Obama: I Haven't Moved To The Center

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LIZ SIDOTI | July 8, 2008 03:52 PM EST | AP

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Democratic presidential candidate, Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill, points to supporters during a town hall-style meeting in Powder Springs, Ga., Tuesday, July 8, 2008. (AP Photo/Jae C. Hong)

POWDER SPRINGS, Ga. — Asked by a voter about accusations of flip-flopping, Democrat Barack Obama dismissed the notion Tuesday that he has shifted stances on Iraq, guns and the death penalty to break with his party's liberal wing and court a wider swath of voters.

"The people who say this haven't apparently been listening to me," the likely Democratic presidential nominee said in response to a question at a town-hall style event.

Obama blamed criticism from "my friends on the left" and "some of the media" in part on cynicism that ascribes political motives for every move candidates make. "You're not going to agree with me on 100 percent of what I think, but don't assume that if I don't agree with you on something that it must be because I'm doing that politically," he said. "I may just disagree with you."

The Illinois senator was responding to a question from a self-described "reformed Republican" who said he worked for Democrat Bobby Kennedy four decades ago and thanked Obama for restoring "that faith."

"You had an interesting week of being accused of flip-flopping, which is mostly nonsense," the man said. He then asked Obama to restate his Iraq position, and Obama used the opportunity to dispel the idea he had generally changed his stances.

Since wrapping up the Democratic nomination last month, Obama has voiced positions that break with the Democratic Party's left and seem to shade his own past positions on a range of subjects. He's drawn criticism from some liberal Democrats who question his loyalty and from Republicans who accuse him of flip-flopping.

His remarks aside, Obama is clearly competing for the center of the electorate. Originally best known as an anti-Iraq war candidate, his general election commercials appear nonpartisan and make an obvious play for voters across the political spectrum by focusing on family values and patriotism as well as "welfare to work" and lower taxes.

Over the past few weeks, he angered liberals by supporting compromise electronic surveillance rules for the government's wiretapping program even though the bill provided immunity that he opposed last year for telecommunications companies that conducted warrantless eavesdropping. When the Supreme Court overturned the District of Columbia's gun ban, he said he favors both an individual's right to bear firearms and a government's right to regulate them.

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And, he broke with death penalty opponents when he disagreed with the Supreme Court's decision outlawing executions of people who rape children.

On Iraq, he has gone from a boisterous end-the-war call that endeared him to the left flank to more nuanced rhetoric. He has long called for a troop drawdown process that could last 16 months. Last week, he said his upcoming Iraq trip might lead him to refine, but not basically alter, his determination to pull U.S. troops out of combat in Iraq and that the safety of U.S. troops and the stability of Iraq might force him to adjust his timetable. It's a potentially flexible formulation that has troubled liberals even though he's said throughout his candidacy that the nation needs to be careful leaving Iraq.

"I am somebody who is no doubt progressive. I believe in a tax code that we need to make more fair. I believe in universal health care. I believe in making college affordable. I believe in paying our teachers more money. I believe in early childhood education," Obama told his audience here. "I believe in a whole lot of things that make me progressive and squarely in the Democratic camp."

But, he said: "I'm not just somebody who is talking about government as the solution to everything. I also believe in personal responsibility. I also believe in faith."

So, he said when he talks about the idea of recruiting churches and other religious groups to provide community services through faith-based initiatives, as he did last week, "that's not something new. I've been talking about that for years now. I've been organizing with churches for years in the community. So the notion that somehow that's me trying to look more centered, more centrist, is just not true."

He also raised the Supreme Court ruling that upheld the rights of individuals to bear arms and said: "I actually have said that I agree with that for years, even before the ruling came down." He said that doesn't contradict his view that "we've got decent controls over the use of illegal firearms in our community."

And, addressing the questioner's Iraq query, Obama drew cheers when he said: "I opposed this war from the start" and "I have also consistently said that once we were in, we had to be as careful getting out as we were careless getting in."

McCain spokesman Tucker Bounds argued Obama "put politics ahead of principle" on numerous issues and "has proven his rhetoric to be nothing but empty words and broken pledges that are at odds with his left wing partisan record. Barack Obama is wrong: everyone's been listening and still nobody knows what Barack Obama truly believes."

POWDER SPRINGS, Ga. — Asked by a voter about accusations of flip-flopping, Democrat Barack Obama dismissed the notion Tuesday that he has shifted stances on Iraq, guns and the death penalty to b...
POWDER SPRINGS, Ga. — Asked by a voter about accusations of flip-flopping, Democrat Barack Obama dismissed the notion Tuesday that he has shifted stances on Iraq, guns and the death penalty to b...
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- DRaymond I'm a Fan of DRaymond 68 fans permalink
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I found it amusing that the article mentioned the gun control ruling as an example of a shift when in fact you can find examples going a long way back of Obama saying that he felt that the second ammendment gave an individual right to own a gun. It is a prime example of those on the far left presuming that his opinion has been identical to theirs.

