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First Posted: 06-28-08 12:10 PM   |   Updated: 07- 6-08 05:12 AM

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Obama Unercuts His Brand

Sen. Barack Obama is risking his brand as a political reformer, according to reports today in the Los Angeles Times and the Washington Post. In recent weeks, he has moderated or changed positions on a number of politically-charged issues, leading to criticism from demoralized Democratic activists and charges of "flip-flopping" from conservatives.

The Times reports:

In recent weeks, he toughened his stance on Iran and backed an expansion of the government's wiretapping powers. On Wednesday, he said states should be allowed to execute child rapists. When the Supreme Court the next day struck down the District of Columbia's ban on handguns, he did not complain...


..."I've been struck by the speed and decisiveness of his move to the center," said Will Marshall, president of the centrist Progressive Policy Institute...

...And Obama endorsed a compromise wiretapping bill despite stiff opposition from liberal activists. MoveOn.org, the liberal online activist group, asked its members to flood Obama's campaign office with phone calls and e-mails urging him to support a filibuster of the bill.

The changes carry some risk that Obama will diminish the image he has sought to build as a new type of leader who will change how Washington conducts business. McCain and other Republicans have used his recent policy statements to argue that Obama is a traditional politician, unwilling to take clear stands on tough issues and abandoning his principles when he finds it advantageous.


The Post reports that those who should be his strongest supporters are taking this as a wake-up call:

The switch is not without precedent. On a variety of issues, including gun control and campaign finance regulation, the presumptive Democratic nominee has shown himself willing to settle for incremental changes in the face of political reality rather than to hold out for the sweeping and uncompromising positions he initially stakes out.


But even some who should be his core constituents -- in the Democratic Party's progressive wing and the liberal blogosphere -- have taken his recent maneuvers as a wake-up call. They are warning the senator that in his quest to reach voters in the middle of the political spectrum, he risks depressing the enthusiasm of the voters who clinched the nomination for him.

"American voters tend to reward politicians who take clear stands," said David Sirota, a former Democratic aide on Capitol Hill and author of the new populist-themed book "The Uprising." "When Obama takes these mushy positions, it could speak to a character issue. Voters that don't pay a lot of attention look at one thing: 'Does the guy believe in something?' They may be saying the guy is afraid of his own shadow."

Sen. Barack Obama is risking his brand as a political reformer, according to reports today in the Los Angeles Times and the Washington Post. In recent weeks, he has moderated or changed positions on a...
Sen. Barack Obama is risking his brand as a political reformer, according to reports today in the Los Angeles Times and the Washington Post. In recent weeks, he has moderated or changed positions on a...
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- DeeKres I'm a Fan of DeeKres 3 fans permalink

More on last of my comments:2)Obama has NEVER been against the 2nd Amendment right to bear guns. NEVER. He has always been for rigid registration laws. THAT HAS NOT CHANGED.
3)FISA-For the idiots who are more concerned about revenge against Telecoms, get a law lesson. There is currently NO protections against surveillance of Americans because the FISA bill expired. The MOST important issue is getting court supervision and the requirement for warrants. This compromise bill puts that back in play. It's not the best bill but better than what we have now which is NOTHING! Obama, as a constitutional lawyer also knows the current bill does NOT prohibit going against the Telecoms criminally. And he intends to pursue that course. AND, most importantly functional illiterates, he will be able to do more ONCE in the WH. Now to the closer, while you're tearing Obama down (although I suspect some trolls on line), McCain is getting away with murder on his flip-flops that attempts to hide the danger of Bush all over again. McCain has picked up on this and it has become the Republican mantra to not 'trust' Obama. Are you frigging kidding me? I'd tell all of you purists to grow up and read before you spew your ignorance.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:13 PM on 06/29/2008
- rzan1 I'm a Fan of rzan1 63 fans permalink

There are a lot of trolls commenting here and a lot of Hillary malcontents.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:08 PM on 06/29/2008

