Justice Department Considers Racial Profiling For Terror Prevention

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The Justice Department is considering letting the FBI investigate Americans without any evidence of wrongdoing, relying instead on a terrorist profile that could single out Muslims, Arabs or other racial and ethnic groups.

Law enforcement officials say the proposed policy would help them do exactly what Congress demanded after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks: root out terrorists before they strike.

Although President Bush has disavowed targeting suspects based on their race or ethnicity, the new rules would allow the FBI to consider those factors among a number of traits that could trigger a national security investigation.

Currently, FBI agents need specific reasons _ like evidence or allegations that a law probably has been violated _ to investigate U.S. citizens and legal residents. The new policy, law enforcement officials told The Associated Press, would let agents open preliminary terrorism investigations after mining public records and intelligence to build a profile of traits that, taken together, were deemed suspicious.

Among the factors that could make someone subject of an investigation is travel to regions of the world known for terrorist activity, access to weapons or military training, along with the person's race or ethnicity.

More than a half-dozen senior FBI, Justice Department and other U.S. intelligence officials familiar with the new policy agreed to discuss it only on condition of anonymity, either because they were not allowed to speak publicly or because the change is not yet final.

The change, which is expected later this summer, is part of an update of Justice Department policies known as the attorney general guidelines. They are being overhauled amid the FBI's transition from a traditional crime-fighting agency to one whose top mission is to protect America from terrorist attacks.

"We don't know what we don't know. And the object is to cut down on that," said one FBI official who defended the plans.

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Another official, while also defending the proposed guidelines, raised concerns about criticism during the presidential election year over what he called "the P word" _ profiling.

If adopted, the guidelines would be put in place in the final months of a presidential administration that has been dogged by criticism that its counterterror programs trample privacy rights and civil liberties.

Critics say the presumption of innocence is lost in the proposal. The FBI will be allowed to begin investigations simply "by assuming that everyone's a suspect, and then you weed out the innocent," said Caroline Fredrickson of the American Civil Liberties Union.

Attorney General Michael Mukasey acknowledged the overhaul was under way in early June, saying the guidelines sought to ensure regulations for FBI terror investigations don't conflict with ones governing criminal probes. He would not give any details.

"It's necessary to put in place regulations that will allow the FBI to transform itself ... into an intelligence gathering organization in addition to just a crime solving organization," Mukasey told reporters.

The changes would allow FBI agents to ask open-ended questions about activities of Muslim- or Arab-Americans, or investigate them if their jobs and backgrounds match trends that analysts deem suspect.

FBI agents would not be allowed to eavesdrop on phone calls or dig deeply into personal data _ such as the content of phone or e-mail records or bank statements _ until a full investigation was opened.

The guidelines focus on the FBI's domestic operations and run about 40 pages long, several officials said. They do not specifically spell out what traits the FBI should use in building profiles.

One senior Justice Department official said agents have been allowed since 2003 to build "threat assessments" of Americans based on public records and information from informants. Such assessments could be used to open a preliminary investigation, the official said.

However, another official said the 2003 authorities are limited, tightly monitored by FBI headquarters in Washington and, overall, confusing to agents about how or when they can be used.

Justice spokesman Brian Roehrkasse said the guidelines governing when to open a national security investigation are part of a "harmonizing" process that will not give the FBI any more authority than it already has. He declined further comment, but he and two other senior Justice officials, would not deny the changes as they were described to AP by others familiar with the guidelines.

"Any review and change to the guidelines will reflect our traditional concerns for civil liberties and First Amendment liberties and our traditional investigative emphasis on using the least intrusive means feasible," Roehrkasse said Wednesday.

Although the guidelines do not require congressional approval, House members recently sought to limit such profiling by rejecting an $11 million request for the FBI's security assessment center. Lawmakers wrote it that was unclear how the FBI could compile suspect profiles "in such a way as to avoid needless intrusions into the privacy of innocent citizens" and without wasting time and money chasing down false leads.

The denial of funding could limit the FBI's use of profiles, or "predictive models and patterns of behavior" as the government prefers to describe the data-mining results, but would not change the guidelines authorizing them. The guidelines would remain in effect until a new attorney general decided to change them.

Courts across the country have overturned criminal convictions when defendants showed they were targeted based on race. Racial profiling generally is considered a civil rights violation, and former Attorney General John Ashcroft condemned it in March 2001 as an "unconstitutional deprivation of equal protection under our Constitution."

