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First Posted: 06-28-08 12:10 PM   |   Updated: 07- 6-08 05:12 AM

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Obama Unercuts His Brand

Sen. Barack Obama is risking his brand as a political reformer, according to reports today in the Los Angeles Times and the Washington Post. In recent weeks, he has moderated or changed positions on a number of politically-charged issues, leading to criticism from demoralized Democratic activists and charges of "flip-flopping" from conservatives.

The Times reports:

In recent weeks, he toughened his stance on Iran and backed an expansion of the government's wiretapping powers. On Wednesday, he said states should be allowed to execute child rapists. When the Supreme Court the next day struck down the District of Columbia's ban on handguns, he did not complain...


..."I've been struck by the speed and decisiveness of his move to the center," said Will Marshall, president of the centrist Progressive Policy Institute...

...And Obama endorsed a compromise wiretapping bill despite stiff opposition from liberal activists. MoveOn.org, the liberal online activist group, asked its members to flood Obama's campaign office with phone calls and e-mails urging him to support a filibuster of the bill.

The changes carry some risk that Obama will diminish the image he has sought to build as a new type of leader who will change how Washington conducts business. McCain and other Republicans have used his recent policy statements to argue that Obama is a traditional politician, unwilling to take clear stands on tough issues and abandoning his principles when he finds it advantageous.


The Post reports that those who should be his strongest supporters are taking this as a wake-up call:

The switch is not without precedent. On a variety of issues, including gun control and campaign finance regulation, the presumptive Democratic nominee has shown himself willing to settle for incremental changes in the face of political reality rather than to hold out for the sweeping and uncompromising positions he initially stakes out.


But even some who should be his core constituents -- in the Democratic Party's progressive wing and the liberal blogosphere -- have taken his recent maneuvers as a wake-up call. They are warning the senator that in his quest to reach voters in the middle of the political spectrum, he risks depressing the enthusiasm of the voters who clinched the nomination for him.

"American voters tend to reward politicians who take clear stands," said David Sirota, a former Democratic aide on Capitol Hill and author of the new populist-themed book "The Uprising." "When Obama takes these mushy positions, it could speak to a character issue. Voters that don't pay a lot of attention look at one thing: 'Does the guy believe in something?' They may be saying the guy is afraid of his own shadow."

Sen. Barack Obama is risking his brand as a political reformer, according to reports today in the Los Angeles Times and the Washington Post. In recent weeks, he has moderated or changed positions on a...
Sen. Barack Obama is risking his brand as a political reformer, according to reports today in the Los Angeles Times and the Washington Post. In recent weeks, he has moderated or changed positions on a...
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So far I've seen nothing from Barach. (Yes, I'm using first names, since that is that's how we refer to the girls. Name another congressman, presidential candidate, president called by his first name. I've heard pretty talk and that has worked for some politicians. I would vote for him over John for a lot of reasons.

Well, I'll correct that and say he rolled over on important issues such as FISA the minute he had the nomination sewn up. Apparently, defending the constitution is so left-wing and he wanted to move toward the center and accidently fell into Bushland.

I agree with the poster who said that when we easily accept politics as usual, we are giving all politicians a pass. Yes, all men cheat on their women, so wink, wink, nudge, nudge, no problem if this one does, too. The problem is that they are cheating on their country with special interest hos. But, yawn, everybody does it so it's okay. So you are realists and we are fools.

As a result we elect people like King George and we give him political capital to screw us with.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:38 PM on 06/29/2008

The signs say "HILLARY" The chant says "Hillary". But at least you didn't say "barry" like all hostile closet cases who troll here.

We do need to elect him, you know.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:47 PM on 06/29/2008
- Sabreen60 I'm a Fan of Sabreen60 53 fans permalink
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Geeez. What nonsense. There are REAL sexist issues. Calling her by her first name is not one of them. What did her signs say? What did her supporters chant? With all the issues facing this country this is the best you can come up with????

