Justice Department Considers Racial Profiling For Terror Prevention

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First Posted: 07- 3-08 08:28 AM   |   Updated: 07-11-08 05:12 AM

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The Justice Department is considering letting the FBI investigate Americans without any evidence of wrongdoing, relying instead on a terrorist profile that could single out Muslims, Arabs or other racial and ethnic groups.

Law enforcement officials say the proposed policy would help them do exactly what Congress demanded after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks: root out terrorists before they strike.

Although President Bush has disavowed targeting suspects based on their race or ethnicity, the new rules would allow the FBI to consider those factors among a number of traits that could trigger a national security investigation.

Currently, FBI agents need specific reasons _ like evidence or allegations that a law probably has been violated _ to investigate U.S. citizens and legal residents. The new policy, law enforcement officials told The Associated Press, would let agents open preliminary terrorism investigations after mining public records and intelligence to build a profile of traits that, taken together, were deemed suspicious.

Among the factors that could make someone subject of an investigation is travel to regions of the world known for terrorist activity, access to weapons or military training, along with the person's race or ethnicity.

More than a half-dozen senior FBI, Justice Department and other U.S. intelligence officials familiar with the new policy agreed to discuss it only on condition of anonymity, either because they were not allowed to speak publicly or because the change is not yet final.

The change, which is expected later this summer, is part of an update of Justice Department policies known as the attorney general guidelines. They are being overhauled amid the FBI's transition from a traditional crime-fighting agency to one whose top mission is to protect America from terrorist attacks.

"We don't know what we don't know. And the object is to cut down on that," said one FBI official who defended the plans.

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Another official, while also defending the proposed guidelines, raised concerns about criticism during the presidential election year over what he called "the P word" _ profiling.

If adopted, the guidelines would be put in place in the final months of a presidential administration that has been dogged by criticism that its counterterror programs trample privacy rights and civil liberties.

Critics say the presumption of innocence is lost in the proposal. The FBI will be allowed to begin investigations simply "by assuming that everyone's a suspect, and then you weed out the innocent," said Caroline Fredrickson of the American Civil Liberties Union.

Attorney General Michael Mukasey acknowledged the overhaul was under way in early June, saying the guidelines sought to ensure regulations for FBI terror investigations don't conflict with ones governing criminal probes. He would not give any details.

"It's necessary to put in place regulations that will allow the FBI to transform itself ... into an intelligence gathering organization in addition to just a crime solving organization," Mukasey told reporters.

The changes would allow FBI agents to ask open-ended questions about activities of Muslim- or Arab-Americans, or investigate them if their jobs and backgrounds match trends that analysts deem suspect.

FBI agents would not be allowed to eavesdrop on phone calls or dig deeply into personal data _ such as the content of phone or e-mail records or bank statements _ until a full investigation was opened.

The guidelines focus on the FBI's domestic operations and run about 40 pages long, several officials said. They do not specifically spell out what traits the FBI should use in building profiles.

One senior Justice Department official said agents have been allowed since 2003 to build "threat assessments" of Americans based on public records and information from informants. Such assessments could be used to open a preliminary investigation, the official said.

However, another official said the 2003 authorities are limited, tightly monitored by FBI headquarters in Washington and, overall, confusing to agents about how or when they can be used.

Justice spokesman Brian Roehrkasse said the guidelines governing when to open a national security investigation are part of a "harmonizing" process that will not give the FBI any more authority than it already has. He declined further comment, but he and two other senior Justice officials, would not deny the changes as they were described to AP by others familiar with the guidelines.

"Any review and change to the guidelines will reflect our traditional concerns for civil liberties and First Amendment liberties and our traditional investigative emphasis on using the least intrusive means feasible," Roehrkasse said Wednesday.

Although the guidelines do not require congressional approval, House members recently sought to limit such profiling by rejecting an $11 million request for the FBI's security assessment center. Lawmakers wrote it that was unclear how the FBI could compile suspect profiles "in such a way as to avoid needless intrusions into the privacy of innocent citizens" and without wasting time and money chasing down false leads.

