The Struggle To Define Barack Obama

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First Posted: 07- 8-08 12:11 AM   |   Updated: 07-15-08 05:12 AM

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The struggle to define Barack Obama over the next seventeen weeks will pit the two presidential campaigns against each other, along with independent 527 groups determined to put their own stamp on the contest. Just as importantly, the battle will take place in the context of the contemporary politics of race.

On the Democratic side, the drive will be to portray Obama as a success story, an exemplar of deeply-rooted American egalitarian traditions, significantly advancing the national commitment to freedom and justice.

On the Republican side, the effort will be, rather, to link Obama to the powerful negative stereotypes of black Americans that were once widely prevalent, triggering bias -- proponents of such ads hope -- and stirring up the kind of race prejudice which underpinned that other American tradition -- slavery and Jim Crow.

Republican operatives, including Floyd Brown who engineered the infamous Willie Horton ad of 1988 are already gearing up. David Mark and Kenneth P. Vogel of Politico write:

Opposition researchers . . . hope they have found a weapon to wound Obama in his own voice as recorded for the Grammy-Award winning audio version of his 1995 memoir, Dreams from my Father. . . . In a passage describing his high school experience in Hawaii, for example, Obama explains the allure of drugs. "I kept playing basketball, attended classes sparingly, drank beer heavily, and tried drugs enthusiastically."

Floyd Brown told Mark and Vogel "My copy of [Dreams] is dog-eared and covered with yellow marker. . . . I expect to use his words a lot in the ads that I do. . . . and I would highly encourage other independent efforts - or the [McCain] campaign itself - to do the same thing."

Two of Obama's own first post-primary ads are designed to counter attempts to frame him with discredited negative stereotypes of black Americans.

In a commercial titled "Dignity" the announcer declares that Obama "passed a law to move people from welfare to work, slashed the rolls by eighty percent....And never forget the dignity that comes from work."

Similarly, in "The Country I Love", Obama tells voters:

America is a country of strong families and strong values. My life's been blessed by both. I was raised by a single mom and my grandparents. We didn't have much money, but they taught me values straight from the Kansas heartland where they grew up. Accountability and self-reliance. Love of country. Working hard without making excuses. ....That's why I passed laws moving people from welfare to work, cut taxes for working families and extended health care for wounded troops who'd been neglected. I approved this message because I'll never forget those values, and if I have the honor of taking the oath of office as president, it will be with a deep and abiding faith in the country I love.
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The side that successfully defines Obama is the side likely to win on November 4.

The racially-tinged 'framing' battle over Obama began in earnest during his primary fight against Hillary Clinton. Bill Clinton's pointed comparison of Obama to Jesse Jackson after the South Carolina primary was designed to link Obama to an earlier black candidate for the presidency who had a much more limited appeal to white voters. Hillary Clinton sought to raise similar concerns when she told USA Today, "Senator Obama's support among working, hard-working Americans, white Americans, is weakening again, and...whites in both states who had not completed college were supporting me."

Nothing, however, more gravely threatened Obama's image as a "post-racial" candidate than the disclosure of the content of sermons by Jeremiah Wright, Obama's religious mentor and pastor for 20 years, the man who married Obama and who baptized his children. In one sermon, Wright declared: "No, no, no, not God Bless America. God damn America." In another sermon, Wright told the congregation, "We bombed Hiroshima, we bombed Nagasaki, and we nuked far more than the thousands in New York and the Pentagon, and we never batted an eye... and now we are indignant, because the stuff we have done overseas is now brought back into our own front yards. America's chickens are coming home to roost."

In an effort to gain some insight into the historical antecedents of this debate, the Huffington Post asked a number of political and academic experts who have studied racial politics for their assessments. Most were asked a version of the following question:

How would you explain how this country has gone from a segregated South at the start of the 1960s to the Democratic nomination of an African-American candidate for president, less than 50 years later?

The replies ran the gamut from optimistic to the pessimistic.

