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LIZ SIDOTI | July 8, 2008 03:52 PM EST | AP

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Democratic presidential candidate, Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill, points to supporters during a town hall-style meeting in Powder Springs, Ga., Tuesday, July 8, 2008. (AP Photo/Jae C. Hong)

POWDER SPRINGS, Ga. — Asked by a voter about accusations of flip-flopping, Democrat Barack Obama dismissed the notion Tuesday that he has shifted stances on Iraq, guns and the death penalty to break with his party's liberal wing and court a wider swath of voters.

"The people who say this haven't apparently been listening to me," the likely Democratic presidential nominee said in response to a question at a town-hall style event.

Obama blamed criticism from "my friends on the left" and "some of the media" in part on cynicism that ascribes political motives for every move candidates make. "You're not going to agree with me on 100 percent of what I think, but don't assume that if I don't agree with you on something that it must be because I'm doing that politically," he said. "I may just disagree with you."

The Illinois senator was responding to a question from a self-described "reformed Republican" who said he worked for Democrat Bobby Kennedy four decades ago and thanked Obama for restoring "that faith."

"You had an interesting week of being accused of flip-flopping, which is mostly nonsense," the man said. He then asked Obama to restate his Iraq position, and Obama used the opportunity to dispel the idea he had generally changed his stances.

Since wrapping up the Democratic nomination last month, Obama has voiced positions that break with the Democratic Party's left and seem to shade his own past positions on a range of subjects. He's drawn criticism from some liberal Democrats who question his loyalty and from Republicans who accuse him of flip-flopping.

His remarks aside, Obama is clearly competing for the center of the electorate. Originally best known as an anti-Iraq war candidate, his general election commercials appear nonpartisan and make an obvious play for voters across the political spectrum by focusing on family values and patriotism as well as "welfare to work" and lower taxes.

Over the past few weeks, he angered liberals by supporting compromise electronic surveillance rules for the government's wiretapping program even though the bill provided immunity that he opposed last year for telecommunications companies that conducted warrantless eavesdropping. When the Supreme Court overturned the District of Columbia's gun ban, he said he favors both an individual's right to bear firearms and a government's right to regulate them.

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And, he broke with death penalty opponents when he disagreed with the Supreme Court's decision outlawing executions of people who rape children.

On Iraq, he has gone from a boisterous end-the-war call that endeared him to the left flank to more nuanced rhetoric. He has long called for a troop drawdown process that could last 16 months. Last week, he said his upcoming Iraq trip might lead him to refine, but not basically alter, his determination to pull U.S. troops out of combat in Iraq and that the safety of U.S. troops and the stability of Iraq might force him to adjust his timetable. It's a potentially flexible formulation that has troubled liberals even though he's said throughout his candidacy that the nation needs to be careful leaving Iraq.

"I am somebody who is no doubt progressive. I believe in a tax code that we need to make more fair. I believe in universal health care. I believe in making college affordable. I believe in paying our teachers more money. I believe in early childhood education," Obama told his audience here. "I believe in a whole lot of things that make me progressive and squarely in the Democratic camp."

But, he said: "I'm not just somebody who is talking about government as the solution to everything. I also believe in personal responsibility. I also believe in faith."

So, he said when he talks about the idea of recruiting churches and other religious groups to provide community services through faith-based initiatives, as he did last week, "that's not something new. I've been talking about that for years now. I've been organizing with churches for years in the community. So the notion that somehow that's me trying to look more centered, more centrist, is just not true."

He also raised the Supreme Court ruling that upheld the rights of individuals to bear arms and said: "I actually have said that I agree with that for years, even before the ruling came down." He said that doesn't contradict his view that "we've got decent controls over the use of illegal firearms in our community."

And, addressing the questioner's Iraq query, Obama drew cheers when he said: "I opposed this war from the start" and "I have also consistently said that once we were in, we had to be as careful getting out as we were careless getting in."

McCain spokesman Tucker Bounds argued Obama "put politics ahead of principle" on numerous issues and "has proven his rhetoric to be nothing but empty words and broken pledges that are at odds with his left wing partisan record. Barack Obama is wrong: everyone's been listening and still nobody knows what Barack Obama truly believes."