And a lot of trolls posing as Hillary malcontents. She had very few supporters as stupid as some of these posts

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:44 PM on 06/29/2008
- fair1234 I'm a Fan of fair1234 2 fans permalink

Huff should have never posted this article because it is making a little thing into a big situation. So what that he tweeked some things for the better of the people. THE REPUBLICANS ARE SO MAD THAT HE IS NOT FITTING THE DEFINITION OF liberal BECAUSE THEY KNOW THAT WOULD HAVE HURT OBAMA THE WAY IT HURT KERRY. I trust that he knows what he is doing but we cant cry everytime he does not wipe our A$$ the way we want him to. Republicans are right about one thing, Democrats are their own worst enemy! Read the FISA bill people and then decide. It is not that serious and if they do not take out the immunity aspect of the bill then I trust he will not support it. Dems have no faith and it is shamefully evident this election cylce!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:11 PM on 06/29/2008

Relax. It's okay to criticise your candidate. In fact, I really, really hope the Dems will criticise him, and make sure he keeps to his professed principles. I really hope Obama gets this message.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:27 PM on 06/29/2008
- wayoutleft I'm a Fan of wayoutleft 41 fans permalink
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are you reading the same thread as i? what a lot of people are explicitly saying is that it's NOT ok to criticize this candidate. and i am no longer criticizing obama. now i am criticizing those people. not only will i not vote to empower obama on pure faith that he's going to be liberal after he's elected. it's gotten easier by far to oppose obama than that. now i can simply vote against empowering such zealot supporters who attack people who question where obama really stands.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:42 PM on 06/29/2008
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Were in America now darling...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:34 PM on 06/29/2008

So it's a little thing that we can't go and sue any telcommunications corporation for conducting illegal work at the request of George W. Bush? What will happen the next time a Democrat or Republican President asks the telcom giants to do a little illegal spying on Americans? The telcoms will immediately bend over backwards, disregard our privacy, and serve up your info in a minute.

This little issue is about taking a stand and saying that our privacy and liberties are sacred. I don't want ANY President to call up my cell phone provider and ask about my private information when they don't have a justifiable reason. Bush already disregarded FISA law and nothing happened to him. The telecoms disregarded the law because the President said it would make us safer. They will disregard this legislation in a heartbeat because they know that nobody will hold them accountable.

This little issue isn't about Republicans or Democrats or this upcoming election. It's unfortunate that a few key Democrats are standing firm against this bill, but none of the leaders (Obama, Clinton, Gore, Kerry, Dean) are showing a spine. And then to say that this is "smart" because it takes away the ability for the Republicans to call us weak on national security? They are going to say that anyway about EVERY ISSUE.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:55 PM on 06/29/2008
- StillIRise I'm a Fan of StillIRise 608 fans permalink
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The bill has NOT been voted on! The vote that was taken was to bring the bill to the floor for debate.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:16 PM on 06/29/2008
- DeeKres I'm a Fan of DeeKres 3 fans permalink

1)I've never seen more ignorant people on the LEFT as I have read here. Even Huffington admitted today that Obama's 'changes' were more in tone than substance but we have to continue to read from either ignorant left or supporters who have never read Obama's words. I'm tired of the so-called 'supporters' agreeing so quickly to an assertion in this article that is backed up with NO facts.
a) From the beginning Obama said he would favor public financing because he supports it. BUT he would have to reach agreement with the opposition to ensure fairness and an equal playing field, talking about 527s and other 'outside' groups. McCain, at the very time, the issue was actually pending for Obama, McCain REFUSED to debunk the 527s and state Republican party ads that were going up at that time against Obama and Michelle. That sealed the deal that Obama will have to raise much more money than allowed under public financing to fight the swiftboaters (maybe so he could win instead of lose like Kerry).

