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First Posted: 07- 2-08 03:04 PM   |   Updated: 07-10-08 05:12 AM

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The bitter ideological debate over Barack Obama's decision to support to controversial national security wiretapping legislation and other "moves to the center" has masked the real dangers of shifting positions during an election.

Most of the debate has been between advocates of "centrist" and "left" strategies, pitting those who believe Bill Clinton's kind of "triangulation" or moderation is the only way to win a presidential contest against those calling for more full-throated advocacy of economically redistributive, socially/culturally/morally/racially liberal, and/or progressive-populist stands.

In fact, the question for Democrats is less ideological than strategic.

Clinton won the presidency in 1992 with a political gameplan developed over many years -- a so-called Southern governor's strategy -- that stressed "ending welfare as we know it," coupling "rights" with "responsibilities," and granting priority to those who "work hard and play by the rules." Clinton set out to define his candidacy as independent of interest group liberalism, and, while campaigning, de-emphasized the more extreme and contentious elements of the rights revolution. Clinton maintained that stance through election day.

The current political climate has forced -- and permitted -- Democrats to shift their emphasis to the highly unpopular war in Iraq. As Glenn Greenwald points out, Democrat Chris Murphy beat Republican Connecticut Rep. Nancy Johnson in 2006 running on a platform of "ending the Iraq War, opposing Bush policies on eavesdropping and torture, and rejecting what he called the 'false choice between war and civil liberties.'" Similarly, in the seemingly rock-ribbed Republican district of former House Speaker Dennis Hastert, Bill Foster in a special election earlier this year "made opposition to the Iraq War a centerpiece of his campaign -- and emphatically opposed both warrantless eavesdropping and telecom immunity -- and then won a special election."

While Clinton on one side and Murphy and Foster on the other represent different approaches to winning office, they share the crucial characteristic of consistency.

Clinton's 1992 primary bid for the Democratic nomination and his campaign against George H. W. Bush were remarkable in their consistency. During the '92 campaign itself, Clinton, starting out at the center, displayed little or no "backtracking to the right" that many party strategists suggest is essential in the transition from primary to general election contests. In a series of policy lectures at Georgetown University in 1991 and early 1992, Clinton staked out the center with a vengeance, and never let go until the presidency was his.

In a development directly relevant to a potential Obama administration, Clinton began to shift positions almost immediately upon winning election, however, moving left and drawing attention to redistributive tax policies without a promised middle class tax cut; to at-the-time controversial gender equity issues (Zoƫ Baird, Lani Guinier); his wife's co-presidency; abortion rights; gay rights; pork-barrel spending; postponement of welfare reform, and so forth. The public quickly turned on him, and Democrats lost both the House and Senate to the successful Gingrich-led Republican Revolution of 1994.

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What this suggests is that changing positions is a highly risky political strategy.

Mississippi Democratic strategist Jere Nash noted that in Obama's case, "it matters more that he is consistent than what his original position was vs. what his final position becomes. Or, he admits he has changed his mind because circumstances have changed. My own view is that [now], four months out, is too late to 'tack.' The GOP has thousands of things they can say about Obama to turn him into a liberal, even without FISA and guns (and even if they didn't have it, they'd make it up)...

"Folks in the middle of the bell curve who have become attracted to Obama are attracted to him because he represents something different, not from a public policy perspective but from the perspective of all of those intangible qualities we characterize a leader by. If he begins to contradict himself or change his mind or appear groveling to special interest groups, then he will slowly undermine what has heretofore been one of his signal strengths."

Another Democratic strategist with deep roots in the South, James Duffy, voiced considerable concern about Obama's changing stands:

"I honestly don't know what to think. He wins the primary by being the new face, the anti-Washington voice. Now, he is beginning to act in a completely different way... What happened to the new voice, the new way, the desire for change? Given the mood in the country, it may not matter, but for my money he is seriously undercutting his basic appeal."

Managing the shift from the primary election, in which voters have stronger partisan commitments on issues running the gamut from Iraq to health care, to the general is one of the more difficult processes in politics.

"Tacking to the right is the great summer pastime of Democratic nominees, particularly those who aspire to win electoral votes in places like Virginia and Colorado," said Yale political scientists Donald Green. "The risk for Senator Obama is that he is seen as shooting from the hip on the issues that arise daily, as opposed to stating his moderate positions ahead of time and indicating how they fit within a broad set of principles... The fact is that Americans vote less on issues than on persona, and one cannot be seen as a flip-flopper or a neophyte."