POWDER SPRINGS, Ga. — Asked by a voter about accusations of flip-flopping, Democrat Barack Obama dismissed the notion Tuesday that he has shifted stances on Iraq, guns and the death penalty to b...
POWDER SPRINGS, Ga. — Asked by a voter about accusations of flip-flopping, Democrat Barack Obama dismissed the notion Tuesday that he has shifted stances on Iraq, guns and the death penalty to b...
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- Ged2012 I'm a Fan of Ged2012 12 fans permalink
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The way I see it, too many of our progressives believe the lies the extreme right are pitting against Obama. Liberal Democrats start panicking; thus they come up with various analytical perceptions which are meant to criticize Obama--and the Republicans are laughing at us because of it. We're practically doing their job for us.

Before we even get mad at Obama, we better listen to his speeches in the past. He has said so many times that he is willing to work across the aisle. We praised him highly for that. Now that he's doing it, we start feeling that he's a hypocrite to progressive causes.

What precisely is it precisely about "working across the aisle" that we don't understand anyway?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:20 PM on 07/08/2008
- lainey I'm a Fan of lainey 48 fans permalink

Great post. Thanks for the wisdom, it is much appreciated.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:24 PM on 07/08/2008
- jupitor I'm a Fan of jupitor 2 fans permalink

There is something that hit the media you should know about! Obama did not flip flop on the Visa Bill! I was so reliefed when I heard this! Seems the old Visa Bill states: If the General Att; gives the telephone companys permission to tap calls upon request from the president or other gov. agencies they can do so with out punishment of law! Therefore, the Telephone compannys broke no Laws! There is no such thing on the table as immunity, because it doesn't apply here at all! Obama did not flip flop! He can't hold them accountable for breaking a law, when they didn't break the law in the first place! The New Bill he will sign is a comprimise that makes sure that the courts NOW has to give permission/with the att; General for wirer taping! (some of my spelling is off,sorry)It was all on MSN tonight! It is now in court! Seems the white House refuse's to release the att; Generals papers of permision to the telephone companys for wire taping to the courts and are holding up the hearings on this! Ya, guys they sure had you believeing he was flip floping, didn't they!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:41 PM on 07/08/2008

progressives, by definition, are independent thinkers and unlikely to take anything that comes out of any politician's mouth at face value . . . but, as one of senator obama's constituents, i have listened quite intently to his speeches for many years, and i have frequently and passionately expressed a high regard for him

i do not share senator obama's fondness for "working across the aisle" . . . have you seen who sits over there?! . . . and i really don't like some of the horrors that "working across the aisle" has wraught (the iraq war . . . telecom immunity . . . the PATRIOT ACT)

still, time and again, i have expressed an understanding of where senator obama's 100% supporters are coming from . . . but i'm getting really fed up with being attacked for not falling into step and, frankly, my distaste is starting to attach to the candidate

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:09 PM on 07/08/2008
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Now that's just silly. You're blaming Obama for random posts (like mine)? Now you expect him to put on a cape and control the internet postings?

Just to balance out your anger, let's hear your opinion on McCain?

And when you're finished, compare the two.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:48 PM on 07/08/2008
- meanguy I'm a Fan of meanguy 17 fans permalink

"progressives, by definition, are independent thinkers and unlikely to take anything that comes out of any politician's mouth at face value"....WARN someone when you're going to say something like that! i just did a coffee spit take, and some of it shot out of my nose..."independent thinkers?" puh-leeze...you guys are the most predictable 'bots i've ever seen...you make the 'ronpaulites' look like freaking anarchists

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:33 AM on 07/09/2008

Of course he'll work across the aisle. It's much easy to control the masses for your corporate overlords that way.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:13 AM on 07/09/2008
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Sharonh: You said in reference to Obama and the vote to authorize the Iraq war:

"From his own mouth he said if he had been present for the vote that day he would probably have voted for it."

