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NANCY BENAC | 07/ 1/08 06:01 PM | AP

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Jim Morin, a West Point graduate who served as an Army captain in Iraq and Afghanistan, poses with a 2003 photograph of himself meeting with Afghan village elders in Khost, Afghanistan, during an interview with the Associated Press at his home in Arlington, Va., Thursday, June 26, 2008. Morin said he thinks Obama has the most "comprehensive solutions to complex problems" in Iraq and Afghanistan. "I have a lot of respect for McCain," he said. "Everyone in the military is going to tell you that." But he adds: "I don't think he has anything new to offer. His mind-set is really stuck maybe in the Vietnam era, and the conflicts we're facing now have nothing to do with Vietnam." (AP Photo/Charles Dharapak)

WASHINGTON — Brandon Ziegler served two tours in Iraq and wears a bracelet inscribed with the name of an Army buddy who never made it home. Jim Morin saw action in both Iraq and Afghanistan and has lost several friends to the war in Iraq, the latest just a month ago.

Both say their choice in the 2008 presidential election is clear: For Ziegler, it will be John McCain; for Morin, it will be Barack Obama.

Those viewing the presidential race through the lens of military service can see it entirely differently: The desire to quickly get out of Iraq is balanced against the hope to see the country stabilized; respect for one candidate's storied military history is weighed against another's relative youth; concern about the war's drain on the U.S. Treasury is measured against the wish for expanded benefits for new veterans.

Sizing up the candidates as the nation prepares to celebrate Independence Day, retired Command Sgt. Maj. Ronald Friday in South Carolina laughs and predicts "it's going to be an interesting summer." Put him in the undecided column.

McCain, with a family tradition of military service and his own history as a Vietnam prisoner of war, holds natural appeal for members of the military and for veterans. An AP-Yahoo News poll conducted last month, found that veterans favored McCain over Obama 49 percent to 32 percent, while the two candidates ran about even in the population as a whole. Three-fourths of veterans in the survey thought McCain would be a good leader of the military, compared with one-fourth who thought likewise of Obama.

Nonetheless, dissatisfaction with the course of the war under President Bush and with the treatment of veterans returning home has given Obama, who did not serve in the armed forces, an opening with military voters and veterans. So does his appeal to younger people.

That Obama attracts support from some in the military is evident in dollars and cents: Among people who have donated at least $200 to a presidential campaign this election cycle, Obama has collected more than $327,000 from those identifying themselves as military personnel, while McCain has collected $224,000, according to an analysis of Federal Election Commission data by The Associated Press.

But it is in the voices of recent veterans and, to a lesser extent, of those still serving in the military, that the McCain vs. Obama debate comes alive _ although most active-duty personnel are loath to air their views publicly because they are discouraged from mixing in politics.

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Friday, who retired last year after serving as the top command sergeant major at Fort Jackson in South Carolina, said he doesn't want either candidate to take his vote for granted, based on his race or his career.

"I don't want anyone to think that because he (Obama) is of the African-American heritage that he automatically has my vote, or that McCain will get it because I was in the military," said Friday, who is black.

Friday, 49, added that he understands what McCain meant when he said the United States could have troops in Iraq for 100 years, but he doesn't necessarily support the statement. Still, he predicted, "We will be in Iraq until death do we part."

Such talk rankles Sgt. Kenyon Ralph, 24, of San Diego. Ralph, a Marine reservist who served in Iraq twice, is a member of Iraq Veterans Against The War, and is backing Obama.

Ralph, who once was a registered Republican and twice voted for Bush, says he gradually turned against the war and now can't bring himself to vote for someone who supports keeping troops in Iraq.

"What did he say? One hundred years or something," Ralph said of McCain. "We've got five down and 95 more years to go."

Sgt. Maj. Brent Dick, a 35-year-old career soldier stationed at Fort Bliss in Texas, hasn't decided whom he'll vote for in November, but he agrees with McCain's stance on Iraq.

"I favor staying there until we are done with our mission," said Dick. He said the candidates' plans for Iraq will be one deciding factor in his vote but the weakening economy also is a huge concern.

Dick, who served in Afghanistan, said McCain's military service and his time as a prisoner of war are pushing him toward the senator from Arizona.

"I think that means something for their character," said Dick, interviewed as he and his 8-year-old son got ready to play golf on a recent afternoon at the Fort Bliss golf course.

