Obama: I Haven't Moved To The Center

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LIZ SIDOTI | July 8, 2008 03:52 PM EST | AP

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Democratic presidential candidate, Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill, points to supporters during a town hall-style meeting in Powder Springs, Ga., Tuesday, July 8, 2008. (AP Photo/Jae C. Hong)

POWDER SPRINGS, Ga. — Asked by a voter about accusations of flip-flopping, Democrat Barack Obama dismissed the notion Tuesday that he has shifted stances on Iraq, guns and the death penalty to break with his party's liberal wing and court a wider swath of voters.

"The people who say this haven't apparently been listening to me," the likely Democratic presidential nominee said in response to a question at a town-hall style event.

Obama blamed criticism from "my friends on the left" and "some of the media" in part on cynicism that ascribes political motives for every move candidates make. "You're not going to agree with me on 100 percent of what I think, but don't assume that if I don't agree with you on something that it must be because I'm doing that politically," he said. "I may just disagree with you."

The Illinois senator was responding to a question from a self-described "reformed Republican" who said he worked for Democrat Bobby Kennedy four decades ago and thanked Obama for restoring "that faith."

"You had an interesting week of being accused of flip-flopping, which is mostly nonsense," the man said. He then asked Obama to restate his Iraq position, and Obama used the opportunity to dispel the idea he had generally changed his stances.

Since wrapping up the Democratic nomination last month, Obama has voiced positions that break with the Democratic Party's left and seem to shade his own past positions on a range of subjects. He's drawn criticism from some liberal Democrats who question his loyalty and from Republicans who accuse him of flip-flopping.

His remarks aside, Obama is clearly competing for the center of the electorate. Originally best known as an anti-Iraq war candidate, his general election commercials appear nonpartisan and make an obvious play for voters across the political spectrum by focusing on family values and patriotism as well as "welfare to work" and lower taxes.

Over the past few weeks, he angered liberals by supporting compromise electronic surveillance rules for the government's wiretapping program even though the bill provided immunity that he opposed last year for telecommunications companies that conducted warrantless eavesdropping. When the Supreme Court overturned the District of Columbia's gun ban, he said he favors both an individual's right to bear firearms and a government's right to regulate them.

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And, he broke with death penalty opponents when he disagreed with the Supreme Court's decision outlawing executions of people who rape children.

On Iraq, he has gone from a boisterous end-the-war call that endeared him to the left flank to more nuanced rhetoric. He has long called for a troop drawdown process that could last 16 months. Last week, he said his upcoming Iraq trip might lead him to refine, but not basically alter, his determination to pull U.S. troops out of combat in Iraq and that the safety of U.S. troops and the stability of Iraq might force him to adjust his timetable. It's a potentially flexible formulation that has troubled liberals even though he's said throughout his candidacy that the nation needs to be careful leaving Iraq.

"I am somebody who is no doubt progressive. I believe in a tax code that we need to make more fair. I believe in universal health care. I believe in making college affordable. I believe in paying our teachers more money. I believe in early childhood education," Obama told his audience here. "I believe in a whole lot of things that make me progressive and squarely in the Democratic camp."

But, he said: "I'm not just somebody who is talking about government as the solution to everything. I also believe in personal responsibility. I also believe in faith."

So, he said when he talks about the idea of recruiting churches and other religious groups to provide community services through faith-based initiatives, as he did last week, "that's not something new. I've been talking about that for years now. I've been organizing with churches for years in the community. So the notion that somehow that's me trying to look more centered, more centrist, is just not true."

He also raised the Supreme Court ruling that upheld the rights of individuals to bear arms and said: "I actually have said that I agree with that for years, even before the ruling came down." He said that doesn't contradict his view that "we've got decent controls over the use of illegal firearms in our community."

And, addressing the questioner's Iraq query, Obama drew cheers when he said: "I opposed this war from the start" and "I have also consistently said that once we were in, we had to be as careful getting out as we were careless getting in."

McCain spokesman Tucker Bounds argued Obama "put politics ahead of principle" on numerous issues and "has proven his rhetoric to be nothing but empty words and broken pledges that are at odds with his left wing partisan record. Barack Obama is wrong: everyone's been listening and still nobody knows what Barack Obama truly believes."

POWDER SPRINGS, Ga. — Asked by a voter about accusations of flip-flopping, Democrat Barack Obama dismissed the notion Tuesday that he has shifted stances on Iraq, guns and the death penalty to b...
POWDER SPRINGS, Ga. — Asked by a voter about accusations of flip-flopping, Democrat Barack Obama dismissed the notion Tuesday that he has shifted stances on Iraq, guns and the death penalty to b...
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- Jaybot I'm a Fan of Jaybot 10 fans permalink

"The rest of the country made a dramatic shift to the left" (yeah, that's the ticket!)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:16 AM on 07/09/2008
- biglith I'm a Fan of biglith 14 fans permalink

Caution: Reading these posts can be dangerous to your mental health.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:01 AM on 07/09/2008
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He hasn't moved to the center. He started in the center. He's moved to the right of center.