I dare you to prove it!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:19 PM on 07/08/2008
- sharonh I'm a Fan of sharonh 241 fans permalink
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No. 1: In a January 17 "analysis" of a televised advertisement from Sen. Barack Obama's (D-IL) presidential campaign stating that "Obama opposed [the] Iraq war from the start," the Associated Press truncated a quote from Obama reported in a 2004 New York Times article, which the AP cited in assessing the accuracy of the ad. The AP reported: "Obama did speak out against the war in 2002, before he was in the U.S. Senate, and has been a critic of President Bush's policies in Iraq. But asked by the New York Times in 2004 how he would have voted on the use of force resolution, Obama demurred, noting he had not seen intelligence reports that fellow Democrats had seen

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:43 PM on 07/08/2008
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You are seriously citing an analysis of an analysis of something probably taken out of context?

Are you kidding me?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:58 PM on 07/08/2008
- ghop I'm a Fan of ghop 4 fans permalink

Absolutely NOT the same as saying he would vote for it. He was being *gasp* political and giving a non-answer.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:59 PM on 07/08/2008
- sharonh I'm a Fan of sharonh 241 fans permalink
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No. 3: Clinton then turned it back to Obama as she had earlier in the show, noting that his anti-Iraq intervention speech was in 2002; by 2003 it was down from his Web site; by 2004, he “was saying he really didn’t disagree with how George Bush was conducting the war;” from 2005 to 2007, he voted for war funding and didn’t go to the floor to condemn the war for 18 months; and “wasn’t for timelines initially.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:53 PM on 07/08/2008
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Right, because if Clinton said it, it MUST be completely true. No spin there.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:12 PM on 07/08/2008
- sharonh I'm a Fan of sharonh 241 fans permalink
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No 4: He then summoned up his newest surrogate, Rockefeller, as an example.

"Jay Rockefeller read it, but she didn't read it. I don't know where all that experience got her because I have enough experience to know that if you have a national intelligence estimate and the chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee says, 'you should read this, that's why I voted against the war,' then you should probably read it."

The problem? Rockefeller voted for war.

Obama’s statement left the impression that Rockefeller was the chair of the Intelligence Committee, read the NIE report and then voted against the war. Rockefeller, who is currently the chair, was not chair at the time and cast his vote for war, not against it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:59 PM on 07/08/2008
- sharonh I'm a Fan of sharonh 241 fans permalink
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They're scrubbing my posts. I was working on number six.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:01 PM on 07/08/2008
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You need a new hobby. Re enacting the primary spin is not a productive hobby.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:16 PM on 07/08/2008
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I would love it if the Dems would simply fillabuster and not even allow the bill to be voted upon.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:57 PM on 07/08/2008
- nellie I'm a Fan of nellie 502 fans permalink
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It's stunning that Pelosi and Reid ever introduced this bill for a vote in either house.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:01 PM on 07/08/2008
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I agree. If they simply refused to allow it to be voted upon in the first place, then they could take the heat for blocking it (which they can afford to do with their liberal consituancy) and then this nonsense would not be an issue.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:06 PM on 07/08/2008
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Me 2! Would be a nice surprise.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:17 PM on 07/08/2008
- doofmann02 I'm a Fan of doofmann02 2 fans permalink

I have been keeping track of his stance on Iraq from the beginning, and I don't see any change. He wants us out, but will actually listen to his commanders instead of tell them what to think like Gov. bush. He was actually more about going after Al Qaeda where they actually are instead of continuing Mission Impossible like McCranky, and crying about Pakistan and continuing to appease their government.

I could do without him giving churches money when they don't have to pay taxes at all, but if the needy ones get it, well maybe they will do some good. He seems to respect those of us are not-affiliated with any particular faith, at least he has in his speeches. Time will tell.

I don't see even remotely considering the alternative, four more years of just another rodeo clown running the free world. He still gets my vote, just not any more contributions.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:56 PM on 07/08/2008
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Senator Reid, ... Americans are disgusted by anyone who would stand down, and walk away from this day, ... the last day when Congress will have the opportunity to tell the president that his acts were illegal, and unconstitutional. You will not, I fear, and your party's nominee for president in the coming election was nowhere to be seen in the Capitol, ... his workplace for the People.