The denial of funding could limit the FBI's use of profiles, or "predictive models and patterns of behavior" as the government prefers to describe the data-mining results, but would not change the guidelines authorizing them. The guidelines would remain in effect until a new attorney general decided to change them.

Courts across the country have overturned criminal convictions when defendants showed they were targeted based on race. Racial profiling generally is considered a civil rights violation, and former Attorney General John Ashcroft condemned it in March 2001 as an "unconstitutional deprivation of equal protection under our Constitution."

President Bush also has condemned racial profiling as "wrong in America" and in a December 2001 interview had harsh words for an airline that refused to let one of his Secret Service agents board a commercial flight. The agent was Arab-American. "If he was treated that way because of his ethnicity, that will make me madder than heck," Bush said.

Immediately after 9/11, hundreds of Muslims and Arabs were detained, deported and monitored as the government urgently sought information that could prevent another attack. Despite efforts to repair and nurture relationships with those groups, Muslim- and Arab-Americans still complain of being singled out by federal security practices.

Martin Redish, a constitutional and civil rights scholar at Northwestern University School of Law, said courts are likely to give the FBI a lot of leeway in deciding how to open national security investigations.

"But it's a very fine line to be drawn when the basis of the investigation is dominated by the ethnic background of the subject," Redish said. "And when the investigation results in harassment, you have a serious constitutional concern."

Citing Unabomber Theodore Kaczynski and Oklahoma City bomber Timothy McVeigh _ two white Americans _ the ACLU's Fredrickson said: "Profiling has sent us in the wrong direction. ... I thought we learned our lesson in that regard."


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- HumeSkeptic I'm a Fan of HumeSkeptic 1646 fans permalink
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Had we taken a state in India and called it Israel, and forced the natives out of their homes, and had we replaced some of their governors with kings and dictators handpicked by us, and waged wars on them for their natural resources, I bet that all present day terrorists would be Indian.

And we would now be profiling all Indian-Americans.

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:52 AM on 07/03/2008
- ChiGuy I'm a Fan of ChiGuy 341 fans permalink
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Give 'em time.
With the way things are going in Pakistan, only Asians and lily-white Caucasians will be safe from profiling.
(And I expect that they're working on reasons to profile them as well.)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:04 PM on 07/03/2008
- BronxBorn I'm a Fan of BronxBorn 56 fans permalink
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Then my wife and I will be fine.
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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:25 PM on 07/03/2008
- maxdenn I'm a Fan of maxdenn 163 fans permalink

Very good.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:04 PM on 07/03/2008
- Ramirez I'm a Fan of Ramirez 289 fans permalink
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Nah. Charlie don't surf, and Hindus don't jihad.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:14 PM on 07/03/2008
- HumeSkeptic I'm a Fan of HumeSkeptic 1646 fans permalink
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Go read about Indian insurgency in 1857. Then go read about S.C. Bose's activities in 1940's. Then go get educated at the Tamil situation in India and Sri Lanka.

After you are done reading all that, come and sit at the back of the class and you would be allowed to learn some more.

Ignorance is fine when yoy are among your fellow dittoheads, Ramirez. It is ridiculed outside of your little world.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:46 PM on 07/03/2008
- Deeg I'm a Fan of Deeg permalink

I'm not excusing any murderous actions taken by either side, but let's be honest. If the same was done to us and we were literally powerless to stop it, we'd result to guerrilla war and terrorism. I know you see things as black and white (pun intended), but you really should open up your mind a bit.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:52 PM on 07/03/2008

"Hindus don't jihad"

So Gandhi advocated for peaceful civil disobedience because there weren't violent rebellions during British rule of India?There aren't violent nationalists in India still?

A better statement to make would be, where is the Arab Gandhi?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:16 PM on 07/03/2008
- Soule23 I'm a Fan of Soule23 2 fans permalink

Think about what would have happened if we had put Israel in the rural south: we would now be profiling Republicans

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:36 PM on 07/03/2008
- AdLib I'm a Fan of AdLib 277 fans permalink
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Hume, who I like, has mistakenly simplified and confused things in order to make a point.