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:36 PM on 06/29/2008
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At least spell his name right. And wake up and smell the coffee: America has spied on its citizens and non-citizens, non-stop, since the advent of communism. Laws don't stop spies. Presidents do.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:58 AM on 06/30/2008
- NTO08 I'm a Fan of NTO08 19 fans permalink

Your excuses for Obama's position on spying is dangerous.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:25 AM on 06/30/2008
- GJP2006 I'm a Fan of GJP2006 11 fans permalink
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God forbid that any of us have an opinion and place expectations on those we support for higher office. I don't want to live in a country where to go along and get along means my principles are expendable and can be thrown out the window. I, like many others are sick and tired of politics as usual and I am disgusted that the person I supported for the nomination has basically given me and other progressives who donated to him and worked on his behalf, the finger. Yes, we were given the finger over FISA and I am mad as hell about that. Could I sit quietly and be nice as so many on this board advocate - "Can't we just get him elected first!" is what we are told over and over - and called names and berated because we believed, foolishly, in principles and a leader we thought possessed them. We all know how the game has been played; we know that "moving to the center "seems to be the strategy in a general election. I just never thought that moving to the center also meant tossing the Fourth Amendment. I don't vote for the lesser of two evils; I don't vote because I am afraid of what will happen if that other evil twin gets in; I vote on principles and a candidate's stands on issues I deem critical and non-negotiable and those include: war and peace; Constitutional principles and social justice.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:12 PM on 06/29/2008
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Rather than be angry over FISA, watch this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7gtfqsRShY

Jonathan Alter explains what is going on with FISA. Currently, Bush is listening in to anyone without benefit of warrant. FISA will reinstitute the requirement of a court and warrant.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:30 PM on 06/29/2008
- John51 I'm a Fan of John51 10 fans permalink

that's Bull - Read the Bill

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:53 AM on 06/30/2008
- gwhizz I'm a Fan of gwhizz 19 fans permalink

Alter is an idiot and this proves he has no idea what he's talking about.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:25 AM on 06/30/2008
- Busterdawg I'm a Fan of Busterdawg 6 fans permalink

Post of the day as far as I'm concerned. Couldn't agree more.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:26 PM on 06/29/2008
- meanguy I'm a Fan of meanguy 17 fans permalink

yessir, busterdawg...who needs principles when you can have 'hope' and 'change'? what amazes me the most is the fact that so many people fell for his line of snake oil for so long-

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:31 AM on 06/30/2008
- geobushono I'm a Fan of geobushono 15 fans permalink

We progressives knew he'd cave....
I just never expected it so loudly before the Election.......
I really got on board after Edwards dropped out..........I stuck with Barack even as he went to church with the anti-gay bigots, but the FISA flim flam is about MY 4th Amendment.and he lost my vote.
We have a FISA Law, and it has been violated. Drag Bush into Court and let's have that fight..there is no reason to drop back to try to gain advantage.­.......THA­T is a lie.
We Democrats are so strong this time, that I believe a yellow dog could get elected on our Ticket........so all this folderol about needing the ignorant clinton supporters who need to be seduced into voting for Barack is foolishness, and it says more about Barack than those voters.
Barack will win this one hands down, but if I vote for him, I'm lying to myself and I'd be enabling the Corporatist Dems to use my vote to impoverish me and my fellow Citizens.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:05 PM on 06/29/2008
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The corporate Dems and Republicans are laughing themselves sick reading these comments. The corporate Dems are the DLC and Blue Dog Dems. Obama refused to be a member of either group. Do you honestly believe those oil and arms lobbyist-controlled congressman are and their war chests [literally] and their MSM are going to let Obama "win this one hands down" without your help?

Obama is the only one who can win and has done all this without the oil and arms lobbyists. Let McCain get elected, and my family is out of here and you can stay and get drafted by McBush. Cheney's so excited by the prospect, he's probably having to get his pacemaker adjusted every time he reads these pitiful comments. "Drag Bush into court" ! We can't even get his staffers to testify before congress! What do you think Bush's lawyers will do in Bush's judges' courts? The 2000 election, anyone?