President Bush also has condemned racial profiling as "wrong in America" and in a December 2001 interview had harsh words for an airline that refused to let one of his Secret Service agents board a commercial flight. The agent was Arab-American. "If he was treated that way because of his ethnicity, that will make me madder than heck," Bush said.

Immediately after 9/11, hundreds of Muslims and Arabs were detained, deported and monitored as the government urgently sought information that could prevent another attack. Despite efforts to repair and nurture relationships with those groups, Muslim- and Arab-Americans still complain of being singled out by federal security practices.

Martin Redish, a constitutional and civil rights scholar at Northwestern University School of Law, said courts are likely to give the FBI a lot of leeway in deciding how to open national security investigations.

"But it's a very fine line to be drawn when the basis of the investigation is dominated by the ethnic background of the subject," Redish said. "And when the investigation results in harassment, you have a serious constitutional concern."

Citing Unabomber Theodore Kaczynski and Oklahoma City bomber Timothy McVeigh _ two white Americans _ the ACLU's Fredrickson said: "Profiling has sent us in the wrong direction. ... I thought we learned our lesson in that regard."


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- SKEENGE I'm a Fan of SKEENGE 3 fans permalink

I can help identify one terrorist for them right now. His name is Luis Posada Carriles and he's kicking back in Miami with his cohorts and sponsors. He has bombed a commercial airline killing everyone aboard, bombed hotels and tortured people. He was trained at the infamous School of the Americas in Georgia and was the top marksman in his class. Oddly enough, he was in Dallas the day that JFK was killed(check it out for yourselves) and has warned the Bush administration that if he is deported he has major secrets to reveal. Just once I'd like to see one of these scumbags properly punished and, as an added treat, he can drag all of his murdering friends down with him. If we want to see even a glimmer of justice in this country we need to make some noise and shine a light on this terrorist.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:44 PM on 07/03/2008
- PACRAT I'm a Fan of PACRAT 2 fans permalink

Terrorist profile?

What does that look like? Bush? McCain? Obamma? Christ? Moses? Who?

Do potential terrorists have beards like Lincoln? Do they look like Nelson Mandella? Are there any more Nixon doppelgangers around?

Are we that stupid and insensitive - well, if one considers what we did to the Japanese Americans in WWII, I guess the answer is yes!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:35 PM on 07/03/2008

PACRAT, profiles have been developed for likely terrorists by people who have a very good understanding of who a terrorist is. All profiing is in essence, a process of elimination to the most likely candidates.

As to Japanes Americans that is a bankrupt analogy. Reams of documents are clear to the motivations of Franklin Roosevelt.

So PACRAT, how would you deal with the terrorist threat? Call the terrorist police and take a report?

Just a reminder terrorist types of today hate, absolutely hate what they call decadence in America, specifically gays and gay marriage. They (terrorists) would like to see those people dead,

So are you going to stand idly by why those people are targeted?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:14 PM on 07/03/2008
- Schnitzel I'm a Fan of Schnitzel 6 fans permalink

By their own criteria the morons in the DOJ would've mised Tim McVeigh, the Unibomber, and Eric Rudolph; some of the worst terrorists the US had had to deal with in the last 20 years. With the exception of Bin Laden's cronies most terrorist to strike inside the United States have been conservative white guys.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:21 PM on 07/03/2008
- AdLib I'm a Fan of AdLib 277 fans permalink
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Good point but part of this act is to keep this dynamic of "them" and "us" and the connected fear perpetuated.

Then again, with our government spying on all of us anyway, how far removed are all Americans from being in the same boat?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:33 PM on 07/03/2008

Yeah, but maybe they wouldn't have missed (and then denied) the Al Qaeda guys that McVeigh was working with and the connection between AQ and certain Neo-Nazi groups...a fact that has been kicked under the rug until this day.

Read the "Third Terrorist" by reporter Jayna Davis.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:38 PM on 07/03/2008
- HumeSkeptic I'm a Fan of HumeSkeptic 1680 fans permalink
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If you recall, their initial reaction after Oklahoma city bombing was to go after people of Middle Eastern origin at airports.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:08 PM on 07/03/2008

Out beyond ideas of wrongdoing and rightdoing there is a field. I will meet you there. -Rumi