Al Qaeda didn't attack the Twin Towers because of Israel, Bin Laden had a dual motivation, driving out the U.S. from the Middle East due to its support of the Kings/Dictators such as the Saudis, military presence in the region and yes, also its support of Israel (but plenty of terrorist groups resent the US for supporting Israel).

However, a second and just as critical reason is Bin Laden's monomaniacal dream of the rise of an Arab world power theocracy that would dominate the rest of the world and enforce its religious beliefs on all.

Lastly, as has been the U.S.'s unfortunate raclst history, as with the Japanese internment camps, the knee-jerk prejudice against those who simply look like or are from the same region as unrelated individuals who did something terrible dominates reason and equality.

It is disgusting that OUR America can, under BOOsh's simple directive to the FBI, change the nation's legal groundings to say that people are suspected as being guilty until proven to be innocent...based upon the color of their skin or where they or their parents were born.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:30 PM on 07/03/2008
- AdLib I'm a Fan of AdLib 277 fans permalink
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Er, a little confused. "We" took a state and called it "Israel"? Unlike how Israel was really established?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:42 PM on 07/03/2008
- HumeSkeptic I'm a Fan of HumeSkeptic 1646 fans permalink
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Fine. But that's not the point of the post.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:00 PM on 07/03/2008
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NOBODY "forced the natives out of their homes"....

NOBODY "replaced some of their governors with kings and dictators handpicked by us"....

NOBODY "waged wars on them for their natural resources"....

Your point?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:11 PM on 07/03/2008

iS asbout time they allow.this. this. EVER BODY NOWS it is them Iraqui bombers who is cause poblems. I mean 19 of them nocked down the Tin Towers in 20001. Not ONE white peson has EVER DONE>THI>S

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:46 AM on 07/03/2008
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LOL!!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:58 AM on 07/03/2008

Of course!

Haven't you ever noticed that all angels are white, while no demons are?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:59 AM on 07/03/2008
- ann1 I'm a Fan of ann1 12 fans permalink

Because we all know demons are dark and bad.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:16 PM on 07/03/2008
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Cowboy hat color is the only accurate indicator of good or bad intent.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:26 PM on 07/03/2008

No, they just bomb federal buildings in Oklahoma.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:03 PM on 07/03/2008
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LOL You forgot about Corey Lidle.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:12 PM on 07/03/2008
- Forsetti I'm a Fan of Forsetti 69 fans permalink
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"Is about time they allow this, EVERYBODY KNOWS it is them Iraqi bombers who is causing problems" (spelling corrections added, but not grammtical corrections)

First, most of the 9/11 terrorists were not Iraqis but Saudis, I am sure you don't think or know there is a difference but there is.
Second, if you mean that the current terrorist bombings in Iraq are the result of Iraqis you would once again be wrong. Many are the responsibility of Al-Queda who are not specifically or mostly Iraqi.

"Not ONE white person has EVER DONE THIS."

Done what? Knocked down the Twin Towers? If this is your claim it is true but true by definition. Since there were only two Twin Towers and they were only knocked down once, it follows that the people resonsible were the ones who did it and no one else has (since they don't exist it cannot happen again). If you mean that not one white person has ever committed a terrorist act whether here or abroad, then this is factually not true (Oklahoma City for example).

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:12 PM on 07/03/2008
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You might want to check the batteries on your humor meter.

It doesn't seem to be working for you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:22 PM on 07/03/2008
- Beelzebul I'm a Fan of Beelzebul 62 fans permalink
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As the father of our country, it's the duty of the president to keep us all safe from evildoers. The president is a father to all of us. It's his job to keep all his children safe. Thank you, Mr. GWB for doing your job well.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:46 AM on 07/03/2008
- ann1 I'm a Fan of ann1 12 fans permalink

He's the "DECIDER".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:57 AM on 07/03/2008
- HumeSkeptic I'm a Fan of HumeSkeptic 1646 fans permalink
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Is that why H!llary couldn't become President?