Its also amusing that folks would be presuming that Obama, who sought out the local churches to help with his organizing, would be against funding faith-based organizations.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:19 PM on 07/08/2008
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Sorry Mr. O but a recitation of standard moderate Dem positions linked with the assertion that this makes you a Progressive is nonsense.

I agree though that you are squarely in the Democratic Party but the Democratic Party has purged most of the Progressives and is filled with moderates and conservatives since the advent of the Clintons.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:18 PM on 07/08/2008
- Flagal I'm a Fan of Flagal 7 fans permalink

Is this H-illary supporters come out from under a rock day?
sheesh

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:24 PM on 07/08/2008
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Oooh, ick, HRC is even more to the right than moderate Mr. O. You sure don't seem to know much.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:28 PM on 07/08/2008
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I wish people would get it through their thick skulls that no candidate that has ever run on the extremes has ever won a general election. Even Boosh ran very much as a centrist candidate against G0re. Don't you people remember the debates where G0re had a hard time trying to separate his rhetoric from his own.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:18 PM on 07/08/2008
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Get educated. A Progressive is not on the "extreme".

Your asserting so is a prime example of how far to the right these definitions have been pulled and are now repeated as fact.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:23 PM on 07/08/2008
- Flagal I'm a Fan of Flagal 7 fans permalink

Do you think Hi-llary is progressive?
Just a yes or no answer.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:26 PM on 07/08/2008

In Sweden or France, Obama would be a right winger.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:30 PM on 07/08/2008

Get it through your thick skull, wanting the Constitution to be protected is "NOT" extreme position. If you want roll over and show your soft underbelly fine. That what the people in power want. Don't except people that care about this country and our rights to say nothing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:31 PM on 07/08/2008
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I don't agree with his FISA position either. But to me health care, Iraq and the economy are way more important to me on a personal level. If you really cared about the Constitution you would be railing against McBush and the Rethuglicans who supports rescinding Habeas Corpus and fight to end the Patriot Act which are far greater breaches on the Constitution than the FISA bill. At least the FISA bill calls for warrants when the Patriot Act allows PHYSICAL search and seizures to happen without warrants.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:36 PM on 07/08/2008
- JimR I'm a Fan of JimR 40 fans permalink

Get it through YOUR think skull, you can't always get what you want when you want. Until he gets elected, Obama is only a freshman junior senator.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:47 PM on 07/08/2008

It's not an extreme position but it is also not a fight worth fighting at this very moment. Unless you like to be framed by the GOP, of course.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:51 PM on 07/08/2008

Not supporting illegal government wiretapping - which Bush began prior to 9/11/2001 - does not put me on the 'extreme' edge of anything.

I have a bigger problem with Obama shifting positions than I do with his actual positions. It would be one thing for Obama to have said that supported secret illegal wiretapping and remained consistent with that position. But instead he sold himself to me and others based on particular ideas which he is now running from.

Wiretapping may not be important to you. Perhaps you have another issue that is of greater concern, like health care, torture, CIA prisons, ending the war etc. When Obama starts back tracking on the issue(s) that are important to you, then perhaps you'll understand the disappointment and anger of those who have been tossed off the bus.

We are not extreme, but god damn it we're pissed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:32 PM on 07/08/2008

What are you doing reprinting Liz Sidoti, or any AP political article? The entire AP is in the tank for McCain, and Sidoti is particularly starry-eyed. This has been amply documented in the last weeks, but for a sample try "When the AP takes sides" http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/16081.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:16 PM on 07/08/2008
- YRM I'm a Fan of YRM 9 fans permalink

Whatever happened to the old saying "Follow the money"? Politicians say things all the time. You can't judge them by that, but by their proximity group and its access to big bucks. Here's the candidate's top 20 donors, for instance: http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/contrib.php?cycle=2008&cid=N00009638
And here's a new article that looks at his proximity group: http://www.thecityedition.com/Pages/Archive/Summer08/BushThirdTerm.html
Get the facts and judge for yourself.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:14 PM on 07/08/2008
- Flagal I'm a Fan of Flagal 7 fans permalink

What a worthless post.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:21 PM on 07/08/2008
- Flagal I'm a Fan of Flagal 7 fans permalink

If you still are miserable and bitter about Hill why not get a life?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:23 PM on 07/08/2008
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The only problem with you logic is that all these donors total less than 6% of 0bama's total donations, moreover any one of these donors do not comprise 1% of his total contributions. So you final implication that 0bama is owned by these interests is false.