Not far away, standing outside his off-post home after work, Darrell Warren, a 41-year-old staff sergeant at Fort Bliss, said he's also on the fence, but leaning the other way.

"I'm a Democrat," said Warren, who served three tours in Iraq. He said that while the war will be an issue for him in picking a president, he doesn't see military service as a must.

"They don't necessarily have to have served in the military to know about it," he said.

Ziegler, interviewed in the library at Kutztown University in Pennsylvania after attending a night class, sees three reasons to vote for McCain entwined in the Republican's military service: He connects to McCain as a war veteran, believes it makes sense during wartime to have a president who's served, and says McCain's POW history speaks to the quality of his character.

As for Obama, says Ziegler: "He's new and he's young. He's got what seem like new ideas. I don't think now's the right time for that, being that we are in Iraq."

By contrast, Morin, whose 10 years in the military included four years as a West Point cadet, thinks Obama has the most "comprehensive solutions to complex problems" in Iraq and Afghanistan. He also said he was disappointed by McCain's opposition to an expansion of the GI bill that would offer full military scholarships for those who serve three years in the military.

"I have a lot of respect for McCain," says Morin. "Everyone in the military is going to tell you that." But then he adds: "I don't think he has anything new to offer. His mind-set is really stuck maybe in the Vietnam era, and the conflicts we're facing now have nothing to do with Vietnam."

Richard Topping, a former Army legal officer who spent more than five years on active duty, said McCain's military record is impressive, but he finds the senator's open-ended commitment to Iraq troubling.

"I care far more about the economy, which has me leaning left this election," said Topping, who works as a Justice Department attorney. "Time for new people and new ideas here in D.C."

McCain has plenty of brass speaking out for his candidacy: While active-duty military personnel are expected to keep out of politics, more than 100 former generals and admirals have endorsed the Republican candidate.

Richard Kohn, a professor at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill who has studied the gap between military and civilian attitudes and culture, said that while members of the military, particularly the officer corps, in recent decades have favored Republicans, the enlisted force is much more politically balanced. And Kohn said there are signs that "the shine has probably worn off the Republican brand to some degree among the military," in part because of discontent with Bush over foreign policy and veterans' issues.

In what may be one sign of the trend, individuals who identified themselves as members of the uniformed services have donated 38 percent of their dollars to Democratic candidates, party committees and leadership PACs so far this election cycle, compared with 22 percent during the 2000 campaign overall, according to the Center for Responsive Politics, a Washington-based group that tracks political campaign money

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Associated Press Writer Kimberly Hefling, AP database editor Troy Thibodeaux and AP News Survey Specialist Dennis Junius contributed to this report from Washington. Also contributing: Associated Press Writers Susanne Schafer in Columbia, S.C., Chelsea Carter in San Diego, Alicia Caldwell in El Paso, Texas, and Kevin Maurer in Wilmington, N.C.

WASHINGTON — Brandon Ziegler served two tours in Iraq and wears a bracelet inscribed with the name of an Army buddy who never made it home. Jim Morin saw action in both Iraq and Afghanistan and ...
WASHINGTON — Brandon Ziegler served two tours in Iraq and wears a bracelet inscribed with the name of an Army buddy who never made it home. Jim Morin saw action in both Iraq and Afghanistan and ...
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I thought people serving in the military hated him? I was also told that the people in the military knew what a noble cause Iraq is.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:12 AM on 07/02/2008
- tinarm I'm a Fan of tinarm 5 fans permalink

My dad is a Vietnam Vet and solidly behind Obama, he thinks McCain is stuck in Vietnam and sees everything from that view and can't get the war out of his head. He also thinks that Obama has ideas about the future and that McCain can't even complete a coherent statement.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:10 AM on 07/02/2008

I made a short video about my own views on this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvN49MsSkHI

Eye on the prize.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:07 AM on 07/02/2008
- CynthiaCr I'm a Fan of CynthiaCr 2 fans permalink

Beautiful. It took my breath away.
thank you

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:36 AM on 07/02/2008

You're welcome. Thank you for watching it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:55 AM on 07/02/2008
- soupson52 I'm a Fan of soupson52 14 fans permalink

That was incredible. I don't know how you did it but, well, just wow. What a great piece that would be to run on the Fourth on MSM.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:22 AM on 07/02/2008

Thank you. If you know a soldier who would appreciate this, pass it on.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:05 PM on 07/02/2008

Beautiful and interesting DISTORTION of the Time Line.

