Sunday Pundits Allude To Coming False Obama 'Flip-Flop' Accusation

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First Posted: 06-29-08 03:52 PM   |   Updated: 07- 7-08 05:12 AM

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So, where is the angry and unhinged right poised to mount their next attack on Obama? Obviously, it won't be on an economic issue - Obama is running strongest on the domestic economy and the likelihood of John McCain, who's been trying to sell "I don't know much about the economy" as folksy and the "psychological effects" of offshore drilling as a real-world solution, getting back in the race on the economy just isn't in the cards.

No, the next big offensive against Obama is going to come on the Iraq war front. Obama has recently announced his intent to visit Iraq to take stock in the conditions on the ground, and the GOP has already come up with a plan: when Obama returns from Iraq, the position he has taken on withdrawal for these many months of the Democratic primary - in which we extricate ourselves gradually and carefully in a sixteen month process - will be sold as a new idea, a tack toward the Bush/McCain policy of eternal war and a flip-flop on his current stand.

On this morning's Fox News Sunday, Bill Kristol set the stage for this bit of subterfuge, saying:

KRISTOL: The voters tend not to punish political leaders for adjusting their views especially if they come towards the voters. The next big flip for Obama, this will make Brit even more astonished, will be on Iraq. He's going to go to Iraq, meet with General Petraeus, decide the "Surge" is working and walk back from his immediate, unconditional withdrawal. Suddenly it's going to be, well...we're going to be very careful...gradual, honorable withdrawal - Obama said the other day, an honorable conclusion to the Iraq war.

[WATCH.]

See what's going on there? Kristol is setting up this long con, in which the candidate who rather masterfully questioned Petraeus the last time the two met in hearings, goes to Iraq, gets seduced by the general and becomes a fan of the Surge, and suddenly starts waffling on his promises to end the war, substituting an "immediate" withdrawal with a "gradual" one...an "unconditional" withdrawal with one that's "honorable." Of course, Obama has never said the withdrawal would be anything but gradual and honorable, but the GOP is counting on voters falling for this ruse and believing it to be another chapter in their flip-flop fable.

And if you are looking for a pattern of incidence, look no further. Kristol's set-up on Fox was echoed on ABC's This Week - though less artfully - by Hugh Hewitt, who tells an outright lie about Obama's previous withdrawal plan so that it can later appear that his consistently-stated position is a flip-flop. As you watch this clip, look for the moment that Hewitt attempts to establish Obama's withdrawal plan as a "six-month" plan, instead of the sixteen-month plan he's been advocating for months. Fortunately, Arianna and Katrina VandenHeuvel were in the room, and they immediately put the hammer down on Hewitt's prevarications.

[WATCH.]

The tendency of the desperate right to attempt to capture Obama's consistently held positions as sudden flip-flops has been seen outside the Iraq War issue as well. In a recent preview for Fortune's interview with Obama, writer Nina Easton attempted the same piece of trickery, presenting Obama's well-known stance on NAFTA as a sudden and pandering change of heart, even though the record demonstrated no change in position. Watch for similar attempts to be made in the run up to and the conclusion of Obama's trip to Iraq.

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- FogBelter I'm a Fan of FogBelter 300 fans permalink
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How can we expect anything else from the stable of Fox News pundits who worship at the fecal totem of Karl Rove?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:45 AM on 06/30/2008
- paulbikes I'm a Fan of paulbikes 8 fans permalink

fecal totem, fox news and karl rove in one sentence. my morning has been made.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:08 AM on 06/30/2008
- dadw5boys I'm a Fan of dadw5boys 282 fans permalink
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Kristol get $ 150,000.00 per lie he tells on National T.V..

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:17 AM on 06/30/2008
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Their only hope is to continually repeat the lie and hope people will start to believe it. The MSM won't check a damn thing; most are too lazy and they have deadlines to meet. They can't be bothered to check out facts and report the truth. Look, it happened to Gore, and it will happen again, only if we let it. Pay attention to the BBC and the Canadian version, the CBC. You might stand a better chance of getting the truth.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:11 AM on 06/30/2008

Yep every week there's a new "tactic" from the republicans. This week it's McCain cares more about his country then getting elected. It was so obvious today on the Sunday shows as McCain surrogates repeated their "new" talking points. They can repeat the script all they like, McCain is nothing more than an extension of Bush and my belief is this country doesn't want another minute or day of the Bush, Mcsame policies.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:36 AM on 06/30/2008
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Every Democrat is accused of being a flip-fopper, or a softie, or an exaggerator, or a serial killer (oh, the '90s), but everybody gets what the republicans are doing now.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:53 AM on 06/30/2008

Just another right wing trick, I hope Americans are paying attention this time. This is too important to fall for their tircks and games.