Hey! Come to think of it, we'll soon have a Black father.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:59 AM on 07/03/2008
- peacekitten I'm a Fan of peacekitten 643 fans permalink
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and i can hardly wait! i just wish we didn't have to wait until november to vote.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:16 PM on 07/03/2008
- Meggie I'm a Fan of Meggie 100 fans permalink
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America's new black friend!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:14 PM on 07/03/2008

I'm sure he appreciates your appreciation.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:00 PM on 07/03/2008
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& I appreciate your appreciation of his appreciation.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:13 PM on 07/03/2008

This is post is for comedic effect.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:01 PM on 07/03/2008
- Gordon I'm a Fan of Gordon 29 fans permalink
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Finally someone who gets it!

Happy 4th mighty patriot~!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:07 PM on 07/03/2008
- msmaggie I'm a Fan of msmaggie 10 fans permalink

This is not racial profiling, it's religious and/or ethnic profiling.

Nonetheless, it's the worst possible abuse of power. Go figure, huh?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:45 AM on 07/03/2008
- Ramirez I'm a Fan of Ramirez 289 fans permalink
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A worse abuse of power would be having sweeps and locking people up.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:58 AM on 07/03/2008
- qdog112 I'm a Fan of qdog112 71 fans permalink
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And that won't happen - BECAUSE?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:08 PM on 07/03/2008
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Don't think for a minute that's not on the Booosh agenda.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:10 PM on 07/03/2008
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Sweeps are usually in February.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:16 PM on 07/03/2008
- Soule23 I'm a Fan of Soule23 2 fans permalink

They do it, they just aren't doing it to everybody. If your last name is Ramirez, I would watch my step with this administration

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:39 PM on 07/03/2008
- Deeg I'm a Fan of Deeg permalink

It's not as bad as pure fascism, so it's ok?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:56 PM on 07/03/2008

Suspect No. 255743

Muslim connection: Yes - Kenyan Father. Personal religion unclear, possibly covert Muslim. Middle name "Hussein"

Traveled to Terrorist Countries: Yes - Studied in Indonesia (madrassa?)

Skin Color: Black

Past jobs: "Community organizer" in Chicago, hotbed for radical activity

Terrorist: Likely

Name: Barack Obama

Looks like the FBI is doing a heckuva job

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:44 AM on 07/03/2008
- PuppaX I'm a Fan of PuppaX 7 fans permalink
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Lol...well done.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:04 PM on 07/03/2008
- FanofPaine I'm a Fan of FanofPaine 12 fans permalink

Hmm, wonder how it will feel to be you in this country when said "terrorist" becomes president.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:43 PM on 07/03/2008
- naschkatze I'm a Fan of naschkatze 101 fans permalink

Thank you, Schumer and Feinstein once again for sponsoring Mukasey for AG!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:43 AM on 07/03/2008
- DonKrieger I'm a Fan of DonKrieger 3 fans permalink
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Rock the Vote:

This policy apparently goes into effect shortly before the election. Within a week, the FBI will announce that they have captured a high profile terrorist using the policy. This will impact the emphasis on the electorate towards terrorism for a short period and influence the vote.

After the election, someone will reveal that the terrorist was under arrest prior to July 4, 2008. Remember the 2004 election?

Don

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:43 AM on 07/03/2008
- qdog112 I'm a Fan of qdog112 71 fans permalink
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The likely scenario.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:01 PM on 07/03/2008
- ann1 I'm a Fan of ann1 12 fans permalink

Good idea......look at Nelson Mandela, who would've thought he'd be such a threat!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:42 AM on 07/03/2008
- CaseyBabes I'm a Fan of CaseyBabes 25 fans permalink
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Guess ya'd have to consider the people he and his group killed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:53 PM on 07/03/2008
- maxdenn I'm a Fan of maxdenn 163 fans permalink

Racial profiling is wrong. And it is sinful.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:37 AM on 07/03/2008

