Might Obama's Success Undercut Affirmative Action?

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CHARLES BABINGTON | June 28, 2008 11:57 AM EST | AP

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Supporters hold signs for Democratic presidential hopefuls Sen. Barack Obama D-Ill., and Sen. Hillary Clinton D-N.Y., in this Monday, March 17, 2008 file photo taken in Scranton, Pa. Obama's political success might claim an unintended victim: affirmative action, a much-debated policy that he supports. If Americans make a black person the leading contender for president, as nationwide polls suggest, how can racial prejudice be so prevalent and potent that it justifies special efforts to place minorities in coveted jobs and schools? (AP Photo/Alex Brandon)

WASHINGTON — Barack Obama's political success might claim an unintended victim: affirmative action, a much-debated policy he supports.

Already weakened by several court rulings and state referendums, affirmative action now confronts a challenge to its very reason for existing. If Americans make a black person the leading contender for president, as nationwide polls suggest, how can racial prejudice be so prevalent and potent that it justifies special efforts to place minorities in coveted jobs and schools?

"The primary rationale for affirmative action is that America is institutionally racist and institutionally sexist," said Ward Connerly, the leader of state-by-state efforts to end what he and others consider policies of reverse discrimination. "That rationale is undercut in a major way when you look at the success of Senator Clinton and Senator Obama." Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York battled Obama to the end of the Democratic primary process.

Other critics of affirmative action agree. "Obama is further evidence that the great majority of Americans reject discrimination, reject prejudice," said Todd F. Gaziano, a scholar at the conservative Heritage Foundation and a member of the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights.

Not so fast, say supporters of affirmative action. Just because Barack Obama, Oprah Winfrey and other minorities have reached the top of their professions does not mean that ordinary blacks, Latinos or women are free from day-to-day biases that deny them equal access to top schools or jobs, they say.

As affirmative action's power has diminished, minority enrollment has fallen at many prominent colleges, said Gary Orfield, an authority on the subject at the University of California, Los Angeles.

"If people get the impression from Obama's success that the racial problems of this country have been solved, that would be very sad," Orfield said. "In some ways we have moved backwards" in recent years, he said.

Wade Henderson, head of the Leadership Conference on Civil Rights, said, "Exceptions don't make the rule."

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"By any measure, Obama and Clinton are clearly exceptional individuals," he said. "When you really examine the masses of Americans, especially women and people of color, you still find incredible disparities," which justify the continuation of affirmative action programs.

Obama, who asks voters neither to support nor oppose him on the basis of his race, has dealt gently with affirmative action. He says his two young daughters have enjoyed great advantages and therefore should not receive special consideration because of their race.

"On the other hand," he said in an April debate, "if there's a young white person who has been working hard, struggling, and has overcome great odds, that's something that should be taken into account" by people such as college admission officers.

"So I still believe in affirmative action as a means of overcoming both historic and potentially current discrimination," Obama said. "But I think that it can't be a quota system and it can't be something that is simply applied without looking at the whole person, whether that person is black, or white, or Hispanic, male or female."

Tucker Bounds, spokesman for Republican presidential candidate John McCain, said McCain's commitment to equal opportunity "means aggressively enforcing our nation's anti-discrimination laws."

"It also means rejecting affirmative action plans and quotas that give weight to one group of Americans at the expense of another," Bounds said. "Plans that result in quotas, where such plans have not been judicially created to remedy a specific, proven act of discrimination, only result in more discrimination."

Affirmative action, a term coined in the early 1960s, is a loosely defined set of policies meant to help rectify discrimination based on race, religion, sex or national origin. It quickly proved controversial, especially in the public arena, as some white males alleged they were losing government jobs and public university admissions to less qualified minorities and women.

The Supreme Court ruled 30 years ago that universities could use race as one factor in choosing applicants, but it banned quotas. Subsequent court decisions placed more restrictions on affirmative action, and Connerly and others launched ballot initiatives that virtually crippled it in some states.