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:07 PM on 06/29/2008
- ebanks84 I'm a Fan of ebanks84 127 fans permalink

All these pious attitudes and opinions on Obama's FISA vote when he hasn't even voted yet is astounding. Here you have a man who let you know in advance how he felt about the legislation and you want to degrade him now that he has to let it go as is because of some unknown reasons that he cannot express to you. What happened to your "stand by your man" praises when you first decided to back this gentlemen? He is NOT THE ONE who did anything wrong to you or removed your rights in the first place. If he could, he would have gotten all of them back I'm sure once he got into office. But he's not even the confirmed nominee yet and you're dragging him through the mud already.

What about the man WHO DID destroy your rights in the first place, BUSH. Why aren't you chewing him out? It just goes to show that all that hot air can get chilled very quickly when the media gets their two cents in to DEVIDE AND DESTROY. All of you know by now that's what they do best and why you would even fall for their opinions behooves me.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:04 PM on 06/29/2008

Obama let us know in advance that he would not support FISA legislation that included retroactive telecom immunity.

Now Obama is letting us know in advance that he will totally support FISA legislation that includes retroactive immunity.

Which Obama am I supposed to stand behind? I'd rather stand behind the guy he was six months ago. Not this guy.

We have chewed Bush on this issue. We don't want Obama to support a bill that gives Bush a pass.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:26 PM on 06/29/2008

Obama 08 all the way

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:57 PM on 06/29/2008

The L.A. Times and the Washington Post carried the water for Bush and the invasion printing as fact many claims by Bush that most knowledgeable people knew were lies. With the spin given here they are doing the same for McCain.

On guns - In 2004 a bill to give the Feds power to confiscate private firearms in a national emergency. was defeated by a coalition of the overwhelming majority of Republicans joined by a 25% coalition of Dems incuding Obama. So the argument that he is inconsistent is just B.S. The issue itself is dwarfed by the fact that there are private armies with tanks helicopter and jets that are occupying vast tracks of land throughout the U.S. That is scarier to me than licensed hand guns.

On telecome immunity ;it won't make much difference whether they have this of that kind of immunity if McCain is elected because we will be in for another four years drift toward fascism.

This stream of strong negative by Obama's erstwhile ardent supporters is feeding directly into the Republican swift boat river. When they burn the Reichstag (a.k.a. October Suprise) I hope Obama can withstand the tide of fear.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:54 PM on 06/29/2008
- Pupster I'm a Fan of Pupster 14 fans permalink

The fringe liberals are always willing to cut off their nose to spite their face. Watch them run to Nader (or write in Hillary or Edwards) for principle's sake.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:42 PM on 06/29/2008

Retroactive telecom immunity won't be fascist if Obama is President? We want to hold the telecoms accountable for getting into bed with Bush. Obama supports giving them a clean pass. What happens two/four/eight years from now when the White House asks the telecoms for a little bit of warrantless wiretapping here and there? The telecoms will immediately wiretap Americans without a warrant because they know nobody will hold them accountable. Republicans won't. And now it appears the leader of the Democrats won't either.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:31 PM on 06/29/2008

Running for election during the primaries is not the same as running as a General election candidate. It is one thing to court the mainstream Liberal devotees and a totally different ball game trying to appeal to Republican party devotees and Independents in the General election. A smart candidate ought to position themselves in the center. Obama can't pull it off with just the grassroots Liberal backers alone. This is a smart and very necessary move on his part. Consider the fact that the Republicans have been thrown off their attack scheme already. Remember the FISA deal? That was a huge trap designed to brand him as weak on Security issues. A smart politician must know how to appeal to the non-sophisticated herd.Those without Internet access and Cable television. The rest of us know who he is by his Party affiliation and Public service track record. But he can't do anything for us unless he becomes President. It's a different game now and he must navigate these treacherous waters with some intuitive wisdom.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:52 PM on 06/29/2008