And effective.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:45 AM on 07/03/2008
- peacekitten I'm a Fan of peacekitten 643 fans permalink
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and illegal.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:55 AM on 07/03/2008
- BabsfromKS I'm a Fan of BabsfromKS 14 fans permalink
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WTF? How can you even support that statement?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:56 AM on 07/03/2008
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PROVE it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:01 PM on 07/03/2008
- qdog112 I'm a Fan of qdog112 71 fans permalink
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Effectively destroying my country.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:03 PM on 07/03/2008
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I must agree with SweetSydney: racial profiling IS highly effective -- provided that the goal is to divide people along racial/ethnic/religious lines, worsen our standing in the world further still, cede whatever moral high ground we might still occupy, and eviscerate what remains of the US Constitution. Highly effective, indeed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:04 PM on 07/03/2008
- BabsfromKS I'm a Fan of BabsfromKS 14 fans permalink
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and unConstitutional !!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:47 AM on 07/03/2008
- postedby I'm a Fan of postedby 5 fans permalink

Why?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:59 AM on 07/03/2008
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It's against the law.

It's morally indefensible.

It's ethically repellent.

So of course Republicans are in favor of it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:13 PM on 07/03/2008
- BabsfromKS I'm a Fan of BabsfromKS 14 fans permalink
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Uh.. the 4th and 14th Amendments!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:13 PM on 07/03/2008
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One time, a lily-white music critic asked Louis Armstrong to tell him what "Jazz" was...

He replied, "Man, if you gotta ask, you'll never know".

OK?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:20 PM on 07/03/2008
- semorg I'm a Fan of semorg 7 fans permalink

Is Michael Mukasey going to profile Jews for spying. Since the most egregious spying act against US has been done by the Jews, it's only fair that they get profile in all spying cases.

From giving away the Atom bomb to USSR , to very sensitive intel operation that pollard gave to Israel which they gave to Russia, to the most recent spying against Pentagon. It's been done by the Jews. So, why not profile them too?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:36 AM on 07/03/2008
- BabsfromKS I'm a Fan of BabsfromKS 14 fans permalink
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Sure ...start making a list

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:49 AM on 07/03/2008
- GZLives I'm a Fan of GZLives 46 fans permalink

And what about all those suicide bombing Jews,
and Jihadi Jews,
and IED planting Jews
and they control the banks,
the media and they were behind 9/11
and they control the Government
and they are behind the neocons,
the Zionists,
the Mossad -
the floods in the midwest,
the fires in California
they poison the wells,
they sent the locusts and killed the first born of the Egyptians,
they land grabbed,
they do apartheid,
ethnic cleanings ...
and they have big long noses and are cheap and you can never trust 'em...
oh yeah and they're all landlords in black ghettos and charge usurious interest rates.

Any other of the idiotic stereotypes that I've missed, I'm sure will be mentioned on this thread in due time

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:04 PM on 07/03/2008
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You forgot those Comic Jews, as a majority of comedians are Jewish...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:36 PM on 07/03/2008

I am pretty sure they do profile Jews in case of spying. Same as the profile white maes in case of serial killers, Same as they should use profiling in case of terrorism.

Remember "racial profiling" does not mean that race/ethnicity is a SOLE reason but only that race/ethnicity is included a a factor

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:56 PM on 07/03/2008

Wow. This is starting to remind me a great deal of the Japanese internment camps during WWII.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:34 AM on 07/03/2008
- Ramirez I'm a Fan of Ramirez 289 fans permalink
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Yeah. It's just like that only without the world war, the internment camps, and the Japanese.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:47 AM on 07/03/2008
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"Global" war on terror.

GITMO.

... you're right about the Japanese.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:01 PM on 07/03/2008

Except that there is a war and there is Guantanamo bay.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:06 PM on 07/03/2008
- doofmann02 I'm a Fan of doofmann02 2 fans permalink

I keep thinking of George Carlin pointing that out about "rights" and if they exist outside our heads or not: Just remember the Japanese internment camps.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:12 PM on 07/03/2008