In 1996, California voters passed Proposition 209, pushed by Connerly. It bars all government institutions from giving preferential treatment to people based on race or gender, and particularly affects college admissions and government contracts. Similar measures passed in Michigan and Washington state. Connerly hopes to have versions on the ballots this fall in Colorado, Nebraska and Arizona.

The erosion of affirmative action is forcing colleges and other institutions to seek new ways of pursuing diversity, with mixed results.

"What had been a national policy is being dismantled, state by state," University of Washington President Mark A. Emmert wrote in the Christian Science Monitor last year. He said his campus has learned that it still can "ensure diversity and access to higher education, particularly by taking socio-economic factors into account."

While Emmert laments the erosion of affirmative action, others say it is overdue. It's great if Obama's success hastens the process, they say, but previous achievements by blacks in business, government, entertainment and other fields already have undermined the argument that racial discrimination is rampant.

Defenders of affirmative action cite continuing disparities between blacks and whites in areas such as income, education achievement, health care and incarceration rates. These disparities, however, "have roots in problems that are not addressed by affirmative action," said Abigail Thernstrom, a Manhattan Institute senior fellow and vice chair of the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights.

They are complex, deep-seated factors that put many minority children behind their peers as early as kindergarten, she said. In confronting such challenges, she said, "racial preferences don't solve anything."

To some extent, Obama agrees that affirmative action is poorly suited to address such problems. But it still is needed, he says.

"Affirmative action is an important tool, although a limited tool," Obama told National Public Radio last year.

"I say limited simply because a large portion of our young people right now never even benefit from affirmative action because they're not graduating from high school," he said. "And unless we do a better job with early childhood education, fixing crumbling schools, investing to make sure that we've got an excellent teacher in front of every classroom, and then making college affordable, we're not even going to reach the point where our children can benefit from affirmative action."

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On the Net:

U.S. Commission on Civil Rights: http://www.usccr.gov

American Civil Rights Institute: http://www.acri.org

Civil Rights Coalition: http://www.civilrights.org/

American Association for Affirmative Action: http://www.affirmativeaction.org

WASHINGTON — Barack Obama's political success might claim an unintended victim: affirmative action, a much-debated policy he supports. Already weakened by several court rulings and state refere...
WASHINGTON — Barack Obama's political success might claim an unintended victim: affirmative action, a much-debated policy he supports. Already weakened by several court rulings and state refere...
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As an African American who benefited from affirmative action just as George W. Bush did (I got into CCNY as a disadvantaged minority and he got into Yale because his father went there), i believe that affirmative action should be developed now along class lines rather than racial/gender lines. There are plenty of poor whites who, while not necessarily disadvantaged by affirmative action, have not been advantaged by it, and they deserve to be.

How? Every first generation college applicant will receive heightened review of their applications and supportive services to help them through college.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:50 PM on 06/29/2008

I'd agree to that.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:20 PM on 06/29/2008
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I would hardly call what got G.B. into Yale as affirmative action, but I do agree with you. I do think it's time for us to look at class, rather than race/gender as a qualifier.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:31 PM on 06/29/2008

You're right. George Bush was not minimally qualified to attend Yale.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:06 AM on 06/30/2008

You are absolutely correct. I have had this opinion for quite a while and most blacks that I know feel this way. The average non-black person would be suprised that a lot of us hold this opinion. The real issue is about an entire class of people (black, white, hispanic, etc.) that just needs a fair chance because of the dispicable educational system that has made it almost impossible for them to compete. If a more comprehensive affrimative action plan was inacted for the next two generations of students with a simultaneous overhaul of the public school system there would be no need for affirmative action as it relates to college students.
You would still have those who would not excel, but my goodness...at least give them a choice!
Can anyone say lower crime rates, less teen pregnancy, a more competative workforce, more diverse advances in science and technology? I could go on and on.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:54 PM on 06/29/2008
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Of course it would undercut affirmative action. People who use the color of their skin as a reason for their inablitity to suceed won't have such excuses anymore.

