For McCain A Candidate's Military Pedigree Hasn't Always Mattered

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First Posted: 07- 1-08 02:02 PM   |   Updated: 07- 9-08 05:12 AM

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For the third straight day, Sen. John McCain's presidential campaign has raised a ruckus over comments suggesting that his military service may not, in and of itself, qualify the Senator to be commander-in-chief.

On Tuesday, the campaign hosted a conference call with reporters during which chief surrogate Sen. Lindsey Graham said that McCain was "the best-qualified person to be commander-in-chief" since a previous military-political figure: Dwight Eisenhower.

"He has walked in the shoes of those in uniform. He understands their language. He has grown up in a military family," said the South Carolina Republican, "and quite frankly his military service is extraordinary."

Raising the specter of past military service in the context of a presidential campaign can, however, be a sensitive proposition. For starters there are some purists who still hold to the George Marshall school of thought that armed forces and politics should never blend. More pointedly, McCain himself has downplayed the role that military backgrounds play in election seasons. In February 2003, the Arizona Republican said "Absolutely not," when asked whether "military service inherently makes somebody better equipped to be commander-in-chief."

"Harry Truman was in the artillery in World War I, which was magnificent," he continued. "Ronald Reagan did most of his active duty in the studio lots in California. It might be a nice thing, but I absolutely don't believe that it's necessary."

A year later, McCain cast his ballot for George W. Bush, a national guard member, over fellow Vietnam veteran John Kerry.

But a more telling example may have come more recently, when McCain found himself campaigning against one of the few Iraq War veterans who was running for office. In 2006, the Senator appeared at a late-stage but crucial fundraiser for Illinois Rep. Pete Roskam, who was being challenged by Democrat Tammy Duckworth, a veteran who had lost both her legs in Iraq. The nail-biter campaign for the open seat, which was won by Roskam with 51 percent of the vote, was marked by heated rhetoric over service and war. Roskam, who won the endorsement of the organization Veterans of Foreign Wars, accused Duckworth of wanting to cut-and-run from Iraq. McCain held his fundraiser shortly thereafter.

Now, two years later, military service is once again at the forefront of an election. And while McCain did not raise the issue himself (he can thank Gen. Wesley Clark for that), and his campaign is stressing that his POW status does not mean he is uniquely qualified for office, the Senator has not been shy in highlighting his Vietnam resume -- so much so that on Monday evening, a fellow veteran from that war, Sen. Jim Webb, urged McCain to "calm down" on his synthesis of war service and politics.

Historians say there is no precedent to help determine how much an impact this will have on the general election. In the wake of the Civil War, nearly all presidential and congressional aspirants highlighted their role in the fighting. After WWI, however, virtually none of the presidents -- save Harry Truman, who ascended to the role after FDR's death -- had veteran status to tout. Indeed, Adlai Stevenson actively highlighted his civilian status compared to Eisenhower's military pedigree, while John F. Kennedy made his time in WWII a symbolic rallying point for his campaign. Vietnam changed the dynamics, casting opponents of the war against supporters (even if both had served). And because Obama is the product of a subsequent era, it could very well make McCain's service a moot point.

"I think it is less a debate over service and more a larger debate over generational approaches to policies in general," said Dr. Jay M. Parker, a professor at Georgetown University, senior fellow at Center for Study of the Presidency and an informal Obama adviser. "When you look at how service shapes a generation, that has an effect on the way you view all political issues. And I think that is true of those of any given generation, whether they served in the military, or in the case of those coming out of the 60s, coming out of the civil rights conflicts. What were the dynamics that shaped them? I don't think you can pinpoint this as a race as someone who served in the military versus someone who didn't because the generational dynamics are so different."

For the third straight day, Sen. John McCain's presidential campaign has raised a ruckus over comments suggesting that his military service may not, in and of itself, qualify the Senator to be command...
For the third straight day, Sen. John McCain's presidential campaign has raised a ruckus over comments suggesting that his military service may not, in and of itself, qualify the Senator to be command...
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- saywha I'm a Fan of saywha 5 fans permalink

I,m McCain's age. Trust me. He's too old. Over and out.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:45 PM on 07/01/2008
- dawlishgal I'm a Fan of dawlishgal 221 fans permalink
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My feeling about the special merits of veterans to serve in any capacity has been diminished forever by the abominable behavior of the loathsome swifites. The Bush administration has used the military as its own propaganda branch to advocate for Bush and his self-and corporation-serving policies.The guy who used parental money and power to gain himself a cushy and SAFE guard slot is refusing to give combat-injured service people decent medical care--even a clean safe hospital, and his VA sends them bills for MEALS in the hospital, for gawdssakes..

What are thinking people supposed to make of the new military...the one that rides in Bush's pockets and forces the recruits at the bottom of the power heap to take full blame to policy decisions from WAY above (like the very top)? That is what those torture scandals proved to me...that the lowest of the recruits have to pay the price of presidential malfeasance..

