McCain's 'Deficit Reduction' Plan Would Cost Trillions

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First Posted: 07- 7-08 02:45 PM   |   Updated: 07-15-08 05:12 AM

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On Monday, John McCain released the outlines of his economic agenda, promising to balance the federal budget by the end of his first term by saving money from achieving victory in Iraq and Afghanistan.

"Since all their costs were financed with deficit spending, all their savings must go to deficit reduction," McCain's memo read.

But if the goal is to reduce deficit by cutting down on foreign expenditures, the question should be raised: whose Iraq plan -- McCain's or Barack Obama's -- would do more?

Estimating costs for troop withdrawal, long-term occupations, and even current operations, is a tricky business, made more complicated by the difficulties in pinpointing exactly what each candidate is seeking to do with U.S. troops once he enters office.

But the Congressional Budget Office has put out several possible templates for an American presence in Iraq and Afghanistan that offer an approximation of the costs of Obama and McCain's policies. Should the candidates follow through with their proposals, taxpayers would be spending, perhaps, tens-of-billions (if not hundreds-of-billions) more under McCain. The Arizona Republican argues that this is a price worth paying. But it is still worthwhile noting just how much more his Iraq policy would contribute to the deficit.

If the number of troops in both Iraq and Afghanistan were reduced to 30,000 by 2010, the United States would spend an estimated $570 billion between 2008 and 2017, according to an October 2007 COB report. Under this scenario, the number of personnel deployed in Iraq, Afghanistan, and elsewhere would start at 200,000 in fiscal year 2008, "decline to approximately 100,000 personnel, on average, in 2009, and then reach 30,000 at the beginning of fiscal year 2010."

That timeline, however, could represent a quicker reduction than even Obama has pledged. While the Senator has stuck to the promise of removing one-to-two combat brigades a month from Iraq over the course of 16 months, his advisers say he is open to the idea (perhaps committed) of sending additional forces into Afghanistan. Should that be the case - and keeping in mind that Obama will leave a residual force in Iraq - an estimated troop reduction to 75,000 by 2013 seems more likely. Under that scenario, the United States would spend slightly more than $1 trillion from 2008 through 2017. For the sake of context: the cost of the wars between 2001 and 2007 has been more than $600 billion.

McCain has pledged that the war in Iraq will be won by 2013. But he has also said that he would keep troops in the country for "100 years" (or some extended length of time) provided that the level of violence were minimal. That policy would cost a pretty penny for taxpayers.

In a letter sent to Sen. Ken Conrad in September 2007, the CBO estimated that keeping approximately 55,000 military personnel in Iraq, under the assumption that they would operate at the "same pace and conduct the same types of missions as the forces currently deployed there," would have a $4 billion to $8 billion one-time cost and a price of $25 billion annually. This is an estimate of just the military operations, and would come on top of the $1-trillion-or-so cost of troop reductions as detailed by the previous CBO estimates.

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Under a "non-combat" scenario, a la America's current presence in South Korea (which McCain has referenced as a template for what he would do in Iraq), costs of a long-term presence in Iraq would be approximately $8 billion at once, and $10 billion annually.

In a statement to Talking Points Memo, McCain campaign spokesman Brian Rogers tried to clarify the Senator's claim that the United States could reduce its deficit by winning the war.

"It's pretty straightforward," he wrote. "As we win, costs will go down with a smaller footprint over time, and those savings will go to deficit reduction. It's really the logical extension of Senator McCain's position as articulated in the 2013 speech. Achieving success in Iraq would obviously lead to reduced expenditures on the effort."

But cost estimates suggest that if reducing America's deficit is the goal, a long term military presence in Iraq is not the best mechanism for getting there.

That said, there are a variety of unknowns when it comes to estimating the costs of war policy. For example, how much money would it take for an Obama administration to send troops to Afghanistan? What would happen if, after withdrawal, troops needed to be brought back into Iraq (would they have to fight to regain bases)? How much will medical costs end up being for returning soldiers? What are the costs of a disorderly withdrawal? And how long, exactly, will McCain's vision of a long-term presence in the region last?

"Look at the initial estimates offered by Mitch Daniels [Director of the White House Budget] for the war in 2002," remarked Brian Katulis, a foreign policy specialist for the Center for American Progress. "He was saying the war would cost somewhere between $50 billion and $60 billion. How accurate did that turn out?"

But there are certain cost predictions that analysts can make with greater certainty. One is that transporting troops, whether to a different country or back home, is generally the same (roughly $4 billion to $5 billion). The other is that drawing down troops is more cost effective then keeping them in Iraq.

