Obama: I Haven't Moved To The Center

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LIZ SIDOTI | July 8, 2008 03:52 PM EST | AP

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Democratic presidential candidate, Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill, points to supporters during a town hall-style meeting in Powder Springs, Ga., Tuesday, July 8, 2008. (AP Photo/Jae C. Hong)

POWDER SPRINGS, Ga. — Asked by a voter about accusations of flip-flopping, Democrat Barack Obama dismissed the notion Tuesday that he has shifted stances on Iraq, guns and the death penalty to break with his party's liberal wing and court a wider swath of voters.

"The people who say this haven't apparently been listening to me," the likely Democratic presidential nominee said in response to a question at a town-hall style event.

Obama blamed criticism from "my friends on the left" and "some of the media" in part on cynicism that ascribes political motives for every move candidates make. "You're not going to agree with me on 100 percent of what I think, but don't assume that if I don't agree with you on something that it must be because I'm doing that politically," he said. "I may just disagree with you."

The Illinois senator was responding to a question from a self-described "reformed Republican" who said he worked for Democrat Bobby Kennedy four decades ago and thanked Obama for restoring "that faith."

"You had an interesting week of being accused of flip-flopping, which is mostly nonsense," the man said. He then asked Obama to restate his Iraq position, and Obama used the opportunity to dispel the idea he had generally changed his stances.

Since wrapping up the Democratic nomination last month, Obama has voiced positions that break with the Democratic Party's left and seem to shade his own past positions on a range of subjects. He's drawn criticism from some liberal Democrats who question his loyalty and from Republicans who accuse him of flip-flopping.

His remarks aside, Obama is clearly competing for the center of the electorate. Originally best known as an anti-Iraq war candidate, his general election commercials appear nonpartisan and make an obvious play for voters across the political spectrum by focusing on family values and patriotism as well as "welfare to work" and lower taxes.

Over the past few weeks, he angered liberals by supporting compromise electronic surveillance rules for the government's wiretapping program even though the bill provided immunity that he opposed last year for telecommunications companies that conducted warrantless eavesdropping. When the Supreme Court overturned the District of Columbia's gun ban, he said he favors both an individual's right to bear firearms and a government's right to regulate them.

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And, he broke with death penalty opponents when he disagreed with the Supreme Court's decision outlawing executions of people who rape children.

On Iraq, he has gone from a boisterous end-the-war call that endeared him to the left flank to more nuanced rhetoric. He has long called for a troop drawdown process that could last 16 months. Last week, he said his upcoming Iraq trip might lead him to refine, but not basically alter, his determination to pull U.S. troops out of combat in Iraq and that the safety of U.S. troops and the stability of Iraq might force him to adjust his timetable. It's a potentially flexible formulation that has troubled liberals even though he's said throughout his candidacy that the nation needs to be careful leaving Iraq.

"I am somebody who is no doubt progressive. I believe in a tax code that we need to make more fair. I believe in universal health care. I believe in making college affordable. I believe in paying our teachers more money. I believe in early childhood education," Obama told his audience here. "I believe in a whole lot of things that make me progressive and squarely in the Democratic camp."

But, he said: "I'm not just somebody who is talking about government as the solution to everything. I also believe in personal responsibility. I also believe in faith."

So, he said when he talks about the idea of recruiting churches and other religious groups to provide community services through faith-based initiatives, as he did last week, "that's not something new. I've been talking about that for years now. I've been organizing with churches for years in the community. So the notion that somehow that's me trying to look more centered, more centrist, is just not true."

He also raised the Supreme Court ruling that upheld the rights of individuals to bear arms and said: "I actually have said that I agree with that for years, even before the ruling came down." He said that doesn't contradict his view that "we've got decent controls over the use of illegal firearms in our community."

And, addressing the questioner's Iraq query, Obama drew cheers when he said: "I opposed this war from the start" and "I have also consistently said that once we were in, we had to be as careful getting out as we were careless getting in."

McCain spokesman Tucker Bounds argued Obama "put politics ahead of principle" on numerous issues and "has proven his rhetoric to be nothing but empty words and broken pledges that are at odds with his left wing partisan record. Barack Obama is wrong: everyone's been listening and still nobody knows what Barack Obama truly believes."

