillary a white racist, and he [Obama] didn't do anything about it. The first day he said 'Ah, ah, ah well.' Because that's what they do-- he gets other people to slime her."

During the campaign, Obama, in turn, complained a number of times about Bill Clinton's tactics and comments

"You know the former president, who I think all of us have a lot of regard for, has taken his advocacy on behalf of his wife to a level that I think is pretty troubling," Obama said on January 21. "He continues to make statements that are not supported by the facts....This has become a habit, and one of the things that we're gonna have to do is to directly confront Bill Clinton when he's making statements that are not factually accurate."

Now that he is the nominee, however, Obama has become more generous towards Bill.

"If the question is, do I want Bill Clinton campaigning for us, for the ticket, leading into November, the answer is absolutely yes. I want him involved. He is a brilliant politician. He was an outstanding president. And so, I want his help, not only in campaigning, but also in governing. And I'm confident that I'll get that help," Obama declared on June 25.

While Obama awaits a response from Mr. Clinton, blogger Marc Ambinder has been conducting an on-line poll asking whether 1) Obama should bend over backwards to make sure Bill Clinton campaigns for him in the fall 2) Obama should ignore Bill Clinton entirely or 3) Obama should ask Bill Clinton politely, but if Clinton says no, Obama should ignore him.

With a total of 2,292 votes cast, answer number 3 - "ask politely, if 'no,' ignore Clinton" - was decisively ahead with 1,765 votes, or 77 percent of Ambinder's responses; answers 1 and 2 drew 10% (240 votes) and 13% (287 votes) respectively.


"What does Bill Clinton want?" Barack Obama quickly determined what Hillary Clinton wants in the aftermath of defeat: a major role in the general election campaign, a star turn at the convention, hel...
"What does Bill Clinton want?" Barack Obama quickly determined what Hillary Clinton wants in the aftermath of defeat: a major role in the general election campaign, a star turn at the convention, hel...
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- duze I'm a Fan of duze 25 fans permalink

Who's running for president Hillary or Obama? Right Obama, that's who should be getting all this attention. This is just another ploy to keep the light shining on the Clinton 's. It's not their election, its Obama's and he doesn't have time to kiss either of them all over. Hillary still cannot admit that she lost. She won't stay off the freaking stage. She looks desperate and Bill looks worse. So what he was a two time president and a couchy chasing fool. Least we all forget how much disgrace he bought to the oval office, impeachment proceedings, White water, His billion dollar library and least we forget Gennifer, Paula, Kathleen, and stupid Monica not to mention Peter Paul. What makes him so
special? Why does he deserve so much admiration and attention. Grow up America and face the facts. Bill is a worn out, worn down, 2 term president who was not the first black president. He not black remember. Obama is!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:13 PM on 06/29/2008
- duze I'm a Fan of duze 25 fans permalink

Why does the spot light always have to be on them. How great they are, how knowledgeable they are and how much they've done for the party. They don't own the Democratic Party. If any family ever did it was the Kennedy's . They had Senators, a President, and a Attorney Generals. Their family has given millions to charity and continues to reach out to the poor in every corner of the world to make peoples lives better. If anyone deserves the respect of the Democratic Party is Senator Kennedy. He comes from a long line of RESPECTED Democratic leaders. How is Obama supposed to run his campaign when america wants him to constantly wants him to pander to the Clintons. Pay Hillary's bills, praise her, seek Bill out and ask him how he can please him and make it all go away. Puhleeeeeeese.\
Hillary Lost, let's let it go at that. Obama doesn't have to anything but prepare for the oval office.
I'm tired of seeing everyone inquiring what he intends to do for them. Who won the election anyway?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:04 PM on 06/29/2008
- duze I'm a Fan of duze 25 fans permalink

What is all the necessity to pander and satisfy the Clintons. They don't own the Democratic party.
Obama is the nominee, Hillary is not. If the situation was reversed Obama wouldn't get the time of day.
Hillary tried every trick in the book to take the nomination, now suddenly Obama needs to kiss her all over I don't think so. The Clintons need Obama, he is the only one at this point that can keep them in the public eye. Between Bill and Hillary they have managed to scare their name and legacy forever.
It galls me that everyone can come up with a suggestion of what Obama should do to satisfy the
Clinton's, its wrong. If their smart they will attempt to satisfy him. Let's face it if the the Clinton's can control Obama, Hillary may has well as won the nomination. My question is why all the heat regarding what Obama should do? The Clinton's don't know when to leave the building. if there is any disgrundled feelings it should be directed at who actually caused the problem. The superdelegates.
Face it Hillary said for months, it will come down to the superdelegates and when it did they voted against her. People never forgot, how truly ignorant and nasty Hillary was to them during her Whitehouse years and some of their so-called closest allies, simply waited for their moment.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:51 PM on 06/29/2008
- DCtrain I'm a Fan of DCtrain 4 fans permalink

Bill should stay ouf ot the public eye. To the women out there, does this picture of Bill attract or repell you?