I will meet you in the voting booth in the Fall, and we Independents who are seeking support for Constitutional Rights to be supported, whether they are the Constitution itself, or the Amendments which were made law by our predecessors, ... will judge whether we are better served by a party that is obviously and perversely committed to the dissolution of our Republic, or a party which has acquiesced and appeased the other party and its leaders, whether they were in the minority or the majority.

Each Party is pathetic. It remains to be determined which party can quickest be replaced with a party that commits itself to restore the provisions of our Constitution, Its Amendments, and our Laws.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:55 PM on 07/08/2008
- sharonh I'm a Fan of sharonh 241 fans permalink
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Hear hear. Spoken like a true American patriot.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:00 PM on 07/08/2008
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What are we puppets on a string? We adopt the talking points forced fed to us by the Republicans and run with them.

Republican to English translation:

Obama is a flip flopper.

McCain has "evolved" on his issues.

Utter Nonsense!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:53 PM on 07/08/2008
- sharonh I'm a Fan of sharonh 241 fans permalink
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Stop saying utter nonsense. How about hogwash or bulls**t, or just nonsense. I know it's spelled differently, but I think of a cow.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:55 PM on 07/08/2008
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Everyone knows that you are bitter and resentful that Hillary was not the nominee, so you take every opportunity you can to bash Obama. You have no credibility. If Obama stubbed his toe, you would make a federal case out of it. Enough. You are voting for a third party candidate b/c you can't let go of your bitterness. We hear you. Move on.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:03 PM on 07/08/2008
- nellie I'm a Fan of nellie 502 fans permalink
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If you're thinking of a cow, it's "udder." :-)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:05 PM on 07/08/2008
- Sarahjan I'm a Fan of Sarahjan 6 fans permalink

nellie

please pay attention to what is stake and what is Sen. Obama is or is not doing. Many of us are very sad because we know that in this election ordinary politician will not do and Obama turned out to be very typical politician.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:50 PM on 07/08/2008

Correction: The left turned out to be an ordinary voting bloc, not the super-informed voting bloc they claimed to be.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:56 PM on 07/08/2008
- k6007 I'm a Fan of k6007 237 fans permalink
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hear ye, hear ye. Who'd thunk it?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:58 PM on 07/08/2008
- nellie I'm a Fan of nellie 502 fans permalink
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Good point.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:18 PM on 07/08/2008
- ghop I'm a Fan of ghop 4 fans permalink

Ha! So true. I thought all us 'leetist types spent our spare time reading candidate's policy positions. Turns out that some of us do, but a lot of us make our decision based on who we'd rather have a glass of Chardonnay with.

Proving, once again, that ANY stereotype is bound to be proven wrong at some point. Even the ones that feed our egos.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:05 PM on 07/08/2008
- nellie I'm a Fan of nellie 502 fans permalink
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I don't feel disappointed.

I started out as an Edwards supporter, because he spoke to the progressive issues I believed in. I chose Obama after Edwards dropped out principally because he talked about money in politics, which is a big issue for me. But I've always felt I lost a lot when Edwards dropped out.

Obama is a moderate. Look at his voting record. Look at his speeches. Look at the work he has done with Republicans in congress. I support him. But I don't have rose colored glasses on. He's a solid, decent, intelligent candidate. I'm not going to whine about him. If you really think he's an ordinary politician, I suggest you look at his fundraising record. He's not beholden to lobbyists or big corporations. And, if you listen closely to his answers about any issue—gun control, FISA, abortion—his answers are squarely rooted in constitutional expertise. You may not agree with him, but he has thought these positions through. I appreciate a candidate who will reason and share his reasoning, talk to me like an adult, and present a cogent argument—even though I might disagree.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:59 PM on 07/08/2008
- remc I'm a Fan of remc permalink

Nicely said! I agree (except that I've always been for Obama...)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:21 PM on 07/08/2008
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"ordinary politician", not good, "typical politician", not good- what exactly were you hoping for?
"saint politician"? or "perfect politician"? Sorry to burst your bubble, but saints are only made at the Vatican, and perfection is a myth.