Robert D. Putnam, the Peter and Isabel Malkin Professor of Public Policy at Harvard and author of Bowling Alone wrote:

My main thought is that LBJ was exactly right when he said, upon signing the 1964 Civil Rights Bill, that the Democrats were writing off the South (and thus national power) for a generation. It's been just about that long, and it may be a bit longer yet before the South fully rejoins the rest of the country, but we are now seeing the long-term effects of the Civil Rights revolution on younger generations, in the sense that for my kids and especially my grandchildren race is much less a big deal in public affairs. I don't mean that racism is dead, of course, especially in private life, but it has been delegitimated almost entirely in public now, especially for the youngest cohort of voters. I think that the Clintons paid a significant political price for even appearing to play the race card this spring, and I think the same would be true now for McCain, at least among people under 50. Social scientists have charted the generational trend toward greater racial tolerance for decades now, and the only question was whether young generations really meant it. Their votes this spring proved that they did. That generational sea-change is, of course, the primary reason for the sharp age gradient in support for Obama this spring. The thing about generational replacement is that it comes very slowly, over a matter of 50 years (as new voters enter the electorate and old voters leave), but once underway, it is inexorable.


To be sure, issues like Reverend Wright can set back the cause (ironically, because his black nationalism was so gratingly out-of-tune), and I'm not saying that Obama's election is a sure thing. But the direction of history seems to me pretty clear, and I think LBJ had it about right.


Notre Dame political scientist Darren Davis, who is African American, has a far bleaker view:

Sure, there has been some racial progress and the black middle class has expanded. But, American society is still largely segregated and blacks continue to be at the low end of every conceivable socioeconomic measure. And, one can infer only so much racial progress from the nomination of Barack Obama. Once Obama was racialized -- toward the end of the primaries -- racial issues seem to stick to him more than at the beginning when people were not viewing him through a racial lens. When Obama was effectively framed as black, whites' support declined and black support increased.


People want to assume that Willie Horton is a thing of the past, but the Willie Horton commercial would work today! Please don't misunderstand. There has been racial progress, but the success of the Obama campaign is not the best measure of racial progress. My basis for saying this is that I do not think a random black person would have the same success. Obama's success is due in part to his position on the issues, his eloquence, his ability to communicate, and let's not forget, the state of our country.

A better measure of racial progress is when the country can elect a black person who can speak directly on racial issues, embrace traditional civil rights leaders and associations, and who can maintain associations with people who may have different perceptions of country.

Pollster John Zogby, in turn, sees a different world from Davis:

The America of 2008 is far removed from that of 1988-- let alone the 1950s. In short form, we have had two structural recessions in 1982 and 1991 that moved us away from the manufacturing economy toward services and information. And many of the blue collars of the past have sent their children to community colleges, public and private universities. No one dreams of their kids joining the working class. What has thus happened is an explosion of what some call "the creative class" -- 30 million strong and growing, with a far more cosmopolitan worldview and not competing for a diminishing piece of a diminishing pie of jobs. Add to this what my research is finding about America's First Global generation -- 18-29 year olds with passports who are more likely to call themselves 'citizens of the planet Earth' before they see themselves as US citizens. They have grown up in a diverse world, are much more likely to appreciate multi-ethnicity, multilateralism, and do not even see Obama as an African American candidate.

UCLA political scientist Lynn Vavreck:

While it is tempting to consider Obama's likely nomination as a sign of progress in terms of the conditions in which African Americans are integrated into American society, I think it is also important to realize that this is one man's success -- and he happens to be multi-racial with a black identity. There are a lot of communities in America, a lot of segments of society, that are still struggling. It is critical to look to Obama as a role model for minority populations, not as a sign that these groups have been fully integrated....