It seems to me that Bill has not ruined his legacy, his wife's bid to become president, his relationship to the black community, ruined his role in the democratic party and now, he's ruined his possibilities for extra-marrital affairs.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:26 PM on 06/29/2008
- DCtrain I'm a Fan of DCtrain 4 fans permalink

correction to the above ---- it should read "It seems to me that Bill has not 'only' ruined his legacy, ...."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:43 PM on 06/29/2008
- NoahVail I'm a Fan of NoahVail 60 fans permalink
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Test post.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:23 PM on 06/29/2008
- DCtrain I'm a Fan of DCtrain 4 fans permalink

My post above "...Bill has not 'only' ruined his legacy..."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:49 PM on 06/29/2008
- Bulbul I'm a Fan of Bulbul 46 fans permalink
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good idea, I will try that too....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:22 AM on 06/30/2008
- northcan I'm a Fan of northcan 9 fans permalink

I still believe Bill Clinton wanted this much more than Hillary, and as usual, she kept pushing to get her man in HIS WH again. I believe there is something terribly upsetting about the character of the Clinton's and not acknowledging Barack Obama win....better campaign, more individual donars, more discipline, more enthusiasm, more intellect and more intelligent campaign than either Clinton.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:56 PM on 06/29/2008
- Veneita I'm a Fan of Veneita 9 fans permalink

true, I think he has her entranced in a way that is unbelievable.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:07 AM on 06/30/2008
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he could chart a new career path......

http://www.sfbaysailingpix.com/pez2008p1.htm

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:55 PM on 06/29/2008
- northcan I'm a Fan of northcan 9 fans permalink

Isn't it weird that nothing the Clinton's have done to Barack Obama, has never been mentioned, but these two adults continue whining, wanting, crying, calling for exactly what they should be giving him. Outrageous stupidity of both of them and the women that support them and won't vote for Obama.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:51 PM on 06/29/2008
- Wanjiru I'm a Fan of Wanjiru 13 fans permalink
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...awwwww poor Bubba....[insert sarcasm here]...

...get over yourself, Bill Clinton....

...contrary to your delusions, the Democratic Party belongs to a whole lot of other people too...

...not about you, Bubba, not about you at all...

...sheesh!...

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:28 PM on 06/29/2008
- wanj I'm a Fan of wanj 7 fans permalink

Bill is acting like a spoilt little brat! It's business, not personal. You of all people should know this. Obama won fair and square! He outplayed your wife's campaign. There's a new democratic torch bearer in town.. Deal with it!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:06 PM on 06/29/2008
- pleeezzze I'm a Fan of pleeezzze 6 fans permalink

wanj....I think your teacher "spoilt" you instead of teaching spelling .

If it's not Personal why all the nasties from O bama fans ?
Maybe we don't choose to deal with " that ".( not positively anyway )

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:04 PM on 06/29/2008
- kcam44 I'm a Fan of kcam44 13 fans permalink
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What he would really like is for Obama to apologize, but on one level he knows that is never going to happen," a third source said.


UNBELIEVABLE!! I've always loved Bill Clinton, but's let's just keep it real: He wants an apology from Obama? Apology for what? Winning the primaries? Bill called Obama's campaign a fairy tale. He diminished his win in SC and said "Jesse Jackson won SC".
What the hell does Obama need to apologize for? I'd really like to know. No doubt that the Obama campaign needs Bill, but the article pretty much sums it all up: Bill wants Obama to kiss his ass.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:42 PM on 06/29/2008
- Bulbul I'm a Fan of Bulbul 46 fans permalink
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why ?
I ask that too , I am sure you noticed ,so many bloggers have left in disgust. I did for a while.
I think so many Obama worshipers are perhaps the first time voters and goes tangents over anything and everything.
If they are adults, they are pitiful...this attitude is not gonna unite the party.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:56 PM on 06/29/2008

Who the H does he think he is. Both the Clintons are desperate, manipulative and think the worlld owes them something. The world does not and we are all sick of Obama pandering to them. They should get involved or forget it Obama!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:23 PM on 06/29/2008
- Vinca I'm a Fan of Vinca 6 fans permalink

To wanj: I do think Obama needs Hillary and Bill, I think IT WAS EXTREMELY HARD for them both to GET OVER THE LOSS OF THE NOMINATION, Did BILL really say that, if he did he MUST APPLOGIZE

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:56 AM on 06/30/2008
- Freesia2 I'm a Fan of Freesia2 342 fans permalink

From an article in London's Sunday Telegraph:

But his lingering fury has shocked his friends. The Democrat told the Telegraph: "He's been angry for a while. But everyone thought he would get over it. He hasn't. I've spoken to a couple of people who he's been in contact with and he is mad as hell.