Taking a similar position, University of Virginia political scientist Sidney Milkis argues: "As the first African-American to receive a party's nomination for president, and with a very consistent liberal record, Obama has some discretion to take moderate positions on certain issues." But, Milkis contends, "there must be a 'nub,' as Lincoln put it, which he will not compromise....On certain core issues, therefore, the Iraq War and health care, in particular, I do not think he has that much room to compromise. No responsible candidate can guarantee exactly when all troops will be withdrawn; nonetheless, I think Obama has to commit to a fundamentally different Iraq and foreign policy than the GOP and McCain are offering. Similarly, I think he has to stay the course on pursuing fundamental reform of the health care system."

Robert J. Blendon, Harvard Professor of Health Policy and Political Analysis and director of the Harvard Opinion Research Program, made the case that there are three policy areas where Obama could face major upheavals among his own supporters if he substantially alters course: "These are 1) ending the war in Iraq and bringing the troops home, 2) re-negotiating U.S. trade agreements to make them fairer to American workers and 3) supporting a woman's right to choose on abortion."

Conversely, Blendon argued that the electorate is seeking moderation is two other areas, the economy and national security: "Key blocs of voters are looking for an activist moderate in the economy -- someone who will do targeted things to improve what is seen as a multi-faceted decline in American economic life. However, that candidate cannot be seen as advocating huge re-distributive tax-and-spend programs that would raise taxes on a range of middle-income Americans, or favoring large new regulatory interventions by government in the American economic system... On national security, key swing voters are looking for a president who can both protect us from perceived overseas threats and repair some of our apparently troubled relationships with other countries."

The issue that has provoked the most controversy for Obama is the reversal of his stand on a provision in national security legislation -- the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) -- granting telecommunications companies retroactive immunity from lawsuits based on their past cooperation with the Bush administration running wiretaps without warrants.

"I strongly oppose retroactive immunity in the FISA bill," Obama declared in a January 28 statement issued during his primary fight with Hillary Clinton. "No one should get a free pass to violate the basic civil liberties of the American people - not the President of the United States, and not the telecommunications companies that fell in line with his warrantless surveillance program."

On June 20, however, Obama announced:

"Given the grave threats that we face, our national security agencies must have the capability to gather intelligence and track down terrorists before they strike, while respecting the rule of law and the privacy and civil liberties of the American people. There is also little doubt that the Bush Administration, with the cooperation of major telecommunications companies, has abused that authority and undermined the Constitution by intercepting the communications of innocent Americans without their knowledge or the required court orders...


"[The legislation] is not all that I would want. But given the legitimate threats we face, providing effective intelligence collection tools with appropriate safeguards is too important to delay. So I support the compromise, but do so with a firm pledge that as President, I will carefully monitor the program, review the report by the Inspectors General, and work with the Congress to take any additional steps I deem necessary to protect the lives - and the liberty - of the American people."

FISA legislation is an arcane subject, and very few members of the public are aware of the details of the debate, making the controversy less a liability than would be the case if Obama shifted gears on an issue of high public salience, such as health care or the war.

"Am I bummed, am I pissed that Obama and most of our Democratic leaders caved in on FISA? Absolutely, and there's nothing wrong with saying so. But am I going to 'hold Obama accountable' for this action? Well, no, frankly," wrote Mike Lux on OpenLeft. "[I]n the last five months of a Presidential general, I get totally focused on one thing: winning the damn election. The stakes are simply too high. Winning the election won't solve all our problems, or give us a suddenly progressive America, but it at least gives us a chance to make progress. If I have to swallow my anger on an issue I care about, well, to be blunt, I'm down for that, too."

The bitter ideological debate over Barack Obama's decision to support to controversial national security wiretapping legislation and other "moves to the center" has masked the real dangers of shifting...
The bitter ideological debate over Barack Obama's decision to support to controversial national security wiretapping legislation and other "moves to the center" has masked the real dangers of shifting...
 
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Listen to the ClydeSloppers of America - that is what Obama can learn from Bill.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:38 AM on 07/03/2008
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Actually there is not much Obama can learn from Bubba, we have to remember that Bill was a losing candidate and basically backed into the presidency when Perot siphoned off 19 percent of the vote from Bush allowing Wild Bill to squeeze into office with a whopping 43 percent minority.

Barack is doing very nicely on his own without any help from the Clinton's.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:18 AM on 07/03/2008
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He can learn to keep it in his pants and if he can't handle that then at least don't dip your wick in the company ink.