While I do not doubt the instances of humanitarian soldiers you depict, you paint the Iraq War as if Cheney’s prediction that they would greet us with flowers actually played out. You paint it as the March of the “Peace Keepers” bringing sunshine and light to the noble Iraqi’s who are just like us and only suffering under the jackboots of that nasty Heel Hussein (whose toppling statue opens your video.) Subscribe to the “White Man’s (or its modern NEOCon version – Freedom Lover’s) Burden” theory much?

It was Hostile Regime Change (who happened to have oil and were weak) and Corporatist Interests were behind it from the start. They didn’t move in later to corrupt the noble soldiers' goals.

So which "bad country" do you propose we next invade in order to promote "Freedom" through regime change.

Keep up the propaganda please. Just change the faces to Iranian and send it to the White House so they can use for their next War of Aggression in the Gulf.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:29 AM on 07/02/2008

We can't change the past. We have to look at the present and the future.
It is a freedom campaign. How we got into that freedom campaign, and how it was conducted was a crime, but we can change that. We must change that. The future of the Middle East, and the world, demands we do. The world has to come together to help us achieve a free Middle East.

Let's clean our own house so we can. Change, top down.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:05 PM on 07/02/2008
- Ramirez I'm a Fan of Ramirez 288 fans permalink
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That was very well done, and moving.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:39 AM on 07/02/2008

Thanks Ramirez, especially for your service (I'm taking a leap you're a soldier, or were)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:03 PM on 07/02/2008
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say aint so..............................................

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:45 AM on 07/02/2008
- AtomiClash I'm a Fan of AtomiClash 4 fans permalink

Say what ain't so? Sounds like the military is fairly well balanced between the two candidates.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:01 AM on 07/02/2008

While many are still deciding who should be president, by 52 percent to 45 percent they would prefer having Obama than McCain to their summer cookout, according to an Associated Press-Yahoo News poll released Wednesday. Now we know the qualities that Wes Clark looks for in a president.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:15 AM on 07/02/2008
- CynthiaCr I'm a Fan of CynthiaCr 2 fans permalink

Sigh. That's a leap. I know it's unspeakable but looking at McCain's record from birth on, you really have to wonder if "maverick" isn't some politically correct term for 'screw-up'.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:46 AM on 07/02/2008
- NoahVail I'm a Fan of NoahVail 59 fans permalink
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They know, better than most, what is going on.

"War is a racket. It always has been. It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives. A racket is best described, I believe, as something that is not what it seems to the majority of the people. Only a small 'inside' group knows what it is about. It is conducted for the benefit of the very few, at the expense of the very many. Out of war a few people make huge fortunes."

-Major General Smedley Butler, 2-time Medal of Honor awardee

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:05 AM on 07/02/2008

Wasn't he the guy who blew the whistle on the fascist conspiracy to overthrow FDR?

When you look at what those guys were trying to accomplish, much of it has now been achieved under GW Bush. It's like we had a stealth fascist takeover of the country.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:19 AM on 07/02/2008
- harriscrl3 I'm a Fan of harriscrl3 191 fans permalink

It boggles the mind how military personnel could prefer John McCain. Do they know that John McCain voted against the GI bill that he is now taking credit for. I mean give me a break are people really that stupid. Maybe there is more mental health damage in the army than we know. Good luck with McCain Mr. I dont have a plan but people love me anyway. McCain is like the emperor with no clothes on. I've never seen anything like this. Sad to say but the IQ of this country continues to plummet.

Carol

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:29 AM on 07/02/2008
- gladys46 I'm a Fan of gladys46 242 fans permalink

What they "say" is one thing, where they place their $$$ is quite the other!! Fear paralizes!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:13 AM on 07/02/2008
- edwarvir I'm a Fan of edwarvir 36 fans permalink

harriscrl3 No!!!! just that racist. Pray for our America.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:04 AM on 07/02/2008
- JD8 I'm a Fan of JD8 permalink

You would never know Obama garners more military support from the press.

