YouTube Ordered To Give Viacom Its User Data... Data Can Only Be Used For Proving Piracy

ANICK JESDANUN | July 3, 2008 03:57 PM EST | AP

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NEW YORK — Dismissing privacy concerns, a federal judge overseeing a $1 billion copyright-infringement lawsuit against YouTube has ordered the popular online video-sharing service to disclose who watches which video clips and when.

U.S. District Judge Louis L. Stanton authorized full access to the YouTube logs after Viacom Inc. and other copyright holders argued that they needed the data to show whether their copyright-protected videos are more heavily watched than amateur clips.

The data would not be publicly released but disclosed only to the plaintiffs, and it would include less specific identifiers than a user's real name or e-mail address.

Lawyers for Google Inc., which owns YouTube, said producing 12 terabytes of data _ equivalent to the text of roughly 12 million books _ would be expensive, time-consuming and a threat to users' privacy.

The database includes information on when each video gets played, which can be used to determine how often a clip is viewed. Attached to each entry is each viewer's unique login ID and the Internet Protocol, or IP, address for that viewer's computer.

Stanton ruled this week that the plaintiffs had a legitimate need for the information and that the privacy concerns are speculative.

Stanton rejected a request from the plaintiffs for Google to disclose the source code _ the technical secret sauce _ powering its market-leading search engine, saying there's no evidence Google manipulated its search algorithms to treat copyright-infringing videos differently.

The court has yet to rule on Google's requests to question comedians Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert of Viacom's Comedy Central.

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Viacom is seeking at least $1 billion in damages from Google, saying YouTube has built a business by using the Internet to "willfully infringe" copyrights on Viacom shows, which include Comedy Central's "The Daily Show with Jon Stewart" and Nickelodeon's "SpongeBob SquarePants" cartoon.

The lawsuit was combined with a similar case filed by a British soccer league and other parties.

Together, the plaintiffs are trying to prove that YouTube has known of copyright infringement and can do more to stop it, a finding that could dissolve the immunity protections that service providers have when they merely host content submitted by their users.

Though Google said giving the plaintiffs access to YouTube viewer data would threaten users' privacy, Stanton referred to Google's own blog entry in which the company argued that the IP address alone cannot identify a specific individual.

In a statement, Google said it was "disappointed the court granted Viacom's overreaching demand for viewing history. We are asking Viacom to respect users' privacy and allow us to anonymize the logs before producing them under the court's order."

Google did not say whether it would appeal the ruling or seek to narrow it.

Stanton's ruling made only passing reference to a 1988 federal law barring the disclosure of specific video materials that subscribers request or obtain.

Kurt Opsahl, a senior staff attorney with the Electronic Frontier Foundation, said Stanton should have considered that law along with constitutional free-speech rights, including a right to read or view materials anonymously.

He said a user's ID can sometimes include identifying information such as a first initial and last name.

Viacom said it isn't seeking any user's identity. The company said any data provided "will be used exclusively for the purpose of proving our case against YouTube and Google (and) will be handled subject to a court protective order and in a highly confidential manner."

This is not the first time Google has fought the disclosure of user information it had been stockpiling. While gathering evidence for a case involving online pornography, the U.S. Justice Department subpoenaed Google and other search engines for lists of search requests made by their users.

After Google resisted, a federal judge ruled that Google was obliged to turn over only a sample of Web addresses in its search index, not the actual search terms requested.

NEW YORK — Dismissing privacy concerns, a federal judge overseeing a $1 billion copyright-infringement lawsuit against YouTube has ordered the popular online video-sharing service to disclose wh...
NEW YORK — Dismissing privacy concerns, a federal judge overseeing a $1 billion copyright-infringement lawsuit against YouTube has ordered the popular online video-sharing service to disclose wh...
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- 4real I'm a Fan of 4real 30 fans permalink
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trying to keep people in the dark. file a lawsuit to try to shut down a site where people can get information that the media hides.

it's all about control.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:33 PM on 07/07/2008
- Blurp I'm a Fan of Blurp 11 fans permalink
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You vill give us ze papers!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:06 PM on 07/06/2008
- paulbikes I'm a Fan of paulbikes 8 fans permalink

Iv'e got my fingers crossed

1984, 1984, 1984, 1984!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:59 AM on 07/06/2008
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And furthermore, if Youtube goes down Dailymotion, and numerous other sites are just going to spring up.