Word

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:45 AM on 07/03/2008

"Folks in the middle of the bell curve who have become attracted to Obama are attracted to him because he represents something different, not from a public policy perspective but from the perspective of all of those intangible qualities we characterize a leader by."

This is a very cogent point. If there is a surprise it may be from the support of republicans. Democrats may be dissappointed that he isn't as liberal as they suspected and hoped.

Things republicans may like: strong family man, was a man of faith before it was politically correct, supports gun ownership, willing to look at alternatives in national defense, doesn't roll over for anyone [including his own party...a la Reagan], is bipartisan [basically thinks both parties are out of the loop], beat Clinton.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:11 AM on 07/03/2008

1) The Bell Curve is a piece of garbage. Its science-fiction.

2) Tell Obama to stop copying Ronald Reagan as much as he is doing now?

3) Tell Obama to stop lying. He's running a commercial in 18 states saying about how he turned welfare-to-work, etc. Fact: He was a state senator then was was AGAINST Pres. Clinton's 'Welfare reform Bill'.

4) Bill Clinton has more brains and leadership ability in his little finger then Obama has in entire body.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:19 AM on 07/03/2008

Black National Anthem (continued part 3)

James Weldon Johnson

Lift ev'ry voice and sing,
Till earth and heaven ring.
Ring with the harmonies of Liberty;
Let our rejoicing rise,
High as the list'ning skies,
Let it resound loud as the rolling sea.
Sing a song full of the faith that the dark past has taught us,
Sing a song full of the hope that the present has brought us;
Facing the rising sun of our new day begun,
Let us march on till victory is won.
Stony the road we trod,
Bitter the chast'ning rod,
Felt in the days when hope unborn had died;
Yet with a steady beat,
Have not our weary feet,
Come to the place for which our fathers sighed?
We have come over a way that with tears has been watered,
We have come, treading our path through the blood of the slaughtered,
Out from the gloomy past,
Till now we stand at last
Where the white gleam of our bright star is cast.
God of our weary years,
God of our silent tears,
Thou who has brought us thus far on the way;
Thou who has by Thy might,
Led us into the light,
Keep us forever in the path, we pray.
Lest our feet stray from the places, our God, where we met Thee,
Lest our hearts, drunk with the wine of the world, we forget Thee,
Shadowed beneath thy hand,
May we forever stand,
True to our God,
True to our native land.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:27 AM on 07/03/2008

First of all, this is NOT the Black States of America....This is the United States of America..So I have a problem with any Black National Anthem. Matter of fact, African-Americans are NOT even the biggest minority in America. Hispanics are. And thats Hispanics who are American citizens, yet. Not even counting so-called illegals. Although they African-Americans still receive more overall benefits than Hispanics....I do NOT find a Black National Anthem as being Black pride, rather its a form of racism.............My opinion and I don't give a f--k what all the PC-folks say.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:10 AM on 07/03/2008

Black National Anthem (continued page 2)
Governor Bill Ritter (D-Colorado) discussed the incident on The Mike Rosen Show on 850 KOA on Wednesday morning, calling it "inappropriate."
"I don't think it's fair artistic expression," said Ritter.
Ritter went on to say he felt Marie's actions were "wrong" and "outside the bounds."
"It certainly is operating as a distraction," said Ritter.

Marie told 9NEWS she kept her plans to switch songs quiet until the very last moment. She says only she, her husband and a friend knew she was going to sing something other than the "Star-Spangled Banner."

She says she wanted to express her love of her country by mixing the lyrics of "Lift Ev'ry Voice and Sing" with the melody of the "Star-Spangled Banner."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:25 AM on 07/03/2008

pst pst pst Check this out! Scary or what?

BLACK NATIONAL ANTHEM-Contraversial or what?

9NEWS.COM
posted by: Tiffani Lupenski July 2, 2008
NATIONAL ANTHEM STIRS CONTRAVERSY FOR CITY

DENVER - Mayor John Hickenlooper's annual State of the City address may get more attention for what wasn't included than what was.

At the start of the event Tuesday morning, City Council President Michael Hancock introduced singer Rene Marie to perform the national anthem.

Instead, she performed the song "Lift Ev'ry Voice and Sing," which is also known as the "black national anthem."
When she finished, the audience responded with mild applause. The national anthem was never performed.