Obama is the BEST politician we have for now, take it or leave it!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:15 PM on 07/08/2008
- Sarahjan I'm a Fan of Sarahjan 6 fans permalink

SFkid

how can American be anti-liberalism? There is something truly reactionary about political culture that loves nationalism and patriotism so much and yet treats the foundation of modern society-liberalism- as a dirty word? Do Americans read John Stuart Mill and John Locke? Were the American founding fathers liberals? As for Sen. Obama, he knows very well that he shifted his positions on number of key issues including FISA and Iraq. Obama is not and will not be the paradigm shifting political hero many of us thought he will be but he is still much better candidate than McCain.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:45 PM on 07/08/2008
- sharonh I'm a Fan of sharonh 241 fans permalink
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Why limit ourselves to the lesser of 2 evils?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:46 PM on 07/08/2008
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Because it will be one of two people who will be elected. All third party candidates will be basically irrelevant and will have NO EFFECT on actual policy. If we were a parlimentary system, this would be a different story. But with our system, it is the two parties or irrelevance.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:51 PM on 07/08/2008
- k6007 I'm a Fan of k6007 237 fans permalink
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Here's an idea, why don't you go pilfer votes for your third party candidate from r ight w ing sites?? Don't you think in the end that would be more helpful to your cause??

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:53 PM on 07/08/2008
- nellie I'm a Fan of nellie 502 fans permalink
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Your post doesn't make much sense.

Yes, this country is founded on liberal philosophical principles, And? Within that construct there is a broad range of policy positions.

As for Obama, you apparently didn't pay any attention to his speeches, his writing, or his answers during the debates. He hasn't changed his positions. He's still the moderate he always was. Try to not fall the for the media manipulation.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:49 PM on 07/08/2008
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I adamantly disagree that he has changed his position on Iraq. This is republican spin. Simply stating that he will always take into account the conditions on the ground, is exactly what he has been saying all along. They showed the clips for the past year. It backs this up. A president has to be flexible to actual real world conditions. He would be completely incompetent if he didn't (like Bush).

As for FISA, he has chosen to accept a compromise. I strongly disagree with his decision on this. But it is hardly shocking for senators to sign onto a compromise rather than refuse to sign anything.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:50 PM on 07/08/2008
- jupitor I'm a Fan of jupitor 2 fans permalink

No,No, No, Not compromise! Just out! The telephone company did not break the law! It states in the old Fisa bill that if the Attorney General gives permission to the telephone companys to go ahead with the requested wire tapeing from certain goverment agencies that it is lawful! It's on the book kiddies! obama did not compromise or flip flop! they aren't being given immunity, because THEY BROKE NO UNITED STATES LAW! It is in court right now! Seems the stupid white house won't turn over the Att; Generals permission papers although sources have already come forward and stated permission was given by the att; General. Sorry, Repub's no flip flop here and no moveing to the middle!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:58 PM on 07/08/2008
- nellie I'm a Fan of nellie 502 fans permalink
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We're definitely in the spin cycle. Republicans are accusing Barack of changing his positions to become more centrist and manipulating the progressive media to repeat this narrative—while at the same maintaining that he is the most liberal senator in congress and running ads linking him to the Summer of Love. How old was he during Woodstock? Seven?

I have essentially turned off all receptors to all opinions until November. It's all nonsense. Today's MSNBC's "Race to the White House" was typical. People just lie lie lie, and other people just let them. It's "political silly season." Big time.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:22 PM on 07/08/2008
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Exactly. I've decided to simply bang my head repeatedly against a brick wall. It will have the same effect as watching the main stream media try to interpret force fed talking points!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:31 PM on 07/08/2008
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Precisely!

"Race to the WH", is lying even more than FNC now! Never thought that possible!

See you in November!