This isn't a surprise, he's a gifted POLITICIAN who's used every single difference, his mixed race, youth, inexperience peddled as difference and celebrity to win over the shallow and trendy dems that felt swooned by his rhetoric and were unmotivated to dig deeper than his exuberant hopeful but empty speeches. The press must have been captivated too or just fearful of the murky waters that surrounded any criticism of Obama because of the instantaneous cries of racism when anyone said anything short of admiration for him. If they had watched any of the debates, they would have seen the incompetence and lack of direction Obama has beyond the mantra of "change". I am still disappointed in our candidate, but, must vote for him to get rid of the greater evils in the White House. Now, even I'm having to accept the ridiculous slogan, "yes we can". Only now, it seems that it should be changed to, "yes we must".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:22 PM on 06/29/2008
- kitebro I'm a Fan of kitebro 5 fans permalink
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The 527s began during the Dem primaries! Public financing is a joke. And McCain's action involving public financing is downright criminal. I am thrilled that Obama isn't going through with that crap. We will bury McCain.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:59 PM on 06/29/2008

ya'll trippin' me the hell on out! for real! i am so glad i don't have to wait until the convention to see barky fall apart before your eyes! i am having way too much fun right now, but hell, it's going to be even more fun when the rnc trots out all the info in that manual they got on barky. my popcorn is ready!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:22 PM on 06/29/2008
- SlappHappy I'm a Fan of SlappHappy 15 fans permalink

It is pretty sad that the prevailing mood of Democrats is already changing from Obama utopianism to "well, we're stuck with him now." How predictable was that?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:20 PM on 06/29/2008

"Must" v. can. Not a very ringing endorsement. There may be some of Senator Obama's supporters who are going to vote for him no matter what he says/does. To say we "must" vote for anyone precludes free will; or is the alternative so bad it's all we can say. If so, how are we in a better position? I have often voted the "Party line" without much enthusiasm for the top, middle or bottom of the ballot, so I can appreciate the position you are in (lesser of two evils . . .), but to say "must" relegates us to a position of no choice at all.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:30 PM on 06/29/2008

No, Obama is not undercutting his brand… DON"T BUY IT… Obama is EXTENDING his brand and call all Americans in order to unite and erase McCain in November.

SMILE… YOUR enthusiasm will be bigger if we give Obama space in order to EMBRACE the all USA because He has to be the President of ONE AMERICA. He cannot be a President for only the DEM.

YOUR FAITH and BELIEF are IN TEST, actually. BE STRONG - ONLY 4 MONTH LEFT. This article is a TEST about your FAITH. They're looking for Looser. Are you that… No… then…You must Stay Strong to be a Winner because this President is made by the Peoples not by the special interests of lobbyists in Washington DC.

Obs: I've read your blog, so please Read my blog (just before yours)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:39 PM on 06/29/2008

Wow; you are a true supporter. It must be satisfying to be able to "[T]rust that he knows what he is doing. . .." If Senator Obama cannot withstand the questioning of his actions now, what happens if . . .? You may believe it is somehow damaging to Senator Obama to wipe our Asses, but those of us asking for substantive reasons to support him should not be impugned for out obvious ignorance re why we should be supportive of Senator Obama; enlighten us, don't attack us; don't worry about what the Republicans will do/say, they are going to do/say what they will; help those of us asking for your guidance (not instruction) in understanding why we should believe as you believe. It does no good to criticize your allies.

Re FISA, I am unhappy with the concept we must spy on our own to preclude the "enemy" from injuring us. We do not need to forgo Civil Liberties to protect ourselves. A determined enemy may/will find a way to harm us irrespective of whether we spy on ourselves.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:42 PM on 06/29/2008
- pleeezzze I'm a Fan of pleeezzze 6 fans permalink

I'd say rosalas point was " what other choices do we have ? "

One or the other !