Of course we need a military to defend the country and to inspire the young, but NOT A REPUBLICAN MILITARY...one that promotes mindless aggression, has generals making (or pretending to make) decisions better made by a president. BUT, if McCain cared about the military, he wouldn't have embraced Bush both literally and figuratively after Bush sent his surrogates to slime McCain's own military career.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:44 PM on 07/01/2008
- TonalCrow I'm a Fan of TonalCrow 3 fans permalink

The GOP and media are smearing Clark for telling the obvious truth that military service (even service under torture) does not, of itself, qualify a person for the Presidency.

And Obama has made a tactical mistake by disavowing Clark's comments. Obama is listening too closely to some of those typical Democratic consultants whose sole advice is to triangulate away the truth.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:42 PM on 07/01/2008

IKE was a general, mac was nothing but a fly boy, so they are not even in the same league.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:42 PM on 07/01/2008
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And at that, everytime Big Mac got in a plane, he'd crash it. He probably has more crashes umder his belt than any other aviator in the Viet Nam era.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:01 PM on 07/01/2008
- levi501 I'm a Fan of levi501 26 fans permalink
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Really? Is that your response to someone who flew combat missions over Vietnam?

Both of you should be ashamed of your poor choice of words about our pilots who served in combat.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:23 PM on 07/01/2008
- Liberal2 I'm a Fan of Liberal2 42 fans permalink

The part I loved: "...Tammy Duckworth, a veteran who had lost both her legs in Iraq..." & "...Roskam, who won the endorsement of the organization Veterans of Foreign Wars, accused Duckworth of wanting to cut-and-run from Iraq...."

The VFW long ceased being interested in veterans and is no more than a reichwing mouthpiece. According to his official House webpage, Roskam never served. The VFW, loyal to rethugs, not veterans, not America.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:11 PM on 07/01/2008

I find the whole thing totally funny considering that most of the congress and senate elected do not have any military service. The philly Linsey Graham was a JAG officer. I don't consider that war zone duty.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:35 PM on 07/01/2008
- jfor I'm a Fan of jfor 17 fans permalink

McCain makes Bush look like a hardworking, intelligent, studious, curious, involved leader who cares about the United States more than he cares about what his Daddy thinks about him. That is why he is not qualified to be President.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:40 PM on 07/01/2008
- openhand I'm a Fan of openhand 36 fans permalink
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Thats going too far, McCain is a prince compared to Bush. If this was between the 2 of them, I am sorry I would have to support him. I don't think McCain would fit on Cheneys lap so easy. His problem is that he has embraced them to get elected. His record is in the Senate, sure its flip flop but its not crash and burn like the military.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:37 PM on 07/01/2008
- bdl0715 I'm a Fan of bdl0715 8 fans permalink

Someone should ask McCain if Max Clellan and Tammy Duckworth are qualified to be Senators, since they both lost limbs in war.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:39 PM on 07/01/2008
- WmC I'm a Fan of WmC 16 fans permalink

That's the same question running through my mind, so I went to Wikipedia to see where McCain was when Cleland was was defeated. Here are the pertinent sentences:

"In 2002, Cleland was defeated in his bid for a second Senate term by Representative Saxby Chambliss. Voters were allegedly influenced by Chambliss ads that featured Cleland's likeness on the same screen as Osama bin Laden and Saddam Hussein, ads that Cleland's supporters claim questioned his commitment to homeland security. The ads were removed after strong bi-partisan protest from prominent politicians including Republicans like John McCain and Chuck Hagel."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:13 PM on 07/01/2008

Strike One: Hugging, endorsing and voting for a draft-dodger who hid out in the Texas Guard.

Strike Two: Endorsing the rival of a genuine heroine whose sacrifice is so blatantly obvious, just to further the cause of his party.

Pandering to the Religious "Wrong"! Three strikes and yer OUT, John-Boy...Take a hike!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:38 PM on 07/01/2008
- Cedman I'm a Fan of Cedman 27 fans permalink

The President of the United States is a civilian. At a time when we are involved in two wars I want a civilian with good judgement at the helm. McCain is a hothead that sees potential conflict everywhere. He wants to kick Russia out of the G8, sings about bombing Iran and want to stay in Iraq indefinetly.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:33 PM on 07/01/2008
- TheLar I'm a Fan of TheLar 19 fans permalink
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Nice try McCain people, however, experience does not guarantee wisdom.

http://www.larrynocella.com/2008/06/experience-does-not-guarantee-wisdom.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:27 PM on 07/01/2008
- dantanna I'm a Fan of dantanna 2 fans permalink

i dont like gen'l clark basically because he was a surrogate for the least qualified person to run for the democratic presidential nominee but he has a point; and i am extemelly disappointed once again at the attitude of senator obama who ever since became the pressumptive nominee has move so far away from his supporters; senator obama should have stood by gen'l clark in this issue and agree that while honorable, having served in the armed forces does not "automatically" qualify anyone to be commander in chief; that there are other characteristics that people should look in a president. if having served in the armed forces automatically qualifies you to be commander in chief i wonder how come republicans voted for bush over john kerry who based on this theory should have been automatically given the commander in chief post. mr obama is being ridiculous and a big dissapointment; compromissing does not over write principles and convictions. and i no longer know what his principles and convictions are.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:27 PM on 07/01/2008
- undecidee I'm a Fan of undecidee 4 fans permalink

Question is not whether a person had any military background but rather, who so we want to lead this country.