(continued part 1)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:23 AM on 07/03/2008

There is this McKinley Middle School in South Holland, IL. The Dunbar High School in Chicago Band did a show there. To begin, they played ONLY the Black Anthem and ignored the 'Stars Spangeled Banner'. Despite a high minority of the students at this school were White. Despite the fact the MAJORITY of actual tax-payers in Chicago funding the public schools are White. Despite the fact the show was done in South Holland, Illinois, USA.....No, the advocates of the Black National Anthem are doing a RACIST act.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:14 AM on 07/03/2008
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Don't leave any "Genetic Material" behind?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:49 AM on 07/03/2008

According to John Dean, who actually read the FISA bill, said it gives civil immunity but not criminal immunity. While poorly written the bill does restore getting warrants.

The bill can be re-written later but immunity for the telecoms, if passed, cannot be reversed. Dean also noted that may not be as big of a deal considering issues of "national security" would be an obstacle in getting the case to trial.

More importantly Iam more concerned with getting Obama elected than the FISA bill at the moment because 4 years under McCain we can kiss our civil liberties good-bye. We will be in perpetual war and corporations will acquire even more power.

You are free to disagree or criticize Obama, but compromising the election will have far greater consequences.

No way am I sitting one this out! Too much is at stake.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:40 AM on 07/03/2008

Well said serena. You are on target and we should see the light!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:19 AM on 07/03/2008

On an Arianna post, I opined that this center vs. left split could also be characterized as a split between means/principle vs. ends/pragmatism. Being a staunchly means/principle person myself, I'm horrified by the Bad Obama we've seen these past couple of weeks.

The ends/pragmatism people just don't seem to "get" where people like me are coming from. Here's an analogy for you:

Would you rather have a neighbor who you know hates you? Or a spouse who lives with you that you can't trust?

In this analogy, McCain played the role of the neighbor; Obama, the spouse. Me? I'll take the enemy neighbor.

That's my way of saying that if Obama is as stupid as he seems to be these last couple of weeks, and he stays on this new course, not only won't I not vote for him, I'm taking my family and getting the hell out of this country (Canada? Greek Islands?).

I think with a President Good Obama, we'd still have the Depression and maybe even Civil War that's ahead of us. But, at the end of it all, we'd pull it out of it, and rebuild America anew.

But President Bush III? President Bad Obama? I'm not sticking around to see that horror movie.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:55 AM on 07/03/2008

I believe a lot of people are waiting in line to move to another country. I hope you've been on a waiting list for a while, cause you won't get citizenship anytime soon in another country. Most countries despise us because of this current administration.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:09 AM on 07/03/2008

Actually, I'm a citizen of Canada and Greece. I just became a U.S. citizen earlier this year. That last one brought tears to my eyes. I mean I was born in Canada, and became a Greek citizen for business reasons. But America is about who I am as a human. I am free. America is the land of freedom.

Problem with freedom though is that when too many people make bad choices, it risks destroying the nation. Crushing debt, obesity, degenerative disease, wealth disparity, foreclosures. This is where we all have taken America in 2008. And it's only getting worse from here.

The only way we're surviving the dark days ahead of us is if we Americans assume personal responsibility for our own lives, and help lift each other up. But since we Americans don't do either of those things today, we need a leader to bring us there. Good Obama is that leader. There isn't anybody else. And there's no time left to find anyone else.

We need the Good Obama. Come back Good Obama!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:29 AM on 07/03/2008
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Bad analogy... wife is to neighbor as POTUS is to POTUS. Doen't make sense.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:13 AM on 07/03/2008
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Depression and Civil War - Who'se playing the politics of fear now?

Have fun in the Greek Islands!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:47 AM on 07/03/2008

Obama is the riskiest presidential candidate this country has ever seen.

He will wreck the already weak economy and will cower from foreign conflict
inviting 9/11 attacks all over again.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:54 PM on 07/02/2008

Steve, you are either exceptionally misinformed or a not very effective troll.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:14 PM on 07/02/2008
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Fearmongering...you must be a Repug.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:24 AM on 07/03/2008
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At first I thought your statement was intentionally humorous, but the only thing funny about your remarks is you, hard to believe there are still some folks like you out there who still drink the Republican Kool-aid. Still laughing however.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:17 AM on 07/03/2008

Same thing was said of Abraham Lincoln.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:44 AM on 07/03/2008

Steve...Steve? Steve! Oh, you must be out to lunch. Obama, riskiest candidate? Even If he is, then it lends credence to the old adage, "A thirsty man will drink of impure waters". Americans must be so disgusted with the present administration, that given the pitiful choice in McCain, they have no other option but to be motivated by the prospect of CHANGE -- change you can believe in!. And Obama cannot wreck what's already wrecked. Don't attempt to transfer the blame here, we're onto you. For your troubles, blame the Bush administration's failed policies, poor governance, and a naive and forgiving electorate..