Non-violent communication at cnvc.org

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:08 PM on 07/03/2008
- peacekitten I'm a Fan of peacekitten 670 fans permalink
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nice quote. rumi's wisdom is like a breath of fresh air.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:41 PM on 07/03/2008
- dentuso I'm a Fan of dentuso 427 fans permalink
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"Well... if we have to give them all trials, we're going to try them all."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:06 PM on 07/03/2008
- dentuso I'm a Fan of dentuso 427 fans permalink
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"In light of the fact that we've been doing it for six years, we have considered the idea of making it policy".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:04 PM on 07/03/2008
- Nochnoi I'm a Fan of Nochnoi 130 fans permalink
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So... If we post on this thread do we automatically get to be on the list?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:02 PM on 07/03/2008
- HumeSkeptic I'm a Fan of HumeSkeptic 1680 fans permalink
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No. Because they can't see your skin color. You are safe.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:40 PM on 07/03/2008
- Nochnoi I'm a Fan of Nochnoi 130 fans permalink
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Well, that is true... they can not see that I am very pale skinned... half German even..... but I do have a fondness for going to Dearborn for Lebanese food...... so maybe they might I am getting secret messages in my Kibee or Shish Tawook (sp)......

But once they finish with one group, they will come for the next one.... once it starts we all know it doesn't stop..... intellectuals, political sorts, artists, teachers.... etc.... etc

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:00 PM on 07/03/2008
- AdLib I'm a Fan of AdLib 277 fans permalink
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Did you know they now have technology to look back at you through your computer screen?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:51 PM on 07/03/2008
- missusam I'm a Fan of missusam 8 fans permalink
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Cable boxes too

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:01 PM on 07/03/2008
- Nochnoi I'm a Fan of Nochnoi 130 fans permalink
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Oh my.... and my hair is still dripping wet from showering.... how positively embarrassing....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:23 PM on 07/03/2008
- Strain I'm a Fan of Strain 4 fans permalink

More than likely. And guess who doesn't care! I can speak out when and where on what I want. At leaset for now.

It's unconstitutional!! PERIOD! How many of our constitutional rights to do we have to lose before we figure out that Bush (and some before) are deliberately "scaring" us? If there are terrorists among us and they do us harm, we'll beat the crap outta 'em. I refuse to hide under my bed or in the closet. I WILL go where I want and when I want. If I get shot, bombed, beat up...whatever, I'll handle it. It's time that WE THE PEOPLE took back our lives and country. We have to quit relying on the "government" to take care of us. That's our own job. Nobody elses. If we continue to allow the government to "take care of us", then we get what we ask for. And that looks like totalitaianism to me.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:27 PM on 07/03/2008
- RaraAvis17 I'm a Fan of RaraAvis17 7 fans permalink

Well the largest group of terrorists this country has seen have come out of the White House. I'm guessing they will start there?

This video will explain a lot about what I am talking about.

http://www.videocommunity.com/pc/pc/display/7167

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:58 PM on 07/03/2008

More bs for the unwary. It says race could be considered along with other factors. What's not to like? Does not say could impact somebody just because of race. Anyway, don't fret -- Obama can revoke this on day one of his presidency, if he's ready.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:58 PM on 07/03/2008
- Beelzebul I'm a Fan of Beelzebul 65 fans permalink
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No attacks on homeland soil since 9-11.

Nuff said.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:55 PM on 07/03/2008
- blueshield I'm a Fan of blueshield 87 fans permalink

Only two islamic attacks on US soil ever.

Run, run, the terrorists are coming, the terrorists are coming!

Surrender monkeys with flag pins.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:01 PM on 07/03/2008
- NABNYC I'm a Fan of NABNYC 99 fans permalink

The people of this country who had the revolution did not want to overthrow English rule only to be subject to federal government rule. They narrowly drafted the constitution to make clear that the federal government's authority is extremely limited. The 4th amendment affirms that the right of the people to be free in their homes and in their persons from unreasonable searches and seizures shall not be violated. The citizens have an absolute right to be free from intrusion by the government. The exception is if the government has evidence of "probable cause" that a crime has been committed, and the person being searched was involved, in which case they can get a warrant.