POWDER SPRINGS, Ga. — Asked by a voter about accusations of flip-flopping, Democrat Barack Obama dismissed the notion Tuesday that he has shifted stances on Iraq, guns and the death penalty to b...
POWDER SPRINGS, Ga. — Asked by a voter about accusations of flip-flopping, Democrat Barack Obama dismissed the notion Tuesday that he has shifted stances on Iraq, guns and the death penalty to b...
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- fourex I'm a Fan of fourex 17 fans permalink
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Warrant less domestic spying is in the center of what political entity?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:54 PM on 07/08/2008
- seejake I'm a Fan of seejake 10 fans permalink
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he's been consistent on everything except his flip-flop on FISA. that's just completely inexcusable!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:53 PM on 07/08/2008
- harriscrl3 I'm a Fan of harriscrl3 191 fans permalink

I know who he was all along. Progressive in ideology pragmatic in solutions. In the primary he emphasized his progressive ideology in the general he focus more on his pragmatic solutions. But it was always there. I spent hours reading up on his policies 8 months ago I had no clue who he was. In that interim I read his books his political career. I couldnt get enough of reading policies. Perhaps because I have been waiting for decades for someone like this to come along in politics. I was worried when people ask some of these so called swooning supporters do you know something he has accomplish and they couldnt think of anything why do you like him and they couldnt think of anything. I listened to everything he said. I heard the parts about individual responsiblity, I believe in free trade, I believe in the free market, I'm not oppose to wars just dumb wars. I worried that people didnt really get him but I did. He has such as sound analythic mind but we seem to prefer binary responses in our politicians. So when he talks about NOT being like other politican he is NOT. But sadly we are a soundbite culture. We dont even think critically anymore even people on the left.

Carol

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:53 PM on 07/08/2008

"I know who he was all along. Progressive in ideology pragmatic in solutions. In the primary he emphasized his progressive ideology in the general he focus more on his pragmatic solutions. But it was always there. I spent hours reading up on his policies 8 months ago I had no clue who he was. In that interim I read his books his political career. I couldnt get enough of reading policies. Perhaps because I have been waiting for decades for someone like this to come along in politics. I was worried when people ask some of these so called swooning supporters do you know something he has accomplish and they couldnt think of anything why do you like him and they couldnt think of anything. I listened to everything he said. I heard the parts about individual responsiblity, I believe in free trade, I believe in the free market, I'm not oppose to wars just dumb wars. I worried that people didnt really get him but I did. He has such as sound analythic mind but we seem to prefer binary responses in our politicians. So when he talks about NOT being like other politican he is NOT. But sadly we are a soundbite culture. We dont even think critically anymore even people on the left."

Nail right on the head. Some of you just don't "get it" Democrats lose elections on emotional issues. Fisa is a emotional "safety issue"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:03 PM on 07/08/2008
- bbrecht I'm a Fan of bbrecht 22 fans permalink
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You are both wrong-- Americans don't want to be spied on. The only people who benefit from his flip flop on FISA are the telecom companies and the criminals in the Bush administration. Democrats lose when they try to play to the center & flip on issues, or when they get caught in the spokes of special interests and can't speak clearly anymore on the issues. People vote by and large for who they trust; democrats appear weak and untrustworthy when they don't follow through on their ideals. Obama could have explained his original FISA position and would have received widespread support from the American people.

I'm okay with Obama being centrist on some issues-- but I'm not okay with him saying he supports renegotiating NAFTA and then says-- oh I was just kidding. Or saying he'll filabuster the FISA bill, and then voting to support it.

He'll not win without enthusiastic support from progressives.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:58 PM on 07/08/2008
- editrix66 I'm a Fan of editrix66 11 fans permalink

Carol, you are absolutely right. Obama is my U.S. senator, and he has been saying the same things since he was a state senator. People should stop projecting what they want onto Obama and begin reading his speeches, positions, and books.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:34 PM on 07/08/2008
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Well said Carol.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:41 PM on 07/08/2008
- lainey I'm a Fan of lainey 53 fans permalink

Poetic Carol. Fortunately there are more of us who did our homework than those who did not, and therefore this is just a blip in the road. I am glad that he did address it today. Maybe people will listen to his words and not Liz's comments in between. Her agenda is obvious...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:01 PM on 07/08/2008
- dayala I'm a Fan of dayala 22 fans permalink

thanks for a well thought-out enlightening perspective on Obama.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:01 PM on 07/08/2008

Obama is correct in that he has not moved to the center.
He is simply dancing around it, backwards, in heels.
Unfortunately for Barack, most of the folks that could do that wore heels when dancing that well.
Hence the saying that "Ginger could do everything Fred could do, she just did it backwards & in heels".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:51 PM on 07/08/2008

One word....Right

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:51 PM on 07/08/2008
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Off topic but, I just had to post this from another site. It had to be the most honest post I saw from a Republican blogger.

samwisegamji Wrote:
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> I am also a Republican voting for 0bama.
>
> I just want to hand over the administration to the
> Democrats so that we can blame them in four
> years.
>
> Sick and tired of getting blamed for everything.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:48 PM on 07/08/2008

Uh yeah, that pretty much sums up the sentiment.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:50 PM on 07/08/2008

I am a conservative as well, and I understand exactly what that person is saying.