Had he expressed these same opinions during the primaries, with the same emphasis and vigor, he never would be the presumptive nominee today.

This is terribly, remarkably sad.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:00 AM on 07/09/2008
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Quit listening to the television talking head's. They never get the story right. On Purpose.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:26 AM on 07/09/2008
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Look I don't have to listen to anyone but the candidate himself. Obama is fully progressive. He may have some different ideas on some issues because he is an independent thinker. If you dont want to vote for him say so, but don crucify him think of him as right of center. That is the dumbest thing I have ever heard. All of you left liberals are doing is helping McCAin win

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:07 AM on 07/09/2008

Wrong -- he's been consistent:

Obama said, “I’ve also consistently said that I will consult with military commanders on the ground and that we will always be open to the possibility of tactical adjustments. ” [MSNBC, 6/16/08]

Obama was asked what weight he would give to counsel from military commanders regarding a phased withdrawal. Obama said, “I will give their counsel great weight. . .. I will also have to take into consideration the counsel of other senior military leaders who may be concerned that Iraq is undercutting our ability to confront other security challenges.” [Washington Post, 3/2/08]

Obama said, “The precise size of the residual force will depend on consultations with our military commanders and will depend on the circumstances on the ground, including the willingness of the Iraqi government to move toward political accommodation. [WaPo, 3/2/08]

Obama Said He Would Leave Residual Troops In Iraq Based On The Levels Of Violence, “It’s Not My Job To Specify Troop Levels.” Obama said, [Fosters, 11/28/07]

Obama Said U.S. Has To Make Sure “We Are Not Just Willy-Nilly Removing Troops” And That It May “Take A Little Bit Longer” In Some Areas Where There Is Less Stability. “ “If The Commanders Tell Me They Need X, Y And Z, In Order To Accomplish The Very Narrow Mission That I’ve Laid Out, Then I Will Take That Into Consideration.” [NYT, 11/1/07]

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:07 AM on 07/09/2008
- egal I'm a Fan of egal 13 fans permalink
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Actually, anyone conversant on the political spectrum can tell you that the United States' "leftists" are really centrists, and the "rightists" are basically in the exact same spot or fascists. But considering few Americans know this because the education system sucks, why should you?

Obama's opinions, policies, and plans haven't changed at all; it's easy to find that out should you choose to use the Internet for something other than griping. He supports all the progressive agendas but not to the same extremes as many supporters; en exemplar, he supports freedoms above restrictions and thus supports both cutting illegal gun ownership and upholding legal gun ownership for home use.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:11 AM on 07/09/2008

As an American conversant on the political spectrum, I'd take it one step further and say that US "leftists", at least those in the government, are not merely centrist but even right of "center".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:39 AM on 07/09/2008
- kevenseven I'm a Fan of kevenseven 501 fans permalink
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Don't be dramatic. He has not shifted hardly at all, and it is not even remotely tragic that he has adopted a .general election stance.

It is instead, the intelligent thing to do, and was utterly predictable, to anyone who knows diddly about electoral politcs

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:42 AM on 07/09/2008

"Had he expressed these same opinions during the primaries, with the same emphasis and vigor, he never would be the presumptive nominee today."

So, if I'm following your statement, he lied. In order to get the nomination he lied to everyone during the primary, because that is exactly what you just stated.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:14 AM on 07/09/2008

Politicians lie?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:33 AM on 07/09/2008
- whizkid I'm a Fan of whizkid 28 fans permalink

He hasn't moved to the center.
He's moved to the TelePrompter.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:32 AM on 07/09/2008

Right before he moved to the Televangelists.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:34 AM on 07/09/2008

There's no hate like conservative hate.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:19 AM on 07/09/2008
- kevenseven I'm a Fan of kevenseven 501 fans permalink
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I smell PUMA scat.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:41 AM on 07/09/2008
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I smell rats in here

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:08 AM on 07/09/2008

People listen to the news hounds instead of Senator Obama - and believe me, the media does not always report the truth or tell the entire story.
So, listen to Obama and stop listening to the talking heads who have their own agenda.
Sadly, people are against Obama because he's young and smart and black - and they'll vote for John McCain just for spite.
If you think McCain will do a better job then vote for him - otherwise vote for Obama - otherwise don't vote. Who cares.

VOTE SMART- OBAMA '08!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:06 AM on 07/09/2008
- ouroborous I'm a Fan of ouroborous 61 fans permalink
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I didn't listen to a damned "news hound" on this, I was angered when Obama flip flopped on FISA.