I think affirmative action should be based on class and not race.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:34 PM on 06/29/2008

We had to fight a war that killed 400,000 Americans to free the salves. And you don't think that just a few of those people that didn't like AA aren't still around? And will not hold AA back from jobs and housing? Do you really beleive that? Are or you just being a biggot.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:21 PM on 06/29/2008

I love how if you don't agree with people like you, you get called a bigot. And if you think that war was fought to free slaves then you need to read up on your history. I bet you think we went into Iraq to give the people democracy too. All wars are about greed and power.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:53 PM on 06/29/2008

As opposed to the way affirmative action will advance if a white man is president?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:29 PM on 06/29/2008

Hmm I could be wrong but didnt I just read about discrimination and overt racism in the SECRET SERVICE. The people who are suppose to be protecting the President if its that far up we still have work to do. Something thats different about Obama that I've heard white people say is the reason why they trust him and would vote for him is because his mother is white. If he had two AA parent do you think he would have come that far thats open for debate. I favor a more class base type Affirmative but to say that Affirmative is no longer necessary because we may have our first AA president after 400 years is naieve and frankly ridiculous. We've come far but not that far.

AA life expectancy is still lower than whites
AA High school graduation rates is still lower than whites
AA College graduation rates still lower than whites
AA Average annual salary is still lower than whites
AAInfant mortality rate is still higher than whites in fact its comparable to some third world countries

Sorry but we've got work to do still. Thats the purpose of Affirmative Action to create parity in some of these areas not to elect the first AA President.

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:29 PM on 06/29/2008
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Ahh, worry politicking at it's most hilarious. Lets see...43 white male presidents, one mulatto president. Now, how many white male corporate CEOs are there compared to the number of African American or female (or both) CEOs are there? In the high tech industry, the best engineering jobs are almost exclusively held by White or Asian males. The lower paying, lower responsibility jobs are where women and African/Black-Americans tend to fall. Now lets shift to the law profession. How many lawyers are white men vs. female or African-American? Medical? How many surgeons are men vs. how many are women?

Affirmative action isn't going away just because we will have a black president. Even the thought of it is silly.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:32 PM on 06/29/2008
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Affirmative action should go the way of the dinosaur that it is. Equal opportunity for all.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:32 PM on 06/29/2008

Lets have affirmative action for poor people.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:15 PM on 06/29/2008

That would make sense. Especially in the Appalachians of WV, KY, Southern Ohio, etc. But it won't happen. Poor whites are forgotten forever. They might get running water, however, in the next hundred years.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:03 PM on 06/29/2008

It should be about class not race.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:07 AM on 06/30/2008

Oh, I definitely agree. And yet whenever I see "Pursuit of Happyness" I am not filled with happyness for the one guy who made it against all odds, but rather an intense hatred of the entire corporate system that would invite twenty people to work an intense job without a salary for six months just to see which one of them might be good enough to win an actual paying job.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:33 PM on 06/29/2008
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Affirmative action is institutional racism. Plain and simple.

It's a system that allows racism to persist by discriminating against people based on the fundamentally arbitrary classification of race, and facilitates and allows for the perpetuation of interacial resentments and discrimination.

It is racism. There is no debating that.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:37 PM on 06/29/2008

Affirmative Action was created as a reaction to institutional racism (Dick Gregory recall in one of his books that his black Phy Ed teacher had a PHD IN ECONOMICS).
The Standard BS, knee-jerk response of conservatives, that is is "reverse discrimination" is tantamount to a rape victim being harranged by their molester as a "reverse rapist".

Did I mention that the largest benefactor of Affirmative Action is WHITE WOMEN?

If ignorance isn't strength: why are there republicans?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:21 PM on 06/29/2008
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The reason the largest benefactor of AA is white women (if true) would be that women in general are discriminated against in the work force generally and for substantial amount of dollars. Women, we are not constitutionally protected. Time to ratify the ERA.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:35 PM on 06/29/2008

It was a REPUBLICAN president, Richard Nixon, along with advisor Dr. Arthur Fletcher, who created 'Affirmative Action'. Oh, how everybody has forgot.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:58 PM on 06/29/2008
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It's not a standard knee-jerk reaction when again I can see that clearly America has all but forgotten and would much rather ignore its sizeable Asian population and leave it out of any and all possible race discussions.