So, yes, 40 years after the voting rights act we have our first black nominee of a major party.... Obama's nomination is not the culmination of decades or even centuries of tolerance and changing attitudes -- it is the beginning, a perfect-storm-provided opportunity to 'pass go' and skip forward on the path toward racial equality....Reality has provided us with this moment and this candidate -- and we should use it to continue the movement toward equality of opportunity, of rights, and of protection for all under-represented groups. Let one man's equality be a mirror reflecting the inequalities experienced by others.

Notre Dame Political Scientist David Leege writes

My guess is that behind the figures indicating a close contest for the presidency are about 17-19% of white Democrats and independent leaners who will find other reasons for their vote, but at heart it is anti-African American. My guess is that about 11-13% of white Republicans and independent leaners--racial moderates--who could embrace Obama would do so because they are embarrassed by their own party's campaign strategy and their beloved nation's paradoxical racial history. McCain may be too honorable to overtly support the racially-tinged politics of Reagan and the two Bushes. His challenge will be to rein in a staff of political pros who learned their not-so-secrets of political success over the last 30-40 years. McCain has to keep them on persona and patriotism, along with general words about economic renewal and environment. I anticipate a goodly share of apologies.


Finally, as a scholar of religion and politics, I am watching the formation of rival coalitions based on what I call the theology of fear and the theology of hope. The former has been with us for several decades in the forces of order, exclusion, and war. The latter has been loosely fragmented among progressive white Catholics, mainline Protestants, and younger, educated evangelicals. If the latter coalition crystallizes and joins African Americans, Jews, most Hispanics, and seculars in 2008 and thereafter, the electoral map will indeed change. Many of these are the same kinds of people--socially, psychologically, and spiritually--who were behind the bipartisan coalition that empowered the civil rights acts of the early '60s.

Republican pollster Whit Ayres argues:

Barack Obama's rise is but the latest example that American is the most amazing country on earth. It is virtually inconceivable that a European nation, an Asian nation, or a South American nation could move legally and culturally from enforced segregation to an African-American candidate for President in 50 years. It is particularly striking to realize that Obama's parents' bi-racial union was illegal not that long ago. It reinforces a fundamental tenet of America's civic religion, that this truly is a land of opportunity.

Al From, founder and chief executive officer of the Democratic Leadership Council contends:

This country is a great country that has made tremendous economic and social progress in the last half century. We still have a ways to go, but we are ever coming closer to reaching a dream that seemed so far when I worked for the War on Poverty in the Deep South four decades ago. The animating principle of America is equal opportunity and the idea that with hard work anyone here can get as far as his or her talents would allow. It would not happen in any other country.

Survey data over the past 50 years show a steady liberalization of American views, but opinion specialists argue that racial attitudes remain a difficult subject to accurately gauge though polls.

A June Washington Post/ABC poll - "Obama's Candidacy Underscores Crosscurrents of Race and Politics" - noted public ambivalence.

The survey citied the

deep crosscurrents in racial attitudes. On the positive side, a record number of whites and blacks alike say they have a friend of the other race - 92 percent of blacks and 79 percent of whites, both new highs in polls dating back a generation. The growth of interracial friendships has been dramatic; in 1981 just 54 percent of whites, and 69 percent of blacks, reported a friend of the other race. At the same time, three in 10 Americans admit to harboring at least some feelings of racial prejudice of their own - 30 percent of whites, and about as many blacks, 34 percent.
In addition, pollsters have frequently cited the "Bradley effect," referring to the reluctance of a small percentage of whites to admit that they intend to vote against a black candidate - a phenomenon first noticed in the 1982 campaign of Los Angeles Mayor Tom Bradley for governor of California.

Ten years ago, the Pew Center found another serious weakness in surveys examining racial attitudes: "People who are reluctant to participate in telephone surveys seem to be somewhat less sympathetic to blacks and other minorities than those willing to respond to poll questions." There has been poll data suggesting the public is more liberal on matters of race than it actually is.