People are so jive and never stick to one goal, before running off screaming "The sky is falling!" over some new MSM-directed "revelation". Get real. Get focused. Get ready to take your country back. It takes work, sometimes tiring, repetitive, even exhausting work. It takes showing up and talking to people. We don't do it because it's so hard, we do it because it's so rewarding. Sharing a meal yesterday with over 100 regular people who are working for Obama every way they can is the only reason any of this is bearable.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:22 AM on 06/30/2008
- NTO08 I'm a Fan of NTO08 19 fans permalink

It's not about needing Clinton supporters, who wouldn't vote for him anyway...it is about standing up for principles, not being a mealy-mouthed Dem who caves at a drop of a hat to Bush and his felonious minions. I have read some of the most contemptibly inane excuses for Obama's flip flops here. If you are going to blindly shill for a candidate and toss all sense of self-respect aside, then be prepared to be called out for it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:32 AM on 06/30/2008
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This is for "some" of the posters below (you know who you are):

Nobody thinks that Obama is the Messiah. None of us are brainwashed. None of us are members of a cult. Obama is not an empty suit. Obama is politician with flaws, but also with a lot to offer.

Will you people PLEASE GROW UP and STOP CARICATURING US. It's petty, immature, childish, and completely destroys your credibility. What are you five years old?

I respect Hillary Clinton. I expect you to do the same for Obama. Both of them are fighting the good fight. Yes, there are issues about Obama about which I don't agree. Same for Hillary. But I'm an adult, and I am capable of complex thought. Why don't you give it a try as well?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:51 PM on 06/29/2008
- SlappHappy I'm a Fan of SlappHappy 7 fans permalink

Why don't you grow up and own up to your hypocrisy and your patronizing attitude toward those whose opinions don't match your own?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:07 PM on 06/29/2008
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"Patronizing attitude toward those whose opinions don't match your own" precisely describes just about every single post you've made here.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:31 PM on 06/29/2008
- meanguy I'm a Fan of meanguy 17 fans permalink

cults don't allow mirrors; that way you can't see what you really look like. you've been yakking in the echo chamber for so long, you've forgottent that there is more than one voice out there. as time goes on, and the 'buyer's remorse' we're seeing grows and grows, watch as obama throws more and more people and 'principles' under the bus in order to keep up with the latest opinion polls.
obama is a politician...that much we agree on...and that is ALL he is. there is NOTHING new about his candidacy except his racial background; he's shoveling the same warmed over mcgovernite pablum that was echoed by dukakis, mondale, gore, and kerry, and put into practice by carter-with disastrous results.
i'll start respecting obama when and if he EARNS my respect. so far, he's done nothing noteworthy except read pretty speeches and raise money

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:42 AM on 06/30/2008

WHAT does moving toward the CENTER mean?

.."I've been struck by the speed and decisiveness of his move to the center," said Will Marshall, president of the centrist Progressive Policy Institute...

Who funds the Progressive Policy Institute.??? The far right! They are also the major "intellectual" backers of the DLC (Democratic Leadership Council) which espouses a neo fascist ideology. Sorry folks but the USA is a fascist nation state and is the enemy of mankind.

Does that mean we shouldn't vote for Obama? No. We have to create space to organize for change, we have to oppose the Nationalist, Militarist, Capitalist agenda that the ruling class is pushing.

Remember, the best capitalist is a dead capitalist!!! Think strategically.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:39 PM on 06/29/2008
- gwhizz I'm a Fan of gwhizz 19 fans permalink

"WHAT does moving toward the CENTER mean?"

In this case, it's punditese for "flip flopping". The MSM, after genuflecting at the altar of o. b. a.ma for a year, can't face the fact he's Just Another Pol. They'll get there soon enough.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:29 AM on 06/30/2008

When it was first floated then confirmed by nomination, I opposed Justice Thomas because I thought he had not demonstrated any particular legal expertise (let alone Constitutional expertise). I reviewed his record (impressive) and his writings (what I could find) and concluded (for what it's worth): 1) District court, OK; 2) Appellate, possibly, but would prefer some trial experience (although not always necessary; and 3) Supreme Court, no reason not to consider at some later date after we've had a chance to read what he has to say.