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:12 PM on 06/29/2008
- SlappHappy I'm a Fan of SlappHappy 15 fans permalink

If by chance Obama does happen to get elected, which is no sure thing, you know who the biggest Obama -haters will be in a couple of years? The people who were so in love with him during the Democratic primary, the same ones who were so anti-Clinton because they were "politicians." Guess what? Obama is a politician and nothing more. He's abandoning liberal ideals so fast that it makes the head swim.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:20 PM on 06/29/2008
- ebanks84 I'm a Fan of ebanks84 127 fans permalink

He's doing what he "has" to do to make it into office and I'm sure those who advise him are pushing him in that direction. I believe in the man, not the procedures he has to take.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:07 PM on 06/29/2008
- SlappHappy I'm a Fan of SlappHappy 15 fans permalink

"I believe in the man, not the procedures he has to take."

That is a very dangerous statement. I'm sure some people said the same thing about Hitler. Not that Obama is anything like him, but a cult of personality is always a bad thing. You need to judge people by their actions, not by your faith in them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:29 PM on 06/29/2008

What he "has" to do to get elected? So you admit he's a typical politician.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:10 PM on 06/29/2008
- swoosie1 I'm a Fan of swoosie1 7 fans permalink

You are so deluded. I cannot believe what the cult will say about their new Jesus.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:37 PM on 06/29/2008
- scooperss I'm a Fan of scooperss 76 fans permalink
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How do you know which side of him is real? The side he showed to get the nomination or the side he's showing now?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:58 PM on 06/29/2008
- rzan1 I'm a Fan of rzan1 63 fans permalink

Still can't stand the Clintons.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:32 PM on 06/29/2008

thank you SlappHappy! ain't that the danged truth? these very people will be hating so bad because of the disappointment! and you know what i fear? that they will accuse him of being black and take it out on us! but hell, i'm used to that anyway.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:22 PM on 06/29/2008

How can one undercut deceptive?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:09 PM on 06/29/2008
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YOu should know from personal experience.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:45 PM on 06/29/2008
- Ergon I'm a Fan of Ergon 98 fans permalink
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I truly have high hopes for him.
But realistically, with the present Congress, maybe not.
We need independent congress critters, not those with husbands in the War supply business.
Cindy Sheehan for Congress!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:06 PM on 06/29/2008
- steve12 I'm a Fan of steve12 14 fans permalink

Cindy Sheehan has no chance for national office. GET REAL!!! This Congress can't do anything. It takes 60 votes to get anything out of the Senate and the House margin is pretty thin as well.

Get off your rear ends and help elect progressives into office. Leave the Cindy Sheehans at home.

Decide to win for a change!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:43 PM on 06/29/2008

What does he have to lose in changing his principles? Nothing, with so many of his supporters no more than hero worshipers he can say or do anything and the substance of what he says will never be questioned. Leaders who gain power as the object of personality cults are very dangerous.

"The great enemy of clear language is insincerity. When there is a gap between one's real and one's declared aims, one turns, as it were, instinctively to long words and exhausted idioms, like a cuttlefish squirting out ink." Orwell

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:00 PM on 06/29/2008
- swoosie1 I'm a Fan of swoosie1 7 fans permalink

Agreed. This is one of those cultist leaders and it really is scary.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:38 PM on 06/29/2008
- ilcapo I'm a Fan of ilcapo 4 fans permalink

Hillary Clinton has her own cult and you are a charter member.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:51 PM on 06/29/2008
- MacDaffy I'm a Fan of MacDaffy 6 fans permalink

I've read H.R. 6034 The FISA Amendments Act. It does some very good and useful things. Barack Obama supports the bill WITHOUT IMMUNITY, which is what he has a chance to prove when the bill comes up for consideration after the Fourth of July recess. If it still has the immunity clause in it when it comes up for a vote, I expect him to vote against it. He will have kept his word.