The numbers you really need to look into are the $60MM + so far that PACs have given to the RNC which does not have contribution limits. But then you are bought by the corporate media think.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:26 PM on 07/08/2008
- goldnchyl I'm a Fan of goldnchyl 13 fans permalink
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Facts can only be judged when you look at them all. http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/contrib.php?id=N00006424&cycle2=2008&goButt2.x=10&goButt2.y=12&goButt2=Submit

wow, fyi, the rnc website has all but stolen the layout of Obama's site. I don't mean to offend anyone but some repubs are truly repugs. Slick and slimy. Not a lick of sense among 'em. Ewww ... I feel like I need a shower.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:48 PM on 07/08/2008
- nuglet304 I'm a Fan of nuglet304 2 fans permalink
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who didn't see this comin?

those same radicals who moved so quickly to anoint the new messiah are, naturally, the first to turn him into a monster once he shows even a hint of individualism. honestly, how do those on the far left ever plan to get ANYTHING accomplished? finally, along comes the guy with the keys to your handcuffs, and you gnaw your arms off anyway.

it's getting easier and easier to see these characters in the same light that conservatives and moderates have shed on them for years. what better example do we need? enough's enough of this.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:12 PM on 07/08/2008
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The weird thing is, unless I missed something, Obama has been saying the same thing about Iraq since his campaign has started.

It's always been something like, in the situation we have now we should be able to draw down one or two brigades a month. Situations may change, and we need to be able to change with the situation. We need to be as careful getting out as we were going in.

The GOP just started calling this a flip-flop, and the braindead MSM followed suit without actually listening to what Obama has consistently said on the issue.

I'm not sure how that's a flip-flop.
I do think the whole "faith" bit is a whole load of pandering though...

He's still a lot better than the alternative.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:12 PM on 07/08/2008
- Sarahjan I'm a Fan of Sarahjan 6 fans permalink

“We also must remember that Abraham Lincoln suspended habeas corpus during the Civil War.”

Fabienne

But I think that was logical and legitimate. Unlike Bush misuse of the executive power, the suspension of habeas corpus under Lincoln was justified because it was done in the name of national security. We all want to see Barack Obama to act more like the statesman that he is and can be and work towards restoring America's image and place in eyes of the world. It is heavy burden but he must do it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:08 PM on 07/08/2008

Obama or McCain. I don't care as long as they support the surge and off shore drilling. I like where Obama is going. As long as he ain't a liberal in disguise. He's got alot of Richie Daley in him only he can give a better speech.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:57 PM on 07/08/2008
- joeyp404 I'm a Fan of joeyp404 4 fans permalink
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"The people who say this haven't apparently been listening to me,"

"I may just disagree with you."

You you think he did the whole Bill Clinton finger wagging thing when he made this speech?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:56 PM on 07/08/2008
- swooge I'm a Fan of swooge 13 fans permalink
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That's right you haven't moved to the center. You were always there.

Faith-based initiatives......HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

Vote swooge....the common sense lefty.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:55 PM on 07/08/2008
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No according to Republicans he's the most liberal US Senator. If he's the most liberal US Senator than I guess we have no candidates in the Democratic Senate that are left enough.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:12 PM on 07/08/2008
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What, so you let the Republicans define what is "liberal" for you and then state it as fact?

How nuts.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:28 PM on 07/08/2008
- pupbayer I'm a Fan of pupbayer 23 fans permalink

According to The National Journal, he is the most liberal Senator. The National Journal is not a Republican publication.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:16 PM on 07/08/2008

James McMurtry had something to say about this:

Actual song: "Out Here in the Middle"

Out here in the middle
Where the center's on the right
And the ghost of William Jennings Bryan preaches every night
To save the lonely souls
in the dashboard lights
Wish you were here my love
Wish you were here my love

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:49 PM on 07/08/2008
- evekendall I'm a Fan of evekendall 155 fans permalink
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I'm a huge James McMurtry fan. His new album "Just Us Kids" is searing. Thanks for the post.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:49 PM on 07/08/2008

love that song.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:54 PM on 07/08/2008
- ohiodem250 I'm a Fan of ohiodem250 28 fans permalink

The problem is the perceived Democrat archetype is the smart kid who got bullied and the perceived Republican archetype is the tough kid who pounds faces. I must say, neither party does much to dispel those perceptions. Now, from what I learned about dealing with bullies (because I was the smart kid who got bullied so maybe there is something to this archetype) there are three ways to deal with it. Stand up and fight back (usually results in getting your face pounded), tell the teacher (isolates you and subjects you to wider bullying), or, perhaps the most effective, develop a friendly personality and rally the rest of your classmates around you thus isolating the bully. Which one of those sounds like Obama and which one the progressive bloggers?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:45 PM on 07/08/2008
- darthdarcy I'm a Fan of darthdarcy 48 fans permalink
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Look Obama is 60% a Republican, but Hillary was 80% one too and Edwards only 40% that was the best hope we had for Real Change..Edwards, but the Democrats blew it so now we're stuck the important thing is to vote Against McCain and all Republican fascist corporate thieving swine...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:42 PM on 07/08/2008
- libbygirl I'm a Fan of libbygirl 7 fans permalink

I don't have to support all of the decisions that Obama makes but I believe in him and his desire to make this a better country/world for everyone. No matter what he does he can't possibly make everyone happy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:41 PM on 07/08/2008
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