Conversely, a February, 2007, Pew Research study concluded "that racism may be less of a factor in public judgments about African American candidates than it was 10 or 20 years ago." The authors, Scott Keeter and Nilanthi Samaranayake, found that while

No one would deny that race still matters in U.S. politics. For the past half century, the political parties have been increasingly divided in their positions on racial issues, and that, in turn, has affected voters' decisions to call themselves Republicans or Democrats. But this review of exit polls and electoral outcomes in several recent elections suggests that fewer people are making judgments about candidates based solely, or even mostly, on race itself, and that relatively few people are now unwilling to tell pollsters how they honestly feel about particular candidates. In such an environment, the high standing of Barack Obama in presidential polling -- or, for that matter, of Colin Powell prior to the 1996 presidential election -- represents a significant change in American politics.

More recently, a June, 2008, Pew study found that:

A solid majority of Americans say it as at least somewhat important to the country that an African American has won the presidential nomination of a major political party. But there are wide political and racial divisions over the significance of Barack Obama's history-making achievement.
The struggle to define Barack Obama over the next seventeen weeks will pit the two presidential campaigns against each other, along with independent 527 groups determined to put their own stamp on the...
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- DRaymond I'm a Fan of DRaymond 65 fans permalink
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"How would you explain how this country has gone from a segregated South at the start of the 1960s to the Democratic nomination of an African-American candidate for president, less than 50 years later?"

Frankly I think it has taken a number of particular circumstances to have it happen so soon. First of all an election without an incumbent, vice president running or particularly obvious successor. Second a political environment with two huge isues (war and economy) that clearly overwhelm race in voters minds. Third a black candidate who is not embodying a racial agenda but emphasizing inclusiveness and commonality.

That is why there are so many attempts to both paint Obama as scarry (ie Wright) and more insidiously to create a spin that 'there is no difference between them' since, if there is no difference between them it is easier to vote on race, just like when there was no difference between Gore and Bush it was easier to vote for the more 'friendly' pal instead of the 'wooden' guy.

Also, in an indirect way, you can include affirmative action in hiring and promotion. People in much of the country are not stranged out any more by having a black boss somewhere ahead of them in the corporate ladder, and they have the first hand experience that those black managers, department heads and so forth niether had their areas fall apart nor became hotbeds of reverse discrimination because they were being run by a black person.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:12 PM on 07/08/2008
- Ammobob I'm a Fan of Ammobob 36 fans permalink

The saving grace for Barry is the weakness of the Republican candidate. McCain's own policies and pronouncements will drive many a Conservative to vote for Bob Barr or not vote at all. Barry, by moving, not so gracefully, to the center ala Bill Clinton will draw alot of INDIES, also. Unless McCain can carve out a clear, concise course for America (energy policy, tax policy, spending policy, entitlement policy, etc, etc) - he's TOAST, anyway.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:05 PM on 07/08/2008

It's called victory by default. Much like the R's benefited at the hands of such stiffs the Dems put up in 2000 and 2004.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:12 PM on 07/08/2008
- Kalima I'm a Fan of Kalima 74 fans permalink
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You are lucky that the posts only go back so far, otherwise I could make you
eat your words. Liar!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:20 PM on 07/08/2008
- Kalima I'm a Fan of Kalima 74 fans permalink
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Out of your hole for the night?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:15 PM on 07/08/2008
- JJeff88 I'm a Fan of JJeff88 22 fans permalink

Tell us something we don't know.

I'd only add that the pivotal "definer" may not be either the McCain forces, Obama forces or the 527's but instead, the political media.

They're doing this already - 5 days after Sen. Obama went before the cameras a second time to make clear that his willingness to be open and responsive to events on the ground didn't mean he was departing his orginal position on the withdrawl of troops from Iraq - MSNBC continued to display the banner: "Obama Changing Position on Iraq."

This despite a great job of fact-checking (backed up by several videos) to verify that Obama was saying the same thing about "events on the ground" as far back as late 2002.

But why go with the facts when you've got news to "create" and molehills to make mountains out of.

Rachel Maddow had it right when she referred to this sort of garbage as "sloppy journalism­."

