For McCain A Candidate's Military Pedigree Hasn't Always Mattered

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First Posted: 07- 1-08 02:02 PM   |   Updated: 07- 9-08 05:12 AM

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For the third straight day, Sen. John McCain's presidential campaign has raised a ruckus over comments suggesting that his military service may not, in and of itself, qualify the Senator to be commander-in-chief.

On Tuesday, the campaign hosted a conference call with reporters during which chief surrogate Sen. Lindsey Graham said that McCain was "the best-qualified person to be commander-in-chief" since a previous military-political figure: Dwight Eisenhower.

"He has walked in the shoes of those in uniform. He understands their language. He has grown up in a military family," said the South Carolina Republican, "and quite frankly his military service is extraordinary."

Raising the specter of past military service in the context of a presidential campaign can, however, be a sensitive proposition. For starters there are some purists who still hold to the George Marshall school of thought that armed forces and politics should never blend. More pointedly, McCain himself has downplayed the role that military backgrounds play in election seasons. In February 2003, the Arizona Republican said "Absolutely not," when asked whether "military service inherently makes somebody better equipped to be commander-in-chief."

"Harry Truman was in the artillery in World War I, which was magnificent," he continued. "Ronald Reagan did most of his active duty in the studio lots in California. It might be a nice thing, but I absolutely don't believe that it's necessary."

A year later, McCain cast his ballot for George W. Bush, a national guard member, over fellow Vietnam veteran John Kerry.

But a more telling example may have come more recently, when McCain found himself campaigning against one of the few Iraq War veterans who was running for office. In 2006, the Senator appeared at a late-stage but crucial fundraiser for Illinois Rep. Pete Roskam, who was being challenged by Democrat Tammy Duckworth, a veteran who had lost both her legs in Iraq. The nail-biter campaign for the open seat, which was won by Roskam with 51 percent of the vote, was marked by heated rhetoric over service and war. Roskam, who won the endorsement of the organization Veterans of Foreign Wars, accused Duckworth of wanting to cut-and-run from Iraq. McCain held his fundraiser shortly thereafter.

Now, two years later, military service is once again at the forefront of an election. And while McCain did not raise the issue himself (he can thank Gen. Wesley Clark for that), and his campaign is stressing that his POW status does not mean he is uniquely qualified for office, the Senator has not been shy in highlighting his Vietnam resume -- so much so that on Monday evening, a fellow veteran from that war, Sen. Jim Webb, urged McCain to "calm down" on his synthesis of war service and politics.

Historians say there is no precedent to help determine how much an impact this will have on the general election. In the wake of the Civil War, nearly all presidential and congressional aspirants highlighted their role in the fighting. After WWI, however, virtually none of the presidents -- save Harry Truman, who ascended to the role after FDR's death -- had veteran status to tout. Indeed, Adlai Stevenson actively highlighted his civilian status compared to Eisenhower's military pedigree, while John F. Kennedy made his time in WWII a symbolic rallying point for his campaign. Vietnam changed the dynamics, casting opponents of the war against supporters (even if both had served). And because Obama is the product of a subsequent era, it could very well make McCain's service a moot point.

"I think it is less a debate over service and more a larger debate over generational approaches to policies in general," said Dr. Jay M. Parker, a professor at Georgetown University, senior fellow at Center for Study of the Presidency and an informal Obama adviser. "When you look at how service shapes a generation, that has an effect on the way you view all political issues. And I think that is true of those of any given generation, whether they served in the military, or in the case of those coming out of the 60s, coming out of the civil rights conflicts. What were the dynamics that shaped them? I don't think you can pinpoint this as a race as someone who served in the military versus someone who didn't because the generational dynamics are so different."

For the third straight day, Sen. John McCain's presidential campaign has raised a ruckus over comments suggesting that his military service may not, in and of itself, qualify the Senator to be command...
For the third straight day, Sen. John McCain's presidential campaign has raised a ruckus over comments suggesting that his military service may not, in and of itself, qualify the Senator to be command...
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Military pedigree, Richard Nixon, Jimmy Carter and George W. Bush, so much for that theory.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:57 PM on 07/01/2008

Military service does not mean much in the state of Georgia! Max Cleland lost his Senate seat to Saxby Chamblis who was a Viet Nam draft-dodger. H e had a bad knee but he has no trouble climbing to step of the Capitol. Time heals everything.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:46 PM on 07/01/2008
- ebanks84 I'm a Fan of ebanks84 94 fans permalink

But a bunch of lies!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:57 PM on 07/01/2008

Saxby...To get across my true feeling for him I'd have to use all of Carlin's "7 words" -- in the same sentence, to boot!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:05 AM on 07/02/2008
- DIdaho I'm a Fan of DIdaho 25 fans permalink

I was raised in a military family (Air Force) and served in the Army, including combat in Desert Storm. There is no question in my mind that those who've done so are better able to understand those in the military.