Obama

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:40 AM on 06/30/2008
- SwingVoter I'm a Fan of SwingVoter 19 fans permalink
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Katrina vanden Heuvel and Arianna Huffington are two brilliant women, and I am glad they corrected those ****** immediately before they try to stick a label on Obama, creating a non-issue.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:24 AM on 06/30/2008
- iswideopen I'm a Fan of iswideopen 79 fans permalink
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Fox News? Get real. The media had better be pushing the McCainn's tax fiasco. The voters will be watching. Flip-Flops belong in McBush's column. The list is too long to count; up to and including "I want to run a respectful campaign". If that were true, you NEVER would have allowed any part of the GOP to lie and virally slander Mrs. Obama or Senator Obama. You loose, McBush, you liar.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:12 AM on 06/30/2008
- paulbikes I'm a Fan of paulbikes 8 fans permalink

other than a handful of hilarious cuts on youtube, has anyone really compiled both candidates flip flops somewhere? It would be nice to see obamas handful that are mostly not a big deal at all, next to Johnny's long, shameful list.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:12 AM on 06/30/2008
- lotuslike I'm a Fan of lotuslike 8 fans permalink

I heard Hewitt in action this morning---and was sooo thankful that Katrina and Arianna were there to slap that old numb nuts down when he blurted out that 'withdrawal in 6 months' garbage.

These folks have nothing at all going for them. Except corporate media, unfortunately.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:58 PM on 06/29/2008
- paulbikes I'm a Fan of paulbikes 8 fans permalink

One wonders, its not like they bother to report on IRAQ in any meaningful capacity, and the reporting of Johnny's follies would make great news tv...

lame. So much for our free press.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:13 AM on 06/30/2008

Kristol and his pals in the "PNAC" have done more to destroy this country then any group in history.
When you think about Jefferson, Paine, Hancock, Washington and Adams; then contrast that with Kristol, Rumsfeld, Bolton, Perle, et al, The one thing that it proves is that DARWIN WAS WRONG.
Check: http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Project_for_the_New_American_Century
It explains what traitors these people are.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:29 PM on 06/29/2008
- darthdarcy I'm a Fan of darthdarcy 48 fans permalink
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These are the most pernicious pusillanimous devious despicable swine anyone can imagine...

Why they are allowed any credibility and given such exposure is a disgrace to our entire nation...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:48 PM on 06/29/2008

Would you like to get rid of the First Amendment? That's what it would take, then you couldn't express your opinions, either.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:31 PM on 06/29/2008

They can speak freely. On a street corner.

But the media chooses who gets to speak on their national platforms. You and I don't have a First Amendment right to drive down to the local TV station and demand to be put on the air. We must first persuade them that what we have to say is worthy of being broadcast.

When people knowing perpetrate coordinated schemes to spread lies, they should lose their access to the precious few minutes allotted to pundits and commentators.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:17 AM on 06/30/2008
- jOke I'm a Fan of jOke 2 fans permalink

Amen to this column..

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:33 PM on 06/29/2008
- harriscrl3 I'm a Fan of harriscrl3 191 fans permalink

Is it me or is all these pundits just seem to be spending way too much time talking about Obama and not nearly enough talking about McCain. I'm not talking about positive talk but every morning program I go to Obama Obama and they will mention McCain for like two seconds and then go back to Obama.

Carol

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:19 PM on 06/29/2008
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When it comes to the Republicans, the policy is: "If you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all." And there's just not much nice to say.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:34 PM on 06/29/2008

Your comment comes across as meaning there isn't much nice to say at all - about Democrats. Is that what you wanted to say?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:35 PM on 06/29/2008
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Obama never said all the troops will pack up and go all at once. You can't move 100,000 plus people all at once. (see end of Vietnam) It could take at least 18 months. The GOP is in the "last throws"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:14 PM on 06/29/2008
- Candyx I'm a Fan of Candyx 6 fans permalink

Exactly he has never said that and its typical of the right to twist words in their favor!!! Guess what the American people know what was said. So now you look like the liar.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:22 PM on 06/29/2008
- NickNas I'm a Fan of NickNas 6 fans permalink

Well we all KNOW that a Leader shuold NEVER get expert opinions, take counsul from advisors and perhaps reevaluate a position.

NO! we want a leader who is a DECIEDER and goes with his GUT! STAYS the COURSE no matter WHAT! Its been working just FINE up until now right?

All we have to do is elect a republican and we will get to continue their winning ways

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:09 PM on 06/29/2008
- Vige I'm a Fan of Vige 6 fans permalink
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Hello GOP, Americans are not happy and we are paying attention.

You fooled us ones and it is a shame on us. You are trying to fool us again and it is going to be a big shame on you. A really big shame on you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:06 PM on 06/29/2008
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