It's not a standard knee-jerk reaction when Asians are not afforded any type of preferential hiring practices and yet are the most discriminated against in college admissions.

It's not a standard conservative knee jerk reaction when half of all qualified asian students are turned away from upper-level universities simply in the name of campus diversity.

So don't talk to me like I'm white. Asians get shafted any way you cut it and you Americans always seem to so conveniently forget us whenever you discuss race in your Black-White binaries.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:54 AM on 06/30/2008

White people complaining about racism is like Ike Turner complaining about domestic violence, I mean COME..ON....

A white felon is more likely to be hired for a job than a black man with the same qualifications and a clean record....GEE WONDER WHY.

Blacks and hispanics are more likely to be hired for jobs via phone interview then they are with in person interviews (study I read).

We clearly need affirmative action because of these things.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:51 PM on 06/29/2008
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And how does affirmative action hold up when I'm asian and I have the greatest difficulty getting into college because of "campus diversity"?

Asians have none of the inherent benefits that white people do, and we are discriminated against the most.

How does your system hold up now?

It's racism, pure and simple.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:50 AM on 06/30/2008

In case you had not noticed, affirmative action has pretty well gone the route of the appendix in humans. Still technically around, but not really used. As a former senior HR exec, my observation is that the gutting of the budget and staff for the Office of Federal Contract Compliance has meant that enforcement is pretty nil. Affirmative Action Plans may get done - they just don't mean much.

Obama (both Barack and Michelle) are successful on their own merits, as are any number of other people of color. Affirmative action has nothing to do with it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:40 PM on 06/29/2008

Affirmative action should be based on zip codes. Too many needy people are being excluded and affirmative action is going to some who don't need it. That is one of the problems in Appalachia where there are so many down-and-out whites who are very resentful that their opportunities are limited. My daughter went to a college where the minorities seemed to have as much money as we did. Some of their parents had been educated under affirmative action and were doing very well. The program should stay in play but zip codes are a better guide.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:41 PM on 06/29/2008

Obama on Affirmative Action:

OBAMA vs CLINTON Philly Debate pt.11
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBkCLe2FyoE&feature=related

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:24 PM on 06/29/2008

One year of Affirmative Action for every year of Slavery. I wish America would have been so eagle to end Slavery after 40 years or so the way they are so eagle to end Affirmative Action.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:15 PM on 06/29/2008
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Yep.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:15 PM on 06/29/2008

People need to Educate themselve on Affirmative Aciton. Affirmative Action applies to more than black folks.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:10 PM on 06/29/2008

Here that black people. Make sure all blacks stay poor and powerless, because if whites see any black succeed they might take away affirmative action. So make sure you don't get promoted, make sure your kids don't graduate high school, make sure you don't make more than minimum wage, make sure the jails are full of blacks, make sure black life expectancy doesn't increase & heaven forbid there's ever a black president. We got keep the whole world looking down at blacks or whites might take away affirmative action.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:41 PM on 06/29/2008

Did Thurgood Marshall's success undercut Affirmative Action? Did the success of Clarence Thomas undercut Affirmative Action?
This entire topic paints Obama as the "Affirmative Action" candidate, which is vacuous at best. Lost in this entire dialogue is the fact that Obama is the ONLY Black US Senator in the 100-member body.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:19 PM on 06/29/2008
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Great points! But watch out naijaman, you may just get censored. Some here at HuffPo don't like it when you expose the racism that thrives in parts of the country.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:24 PM on 06/29/2008
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While it is true that affirmative action is designed to address institutional racism and sexism, I think that the argument that the successes that Senators Obama and Clinton, both members of protected classes achieved to date do not threaten affirmative action is flawed.
Affirmative action is not threatened because elective office quite different from private industry in that there is an opportunity for greater participation in the decision making process - by voters. When we consider corporate America, many of us are reminded of 'the old boys club." The decisions made (nee votes cast) in an election are quite different from the decisions made by individuals or small groups of individuals for the purposes of hiring and admitting to club memberships.
Affirmative Action is still a very vital tool in our society.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:51 PM on 06/29/2008
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