OBAMA08!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:42 PM on 07/08/2008
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Dave Gregory is annoying is all h-ell. They need to kick him off the show and replace him with Rachel Maddow and then let her choose her own guests and set up a format whereby they don't have to fight for 30 seconds to speak.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:58 PM on 07/08/2008
- evekendall I'm a Fan of evekendall 149 fans permalink
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Exactly. David Gregory just lets liars say anything they want to say without challenge. Consequently, rather than being informative, the show just enables the propagation of misleading information. No better than Faux News.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:57 PM on 07/08/2008
- SFkid I'm a Fan of SFkid 5 fans permalink

Have any of you read his books? Have any of you read his positions? or did you all just fall in love with the TV. The man is NOT a LIBERAL. He does NOT consider himself a Liberal. The only ones calling him Liberal are Republicans and Liberals themselves. Obama is a lot more moderate than you think.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:17 PM on 07/08/2008

BHO owns the most liberal voting record of any Senator,

He is left of left -- are you blind deaf AND dumb?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:25 PM on 07/08/2008
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I'm convinced that you are a gerbel who has escaped from its cage and stolen its way onto the internet. No human can be that stu-pid.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:33 PM on 07/08/2008

If you would actually take the time to read about his votes and what he was voting for instead of one sources questionable measurements, you'd find that you sir are the blind, deaf or dumb one.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:34 PM on 07/08/2008
- nellie I'm a Fan of nellie 502 fans permalink
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Actually, he is the 26th most liberal senator in congress according to his voting record. You need to do some research rather than repeating talk radio nonsense.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:45 PM on 07/08/2008
- k6007 I'm a Fan of k6007 237 fans permalink
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Who let rush's parrot out of it's cage?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:58 PM on 07/08/2008
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He is only trying to get accepted by mainstrea America. He will never win on an all left agenda.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:13 AM on 07/09/2008
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I agree. I think that many people mistakenly thought he was very liberal b/c of his anti-war stance. He is liberal on some issues, moderate on others. And frankly, in my opinion, wrong on some issues. That doesn't justify throwing the baby out with the bath water. Having liberals turn on Obama is exactly what the rethugs depend upon (the dems shooting themselves in the foot).

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:26 PM on 07/08/2008
- sharonh I'm a Fan of sharonh 241 fans permalink
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What anti-war stance, the one he says he has now, the one he used to have before he just didn't vote that day, or the one he'll have tomorrow?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:33 PM on 07/08/2008

Which is exactly why I got excited about his presidency to begin with. Finally a candidate that isn't pandering to the extreme left or right - because they are both wrong.

The extreme left's policies ran out to their eventual conclusion in the late 70s with stagflation, and the extreme right's now has finished it's course in the same exact outcome.

The great thing about Obama is that he's willing to try and take the best of both worlds and avoid the mistakes of both. That is why I will vote for him and continue to vote for him.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:31 PM on 07/08/2008

Yes I read both his books and it was pretty crystal clear to me he's a moderate, not far left nor far right -- doesn't surprise me not all his supporters read his books BUT these last few days I beginning to believe people didn't even listen to his speeches nor watch the debates!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:37 PM on 07/08/2008
- nellie I'm a Fan of nellie 502 fans permalink
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Exactly right. I'm amazed at the "progressive" outrage. It's as if people really didn't know who they were supporting.

That said, as an initial Edwards supporter—there was the progressive candidate, folks—I am squarely behind Obama. And no amount of media hype, distortion, manipulation, or whining is going to change that. We need to elect this man. He'll be a good president.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:41 PM on 07/08/2008

BHO is getting ready to throw you under the bus just like he threw his own grandmother and Rev. Wright under the bus in the primary.

BHO has no heart or soul.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:14 PM on 07/08/2008
- k6007 I'm a Fan of k6007 237 fans permalink
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I'm sure your bottom of his graduating class, 5 jet plane crashing, kept-man of a candidate, is JUST the man for the job.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:17 PM on 07/08/2008
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Put away the picnic and get out the bug spray, the tr0lls have arrived!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:19 PM on 07/08/2008
- meanguy I'm a Fan of meanguy 17 fans permalink

awww...did someone iterrupt your widdle echo party???? sis you hear a voice not singing the party line as written by the directorat??? welcome to America and free speech, comrade-if you can't take it, call a 'wahmbulance'