Well they did make my 84 year old white mother take off her shoes and inspect her shoes too make sure she wasn't a shoe bomber at the airport.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:33 AM on 07/03/2008
- ChiGuy I'm a Fan of ChiGuy 341 fans permalink
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Clearly, she appeared to have an agenda.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:39 AM on 07/03/2008
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& it was leaking all over the place.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:52 AM on 07/03/2008
- peacekitten I'm a Fan of peacekitten 643 fans permalink
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they searched my blind CAT and x-rayed my purse, containing an eight inch utility knife i had forgotten about, then handed it all back to me. i felt SOOOO safe afterwards, and relieved to know my poor little cat wasn't a turrist. but then again, she just might be a furrist.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:49 AM on 07/03/2008
- BabsfromKS I'm a Fan of BabsfromKS 14 fans permalink
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Well i used to stick my cigarette lighter in my bra and once NOT CAUGHT ONCE! TaDA!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:50 AM on 07/03/2008
- Ramirez I'm a Fan of Ramirez 289 fans permalink
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Maybe they wondered who gave her the shoes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:50 AM on 07/03/2008
- HumeSkeptic I'm a Fan of HumeSkeptic 1646 fans permalink
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She might have bought the shoes from a dark skinned guy, which itself would be unpatriotic.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:02 PM on 07/03/2008
- Fightnmad I'm a Fan of Fightnmad 43 fans permalink
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Same thing happened in the courthouse about a year ago! And because there were no chairs to sit upon, she walked in her nylons down the hall to pay her traffic fine! I offered my assistance, but she said she preferred to make a statement of how low America has sunk.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:56 AM on 07/03/2008
- blueshield I'm a Fan of blueshield 87 fans permalink

Foreign terrorists (we won't count Kascynski, McVeigh, Nichols or our other homegrown terrorists) have caused less than 6,000 deaths in the United States in the past thirty years.

In the same period American drivers killed about 1.5 million, and maimed and injured many millions more.

In the same period, Americans with guns killed about 900,000, and maimed and injured about 9,000,000.

People petrified of dying at the hands of Islamic extremists should get themselves checked for extreme phobia. Terrorists WIN when they cause us to abandon our way of life and principles out of fear. The Justice Department is congratulating a few thousand terrorists for a job incredibly well done. Thank your White House for the propaganda coup.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:33 AM on 07/03/2008
- ChrisR I'm a Fan of ChrisR 4 fans permalink

You're actually comparing people who can't drive with someone who may smuggle in a nuclear or biological weapon? I don't think I'll listen to you, Heidi. Others here have better points. Personally, I think the idea of "profiling" as being some kind of "evil" is ridiculous - people "profile" every minute of every day. It's human nature, and to deny it is a joke you're playing on yourself. The goal is to try to rise above it, but it is still a human instinct which usually pans out. In fact, I bet you're profiling ME right now, just like I profiled you as a wuss (but I could be wrong, and that's what I always try to remember). So until there is the inevitable Islamic Reformation which states once and for all that killing innocent people is against the will of Allah and will NOT result in paradise or praise, then profile away! Dogmatic religion, once again, is the real problem.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:24 PM on 07/03/2008
- blueshield I'm a Fan of blueshield 87 fans permalink

Simple logic: which is more likely to kill your family, a US driver or gun owner, or a terrorist? You can do the math, right?

The US has suffered two (count them) terrorist attacks by Islamic extremists on our soil. What was their purpose? To SCARE idiots into believing they were actually a threat to our nation, our lives, our way of life. Terrorism, right?

You and the other cowards are living proof they succeeded. Bin Laden is proud of you for doing his bidding. He and a few thosand criminals have the US with its tail between its legs, running for cover, seeing ghosts under every rock

If you're actually worried about Americans dying, do something about guns and cars - those are the threats that will take out you and your family.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:42 PM on 07/03/2008
- maxdenn I'm a Fan of maxdenn 163 fans permalink

Remember when President George Bush the first, referred to his son's, Jeb's children, as "the little brown ones"?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:31 AM on 07/03/2008
- ann1 I'm a Fan of ann1 12 fans permalink

So that's where GWB gets his wit and charm.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:03 PM on 07/03/2008
- in4success I'm a Fan of in4success 44 fans permalink

next will be library records and political affiliation.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:28 AM on 07/03/2008
- peacekitten I'm a Fan of peacekitten 643 fans permalink
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been there, done that already.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:03 PM on 07/03/2008
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