"He's saying he's not going to reach out, that Obama has to come to him. One person told me that Bill said Obama would have to quote kiss my ass close quote, if he wants his support.

"You can't talk like that about Obama - he's the nominee of your party, not some house boy you can order around.

"Hillary's just getting on with it and so should Bill."

I'm not sure what Obama is supposed to do with that. If you were a candidate who had worked as hard as Obama and with no time to rest before facing down the gigantic GOP elephant, how much effort would you put into soothing Bill?

I can't help but think it's calculated. If Bill keeps the Clintons an obstacle, it's one way of making themselves necessary. Positioning to demand things. Such as the vp slot.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:10 PM on 06/29/2008

Wonder what unnamed source (why are these people always unidentifiable?) who is allegedly close to Bill Clinton at this point in time would be referring to Obama as "some house boy"?

Isn't that a clumsy choice of words? Or is it intentional?

Why isn't this alleged source/invisible person/so-called insider being called A RACIST by all the Obama supporters here -- at least, by the reporter, for that matter? Or, perchance, could this alleged source/invisible person/so-called insider be a (gasp!) black politician and can say things that white politicians can't?

Just askin'.

Why doesn't this important source who is propping up this entire Telegraph UK story come forward? When a "journalist" resorts to quoting Joe Klein in the same story, you know there's no story here.

It's just gossip.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:21 AM on 06/30/2008
- chocobunny I'm a Fan of chocobunny 2 fans permalink

so Bill is spending all this time being angry about his legacy and not enough deference from the Obama camp..... Maybe if he kept his legacy in his pants.. so many would not have turned away from Gore which lead to such a close race and President Idiot.. Bill shut the eff up..

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:47 PM on 06/29/2008
- BardEric I'm a Fan of BardEric 10 fans permalink

As far as his legacy is concerned, most of us dont give a crap about his loose zipper..Any more than we do JFK's.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:07 AM on 06/30/2008
- StillAmused I'm a Fan of StillAmused 275 fans permalink

A little history lesson for all the gang-bashers convinced that they 'saw' and 'heard' -- for themselves -- that Clinton marginalized Obama as 'the Black candidate'...

The press flogged Clinton's "Jesse Jackson" comment in South Carolina unmercifully, discarding the preceding ten minutes or more of Clinton being pressed by reporters, in a rambling conversation, about -- EUREKA! -- the historical role of RACE in S.C. politics!

This was confirmed by Rep. Kendrick Meek [D, FL], an African-American who witnessed the whole exchange... and SAID SO on CNN! It was in THAT context that Clinton referred -- ironically, in COMPLIMENTARY terms -- to Jackson's and Obama's campaigns.

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/politics/2008/01/28/intv.clinton.out.of.context.cnn

It was decided -- FOR everyone -- that Clinton was "injecting race" (supported by droning rotation of a THIRTY-SECOND clip which ONLY included the immediately-preceding question)... by the brain-dead, controversy-addicted press (whose own prattling commentary, incidentally, is wearily laden with endless calculations of the role of race in voting).

... and, of course, once it was 'decided', there was nothing left to do but REPEAT IT incessantly (see above article).

Watch Clinton step up to bat for Obama and swing for the fence... then, eat your hats.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:42 PM on 06/29/2008
- Rockville I'm a Fan of Rockville 3 fans permalink

Bill Clinton needs to recognize the role played by the internet in many of the situations where he thinks Obama's campaign is behind something. When we see something live or nearly live like his comments after SC, where he could have mentioned others who won SC but didn't win the general election, we see what happened, judge it, and go look for someplace to "talk" about it. It's not as easy to twist the truth as it was 15 years ago.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:42 PM on 06/29/2008
- StillAmused I'm a Fan of StillAmused 275 fans permalink

So, uh... the MSM serves up a cropped version of the facts -- leaving out the key context, namely that the foregoing exchange had to do with the ROLE OF RACE in S.C. politics -- and you "see what happened [as fed to you by the brain-dead press], judge it, and go look for someplace to "talk" about it."?

Online? Where "it's not as easy to twist the truth as it was 15 years ago."?

... but VERY easy to perpetuate a false narrative, once the "truth" has already been twisted by the media in the first place.

Think the substance of my original comment sailed right over your head.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:10 AM on 06/30/2008
- Veneita I'm a Fan of Veneita 9 fans permalink
    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:47 AM on 06/29/2008
- AgathaX I'm a Fan of AgathaX 13 fans permalink
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If Bill wants to rehabilitate his legacy, he'll stop sulking over there being consequences to his own actions. Bill is green with jealousy at getting beat. And yes, he views this much more as his own defeat than as Hillary's. The best thing he can do is ignore politics altogether, dump the sleezy money buckets he's been hanging with, and see if he can do a bit more good before he dies. Not because he owes it to the world--he doesn't. But because he's doing himself no good with his present course.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:27 AM on 06/29/2008
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