I have not meant to suggest anything other than an insatiable curiosity to understand what I am missing. I know many who understand my concerns as I try to understand theirs; a discussion does not necessarily imply disagreement.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:15 PM on 06/29/2008

It's not that Justice Thomas wasn't a capable person, but that he wasn't qualified for the supreme court. And what has he done for the supreme court since he has arrived? I don't think that Barach is qualified for President. And Bush II wasn't either. Bush I was qualified, though I didn't agree with him on many points.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:00 PM on 06/29/2008
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I admire the bloggers who have crticised 0bama over his stand on the FISA bill. This is exactly the kind of intellectual honesty that is needed in our politics. This is how real change is possible.
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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:09 PM on 06/29/2008
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Debate is fine.
Criticism is fair.
Pretending that there is no difference between McClone and Obama is not.
Nor is demonizing Obama or his supporters as some posters choose to do.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:31 PM on 06/29/2008
- NTO08 I'm a Fan of NTO08 19 fans permalink

Don't be so defensive. Protesting just a little too much.
No one is saying that there is no difference between McCain (get his name right if you are going to be taken seriously) and Obama. What we are saying is that if you want people to know that you stand for some principles, you stick by them and go with them, rather than shifting with the tides to satisfy one's electability quotient.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:43 AM on 06/30/2008
- mrqapla I'm a Fan of mrqapla 2 fans permalink

Obama is just as bad as McCain.
You just can't admit that to yourselves.
Pathetic.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:02 PM on 06/29/2008
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Nonsense.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:18 PM on 06/29/2008
- SlappHappy I'm a Fan of SlappHappy 7 fans permalink

He may not be "as bad as McCain," but that's not the point. Is that what's it come down to already, that Obama merely isn't "as bad as McCain?" How sad is that? What happened to the messiah who was above politics, who wasn't like the evil Clintons with all of their Machiavellian machinations? Huh? He's left the building, replaced by a guy who merely "isn't as bad as McCain." How inspiring!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:57 PM on 06/29/2008
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That is a patent falsehood and you know it. Get a grip!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:29 PM on 06/29/2008
- SlappHappy I'm a Fan of SlappHappy 7 fans permalink

That's nonconformist2's new standard: Obama isn't as bad as McCain, and he'll do exactly what Hillary would have done if she was the nominee! Gee, that's great, can I vote for him now?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:09 PM on 06/29/2008
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Some Republicans may believe this, but most Democrats clearly see the difference between the two, and it's a difference that's not in McCain's favor. It's true that they're both politicians, but that's where the similarity ends.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:46 PM on 06/29/2008

Obama is the “change” candidate. He changes like Hillary & McCain. Oh, he doesn't lie -- like Hillary or McCain. He plays Bill's game: “It depends on what 'is' is.” “Oral sex is not SEX.”

“I said I want telecom accountability, to protect 4th amendment rights -- and I'd do all I could to block immunity.

“But the 4th amendment doesn't apply to telecoms. I meant I wanted accountability AND ALSO to protect 4th amendment rights (against Presidential intrusion). Notice the comma between 'accountability' and 'to protect' of my last paragraph.

“I did NOT say I'd trash national security -- when I said I want telecom accountability. And wanting is not the same as getting for unbearable cost -- cost like 'national security' loss.

“Yes. National security includes security of privacy. Soon I'll explain how destroying privacy makes privacy secure -- when I find the right prose.

“I saw -- last week -- that national security trumps telecom accountability despite telecoms invaded privacies of millions. Telecoms will not secure privacy by invading privacy (as we need) if they're accountable. So national security must trump privacy ... er, trump accountability. I DID 'all' I could to block immunity. In this case, 'all' = nothing.”

Obama is Bill wearing blackface. (Bill was the first Black president: He plays sax.) Obama is Hillary after gender-change. (Women lie. Men speak dissembling prose.)

Vote for a THIRD party candidate. Show you won't settle for lesser evil. Mussolini was evil as Hitler despite he harmed fewer

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:00 PM on 06/29/2008
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Just like those who voted for Nader in 2000 and launched 8 years of Bush. How's that working out for you?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:34 PM on 06/29/2008
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I voted for Gore in 2000 but I like a quote I read today from Nader: "Al Gore won and the election was stolen from him - go after the criminals who stole the election." That about sums it up for me and I wish folks would stop blaming Nader - it is logically inconsistent.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:40 PM on 06/29/2008

Who to vote for, the guy who is clearly awful, or the guy you think is a knight in shining armor, but might be just as bad?

I almost think McCain is better because we know he's terrible, and Obama is more dangerous because he has everyone fooled. Plus, I thought for a millisecond, McCain would be less of a problem because the Democratic Congress would fight him. But that hope flew out the window; if they won't stand up to Bush with a 17% approval rating, they won't stand up to anyone.

