For McCain A Candidate's Military Pedigree Hasn't Always Mattered

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First Posted: 07- 1-08 02:02 PM   |   Updated: 07- 9-08 05:12 AM

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For the third straight day, Sen. John McCain's presidential campaign has raised a ruckus over comments suggesting that his military service may not, in and of itself, qualify the Senator to be commander-in-chief.

On Tuesday, the campaign hosted a conference call with reporters during which chief surrogate Sen. Lindsey Graham said that McCain was "the best-qualified person to be commander-in-chief" since a previous military-political figure: Dwight Eisenhower.

"He has walked in the shoes of those in uniform. He understands their language. He has grown up in a military family," said the South Carolina Republican, "and quite frankly his military service is extraordinary."

Raising the specter of past military service in the context of a presidential campaign can, however, be a sensitive proposition. For starters there are some purists who still hold to the George Marshall school of thought that armed forces and politics should never blend. More pointedly, McCain himself has downplayed the role that military backgrounds play in election seasons. In February 2003, the Arizona Republican said "Absolutely not," when asked whether "military service inherently makes somebody better equipped to be commander-in-chief."

"Harry Truman was in the artillery in World War I, which was magnificent," he continued. "Ronald Reagan did most of his active duty in the studio lots in California. It might be a nice thing, but I absolutely don't believe that it's necessary."

A year later, McCain cast his ballot for George W. Bush, a national guard member, over fellow Vietnam veteran John Kerry.

But a more telling example may have come more recently, when McCain found himself campaigning against one of the few Iraq War veterans who was running for office. In 2006, the Senator appeared at a late-stage but crucial fundraiser for Illinois Rep. Pete Roskam, who was being challenged by Democrat Tammy Duckworth, a veteran who had lost both her legs in Iraq. The nail-biter campaign for the open seat, which was won by Roskam with 51 percent of the vote, was marked by heated rhetoric over service and war. Roskam, who won the endorsement of the organization Veterans of Foreign Wars, accused Duckworth of wanting to cut-and-run from Iraq. McCain held his fundraiser shortly thereafter.

Now, two years later, military service is once again at the forefront of an election. And while McCain did not raise the issue himself (he can thank Gen. Wesley Clark for that), and his campaign is stressing that his POW status does not mean he is uniquely qualified for office, the Senator has not been shy in highlighting his Vietnam resume -- so much so that on Monday evening, a fellow veteran from that war, Sen. Jim Webb, urged McCain to "calm down" on his synthesis of war service and politics.

Historians say there is no precedent to help determine how much an impact this will have on the general election. In the wake of the Civil War, nearly all presidential and congressional aspirants highlighted their role in the fighting. After WWI, however, virtually none of the presidents -- save Harry Truman, who ascended to the role after FDR's death -- had veteran status to tout. Indeed, Adlai Stevenson actively highlighted his civilian status compared to Eisenhower's military pedigree, while John F. Kennedy made his time in WWII a symbolic rallying point for his campaign. Vietnam changed the dynamics, casting opponents of the war against supporters (even if both had served). And because Obama is the product of a subsequent era, it could very well make McCain's service a moot point.

"I think it is less a debate over service and more a larger debate over generational approaches to policies in general," said Dr. Jay M. Parker, a professor at Georgetown University, senior fellow at Center for Study of the Presidency and an informal Obama adviser. "When you look at how service shapes a generation, that has an effect on the way you view all political issues. And I think that is true of those of any given generation, whether they served in the military, or in the case of those coming out of the 60s, coming out of the civil rights conflicts. What were the dynamics that shaped them? I don't think you can pinpoint this as a race as someone who served in the military versus someone who didn't because the generational dynamics are so different."

For the third straight day, Sen. John McCain's presidential campaign has raised a ruckus over comments suggesting that his military service may not, in and of itself, qualify the Senator to be command...
For the third straight day, Sen. John McCain's presidential campaign has raised a ruckus over comments suggesting that his military service may not, in and of itself, qualify the Senator to be command...
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- robynuva I'm a Fan of robynuva 5 fans permalink

My father servied in the US Navy for 25 years. He started as a 17 year old Seaman in 1944, and rose to the rank of Commander. He had a ship shot out from under him on D-Day, served on active duty in Korea AND Viet Nam. He had men under his command in a war zone during Viet Nam. ALL of this is better command experience than Mc "C. And he would have been the first one to tell you he was not qualified to be CinC. He would have said, it is a matter of judgement, and he was too "military" to be a civilian commander.