How Sen. Obama works with (and if necessary circumvents) a sloppy media to best define himself will no doubt determine the outcome in Nov.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:00 PM on 07/08/2008
- k6007 I'm a Fan of k6007 230 fans permalink
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Yes, but now they're getting very sloppy. Blatant, if you will. I'm praying that more and more viewers, are waking up to what is going on. Sitting around the kitchen table wondering how you're going to make ends meet....te­nds to bring reality, closer to home.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:52 PM on 07/08/2008

Obama is changing his position on Iraq. He used to be ... very clearly ... for withdrawing the troops and ending our involvement there, now he's saying "maybe I'll take some out 16 months after I'm elected".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:07 PM on 07/08/2008

Bzzt... thanks for playing though. Swallow talking points much? Of course you do... you're a Repube.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:09 PM on 07/08/2008
- sharonh I'm a Fan of sharonh 205 fans permalink
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Oh, thank you so much for bringing up Rachel Maddow and her "sloppy journalism" comment. This is how I see it, and my eyes are wide open. If O has changed position and you have supported him and his position, then you can't stop supporting him, so it must be the journalists who covered his position inadequately. Oh irony. Ask the Clintons how it feels. Rachel and Keith are cut from the same cloth, stop, backpedal, spin, move forward. Kind of like a washing machine in the rinse cycle. Enough already. Don't let this spin move forward any more. It is too transparent.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:04 PM on 07/08/2008
- jayburd I'm a Fan of jayburd 14 fans permalink
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Darren Davis:

"A better measure of racial progress is when the country can elect a black person who can speak directly on racial issues, embrace traditional civil rights leaders and associations, and who can maintain associations with people who may have different perceptions of country."

That comment wasn't merely pessimistic it was completely out of touch with reality. Obama is the Democratic nominee. That means the country "can elect" him. The fact that he has received more votes than any other nominee in the history of the Democratic Primary makes him even more electable. Obama has spoken and does speak directly on racial issues, he has embraced traditional civil rights leaders and associations, and he reaches out to people and organizations that are traditionally at odds with Democrats. Have I missed something here?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:46 AM on 07/08/2008

Senator Obama will do whats best for the USA - and everyone will not agree with him on all the issues.
He will not cater to a specific group, he will reach out to everyone. And, it will take peoples from all genres to get him elected.
The Democrats have a horrible record when it comes to winning the Presidential election simply because they stick to their same old same old habits and issues. Senator Obama will win this election because he is appealing to all races, creeds, and colors.
So, my advice to the Democrats is to support this man fully - and my advice to the liberals is the same.
Stop giving the republicans ammunition to use against him.
Ask yourself a question - do you really want John McCain elected????? If not, then support Senator Obama.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:21 AM on 07/08/2008

"Senator Obama will do whats best for the USA" --- Ah - this must be "Faith-based" voting.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:32 PM on 07/08/2008

I'd rather Faith based vote for O'bama... than just try to believe that McStain will do anything good for the country... he hasn't so far in his 100 years of war statements.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:10 PM on 07/08/2008

yes- I do want to see McCain get elected. McCain is an honest person and has experience and is qualified, just like Hillary said he was.
In my Adult Life, I have never voted Republican - this will be the first time.
It is imperative that we don't vote in Obama - also known as "TwoFace"
NoBama08

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:17 PM on 07/08/2008
- HumeSkeptic I'm a Fan of HumeSkeptic 1568 fans permalink
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I would like to paint Mc Cain as an idiot, but he beat me to it. Just look at his new "economic plan". It's not just that he doesn't understand economics (as he admits), he doesn't even know what "plan" means.

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:01 AM on 07/08/2008

If McLame was anything but a bumbling idi0t, it would be a cakewalk for him.