Maybe if we elect a democrat the left will join me in once again believing that this is the greatest nation ever.

To me, that would be worth having someone who disagrees with me in office.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:54 PM on 07/08/2008

And McLame is just the guy to take it out on.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:00 PM on 07/08/2008
- comacoma I'm a Fan of comacoma 15 fans permalink

Maybe you wouldn't get blamed if you weren't so damn guilty.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:07 PM on 07/08/2008

Hand it over, buddy!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:14 PM on 07/08/2008
- novowel4me I'm a Fan of novowel4me 2 fans permalink

Actually Bush and company have blamed everything on Clinton for going on eight years. Haven't you heard that Bill set the current recession up just before he left office and managed to do it in spite of the scrutiny of a GOP congress for his final six years? I guess that budget surplus Bill left Bush was just a time bomb waiting to explode.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:51 PM on 07/08/2008
- several I'm a Fan of several 6 fans permalink
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I'm so glad he took the time to point out what is obvious to those of us who have bothered reading "The Audacity of Hope" and who have been following his speeches and debates all along.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:46 PM on 07/08/2008
- joeyp404 I'm a Fan of joeyp404 4 fans permalink
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Oh, those who haven't bothered reading his books are terrible folks.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:57 PM on 07/08/2008
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no, those who haven't been following his speeches and debates are just incredibly uninformed...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:16 PM on 07/08/2008
- JimR I'm a Fan of JimR 42 fans permalink

People aren't into facts these days.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:34 PM on 07/08/2008
- PingMama I'm a Fan of PingMama 4 fans permalink

Same here. Perhaps the Republicans should read his book too.

It's amazing how voters and the MSM have really not paid attention to what Obama has said all along.

He has said from the beginning that the Iraq withdrawal timeframe of 16 months is a benchmark, and it's based on what the generals on the ground recommend. Safety of our troops is paramount.

People...................................LISTEN and pay attention.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:06 PM on 07/08/2008
- joeyp404 I'm a Fan of joeyp404 4 fans permalink
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From here it looks like he's doing the hokey pokey.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:41 PM on 07/08/2008

You mean from camp McCain?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:48 PM on 07/08/2008
- joeyp404 I'm a Fan of joeyp404 4 fans permalink
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No from Camp Reality-Check. He's got that hot under the collar, how dare you question me attitude he used to get with Hillary. It's not very endearing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:26 PM on 07/08/2008
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the flip flop express...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:41 PM on 07/08/2008
- Peteyman I'm a Fan of Peteyman 2 fans permalink

Are you kidding me? Grandpa would probably break his hip doing the hokey pokey.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:46 PM on 07/08/2008

The 'old' politics will be confused on this, among other things. There has never been a candidate like Obama. The critics out there, imbellished in their 'comfort zone' of labeling, don't know how else to explain it but that way. I hope there's rise in competent journalists when the Bush and McSame administration are finally out of office.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:40 PM on 07/08/2008
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"His remarks aside, Obama is clearly competing for the center of the electorate."

(?)

What's actually clear is that the AP is mischaracterizing Obama's statements in an effort to sell his positions as a change. It's beginning to draw scrutiny at Talking Points Memo, and even Brave New Films. I offer the following for those interested in this latest strange behavior of the Associated Press:

http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/07/associated_press_pet_owners_pr.php

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWYynwrUpSw&eurl=http://talkingpointsmemo.com/

It's kind of interesting, who are these people filing stories for the AP anyway. Here's the authors press pass I got from Google images:

http://asapblogs.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/2007/05/09/liz_sidoti.jpg

Does anyone know where these reporters comes from? I have a feeling Glenn Greenwald should be working on this. Is the AP becoming the new FOX?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:39 PM on 07/08/2008
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her last name is an anagram for Idiots...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:43 PM on 07/08/2008
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I have supported Obama since 2004 and am not surprised one tiny bit on his positions. I would dare say most of his supporters, actually having read and listened regarding his positions, are not surprised either. I supported Obama specifically because of his partially centrist positions, and his desire to unite rather than gridlock. He supports progressive issues, but he is no Dennis Kucinich for sure. I know many progressives have always been alarmed by his saying that he will include Republicans in his decisions,etc... and Hillary Clinton made a whole campaign over the fact that she was a "fighter" and Obama wasn't... (which BTW, of course, was not true.)

I think Obama is perfectly justified in saying that he shouldn't be accused of being "political" because he doesn't agree with progressives on everything. All this talk of changing to the center is absolutely ridiculous, based on ignorance, and media driven.