This is a very bad year, imo.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:45 PM on 06/29/2008
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Argued like a well-trained GOP partisan. Sorry, this independent voter and son of a WW2 US Marine doesn't buy the Rovian "they're both just as bad - stay home, don't vote/vote for Ralph Nader/give up and blame Obama or Hillary/vote for a war hero "Hundred Years War" McCain" schtick.

Divide and conquer. It worked for Ghengis Khan, it worked for Hitler, it worked for other tyrants, it has worked for Karl Rove and pals. The buck needs to stop here, and Senator Obama IMHO is as good a start as any.

Leland R. Erickson

Citizen

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:27 PM on 06/30/2008
- Robert59 I'm a Fan of Robert59 10 fans permalink

I don't think he undercut his brand one iota. Falling on his sword for telecom immunity might get him laurels from the extremists in the party, but it would hurt him months down the road when the Republicans remind the centrists of Obama's leftism.

Republicans are making more hay with Obama's flip flop on financing his campaign. I don't comprehend why as he was pulling in plenty of money.

If anyone gets a free ride it's been McCain. They are treating him with kid gloves. One could swear he's the MSM's man.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:49 PM on 06/29/2008
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McClone is the MSM's man. He calls them "his base" for a reason.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:02 PM on 06/29/2008
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What would you say if there is a vote next week to authorize war against Iran? Would you use the same logic?

Then what the heck is different? What is the change?

And your phrasing (falling on his sword) assumes that standing up for the rights of the people, and against corporations who might have violated those rights would have haurt him politically. That is not necessarily true. He could have turned this whole thing upside down and made it a citizens' rights issue.

I will still vote for 0bama, but I absolutely cannot justify his stand on the FISA bill.

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:02 PM on 06/29/2008

It would definitely have hurt him politically. He's taken the more expedient route with FISA, certainly, but keep in mind that the Telecomms can still be punished criminally, and I'll take it to the bank that Obama will work for that.

Additionally, I think to say that Obama would authorize waging war on Iran is a heck of a leap and a bit overdramatic.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:42 AM on 06/30/2008
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Many are beginning to realize that Obama's grassroots donations to his campaign is much truer to the meaning of "public financing" than what he and John McCain agreed to, and I don't doubt that John McCain himself would also choose this ideal of public financing if he had the support that Senator Obama enjoys. In the past, it has always been perceived as foolish when the candidate did not accept "public financing" in the context in which it has been established by the parties. Ironically, now that Senator Obama has rejected it, it's no longer foolish, it's a flip-flop, and the GOP pretends to be angry because he's gone against his word, when in fact they're only angry because they're unable to do what he's doing, and they know that what he's doing will give him the advantage he needs to counter their inevitable and slanderous attacks against him. I'm glad he's chosen to stay with his grassroots supporters and contributions, and I've already made two donations to him since he made this decision.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:20 PM on 06/29/2008
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Have you people forgotten who the king of the Land of Flip Flop really is?

McCLONE! And you know it!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:46 PM on 06/29/2008
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BEHOLD your false prophet now!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:43 PM on 06/29/2008
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Nobody thought he was a prophet. And you know it. Stop with the caricatures.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:58 PM on 06/29/2008

I would disagree. How about you go back to the postings from the primary. The O zealots have created a mess.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:40 PM on 06/29/2008
- SlappHappy I'm a Fan of SlappHappy 7 fans permalink

This from the person who now admits that Obama is doing "the exact same thing" Hillary Clinton would be doing in his place. After all of the highly charged rhetoric saying that Obama was above such mere mortals as the Clintons. Why should anyone listen to you?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:00 PM on 06/29/2008
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There never was a prophet, except in the skulls of brainless dittoheads.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:03 PM on 06/29/2008

*rolls eyes*

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:45 AM on 06/30/2008
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Regarding Obama's policies:

1. Death penalty (I disagree with Obama. I'm completely against the death penalty)
2. FISA (I disagree adamantly with Obama)
3. Gay Marriage (I think gays should be able to marry, not just civil unions)
4. Drugs (I think they should be decriminalized)
5. Healthcare (I want socialized medicine, a much bigger step than Obama will take)

And there will be many many other issues where I disagree with Obama. Debate is fine. But I will fight for Obama, I will do everything in my power to get him elected. Because the alternative is Bush's evil twin.