AS I stated earlier.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:03 AM on 07/08/2008
- HumeSkeptic I'm a Fan of HumeSkeptic 1568 fans permalink
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I know that you stated it earlier. And it is just as idiotic now as the first time you stated it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:09 AM on 07/08/2008
- gladys46 I'm a Fan of gladys46 234 fans permalink

Funny how Mc suggests a victory in Iraq would somehow fix America's "slowing" economy (is that what his plan revealed?) ... when MSM has not looped any spin on the Iraqi occupation being the cause of America's declined economy!!

Have you heard MSM do that ... ah, say that this illegal occupation has wrecked our country's economy ... or that Iraq has anything to do with our economy!?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:08 AM on 07/08/2008
- HumeSkeptic I'm a Fan of HumeSkeptic 1568 fans permalink
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MSM can't question a (supposed) war hero. Nothing a war hero does can be questioned.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:18 AM on 07/08/2008

Wrong, Iraq occupation is not the reason for the declining economy although it could help at this point. It's reckless borrowing and lending springing from the subprime and other ARM loan measures. FOMC Interest rates is very low adding to the weakness of the dollar and also the deficits from all our government spending and imports that is now affecting the economy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:36 AM on 07/08/2008

It's disheartening that a few groups supporting Hillary Clinton based on perceived sexism against her to campaign against Obama now. The single group most benefitted from the affirmative action is the white female group, much more than the black group. Yet, these people have the nerve to campaign against Obama as if sexism in this country is Obama's fault. Isn't it patronalizing when the society's ills are all due the faults of the black? Compared Hillary and Obama, one can see extremely clear that Hillary suffers from sexism at a much less extent than Obama's of racism. Are these Democrats, just like the Clintons, pretending to be progressive fighting for equality but only as long as it is for women, not for blacks? Which group has been suffered more of the inequality? Bill Clinton had shown his true color when he played the race card against Obama by condescendingly compared Obama to a lost black candidate. We know who these people support, a woman or a black man? The most effective attack seems to be raising the fear of a black man and pile on him all the society's ills. The reality is for 17 months, no one can dig anything from Obama's background apart from a few of people he knew while they are silent on the wrong doings of the very person who should be responsible for their own actions, not others'.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:51 AM on 07/08/2008

good point.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:40 AM on 07/08/2008

Not everyone that is anti-Obama now is an "ex-Hillary supporter".

In fact, the very reasons I supported Obama were things he was different than Hillary on. And low and behold, as soon as Obama is the nominee, he flip-flops and adopts all the same policies as Hillary (that I had voted against Hillary for in the first place).

The REALITY here is Obama is a DLC shill and there is no difference between the real policies both Obama and Hillary are going to adopt and they are identical to Bush's policies, with the only difference being that the Democrats are going to double the costs of them in the process.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:10 PM on 07/08/2008

So wrong on so many levels. You need to do some more research, dude. And take a dose of REALITY.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:14 PM on 07/08/2008
- mjc I'm a Fan of mjc 10 fans permalink

JustObserve, those of us supporting Hillary Clinton are not now campaigning AGAINST Obama; he's doing that himself with his right wing shift. We are running FOR Clinton and hoping the Democrats in Denver begin to see the light. He's probably not the man you originally supported.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:00 PM on 07/08/2008
- HumeSkeptic I'm a Fan of HumeSkeptic 1568 fans permalink
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0bama might be moving to the Right, but it would take a rocket to get him to where H!llary stood from the beginning - at the extreme Right of all Dem candidates. She is pro-NeoCon.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:13 PM on 07/08/2008

I can't believe this article was even posted here as the 0fficial O pr0paganda network. What an embarassment!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:46 AM on 07/08/2008
- HumeSkeptic I'm a Fan of HumeSkeptic 1568 fans permalink
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You should leave in protest, and never return. That would have other benefits for your fellow posters as well. For example, it would raise the average intellectual level of posters.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:55 AM on 07/08/2008

Naw, this game of whack-a mole today is too amusing.