As an aside, he also told me the best thing I ever heard about war. He said you cannot defeat a country with an army if the other country doesn't have one.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:17 PM on 07/01/2008
- biglover I'm a Fan of biglover 42 fans permalink

And he flew A4D Skyhawks - they called them scooters. They were not fighter planes - they were mud movers. If he had been a good student or a good pilot he would not have been flying scooters - no one tries to bid to fly those planes. Plus he crashed about 5 of them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:16 PM on 07/01/2008
- helonias I'm a Fan of helonias 231 fans permalink
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If his daddy wasn't an admiral he wouldn't have made it into the NA

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:55 PM on 07/01/2008
- JulieSA I'm a Fan of JulieSA 165 fans permalink
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Proof?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:29 PM on 07/01/2008

How come nobody talks about all the planes he crashed? His father kept bailing him out of trouble...­..........­..........­..........­..........­..........­....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:29 PM on 07/01/2008
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HOW RIGHT YOU ARE! HE IS CALLED RECKLESS!
He crashed I believe 2 planes while trying to land on a carrier.
Of course he ejected, but we paid for the planes.
He has a violent temper, told by many people including his friends.
They have a bio on A&E but it has not been advertised since his running to be the PRES.
He is a reckless person. He must not win this election!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:32 PM on 07/01/2008
- openhand I'm a Fan of openhand 31 fans permalink
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crashed 3, but still its gotta hurt....yo­ur ego.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:33 PM on 07/01/2008
- JulieSA I'm a Fan of JulieSA 165 fans permalink
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Wow. What an insult to all the A-4 pilots.

Did you know those guys made low level bomb runs on Hanoi, the city with the best air defenses in history?

Did you know that because of what they were tasked with, they had the highest casualty rates of any naval aviation units?

One third of the aviators in McCains's A-4 squadron were killed or captured the year he was shot down.

And you sit there and make fun of them. And you lie about him crashing five of them. What is wrong with you?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:38 PM on 07/01/2008

She doesn't have her mind "right". She was clearly just a "phony soldier". But they do "thank her for her service".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:13 PM on 07/01/2008

Well are you going to vote for McCain because he was in the military?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:12 PM on 07/01/2008
- shelobo I'm a Fan of shelobo 7 fans permalink

I agree with Webbs advice .With young Americans be killed in Iraq on a daily basis ,this is NOT the time for McCain to pander his military history .If McCain happens to to win ,the death toll will rise in the middle eastern countries,as Iraq isn't the only country where our military are being killed in. In Afganistan there has been around 500 killed .And according to Col. Rhonda Cornum,Between 8 and 10 percent of nearly 12,000 soldiers from the war on terror, mostly from Iraq, treated at the Landstuhl Regional Medical Center in Germany had "psychiatric or behavioral health issues," http://www.antiwar.com/casualties//

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:10 PM on 07/01/2008
- GrainOSand I'm a Fan of GrainOSand 269 fans permalink
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Tammy Duckworth -- a true American patriot, a courageous human being, and a fine example of what the human sprit can overcome. We should all be humbled by the supreme example of dignity and decency this woman represents.

John McCain -- a grey ghost of a time gone by that needs to stay dead and buried. He is an old politician still fighting the old wars with the old tactics of divide and conquer, pander and slander, and political lies and manufactured falsehoods revealing Chicken Little tendencies and calculations of a man crying wolf on the one hand concerning potential terror threats, and foul on the other when a respected man of service (Clark) questions his premise that by his service he is best to lead. McCain is a joke that is not funny.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:09 PM on 07/01/2008
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Because it wasn't his service. Geez!

He asked Sen. Kerry not discuss his service prominently during his presidential bid in 2004.

The "great" man doesn't follow his own sage advice.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:07 PM on 07/01/2008
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The "great" man let Kerry be swift-boated even after he contemplated leaving the republican party and lied about his conversations with Kerry about a possible split ticket! There is no need to have a competition regarding who suffered more...McC­ain or Tammy! NONE! Finally, the president is NOT the commander and chief of everyone! Just the military! Generals are not the ones who should have the final say-so about our war policy! With all due respect to Patreaus and crew, we didn't elect you to anything! McCain doesn't care about anyone's service except his own. And isn't it ironic that "lack of experience" hasn't mattered when it came to the man who trashed him, his wife, his adopted daughter and his service for the past 8 years! McCain stands for nothing that the republican's claim to stand for. From his personal life to integrity. That includes how he devalues the service of others to prop himself up! It is positively sickening to see the media protect him at all costs, and practically cry on the air in order to do so. Where were you MSM when he allowed his fellow vets to be trashed? Oh, I know...suf­fering from Maverick-itus!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:31 PM on 07/01/2008
- pakaal I'm a Fan of pakaal 32 fans permalink
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Well, at least Senator McCain is getting some press on his one platform: his personal history. Hope it serves him well, come November he IS history.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:07 PM on 07/01/2008
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"He has walked in the shoes of those in uniform.