I never expected that a politician as liberal as I am would be able to be elected. But when we have a democrat president and a democratically controlled house and senate, the fundamental positive changes that will be made for this country and the world will be amazing. I'm not naive. I am a cynic. But even I can see the possibilities, if we stop fighing amongst ourselves and do the right thing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:22 PM on 06/29/2008
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Perfectly stated, nonconformist2.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:46 PM on 06/29/2008

Maybe we are 6 months late discussing these issues.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:51 PM on 06/29/2008
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I agree!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:58 PM on 06/29/2008
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Excellent post.

Incremental progress is fine.

It is important to keep in mind that, almost by definition, Liberals and Progressives always have an uphill battle, because we are always going against the powerful and the rich. We, by very nature of our causes, lose more battles than we win and, when we do win, it is usually incremental.

The important thing is to fight on, and get as much as we can at each step. In this instance, our goal should be to pull 0bama as much to our side as possible. Don't dump him, write to him and email and make phone calls, and try to convince him to move to our side.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:16 PM on 06/29/2008
- veracity I'm a Fan of veracity 68 fans permalink

Well Said, non-con2!!

We all know that America's "war on drugs" is a direct parallel to the Romans dragging captured prisonersfrom across the empire through the streets of Rome (on their way to slave markets or gladiator games) - same way many of today's judges, prosecutors, and lawyers used "recreational drugs" in High School or college, but will send defendants who appear before them off to prison for the same thing - but to actually speak out for decriminalizing some drugs (at least on a national scale) is political suicide.

So America's "war on drugs" GULAG goes on and on and on and on and on and on...

(costing us billions, and every day, across the country, some more law enforcement officers are caught somewhere, trying to make an extra buck playing the other side.)

Same with the other issues - political sucide.

But then recall, President Roosevelt was "RIGHT WING" compared to Huey "Kingfish" Long when FDR first ran for president... but as the American economic crisis (depression) became more dire, Roosevelt dipped into the basket of "radical" reforms more and more and more, all the way to the point of 60% tax rate on the rich during WWII, and banning the ownership of gold at some point?!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:59 PM on 06/29/2008
- Busterdawg I'm a Fan of Busterdawg 6 fans permalink

"When Obama takes these mushy positions, it could speak to a character issue."

It could speak to a character issue? It's been a character issue all along. The Obama-crats chose to over his undistinguished, wishy-washy, Illinois Senate record (136 present votes anyone?)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:20 PM on 06/29/2008
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Are you a Clinton supporter? You really want to talk about "character"? Please. They both have flaws. This is the real world. What? Are you new to politics?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:40 PM on 06/29/2008

Funny, during the primary O didn't have a flaw in his entire body. Apparently not the case now. I just love all the justification we are hearing now. Like the HC supporters kept repeating, he's a typical politician. Only you thought he was your messiah.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:41 PM on 06/29/2008
- SlappHappy I'm a Fan of SlappHappy 7 fans permalink

Nonconformist 2 thinks it's cute to try and act patronizing toward people who disagree with it by implying they are just so naive, while in contrast it has been around politics for a quarter century. Too bad it didn't learn anything in all that time.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:35 PM on 06/29/2008
- Busterdawg I'm a Fan of Busterdawg 6 fans permalink

chose to overlook*

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:41 PM on 06/29/2008
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Still much better than the record of that warmongering old geezer Repubs have nominated.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:49 PM on 06/29/2008
- SlappHappy I'm a Fan of SlappHappy 7 fans permalink

So it's come to this -- he's merely better than McCain. That ain't saying a whole lot, is it?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:48 PM on 06/29/2008
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There is something about Obama that tells me this man is the real thing. He is one of the greatest Presidential Candidate our party has ever put forth. I continue to have full faith in his judgment. My gut tells me to trust the man.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:09 PM on 06/29/2008
- SlappHappy I'm a Fan of SlappHappy 7 fans permalink

My gut tells me that Obama is full of hot air.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:47 AM on 06/30/2008
- BardEric I'm a Fan of BardEric 10 fans permalink

At least his head isnt full of air like McCain...Lesser of two evils principles are in play here.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:41 AM on 06/30/2008
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