But I also believe that this should not be the primary focus of the President of the United States. We're not Sparta. We're not, or should not be, primarily a military power, and we don't, or should not, suborn our domestic policy to the whims of the military. I give McCain props for probably having a closer and better understanding of what the military wants. But I give him demerits for giving that too much credit. In particular, his Middle East policy suffers from the "we win or they win" military ideology.

That's the military mind-frame, and there's nothing wrong with that if that's your universe. Would McCain be a better choice for commander of Centcom than would Obama? Probably. Would McCain be a better choice to understand how Centcom's mission serves the interest of the American people? Certainly not.

Wesley Clark is absolutely right. There's a difference between between being a tactical commander and a strategic leader. And McCain has shown no ability to bridge the gap.

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:41 PM on 07/01/2008
- ebanks84 I'm a Fan of ebanks84 94 fans permalink

The only thing m-ccain would be better at is to keep bush in office under his name. He'll be a c-heney puppeteer dangling on the things c-heney controls. Just another third c-heney term dangling the dummies around.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:04 PM on 07/01/2008
- Danny I'm a Fan of Danny 5 fans permalink

I remember thinking how such a candidate, Tammy Duckworth, "in time of war' could lose ... Nefarious forces were at work.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:27 PM on 07/01/2008
- 1LTUSMC I'm a Fan of 1LTUSMC 2 fans permalink

Military service does not, in and of itself, qualify or disqualify someone to be President of the United States. What it does is present the voters with another element with which to decide which candidate has the best skill set to lead and govern honorably and effectively.

For example, Bud Day is a winner of the Congressional Medal of Honor, a full blown true blooded American hero. He is also unqualified to be our President

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:21 PM on 07/01/2008
- chriss0114 I'm a Fan of chriss0114 24 fans permalink
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Actually, since BD can look you in the eye and lie, he might be better than some politicians.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:28 PM on 07/01/2008
- kcam44 I'm a Fan of kcam44 13 fans permalink
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don't care what Bud Day did in the military, he has ZERO credibility because he supports McCain's military service but diminshed John Kerry's. Fellow soldiers don't do this. Politics brings out the worst in people..including the Presidential candidates.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:58 PM on 07/01/2008
- biglover I'm a Fan of biglover 42 fans permalink

Want a good laugh everyone, check this out

GOP Senator's Top Staffer Busted Posting Comments Under Fake Name On Liberal Blog

http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/07/gop_senators_top_staffer_buste.php

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:15 PM on 07/01/2008
- DaOne I'm a Fan of DaOne 44 fans permalink
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That's gold Jerry!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:42 PM on 07/01/2008
- ebanks84 I'm a Fan of ebanks84 94 fans permalink

We probably have a heap of them right here on Huffington also. Everybody thinks they are trolls when they are probably hidden republicans playing out their democratic fantasies:)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:08 PM on 07/01/2008
- jukesgrrl I'm a Fan of jukesgrrl 74 fans permalink
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I wonder if "Top Staffer" is the genius responsible for the re-elect Sen. Cornyn video they're having such fun with on the Wonkette website. Go over there and search on Cornyn's name if you really want a laugh. It's Larry Craig, cowboy-style.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:19 AM on 07/02/2008
- doofmann02 I'm a Fan of doofmann02 2 fans permalink

It's going around that a Peter Hegseth on MSNBC just equated anyone who is challenging McCain's leadership qualities as "far left," including the past and current military families. Sad thing is this person is supposedly a member of Vets for Freedom.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:05 PM on 07/01/2008
- ebanks84 I'm a Fan of ebanks84 94 fans permalink

Spies among us, around us, underneath us, everywhere. Anybody got any programs to pluck the viral spies out of the air?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:11 PM on 07/01/2008
- GrainOSand I'm a Fan of GrainOSand 269 fans permalink
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By McCain's logic, the best person for the head of the Department of Justice is a veteran prison guard. Unless that prison guard has practical experience in matters of the law beyond execution of an edict from above that defines the service of the guard, and informs the guard of their limited role in the execution of justice, the successful execution of prison guard duties is not indication of an ability to lead the Justice Department. It makes one wonder if Alberto Gonzales was a prison guard at one time. How about Mukasey surely he worked the Attica riots?