Of course, its not even worth mentioning that many of his vociferous critics here can count the number of days they have supported him with the fingers on their hands... if, in fact, they even support him... not to mention the many who are here just to try to confuse... man, are they WAY OFF in their assumptions!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:36 PM on 07/08/2008
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Very well said.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:30 PM on 07/08/2008
- Fabienne I'm a Fan of Fabienne 31 fans permalink

Yes, very well said.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:40 PM on 07/08/2008
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Positions refer to policies that are supported that are constitutionally legislated upon.

The FISA thing is a whole different ball of wax. It is a fundamental constitutional issue.

Of all the individual rights in the constitution, only the Great Writ is enshrined in the actual body of the constitution. The 4th amendment is a direct corollary of Habeas Corpus.

As a constitutional scholar, he knows better.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:50 PM on 07/08/2008

You would have a very hard time arguing that a computer monitoring a sea of electronic data (our communications), picking out specific patterns it is programmed to identify in the wide expanse of international chatter, red flagging potential terrorist activity to be later analyzed under the authority of a warrant - represents a violation of due process. In fact, the programming of the computer itself should be designed to identify situations of "probable cause", and I believe BO will fight to make sure this is the case.

The Bill of Rights did not foresee electronic chatter... and the very spirit of the provision of suspension of Habeas Corpus is based on the premise that the law should not hinder our efforts to protect the Union. You can say "basket surveillance" is a violation of due process, but saying it doesn't make it so.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:15 PM on 07/08/2008
- ATL78 I'm a Fan of ATL78 5 fans permalink

Well said and so true!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:11 PM on 07/08/2008
- mox I'm a Fan of mox permalink

I consider myself to be pretty liberal.
I have always seen Obama as a candidate with broad appeal. What has come out over the past few weeks is no different from the way his campaign has been run from the beginning. He is making an effort to be a candidate for the largest group of people possible. He's making a very strong organized effort to win this election. And this effort is not all that different from the way any successful bid for the White House has been run recently.
I see nothing wrong with Obama speaking his mind and picking up new voters along the way.
It's not flip-flopping. It's bringing voters from all walks of life into his campaign.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:34 PM on 07/08/2008
- kay I'm a Fan of kay 172 fans permalink

According to the secretary of state's office, 55,560 more Democrats than Republicans are on the active voter rolls in Nevada, as of the end of June. The gap widened from 50,020 in May and represents 5 percent of the 1,031,984 active voters.

These are TANGIBLE results of the voter reg emphasis. I just don't know how you complain about that.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:34 PM on 07/08/2008

Off topic Kay.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:37 PM on 07/08/2008
- kay I'm a Fan of kay 172 fans permalink

OK, skelton. Ignore the practical. Ignore all that actually effects change.

Just scream and yell a lot. That's worked so well in the past.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:40 PM on 07/08/2008

Makes sense and demonstrated by the circus Nevada proved to be months ago.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:16 PM on 07/08/2008
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Liz Sidoti - do you know the difference between journalism and propaganda.. What kind of pair of sentence is

"His remarks aside, Obama is clearly competing for the center of the electorate. Originally best known as an anti-Iraq war candidate, his latest commercials make an obvious play for voters across the political spectrum by focusing on family values and patriotism as well as "welfare to work" and lower taxes." ???

First of all, the first sentence is a dubious accusation which Obama (and many others) deny and dispute. The secend sentence, which in middle school English is a supporting sentence meant to give support to the first sentence, neither supports the first sentence nor proves anything on its face: why is being "anti-war" contradicted by being patriotic, having family values or seeking to lower the tax burden of the middle class.

I was one of the citizens who early on - last year - read Audacity of Hope and downloaded PDFs of the "Blueprint" and other position papers from Obama's web site and actually listened keenly to all early debates. And frankly I don't see a shift... I see the left waking up to the idea that they haven't really listened to everything Obama has been saying until now.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:34 PM on 07/08/2008

It seems he drew the largest protest over FISA, which to most people "out there" is probably an unknown issue or it seems exceedingly complex, and their eyes glaze over. For those passionate about the constitution, it is a no-compromise type of issue.

As for guns, I think the Supremes completely and deliberately mis-read the constitution, but as the owner of three weapons, they really just comfirmed the de facto reality that this is a nation of gun owners, get over it, and think most of us are. This is a non-issue.

On Iraq, Obama should be slamming McCain because whatever the violence level in that illegal occupation, it bleeds the effort to get and neutralize the people who attacked us, Al Quada. He should be beating McCain over the head with this fact.

The church funding issue, again, Tom Jefferson would be aghast, but the funding amount -- $500 million is a pittance.

So he's chosen some symbolic issues, for the most part, to "move to the center," not a big deal, yet.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:33 PM on 07/08/2008
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