"Whistling Past Dixie" Author: Obama Will Lose The South

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NY Times   |   July 1, 2008 09:33 AM


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THE interim between the primaries and the parties' nominating conventions is, according to ancient writ, a fertile period for presidential campaigns to talk about how they plan to expand the political map in the fall. This year is no different. Barack Obama's strategists are suggesting that the first African-American presidential nominee of a major political party can parlay increased turnout among black voters into a string of victories in the South.

Given that roughly half of all African-Americans live in the 11 former Confederate states, the idea seems intuitive enough. It's also wrong. Prying Southern electoral votes away from the Republicans is not so simple.

Two pervasive and persistent myths about racial voting in the modern South are behind the notion that Mr. Obama might win in places like Georgia, North Carolina and Mississippi.

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- 4real See Profile I'm a Fan of 4real

And Mccane will lose the election.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:19 AM on 07/02/2008
- kinnycut See Profile I'm a Fan of kinnycut

From a strategy point of view it is not whether or not Obama can win states in the South. It is whether or not he can poll close enough in those states as the election nears. If he stays close in the polls in many of those states, it will force McCain to spend money and time in states that Republican Presidential candidates usually take for granted in Presidential elections. African Americans will vote in large numbers, so that is a known variable. The constant unknown variable is how many new voters will come out for Obama. McCain can't afford to assume absolute victory in those states, and neither candidate can afford to trust any poll because pollsters only poll those voters who are most likely to vote based on previous presidential elections. Voter drives and surges in Democratic registration in some states change that dynamic. The question that plagues the pollsters is not the number of voters that may come out among the voting blocs they are aware of, but the total number of voters that may come out to vote that have never voted before. This is the unkown variable. This is the potential November surprise.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:55 AM on 07/02/2008
- Retrofuturistic See Profile I'm a Fan of Retrofuturistic

Well, I think he just lost me too, when he cozied up to the evangelicals and said he would continue a form of George Bush's faith-based initiatives. That is a deal breaker for me. If you have sworn to uphold the Constitution, you don't compromise with upholding the Constitution. If Obama cannot vigorously support the separation of church and state, he has lost my vote.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:06 AM on 07/02/2008
- SeanGardner See Profile I'm a Fan of SeanGardner

He will lose most Southern States, but, I do expect for him to win Virginia, North Carolina, Missouri, Mississippi, and, Georgia.

Libertarian candidate Bob Barr (a former Republican) is one of the variables that will ensure these victories.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:00 AM on 07/02/2008
- Gary47 See Profile I'm a Fan of Gary47

Well that's a no-brainer. The South is a hot-bead of racists, hard-core conservatives, gun nuts and religious extremists. I think it'll take a little longer for education and tolerance to trickle through the barriers. But I hope I'm wrong.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:09 PM on 07/01/2008
- Ramirez See Profile I'm a Fan of Ramirez

You are, and bigoted as well.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:55 AM on 07/02/2008
- jsinclair See Profile I'm a Fan of jsinclair

Another conservative plant at the once-reputable NYT?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:06 PM on 07/01/2008
- Ramirez See Profile I'm a Fan of Ramirez

Absolutely! The author is hardcore.

'Thomas F. Schaller, a professor of political science at the University of Maryland, Baltimore County, is the author of "Whistling Past Dixie: How Democrats Can Win Without the South."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:56 AM on 07/02/2008
- oliv0128 See Profile I'm a Fan of oliv0128

I don't know about all this business. I live in NC, and things have been looking relatively good for O there. I'm hopeful. Plus, it's not all about the presidential race. It's also about mixing things up, giving normally neglected states attention during the campaign, and bolstering enthusiasm for downticket candidates. For example, we have a very important senate election in which Sen. Dole's seat might actually be up for grabs (fingers crossed!). It's important for the enthusiasm, organizing, and dollars that a presidential campaign can generate to be spread around in the South as well!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:39 PM on 07/01/2008
- Graywolf48 See Profile I'm a Fan of Graywolf48

In all probability he will lose the South. What's "news" about that? What would be "news" is if he did win the South, or even more of the South than any other Democrat has recently. If he can win Florida and Virginia, he'll be in the catbird seat. Obama will sweep the West Coast and all of the Northeast including Indiana, Ohio and PA. I predict, as do many others, he'll top McCain in overall popular votes and will win more than 300 in electoral votes. Unless, of course, he's caught in bed with a dead woman or a live man.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:12 PM on 07/01/2008
- southernfried See Profile I'm a Fan of southernfried

i doubt that, i'm from the south, born here, grew up here, the has changed over the years

i think obama might win, we need some serious change

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:10 PM on 07/01/2008
- leftoflennon See Profile I'm a Fan of leftoflennon

Oh NYT, you all seem to have ur knickers in a twist!

He will NOT looose the south!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:33 PM on 07/01/2008
- naschkatze See Profile I'm a Fan of naschkatze

The NYT backed Clinton and McCain in the primaries so they will cut of their nose to spite their face and back McCain over Obama in the general. They are probably in a real snit that the local girl didn't win. I agree that he will take some southern states. NC, GA, and MI do look good, and the Times left out Virginia and Maryland. Aren't they considered southern? At least I thought Virginia was. Right now Florida seems competitive, and I'll bet Texas will be competitive too.

And Obama will pick up some red western states.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:47 PM on 07/01/2008
- GeorgeMilquetoast See Profile I'm a Fan of GeorgeMilquetoast

If the Democratic Party wants to be competitive in Mississippi, then I suggest they campaign with the following concept:

KATRINA = REPUBLICAN

I believe that even Trent Lott was pretty miffed about Dubya's mismanagement and effective abandonment of FEMA responsibilities. Remind folks that the government is supposed to _serve_ and assist We The People during times of disaster and emergency.

Heckuvajob!

George Hussein Milquetoast

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:09 PM on 07/01/2008
- GeorgeMilquetoast See Profile I'm a Fan of GeorgeMilquetoast

Interesting. "Dubya" is allowed. "Du_m_b_ya" is not.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:09 PM on 07/01/2008
- GeorgeMilquetoast See Profile I'm a Fan of GeorgeMilquetoast

If the Democratic Party wants to be competitive in Mississippi, then I suggest they campaign with the following concept:

KATRINA = REPUBLICAN

Heckuvajob!

George Hussein Milquetoast

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:08 PM on 07/01/2008
- BBackSoon See Profile I'm a Fan of BBackSoon

If the racist bastards give this election to McSame then we can burn our last American flag because that will be the end of these United States.

How stupid people will vote against their own good because of issues like race or gay marriage or stem cell research is beyond me. Perhaps we get what we deserve. What a shame.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:30 PM on 07/01/2008
- shengirl See Profile I'm a Fan of shengirl

let's remember the racists in PA, too, not just in the south

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:59 AM on 07/02/2008
- NoFactsJustTruth See Profile I'm a Fan of NoFactsJustTruth

Anobody betting on ANYTHING the New York Times says anymore just hasn't been paying attention.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:57 PM on 07/01/2008
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