Do we want a brillant person with good judgement call and respected by the world's community but, whom, some of us feel does not represent true American because he is just too smart to be an American so something must be wrong with him.

or

Do we want a D student with bad judgement and who is considered a malverick because after giving in to the Vietnamese for 5 years he decided to not give in to a lot of issues that would make lives for G.I. s easier after they have served this country, but whom some of us feel represents true American, i.e. average joe.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:25 PM on 07/01/2008
- StillAmused I'm a Fan of StillAmused 273 fans permalink

Was Lindsey wearing his 'special' JAG uniform -- the one with the frilly cuffs -- when he defiantly asserted that McCain "has walked in the shoes of those in uniform"?

Surely, Lindsey -- as a grizzled veteran of courtroom combat -- knows whereof he speaks. It's reported that, in some of the more intense legal disagreements, voices have actually been raised.

McSurge is surrounding himself with a flotilla of losers, and they're all going down with the mother ship.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:17 PM on 07/01/2008
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Service to McCain means service in the imaginary GOP branch of the military. Democrats with or without legs need not apply.

SOT

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:13 PM on 07/01/2008
- danoj I'm a Fan of danoj 17 fans permalink

So.........what's he supposed to do not campaign against someone simply because of military service. Don't get all the hubub around this one.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:37 PM on 07/01/2008

So then, if you don't want to see it then I guess you can just avoid the irony in it huh? Life must be hell for you walking through life with blinders on.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:46 PM on 07/01/2008
- pakaal I'm a Fan of pakaal 37 fans permalink
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No, he's supposed to be consistent in his positions, something that John McCain has proven himself utterly incapable of doing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:58 PM on 07/01/2008
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No, McCain isn't suppose to not campaign...but he needs to stop totting his horn about that he is a "brave" hero. He needs to stop saying he is the only one qualified to be president because he served in the Air Force as a pilot.
The question is how does any of his experiences in the service qualify him and he alone has the only he has the "experience" that counts?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:17 PM on 07/01/2008
- Oilygarch I'm a Fan of Oilygarch 5 fans permalink
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Unless they are called Joe Lieberman with one leg in each Party, even if he might not have served.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:51 PM on 07/01/2008

Tammy may get the last laugh. Word on the street is that when Obama wins the election, she is shortlisted to be chosen by Blagojevich to finish out his Senate term. Senator McCain, say hello to Senator Duckworth, D-IL.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:13 PM on 07/01/2008
- mojopo I'm a Fan of mojopo 12 fans permalink
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That would probably be the second coolest thing to happen after the presidential elections.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:25 PM on 07/01/2008

Another cool thing would be making the post-election Dubya the Ambassador to Iraq! *LOL*

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:59 PM on 07/01/2008
- WRPrintz I'm a Fan of WRPrintz 14 fans permalink
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I supported Tammy, and still do. She would be an excellent Senator.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:26 PM on 07/01/2008
- Liberal2 I'm a Fan of Liberal2 42 fans permalink

I fail to understand how when flag lapel pins mean so much that a soldier who lost both legs loses the election to a guy too cowardly to serve. What kind of .. . .. . . . .p...e..ople (I hated to used that word) demand flag pins but vote against the real deal...ie, someone who actually sacrificed for this country?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:21 PM on 07/01/2008
- SaintZak I'm a Fan of SaintZak 22 fans permalink

I'm looking very forward to that

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:32 PM on 07/01/2008

As someone who worked on Tammy's congressional campaign, I would love to see her in Washington. She has done a great job with the IL dept of veterans affairs, on a pretty much shoestring budget.
H/w, i am afraid that seat might be going to Rahm (if and when).

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:10 PM on 07/01/2008
- sclucie I'm a Fan of sclucie 9 fans permalink

mccain would have been maybe a good leader during the cold war or 50 years ago. but there is nothing in his record to suggest that he would be a good world leader now. i am not throwing my vote to a man who cannot tell the diffference between the two basic factions in iraq, thinks this is a war that anyone can win, and thinks it's amusing to sing a dead kennedys song in response to a foreign policy question. if i wanted someone with a teenage mentality running the armed forces, i'd vote for one of my daughter's friends. unlike mccain, they remember what they said yesterday.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:12 PM on 07/01/2008

What D.K. song did he sing, and in response to what question? I know of his Beach Boys-esque singing of 'Bomb Bomb Bomb, bomb bomb Iran", but not aware of the one you mentioned.

I grew up listening to punk bands like DK, the Sex Pistols, etc. and can't imagine McBush knowing anything about them, so i'm genuinely curious.

I've heard of others bringing "California Uber Alles" into the mix, this political season, but not old man McBush, especially since DK were very anti-establishment, anti-Reagan, and very political, on such albums as "Bedtime for Democracy".

Lemme know, i luv it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:49 PM on 07/01/2008
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