McCain obviously doesn't recall any of that period in his life or he would have REALLY supported Webb's new GI Bill.
McCain is a disgusting person and has nothing to offer as President of the United States.
Yesterday, President Bush signed legislation that included Sen. Jim Webb’s (D-VA) 21st Century GI Bill. In his signing speech, Bush praised himself and Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) for “working hard” to pass the legislation:
The bill is a result of close collaboration between my administration and members of both parties on Capitol Hill. … I want to thank members who worked hard for the GI Bill expansion, especially Senators Webb and Warner, Graham, Burr, McCain.
In reality, Bush and McCain “worked hard” to block the GI Bill.
Just another disgusting lie from the Right

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:06 PM on 07/01/2008
- biglover I'm a Fan of biglover 42 fans permalink

we are up against forces bigger than us. The media doesn't talk about this and if anyone else does, they crucify you. I give Clark credit for standing fast but we have a long haul ahead of us. McCain's campaign is desperate and they know they are losing and so does the MSM so they are doing all they can to help him along.

These people are despicable. What they did to Max Cleland, Tami and Kerry is beyond despicable Republicans can't win elections so they own the media and own the voting machines so they can steal them

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:05 PM on 07/01/2008
- tedbear I'm a Fan of tedbear 6 fans permalink

This is stupid. No one in their right mind would consider being shot down and imprisoned forty years ago as a qualification for President of the U. S. McCain wasn't in any leadership capacity in the Vietnam war - he was in prison. Anybody could have been captured, and what do you want to bet that the McCain supporters wouldn't think a Democrat prisoner of war would be qualified based on that. McCain surely didn't think having both legs blown off in Iraq a qualification for a Democrat running in 2006. This is ignorant to expect people to think he is qualified without any qualification as a high ranking decision maker. I mean, comparing McCain to Ike is ridiculous. I'm surprised they can say it with a straight face.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:59 PM on 07/01/2008
- Plus15 I'm a Fan of Plus15 14 fans permalink

For his entire political career John McCain has been introduced and discussed with the disclaimer that invariably states "I salute his service in our military and the price he paid on our behalf as a POW for five years". It has been recited publicly more then our Pledge of Allegiance.

Having paid the physical and mental price of being a POW does not now mean he should be rewarded with the gift of the Presidency any more then the country should get Bill Clinton off the hook with ‘Hillary as President’ because he didn't have the money for the diamond ring "sorry I cheated" payoff.

Being in a foreign POW camp under horrible conditions for a ghastly five years prepares you in no way to be the President of the USA or the leader of the free world. Maybe his serial flip flopping is the result of effects of that brutal detention.

McCain had a huge chunk of his American life stolen and upon his return he quickly went into the rarified life of a politician and kept husband of a multi-mill­ionairess.

People conflate his time as a POW with others struggle against poverty and status.

Honored over and over again, elected to Congress and Senate, he bagged a trophy wife with a multimillion dollar estates. Come on, he's been honored and rewarded more then enough.

God Bless him and God Bless America.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:56 PM on 07/01/2008
- MizLiz I'm a Fan of MizLiz 59 fans permalink
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The hypocrisy of this man is simply astounding.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:54 PM on 07/01/2008
- JennyJay I'm a Fan of JennyJay 9 fans permalink

There is more to govenment than just a war . . . McCain can't manage to pay the property taxes
on one his houses. How could he possilby manage such a big job of managing the government?
I think his pea brain might explode.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:51 PM on 07/01/2008

"There is more to govenment than just a war . . ."

THANK YOU!!! I don't regard commander-in-chief as the President's most important role. I was turned off by Hillary's repeated insistence that she was "ready to be commander-in-chief from day one." I look for more than that in a president.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:36 PM on 07/01/2008

It ill behooves *you* to call anybody else a pea brain, when you have failed to grasp -- despite umpteen postings -- that the house in question does not belong to McCain.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:05 PM on 07/01/2008

You know, I could personally give a rats patootie about military service. Has McCain ever held a REAL job - you know, one that his father didn't secure for him? One outside of government service? He knows one way, the military way - there are great things to be learned in the business world.

He needs a good old fashioned reality check - I don't think someone with 9 houses and an airplane can honestly relate to my life in any way, shape or form.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:45 PM on 07/01/2008
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