"The pace of the drawdown matters a lot," said one analyst who has studied the issue extensively. "The faster it is the more you save. The less combat operations costs you will have, the few combat payments you will have to make, the less expensive it will be to operate and repair equipment. You will consolidate bases. And the transportation costs will be the same.... It is a linear cost reduction. As you take people out you save money."

On Monday, John McCain released the outlines of his economic agenda, promising to balance the federal budget by the end of his first term by saving money from achieving victory in Iraq and Afghanistan...
On Monday, John McCain released the outlines of his economic agenda, promising to balance the federal budget by the end of his first term by saving money from achieving victory in Iraq and Afghanistan...
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- moxieme I'm a Fan of moxieme 12 fans permalink

What part of they don't want us there does Sen. McCain and his minions not understand? We are paying the cost to be the boss (we're still not) most noticeably with human sacrifice. I don't care how often he exploits his military service, which he apparently considers his crowning glory, I will never vote for a grumpy, old philandering man who abandoned his crippled wife. He consistently tries to paint Sen. Obama as an undeserving underling. He has an army of surrogates using fear, deception, racially-coded language to divide this nation by race and class. As a citizen who has never voted a straight ticket, but primarily Republican, I will not vote for John McCain or any other Republican this cycle. They are an embarassment to democracy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:06 AM on 07/09/2008
- iambusto I'm a Fan of iambusto 5 fans permalink

even being a republican i agree that we should withdraw troops..ASAP. save the billion (or trillion) $$ wasteful spending.

but along with that, we should stop foreign aid also along with that. we waste too much money sending food and $$ to countries that mean nothing. stop the war, stop the aid. save all that money to invest in the infrastructure back here in the us.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:15 PM on 07/08/2008

I don't think we need to end foreign aid. I think we need to continue spending as much money as we currently do on foreign aid, with the provision that they are no longer offered freely, but only as matching funds. The same goes for funding international agencies like the UN, World Bank, and International Monetary fund. No more free ride on our tab.

Any other country can send foreign aid, and we'll match it dollar for dollar, up to our current level of spending. But we should stop sending money to places nobody else in the world seems to care about, or only pay lip service to.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:20 PM on 07/08/2008

This just proves my point: Repiglicans have no idea what to do with the economy or our tax dollars. You can tell that by just how quickly Bush spent the surplus left by Clinton, and how deep of a hole he's going to leave us with. People are quick to say that Democrats raise taxes, but in most cases, they have to in order to recoup the money that the Repigs have thrown away!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:47 AM on 07/08/2008
- Vern58 I'm a Fan of Vern58 13 fans permalink
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Lie,Spin,Lie,Spin,Lie,Spin,Lie,Spin,Lie,Spin,Lie,SpinLieSpinLieSpinLieSpin.............
It is all a question of pretzel logic and outright baldfce lying to the American people. You can float this sludge until the whites of your eyes grow brown, but you cannot get anyone to believe this fascist line of crap.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:37 AM on 07/08/2008

Also announced he will spite nose by cutting off face.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:27 AM on 07/08/2008
- RFBorjal I'm a Fan of RFBorjal 5 fans permalink

McCain to reduce the deficit with trillions from a victory in Iraq? Should we wait a hundred years?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:22 AM on 07/08/2008

Delusional old bat...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:39 AM on 07/08/2008

Try again Gramps....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:28 AM on 07/08/2008
- escobar I'm a Fan of escobar 18 fans permalink

His ad featuring lots of supposed soldiers faces asking thet they be allowed to,"Finish the job" makes me wonder wahat is the job?
It is obvious that the job is to subdue the population so the international oil companies can extract their oil.
McCain wants the taxpayer to not just pay for his occuping force but send their kids to enable his friends to rape another counry..same as it ever was only now they can say it is, "Golbalization" not colonialism or imperialism, but straight up theft on a national level.
They are creating terrorists but what would Hitler call the French resistance?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:05 AM on 07/08/2008
- shelobo I'm a Fan of shelobo 7 fans permalink

The 'JOB' was only supposed to LIBERATE the Iraqi People .Not remain in Iraq against their wish's.The Iraqis want our military out of their country.There can be no surrender nor a win as McCain calls it,as we weren't supposed to have a war against the Iraqi people ,our military was only supposed to liberate them.It's always been known that Bin Ladin was not in Iraq,and Millions of Americans do believe that the Iraqi war is about OIL ,not liberateing the Iraqi people !The Asia Times recently did a interesting artcle on the BIG Oil deals being made in Iraq.....a new round of immensely profitable oil deals ... announced by Iraqi Oil Minister Sharistani, in which giants like Exxon Mobil can nail down long-term contracts and take away a large share of the oil from several key operating fields, like the massive Rumaila and West Qurna, some of the world's largest. http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/JG04Ak03.html , is McCain planning on keeping these deals alive for his big oil friends benefit or just to be known as a bigger warmonger than Bush is?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:36 AM on 07/08/2008

What does Obama mean when he says he wants to "Finish the job" in Afghanistan?