I don't care his age (he's still older than me), his race (what the hell does that matter), or that he's smart (which is a good thing, although with this recent set of moves I begin to question just HOW smart he really is...).

What I care about is him sticking to his word and being the man he promised he would be. Nothing less.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:17 AM on 07/09/2008
- Lautenberg I'm a Fan of Lautenberg 3 fans permalink
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The media won't be voting today in the Senate. Obama will be.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:05 AM on 07/09/2008
- richdoll I'm a Fan of richdoll 6 fans permalink

obama is better than 3rd term bush any day - what obama is doing is taking some of edwards,hillary
policies and combinding with his realize he needed a plan while mccshame was figuiring it out & he still does not have a good plan. the media is attacking obama due to he's very methodical he's not a
a flip floper- the republicans do not know how to go after him.. they are testing and everything seems to fails and the the so call pundits jump on every word like a virus

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:06 AM on 07/09/2008

Well if that is the case, then why doesn't he just say so. I don't think anyone would have a problem with certain things he changed if he gets on the tv and says, You know I sat down with Sen. Clinton and Sen. Edwards and went over some things. These are the things we're going to work towards and how we're going to do them. I don't think anyone has a problem with him changing things around when something like that happens, but that is not what is happening. So there is your ultimate problem.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:20 AM on 07/09/2008
- Lautenberg I'm a Fan of Lautenberg 3 fans permalink
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Very true, but if he doesn't hold Bush to account and just takes the power for himself then we are all screwed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:04 AM on 07/09/2008

he hasnt moved to the center??
then what has he done?
progressive-liberals got him nominated.
now we suddenly don't agree on civil liberties.
It sounds like a shift to me.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:20 AM on 07/09/2008
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All the main stream media will talk about is Obama "flip flopping" (they ignore McCain's flip flopping). What do they say to justify their talking about it? The liberals. Not the republicans, but the liberals. We are helping the republicans and the media define the message. They are using the term "flip flop" like it's going out of style. They've adopted it like a new born puppy and they won't let it go now.

Republicans (even when they adamantly disagree with McCain on key issues) always stay on message. Thus they win. And we lose.

Can you blame me for being frustrated?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:06 PM on 07/08/2008
- ghop I'm a Fan of ghop 4 fans permalink

No, I get the frustration. At the same time I have to say that many on the left are capable of both supporting our candidate and disagreeing with him on some issues.
I have always found the self-righteous, black-and-white assertions of some on this site and other lefty blogs grating. Aren't liberals supposed to be against simplistic, under analyzed arguments? The simplistic-argument folks are the ones who come out in droves every time one of these "0bama Flip-Flop" stories is featured (prominently) on HuffPo. Add to that the PUMAs and the McTrollz, and it's enough to give you heartburn. It's unfortunate because it often turns what could be a real forum for discussing the issues into a name-calling screechfest. I have to admit I've fallen into that trap before.

The reality is that bloggers on HuffPo or Kos (often both!) are a small population. If you pay attention to who is doing the "I'm voting Green/Libertarian" or "0bama sucks" posts, you'll soon see that it is the same folks posting the same things over and over again. Most of us are smarter than that.

Chin up :).

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:43 PM on 07/08/2008
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Thanks. I also admit to falling into the infighting. Exhausting. I don't want to fight liberals. All I have to do is think about 8 years of Bush, and my focus is very clear: WE MUST DEFEAT MCCLONE!

Obama is flawed. I disagree with him on several key issues. But he also has many good things about him too. I just can't bear the thought of republicans benefiting from any of this.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:54 PM on 07/08/2008
- ouroborous I'm a Fan of ouroborous 61 fans permalink
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Yet another "everyone who disagrees with me is a Republican troll" post.

You started out so promisingly, pointing out that someone could both support a candidate (at least by voting for him) and still vehemently oppose some of his actions. So true!

...but then you went THERE, and trivialized the exact group that you were praising a moment ago.

I'm gonna vote for Obama, okay? But he's wrong, dead wrong, on the FISA thing, and it is a 100% flip flop. I mean, he said, in plain language, that he'd filibuster a bill with the same damned provisions that he now claims is such a wonderful "compromise."

How is that anything OTHER than a flip flop?

I don't want him to lose. I want him to be HONEST, at a bare minimum. I'd love for him to really support the Constitution and the rule of law, but given that that's looking increasingly unlikely, I'd like him to be at least honest.

If he can't pull that off, how, again, is he better than McCain?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:21 AM on 07/09/2008
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Do you think the republicans fight each other like this?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:02 PM on 07/08/2008
- Lautenberg I'm a Fan of Lautenberg 3 fans permalink
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No they are just a bunch of pack mules playing follow the fascist. independent thought is discouraged.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:09 AM on 07/09/2008
- fourex I'm a Fan of fourex 17 fans permalink
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Obama: I Haven't Moved To The Center

In what political system is wholesale domestic spying a core value?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:57 PM on 07/08/2008
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The UK. They have cameras on every street corner.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:07 PM on 07/08/2008
- Lautenberg I'm a Fan of Lautenberg 3 fans permalink
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So are you saying that makes it right?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:11 AM on 07/09/2008
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Take a piece of paper.