Besides, if I were the telecom industry, *I'D* ask them to go back and rewrite it. As John Dean points out, nothing in the immunity provision indemnifies the telecoms from criminal prosecution. Also, immunity is entirely dependent on the decision of the attorney general. If I were a lawyer with standing, I'd tell my client to volunteer for the Obama campaign and wait to file until January 21st, 2009. The right attorney general would GUARANTEE that suits go forward.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:57 PM on 06/29/2008
- rkrenke I'm a Fan of rkrenke 24 fans permalink

FISA was just fine the way it was - this legislation is unnecessary.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:17 PM on 06/29/2008

Sounds like he might (conveniently) miss the vote if he goes on his grand tour in July. I'm very disappointed in him. I simply don't see what he hopes to game(oops, meant to say *gain*...game works better in a way, doesn't it?) from the change of direction on FISA. It's much more important for him to keep his word. I'll vote for him, but the enthusiasm is gone at the moment and I don't feel the need to send his campaign any more money since I was doing without to make donations during the primaries.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:21 PM on 06/29/2008

.."I've been struck by the speed and decisiveness of his move to the center," said Will Marshall, president of the centrist Progressive Policy Institute...

I am not!. It is what always happens, appeal to the far left. Get the nomination then move center. Why is this a mystery?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:56 PM on 06/29/2008
- SlappHappy I'm a Fan of SlappHappy 15 fans permalink

"It is what always happens, appeal to the far left. Get the nomination then move center. Why is this a mystery?"

Ah, but you miss the point here. Obama was the one who was going to be *different,* you see. He wasn't going to be like all the others. Except that he is.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:22 PM on 06/29/2008
- rzan1 I'm a Fan of rzan1 63 fans permalink

Except that he is different. The very fact of his candidacy is revolutionary and new. I am 60 years old and remember the civil rights era, and I never believed we would see an
African-American in the White House in my lifetime. This holds out hope not only for many Americans but also for people across the planet. You, SlappHappy are a cynic.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:54 PM on 06/29/2008

Here is an email I received from my senator on th FISA issue
In a nutshell, it is constitutional but it doesn't offer us the ability to sue the telecommunications giants.
And don't forget Obama is playing politics to win, he has to appear more moderate for the independents. You guys know this, just stick by his side - when the man is in office all hell will break loose on the neo-conservative agenda.

Bill Nelson,

Thank you for contacting me about the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA).
On February 12, 2008, the Senate passed an updated version of FISA (S. 2248) by a vote of 68-29. The bill contains protections for Americans’ civil liberties beyond those in the Protect America Act (which amended the FISA law last summer) while also enabling the U.S. to get the information it needs to stop terrorist plots.

During the FISA debates, I cosponsored an amendment offered by Senator Feinstein that would have modified one part of the bill on telephone company immunity. Specifically, it would have allowed lawsuits to go forward unless the FISA courts grant immunity to the telecommunications companies after a three-step judicial review. This amendment failed by a 57-41 vote, as a majority of 60 votes was required for passage. I also supported an amendment that would have allowed lawsuits against these companies to proceed with the Federal government substituted as the defendant. Unfortunately, this amendment also failed on the Senate floor.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:50 PM on 06/29/2008

I had to tell my Representative that I won't be able to support him after voting for FISA. It's too bad because he's the guy who replaced Tom DeLay.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:34 PM on 06/29/2008
- fair1234 I'm a Fan of fair1234 2 fans permalink

Brakmaster, I have read your profile and you are the one full of deception. you never supported Obama in the first place so stop acting so hurt about the FiSA situation because it would have been something else you did not like to. Democrats are their worst enemies and Obama is smart and he panders to neither the left or the right. He does what he thinks is right not what makes democrats stop crying. he is the president for all people so get over yourself.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:04 PM on 06/29/2008
- fair1234 I'm a Fan of fair1234 2 fans permalink

brakmaster is a fraud! you never liked Obama in the first place, I saw your profile.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:11 PM on 06/29/2008
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You're behaving foolishly.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:47 PM on 06/29/2008
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