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:57 AM on 07/09/2008
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Well, it looks like the FISA bill will certainly pass tomorrow (short of a pure miracle, like the Senate Building collapsing from all the years of BS) and when it does, goodbye. The Democratic leadership is now as corrupt as any Republican. Worse, because the Republicans didn't lie to me. Barack Obama (let the record show) covered for Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, and Jay Rockefeller. They were in collusion with George W. Bush, Dick Cheney in illegal wiretapping AND torture. As much as I know that this has been the most terrible eight years and people are willing to do anything to see change, we didn't have to go down this particular path. We have been DEEPLY compromised as a party and as the group committed to take the power from the few and give the little man a fair shake. I suppose some will argue that it would have been catastrophic to send our DLC to prison, but it doesn't seem fair that just Republican criminals go to jail. Be content with your decisions in your life. I will in mine. I am ashamed of this country.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:01 PM on 07/08/2008

I truly respect your opinon as I am also disappointed in Pres. O over FISA. But don't you think one issue voting is a little shortsighted?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:08 PM on 07/08/2008

the constitution is a pretty big issue

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:11 PM on 07/08/2008

I have nothing to be ashamed of I didn't vote for Bush the first time nor the second time. The republicans have had 8 years to screw this country up -- only since November 07 did the dem's get enough clout to even start to address this mess, and still they don't have control of the congress so before I throw myself off the cliff I'll wait to see what happens with a democrat President and a democrat majority congress.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:17 PM on 07/08/2008
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Me too!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:27 PM on 07/08/2008
- nellie I'm a Fan of nellie 502 fans permalink
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Obama's position on the FISA bill—I get it. I don't agree with it, but I get it. The thing to remember is that criminal action is still possible under this bill. There is NO immunity from criminal prosecution of telecoms. Hopefully, the next administration will draft a better law to replace this one.

Don't be ashamed of the country. We currently have a sociopathic administration. These people have used the country instead of governing it. They have taken advantage of a system based on patriotism and responsibility to enrich themselves and pervert our justice system. The press is largely responsible for this. There was plenty of information available to alert the public about how destructive and unlawful this group would be, but instead the press obsessed on lies about Al Gore. Remember that during this primary season when the press tries to tell you what a great guy McCain is.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:37 PM on 07/08/2008
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BO needs to step up and remember who gave him 93% of their votes. With out my African American brothers he never would have won anything. Time to step up BO and represent all Americans not only conservative whites. Keep Hope Alive!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:01 PM on 07/08/2008
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Wha......?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:16 PM on 07/08/2008

Yeah well get in line and take a number that's the problem everyone one thinks they're special, Obama is "their candidate". What part of he wants to be the President of the United states didn't you get?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:20 PM on 07/08/2008
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Guilty as charged, he knows he moved to far to the center and got called out! See he still needs our vote, keep the pressure on. We know his minnions are reading this blog. If you don't think he has heard our voices, He moved to the far left today and is leaving Iraq again. We need to keep this guy on the side of hope and honesty. Keep hope alive!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:54 PM on 07/08/2008
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Poser.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:06 PM on 07/08/2008

Yeah i can smell the same stench of neocon troll too.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:11 PM on 07/08/2008
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Definitely.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:17 PM on 07/08/2008

Apparently also giving amnesty to all illegal aliens in the country as well according to his speech today. Not interested in securing the borders either. Exactly who is this person Obama?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:15 PM on 07/08/2008

Who is this person Obama? Apparently someone you didn't bother to get to know.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:22 PM on 07/08/2008
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Are you talking about the amnesty bill that MCCAIN WROTE? Pot meet kettle, kettle meet Pot.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:44 PM on 07/08/2008
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So Obama has always wanted to pull out of Iraq and send resources to Afghanistan (not a very anti-war message).

He is against mandates on UHC (a slightly right-leaning position).

He has been the most "faithish" of all the Democratic candidates during the primaries (a slightly right-leaning position).

He talks about parents taking personal responsibilities for their children because the state can't do it by itself (again, slightly right).

And all of a sudden people want to make him out like he was just to the left of Bernie Sanders. lmao

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:51 PM on 07/08/2008
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