We might as well take the risk.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:57 AM on 07/03/2008

Yeah, a nicotine patch can be your BF, because smoking is hazardous to your health and and a "stain " on your legacy.

I'm ROTF.....Now, I'm LMAO!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:05 PM on 07/02/2008

I'm a confused old republican who doesn't know what in the hell you are saying but I defend to the death your right to say it...I think.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:17 AM on 07/03/2008
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I know everyone is nervous about this election...but 5 months ago it wasn't even clear that BHO would be the nominee. He shocked and awwwed us then, give him a chance to do it again! He's setting up GE mode. Can a brother get a chance to show what he's made of without being compared to every other politician out there? Americans...we are a trip.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:37 PM on 07/02/2008
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He IS sticking to his plan, which has ALWAYS been conservative. He is a liberal fascist. Where have the rest of you been all this time? I expected this from him, as I did from Hillary, that's why I voted for a liberal candidate with liberal policies, who actually discussed them on the campaign trail, and not a politician who spouted slogans without policy to back them up. FISA is policy. Faith-based initiatives are policy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:07 PM on 07/02/2008

HRC is and always was more progressive than O.

From earlier articles:

HRC has a 100% progressive voting record on issues related to corporate subsidies and on housing. She ranks as the number 1 progressive among all senators on these issues.

She is also ranked as the number 1 progressive among all Senators on Darfur, nuclear weapons, arms control treaties, military spending in general, intelligence oversight, general U.S. military intervention overseas, and the well-being of military personnel.

BUT NO ONE HERE CARED. They just ate up the bashing BS and screamed her war vote destroyed her record. Did they ever read her floor speech and put it in context? NO. Well guess what?

O would have voted for that war. From what he's shown in the last few weeks - I am FULLY convinced!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:03 AM on 07/03/2008

What's O going to learn from Bill? How to play the Saxophone or what to do with a cigar?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:35 PM on 07/02/2008
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Maybe he can learn how to run a successful GE instead of thrashing around like a beached whale trying to pander to everybody.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:52 PM on 07/02/2008
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like b ill did for hi llary? hah!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:12 PM on 07/02/2008

A lot of things, like how to fix a smashed economy (go back and read up on how awful things were after Bush 1 - worse than now, I assure you), how to not back down from Republicans bent on destroying you, how to balance a "team of rivals" - something Obama has expressed interest in doing (Robert Rubin and Robert Reich, for example), how to get policy effected despite enormous opposition from your rivals, and how to endure endless criticism and pseudo-scandals from the media.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:22 AM on 07/03/2008

The Washington Post reports that D emocratic presidential candidate B arack O bama (pictured) received a discount on his home loan that saved him roughly $300 per month: "Shortly after joining the U.S. Senate and while enjoying a surge in income, B arack O bama bought a $1.65 million restored Georgian mansion in an upscale Chicago neighborhood. To finance the purchase, he secured a $1.32 million loan from Northern Trust in Illinois."

More: "The freshman se nator received a discount. He locked in an interest rate of 5.625 percent on the 30-year fixed-rate mortgage, below the average for such loans at the time in Chicago. The loan was unusually large, known in banker lingo as a 'super super jumbo.' O bama paid no origination fee or discount points, as some consumers do to reduce their interest rates. Compared with average terms offered at the time in Chicago, Ob ama's rate could have saved him more than $300 per month."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:28 PM on 07/02/2008

Does this mean he put 330,000 dollars down payment on it?

300 bucks a month isn't really that much at that income.

sigh.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:51 PM on 07/02/2008

Yep - the Washington Post ran another incorrect article because they did not do their research. How nice of you to spread this misinformation. Your fellow PUMAS must see you as their heroine.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:19 PM on 07/02/2008

OMG! An interest rate of 5.625%! Surely no one has ever received such special treatment before. Oh wait, millions of people did.

BTW, you can thank Bill Clinton (and Al Gore, for his deciding vote) for that. Back in the evil days of Bush and Reagan I paid 14% on a 30 year mortgage.

But look over there! The gazillionaire McCains haven't paid property taxes in four years on their place in LaJolla! See, that's what real scandalous behavior looks like.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:26 AM on 07/03/2008
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Thomas B. Edsall's name is bubba.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:48 PM on 07/02/2008
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