John McCain as soldier, highflying son and grandson of admirals, and POW of Hanoi Hilton, is not necessarily a one to one equivalence with presidential leadership. John McCain is a retired soldier and that does not necessarily mean presidential material.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:49 PM on 07/01/2008
- karela I'm a Fan of karela 84 fans permalink

Oh wow! He's just as good as Eisenhower! McCain was a lowly pilot and Eisenhower was a five star general and Supreme Commander of the Allied Forces in Europe during WWII, but hey, that's about the same. McCain crashed a plane because he hot dogged it so low over land in the Mediterranean that he hit utility wires and he crashed another U.S. Jet after he used it to attend a football game. But hey, it's kind of the same. Eisenhower planned and supervised the successful invasion of France and Germany during WWII and later became the first Supreme Commander of NATO. I'd say the presidential experience in those two jobs is about the same. Wouldn't you? McCain has been trying to make America feel so guilty that we just give him the country to bash. He's trying to one up his Dad and Granddad who were Admirals because he never, ever had any hope of being promoted to lofty heights. He was fifth from the bottom in his class of 800 at the Naval Academy and he was always a hot head. Here's a link to a guy who was a plebe under him at the Naval Academy and was in the same POW camp for the whole time McCain was there plus three more years before he came. What he has to say is educated, reasoned, professional and interesting. Here's the link:
http://www.military.com/opinion/0,15202,164859_1,00.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:19 PM on 07/01/2008
- RRonin I'm a Fan of RRonin 19 fans permalink
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One more thing: McCain loved to fly, but wasn't very good at it. Eisenhower loved golf but he wasn't very good at it, either. This proves they're EXACTLY THE SAME.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:44 PM on 07/01/2008
- DIdaho I'm a Fan of DIdaho 25 fans permalink

We've got to get past this cut and run bull. That's not what it is. Wars are fought for reasons. We had specific war aims, at least specifically stated war aims: ensure Iraq did not have WMD, remove Saddam from power, start a framework for democracy in Iraq. We've achieved all three.

What was not stated, because almost nobody would buy it, was a permanent occupation of Iraq. That is the only mission from which we would "cut and run" if we started withdrawal. If somebody seriously wants to make the case for a multi-generation occupation, then make it. As McClellan has stated, that was the actual objective. In that vein, McCain's "100 year war" where when we withdraw "isn't really important" makes sense. It's a valid point to make. But it's one that would be supported by maybe 10% of Americans.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:12 PM on 07/01/2008
- Raymondf I'm a Fan of Raymondf 4 fans permalink

If I had Lost both my legs, I would have wanted to cut and run. We all know we can't. I do pray for each and everyone of the military everyday, Including miss Duckworth. Wish she had not lost because of what she said. I would have probably said the same thing if I had been in her situation. Gob Bless you Miss Duckworth.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:00 PM on 07/01/2008
- GrainOSand I'm a Fan of GrainOSand 269 fans permalink
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She's one of the good ones Raymond.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:39 PM on 07/01/2008

Yeah, if I were her I might have responded, "Well, my opponent may not have realized this, but I CAN'T F-ING RUN!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:53 AM on 07/02/2008
- helonias I'm a Fan of helonias 229 fans permalink
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Who would ever vote for a potential candidate for president who sings bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran.

I mean really.

I bet Brian Wilson wasn't happy either.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:57 PM on 07/01/2008
- openhand I'm a Fan of openhand 30 fans permalink
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Whats is McCains reasoning with his stand against Dubya in 2000, why was this not an issue. You can't do a Rudy and explain the world according to 911. Good article.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:29 PM on 07/01/2008

losing limbs in a war does not make you a politician

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:19 PM on 07/01/2008

Bombing civilians does not either.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:11 PM on 07/01/2008
- Raymondf I'm a Fan of Raymondf 4 fans permalink

yes" After their own people used them as shields, or insurgents forced them to be shields. Get a life.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:56 PM on 07/01/2008
- DaOne I'm a Fan of DaOne 44 fans permalink
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Release all of your military records Sen. McCain.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:13 PM on 07/01/2008
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