Everything the federal government is doing is a constitutional violation. The problem isn't whether they use race of ethnicity as grounds to begin conducting searches and seizures (wiretaps, grabbing e-mails and other records). The problem is that they would use anything to justify spying on Americans other than as specifically limited in the constitution. They need evidence of probable cause that a crime was committed, and the person being searched was involved or has evidence of that crime. Anything else is unacceptable.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:53 PM on 07/03/2008
- blueshield I'm a Fan of blueshield 87 fans permalink

Thanks NABNYC for succinctly pointing out the issue. Bin Laden and a few thousand criminals have scared America into giving up its own Constitutional protection. They have won.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:03 PM on 07/03/2008
- missusam I'm a Fan of missusam 8 fans permalink
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I fail to understand why Bin Laden gets the credit for this. It has been this administration that beats this "terrorist" drum continuely. It is a continual brainwash.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:26 PM on 07/03/2008
- darthdarcy I'm a Fan of darthdarcy 48 fans permalink
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The new FISA Bill eviscerates the 4th Amendment, didn't you get the memo..?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:37 PM on 07/03/2008
- 3Gs I'm a Fan of 3Gs permalink

One problem with the whole 'probable cause' that a crime has been committed idea. Terrorists plot to commit the crimes, or carry them out immediately on orders from their field commanders. How else are we going to get a handle on these guys if we don't profile the group we know are likely terrorists? If I were a muslim and had nothing to hide, this would not concern me. I say ensure proper oversight, and go for it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:56 PM on 07/03/2008
- qdog112 I'm a Fan of qdog112 74 fans permalink
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Tribalism DOG WHISPER for the election?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:52 PM on 07/03/2008
- LeonBNJ I'm a Fan of LeonBNJ 24 fans permalink

The reality is that most of the general American public - that is white, Christian, and never travels outside the USA - will accept this new policy. They don't see themselves as terrorists only the stereotype of someone of middle-eastern appearance and a believer of Islam and figure this will reduce the hassles at airports for them. We know that it will mean a lot of bad leads followed, a lot of legitment people hassled. It won't work either with the new representitives of terror or to deal with non-Isalmic based, domestic terrorists.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:45 PM on 07/03/2008
- elbzee I'm a Fan of elbzee 22 fans permalink
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This will end up exactly as well as those trrstts at gitmo. The methods and bounties and accusations worked wonders. Notice that every one of them is guilty as hell. (Well, um, sorta, um, kinda, but um, not absolutely, but yeah, we say they are.) We are cooked folks. It's over. No more constitution.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:13 PM on 07/03/2008
- 3Gs I'm a Fan of 3Gs permalink

Wrong. Most of the Gimo guys were turned in by oppurtunists looking for a cash reward. This will be conducted by a group of professionals hopefully committed to ensuring our safety. Big difference.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:59 PM on 07/03/2008

I recommend anyone of non-Arab descent who look Arab, including dark-haired white folks stop travelling alone and start travelling with a witness. This will affect everyone, even white people.

Of course, we COULD revert to social justice and use mandatory technology to search everyone equally. But no, that would be, effective? Not this administrations strong point, and a tad bit expensive considering how wasteful this administration has been supporting losing policies with unlimited financial backing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:36 PM on 07/03/2008
- peacekitten I'm a Fan of peacekitten 670 fans permalink
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the 14th amendment charges the state with the duty of providing EQUAL protection to ALL of the citizens within its jurisdiction. EQUAL protection. which mean they can't "profile" somebody they don't like the looks or religion of, just because they don't care for their looks or religion.

the presumption of innocence until proven guilty is largely held to be provided for by the 5th, 6th and 14th amendments.

it is also a practice that is held to be so universal that it is taken for granted. our own interpretation of it is based on english law as set forth by the 1215 version of the magna carta.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:03 PM on 07/03/2008
- Sarahjan I'm a Fan of Sarahjan 6 fans permalink

BlackJAC

smart post!

See the following texts to see historic relation between the levels of skin 'Pigmentation' and race and how people sought to change the colour of their skin and bodily features in order to pass for white.

Note, now there are powerful hair/skin/teeth whitening biotechnologies. Now add that to smart plastic surgerical changes in order to remove specific 'ethnic features' and there you have it: an ideal looking white person or at least white enough to pass for white.

See following texts:

Sader L.Gilman. Making the Body Beautiful: A Cultural History of Aesthetic Surgery.

Amina Mire' Pigmentation and Empire: The Emerging Skin-Whitening Industry

http://www.counterpunch.org/mire07282005.html

Sara Ahmed's Animated Borders: Skin, Colour and Tanning!


I am deeply sadden to see what is happening to the United States.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:44 PM on 07/03/2008
- RobtBrock I'm a Fan of RobtBrock 6 fans permalink

If any ot those guys look Irish it is a safe bet that they are thieves.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:44 PM on 07/03/2008
- Deeg I'm a Fan of Deeg permalink

And drunk?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:58 PM on 07/03/2008
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