Even the "liberal" press trashes him routinely over nothing. Look at Maureen Dowd's column today. It reminds me of how she helped stick the knife in Gore in 2000 with a bunch of non-substantive crap about lockboxes. And what did Gore do after he lost because of people like her? Win the Nobel Peace Prize for his work on one of the most important issues facing the world today which his opponent continues to totally ignore. People like Maureen Dowd and the pro-Iraq war New York Times are the enemy within.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/02/op...

You can send her responses via the NYT website here. http://topics.nytimes.com/top/opinio...

Here is my response.

""This presidential race should be about how to fix the scary cascading crises in the country and the world."

That's true. What is your column about? How Obama isn't good at palling around with reporters. Hmmmm.

You killed Gore in 2000 with a bunch of pap like this Maureen. Don't make the same mistake. Spare us, and yourself.

PS I have a secret for you. No candidate is perfect. No candidate is perfect on policy. And every candidate has personality foibles and weak moments. It's all a matter of degree and will the candidate basically do a good job. Not a perfect job with a flawless superhero character Maureen. Just a good job."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:28 AM on 07/02/2008

Those troops wanna come home! They just cant say it becuase they will get charged with high treason and thrown to G-Mo Bay to have a trial 10 years later!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:50 AM on 07/02/2008
- Graywolf48 I'm a Fan of Graywolf48 82 fans permalink
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Well stated.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:52 AM on 07/02/2008

Great article. I find most young troops are very supportive of Obama while officers Especially older officers more support McCain. It is very interesting to see officers who do support Obama. Most are very quite about it.
Yesterday an officer pulled me aside to get a bumper sticker for Obama:) I would caution anyone to think any politician stands for ALL military people. The most loved politician now... Jim Webb for the new GI bill

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:11 AM on 07/02/2008
- robynuva I'm a Fan of robynuva 5 fans permalink

MCBush will rue the day he taunted Sen. O about going to Iraq, where I predict the troops will greet him very enthusiastically. Will make a great photo op, all those guys in uniform cheering.

My family has served for 5 generations, and there isn't a Mc supporter among us.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:01 AM on 07/02/2008
- theone718 I'm a Fan of theone718 23 fans permalink
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He will look utterly presidential when he goes to Iraq. It won't be a good look for McCain at all. Especially if all goes well.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:52 AM on 07/02/2008
- cindyw I'm a Fan of cindyw 47 fans permalink
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Great point. Big mistake for McCain.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:00 AM on 07/02/2008
- pupbayer I'm a Fan of pupbayer 23 fans permalink

The troops pretty much great anyone of note enthusiastically. Stuck over there, anyone they recognize or any break in routine is pretty exciting. So, yes, they'll cheer and have their pictures taken.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:04 AM on 07/02/2008
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The problem with this is that our government has to orchestrate his visit. I wouldn't put it past the B'ush Administration to tell the military to give O'bama the cold shoulder when he comes there.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:12 AM on 07/02/2008
- nick1936 I'm a Fan of nick1936 17 fans permalink

Look if we think we need a President with a Military background at least give us one who who is qualified and had the good sense not to get his ass captured.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:56 AM on 07/02/2008
- Gumby123 I'm a Fan of Gumby123 15 fans permalink
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Right, it's not as if his plane got shot down or something.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:56 AM on 07/02/2008
- robodweeb I'm a Fan of robodweeb 128 fans permalink
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Other than $4 gasoline, what did we get for our misguided effort?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:56 AM on 07/02/2008
- NoahVail I'm a Fan of NoahVail 59 fans permalink
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Time to reprise those 32 tapes from Hanoi that PW Songbird made, urging the troops to go home.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:51 AM on 07/02/2008
- Indyfromny I'm a Fan of Indyfromny 17 fans permalink
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I'm seeing this from a different perspective, being an Obama supporter. Wth that said, you're absolutely right. Censorship has been rampent to thew point that many of the old bloggers have left the sight. Even I left for a while, but curiousity gets th best of me. Anyway good post.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:38 AM on 07/02/2008
- Piatt I'm a Fan of Piatt 17 fans permalink

28 young Americans died during the month of June in Afghanistan...the highest death toll since the war started in 2001. The Taliban is regrouping and Osama is still roaming around the mountains sending videos and audios.

Keep telling us how the surge is working (in the wrong war in the wrong country at the wrong time). What a tragedy that the lives and physical and mental health of so many young men and women are in the hands of fools.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:12 AM on 07/02/2008
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