Suprnova's death didn't kill bitorrenting, and Piratebay is still spitting in the faces of all the media conglomerates.

This is the ground-up socialist network fools, we share EVERYTHING.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:28 PM on 07/05/2008
- paulbikes I'm a Fan of paulbikes 8 fans permalink

Long live the bay of pirates.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:59 AM on 07/06/2008
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lol

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:50 AM on 07/07/2008

Print the logs out and hand them over on paper.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:20 PM on 07/05/2008

I stumbled across some videos on youtube of people shooting animals.
Very disappointing that they would host those videos.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:20 AM on 07/05/2008

Flag and report every time.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:14 AM on 07/05/2008
- mediamarv I'm a Fan of mediamarv 38 fans permalink
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If ever there was a judge, clueless beyong belief, who believes that the Internets is a series of tubes, this guy is the one. He graduated from law school in 55. Before 4 tracks, 8 tracks , cassettes et al.
Some guy who posted on Daily Kos suggested he have one of his young staffers explain how this is an impossible judgement.
Of course it will be appealed and a circuit appeals court (typically younger and smarter) will toss the suit.
Viacom is ruled by greed, blinded it by it as a matter of fact.
Can you say, "the horse has left the barn" boys and girls????

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:29 PM on 07/04/2008

I don't understand needing accounts on some sites. YouTube being one of them. Why do I need a account to watch videos? I don't trust those guys.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:26 PM on 07/04/2008

You only need an account to post videos or to comment on videos not to view them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:36 PM on 07/04/2008
- in4success I'm a Fan of in4success 45 fans permalink

note to youtunbe: APPEAL DAMNIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! DO ANYTHING YOU CAN TO DELAY DELAY DELAY!!!!!!!

end note.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:06 PM on 07/04/2008
- Vinca I'm a Fan of Vinca 6 fans permalink

To in4success: I sure HOPE YOUTUBE WINS< I LOVE YOUTUBE< WHERE ELSE CAN YOU SEE BUSH VIDEOS LIKE THEY HAVE ON THERE

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:30 PM on 07/04/2008
- Wickywoo I'm a Fan of Wickywoo 5 fans permalink

Honestly, the stated goal is probably the real one: To prove that YouTube is nothing more than a clearinghouse for copyright violation

For every "ow my balls" video, there's a hundred clips from TV or movies

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:31 PM on 07/04/2008
- in4success I'm a Fan of in4success 45 fans permalink

nope . . . it's about controlling the message.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:09 PM on 07/04/2008
- thedirtman I'm a Fan of thedirtman 18 fans permalink
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Is it me, or is this reality?... Two things I've noticed 1) Youtube has pulled more music videos owned by Viacom made overseas. 2) Viacom makes American videos readily available on their MTV website. They also own MTV Asia which does not make material available. So it seems only American Hollywood/Memphis entertainment is available around the world. Sorry, Bali-wood entertain is not allowed anywhere. I think Viacom is doing this incense people overseas to violate copyright restrictions, so that Viacom can increase their claim in court.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:11 AM on 07/04/2008
- cmdrgmh I'm a Fan of cmdrgmh 4 fans permalink

since 2001, the empire Co's. have ruined our music, filed copyright charges against regular people and now are taking youtube out. Bush (Nazi State) Administration. This is like a nightmare.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:06 AM on 07/04/2008
- in4success I'm a Fan of in4success 45 fans permalink

nope . . . it IS a nightmare, a virtual nightmare.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:09 PM on 07/04/2008
- ebanks84 I'm a Fan of ebanks84 126 fans permalink

Yes, my friends, it's happening, we're on the steps of that Orwellian existence for sure. Wake up America. Soon, you'll be lucky if you can breathe without asking first.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:45 AM on 07/04/2008
- majorteddy I'm a Fan of majorteddy 7 fans permalink

And could we also find out what books these people are reading and who they are talking to?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:36 AM on 07/04/2008

Time to Boycott Viacom!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:26 AM on 07/04/2008

But Viacom owns about a third of everything you see or hear. From billboards to radio stations to TV, books and movies. Can't we all give these poor guys a break?

Just kidding! They're scum!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:12 PM on 07/04/2008
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