Does he mean he wants to hop into a time machine and go back to Tora Bora to kill Bin Laden? Or does he mean that even though Bin Laden isn't even in the country any longer, that ensuring that Afghanistan will be a peaceful and free and Democratic country is the job that needs finishing?

Unless he's talking about time machines, what else could it be? And since neither Afghanistan nor Iraq is currently about killing Bin Laden, then why should finishing one job be good and necessary, and finishing the other is harmful and pointless?

It's no wonder Dems don't want to talk about this stuff. Their positions are directly contradictory, and they sound practically unintelligible when they try to spin it to sound sane.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:34 PM on 07/08/2008
- gr8abz I'm a Fan of gr8abz 6 fans permalink

They government under President Bush could have captured or killed Bin Laden six years ago if they had invested one quarter of what they've squandered in Iraq into going after the man behind 911 instead.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:38 AM on 07/08/2008

Let me see...we are running a deficit of how much? $250 billion a year? And the war costs, what, $60 to $100 billion a year? Doesn't that still leave a deficit of $150 to $190 billion a year?

Then McSame is going to cut more taxes? EVERY tax cut since Ronald Reagan has increased the deficit precipitously. It was only the tax INCREASES that balanced the budget and revived the economy in the 90's.

Bush's tax cuts led to the deficit. The deficit led to crowding out in the credit industry AND to the dollar losing value internationally. This led to the devaluing of the dollar AND the crash of the housing. Combine that with dereg of the lending industry and the EXPLOSION of immoral exploitative lending and foreclosures exploded--and like the Hindenburg, one spark into a giant gas bag and the whole system is collapsing.

So....How is McSame going to balance the budget cutting taxes to the rich NO MATTER WHAT? (Oh, and the GOP let sneak through the biggest middle class tax increase: the AMT, lowering the minimum from households with $100,000 gross incomes to $90,000. In the NE, if both of a couple are making just $45,000 each, they are barely into the middle class.

So..How is McSame going to balance the budget? The War deficit isn't the whole deficit. Tax cuts increase the deficit. The numbers don't add up. Period. He's either lying or stupid.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:15 AM on 07/08/2008

Hi,

Dear Senator McCain,

Please define what you think is "winning" in Iraq. How much more will it cost the US taxpayer in lives and money AND how much longer will it take.

Thanks,

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:47 AM on 07/08/2008
- shelobo I'm a Fan of shelobo 7 fans permalink

As long as 100 years .....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:36 AM on 07/08/2008
- LintLass I'm a Fan of LintLass 23 fans permalink

Oh, all we had to do was *win.* Why didn't we think of that before?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:39 AM on 07/08/2008
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The US Military is separating two groups of Iraqi citizens who desperately want to kill each other.

How does one "win" that? I REALLY would like to know.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:45 AM on 07/08/2008
- RTIII I'm a Fan of RTIII 89 fans permalink

Whey they (legally) ask you to leave.

We have already won, under the re-interpreted definition of winning: "As the Iraqis stand up, we will stand down."

That Junior now refuses to accept victory tells us that it wasn't his real motive all along.

Now, other than murder, what WAS his motive, anyway? We know it wasn't anything to do with weapons of mass destruction...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:13 AM on 07/08/2008

Can't leave until all that black gold is accounted for.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:09 AM on 07/08/2008
- shelobo I'm a Fan of shelobo 7 fans permalink

In response to the quote "As the Iraqis stand up, we will stand down."The Iraqis don't want to stand up ,they don't have to spend their money ,which they have managed to hoard a lot of ,will remain idle and WE (The American Taxpayers) foot the bill for them.Some even thought that while he held power in Iraq that Saddam Hussien was dabbling in counterfeiting American money http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9D01EFDE173DF936A15757C0A9659C8B63C8B63

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:49 AM on 07/08/2008

In Turkey 75% of the citizens are Sunnis, and 25% are associated with the Shia tradition. They aren't killing each other. They aren't at each others throats. Are you worried that these two groups CAN'T get along, or that they CAN?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:35 PM on 07/08/2008

Well ... You can be a Liar putting in danger the life of more than 300 millions Peoples or you may not understand much on Economics but in both cases that's not an excuse to tolerate for a Commander in chief

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:28 AM on 07/08/2008
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