Write down the pros and cons for McClone

Write down the pros and cons for O

If you can't still see the difference, consult your doctor about increasing your medication.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:54 PM on 07/08/2008
- Lautenberg I'm a Fan of Lautenberg 3 fans permalink
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And conform right now damnit

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:12 AM on 07/09/2008

Obama is so now in the center that he and McCain are starting to sound like Dueling Banjos.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:29 PM on 07/08/2008
- pupbayer I'm a Fan of pupbayer 23 fans permalink

Jon Stewart just did a bit showing a clip of Bush talking about if he could wave a magic wand and make gas prices go down, he would. Then he showed Obama saying that he'd like to wave a magic wand and make gas prices go down. It was pretty funny. Obama saying the same things in the same language as Bush...scary.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:10 PM on 07/08/2008
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I saw a scene of Obama drinking a cup of coffee. I think Bush drinks coffee too. Scary..........................................NOT!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:22 PM on 07/08/2008
- ghop I'm a Fan of ghop 4 fans permalink

Oh yes, HE'S JUST THE SAME AS W!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
EEEK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Stewart was making a joke, what's your excuse?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:27 PM on 07/08/2008
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Also, Bush actually believes in magic fair-ies.

In fact, magic fair-ies are the republican healthcare plan in a nutshell. If you're hurt, wish for the help of a magic fair-y b/c you sure as he-ll are not going to get in to see a doctor!

; - 0

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:56 PM on 07/08/2008
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Anybody here married or involved in a serious committed relationship? Quick drill them about their stands on every single progressive issue. If they don't agree with you exactly, hurry up and divorce them. There will be no compromise. We are progressives. We have principles. We will form up the circular firing squad and be proud of our principles to the very last breath.

Say hello to President McClone.

Is that Rush Limbaugh I hear giggling in the background?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:41 PM on 07/08/2008

lemme see, nonCONFORMIST2, we progressives are variously dupes of the right wing, want 4 more years of bush, and now, are too principled?

i, however, don't hear rush limbaugh giggling in the background . . . perhaps you should change the station on your radio

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:52 PM on 07/08/2008
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Yes:

1. Progressives are being manipulated by the right
2. Progressives think they are standing up for their principles by not voting for Obama, when in reality they are playing right into the hands of the right.

It's one thing to criticize Obama's stand on some issues, it's another thing to allow yourself to be deluded into turning against the dems.

Pretty obvious stuff really.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:08 PM on 07/08/2008

FISA: Obama's flip flop move toward fascism, not to the "center".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:40 PM on 07/08/2008
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Read a history book.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:47 PM on 07/08/2008

Can't rely on that anymore. It's nearing a year since Bush shared his wisdom on the lessons we learned from Vietnam. They weren't the lessons I was taught, suffice it to say. History is becoming unlike the history it was.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:55 PM on 07/08/2008
- ghop I'm a Fan of ghop 4 fans permalink

Hyperbole: an ineffective rhetorical device that induces giggling.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:53 PM on 07/08/2008
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We see A LOT of hyperbole on Huffy!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:59 PM on 07/08/2008
- research I'm a Fan of research 287 fans permalink

Welcome to George Orwell's Surveillance State:

Total Fascism. All seeing, all powerful. The individual has NO rights.

Don't pis* off the state. Bring on the MSM wall to wall double speak.

This new FISA is the SPY ON ANYONE IN THE WORLD law.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOA1YAglmUw
FISA video explains it real simple.

Anyone Anywhere in the World for any reason no matter how ridiculous.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:23 PM on 07/14/2008
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I WANT Obama to change his position on getting our of Iraq.

Here's how I see it. He goes to Iraq, meets with the generals and the Iraqi leaders. Then he comes home and announces that due to a lessening of violence and more stability in the region, I know feel that 16 months is not the proper time line for bringing home troops. Instead, I now feel that we can get them home even sooner. Say 10 months! Maybe 8 months!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:30 PM on 07/08/2008
- lainey I'm a Fan of lainey 46 fans permalink

What a beautiful and hopeful sentiment. Thanks for bringing back the spirit of the campaign. All the best to you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:38 PM on 07/08/2008

Yes!! I was so happy to read that the Iraqis are now demanding a timeline for our exit. Perfect reason to get the h-ll out of there quick. I sure hope everyone Barack meets over there says it's time to end this thing. Exit in less than 1 year sure sounds good.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:55 AM on 07/09/2008
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