On the other hand, if i were you I might leave in humiliation.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:54 AM on 07/08/2008

Or here is another assessment:
.."After 143 days of work experience, Obama believed he was ready to be Commander In Chief, Leader of the Free World, and fill the shoes of Abraham Lincoln, FDR, JFK and Ronald Reagan. 143 days -- I keep leftovers in my refrigerator longer than that. In contrast, John McCain's 26 years in Congress, 22 years of military service including 1,966 days in captivity as a POW in Hanoi now seem more impressive than ever." So there you go, 143 days. So this is the key. All of these so-called flip-flops, all these changes in position, they are due to his inexperience. His inexperience and his incompetence lead him to make goofs, to lie, to flounder around." -- Rush Limbaugh

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:46 AM on 07/08/2008

How about compare Obama with Bill Clinton when Bill won the Arkansas Governorship when he was 32 year old? Bill didn't even have 143 days of work experience to be a governor!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:00 AM on 07/08/2008

You are right but BC was a two time or was that two timing, anyway Gov. At least he ran a state.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:20 AM on 07/08/2008
- Peteyman I'm a Fan of Peteyman 2 fans permalink

You let Rush Limbaugh do your thinking for you, enough said.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:12 AM on 07/08/2008

So you agree then with everything written there then, right?

Since all you took issue with was me, I must assume you have no defense of that statement.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:34 AM on 07/08/2008

For those who pretend it is very hard to see any difference between McCain and Obama let me cut through your illiterate attempts at rhetoric and summarize your position:.

The issue of civil immunity for telecoms is the greatest single issue this country has ever faced. All support for Obama must be made absolutely contingent on it..

Next we must elect McCain or find some other way to proceed directly to fascism.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:42 AM on 07/08/2008

I don't like O, but Mc A $ $ isn't the answer either. Try again!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:53 AM on 07/08/2008
- pleeezzze I'm a Fan of pleeezzze 6 fans permalink

Hi llary- Hi llary- H i l lary !!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:38 AM on 07/08/2008

The issue of civil immunity for telecoms is the greatest single issue this country has ever faced.

Is that not a bit overstated, even greater than slavery? Taxation without Representation?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:01 AM on 07/08/2008

Obama didn't agree to the immunity in the future, only of the past which seem reasonable considering the fact that the telecoms only followed the government- of -the -day's orders. It was the government, not the telecoms, was at fault.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:06 AM on 07/08/2008
- HumeSkeptic I'm a Fan of HumeSkeptic 1568 fans permalink
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Nice satire.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:08 AM on 07/08/2008

LOL....sou­nds exactly right.

If these republican operatives would spend more time building their candidate instead of wasting time trying to convince us that it's not time for change, this could have been a serious race instead of a slaughter in November.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:10 AM on 07/08/2008
- theMightyT I'm a Fan of theMightyT 171 fans permalink

LOL this is too much... Obama's positions sans FISA haven't really changed, and everyone is screaming flip-flopper and soft on policy... if only people would actually READ his positions barackobama.comm) they could decide for themselves. He's a centrist, and always has been.

Amazing how easily the GOP with the huge assist from the MSM is distorting his positions.­.. a sad commentary on the 4th estate.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:37 AM on 07/08/2008
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There has not been a single flip-flop by 0bama, with the possible exception of campaign financing. And ask me if I give a rat's a$$ about that. That is just adopting a better tactics to defeat the old geezer - sign of a good C-in-C - change tactics as needed, instead of continuing to "stay the course" in the face of utter disaster.

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:47 AM on 07/08/2008
- theMightyT I'm a Fan of theMightyT 171 fans permalink

Totally agree, Hume. And ultimately one of the signs of great leadership that the voters will embrace whole-heartedly.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:49 AM on 07/08/2008
- gladys46 I'm a Fan of gladys46 234 fans permalink

Totally agree! Why give that person any advantage!?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:55 AM on 07/08/2008
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Obama's very well written "The Audacity of Hope" could help those who bothered to read it; but, yes, I understand that it's asking to much of Average Joe to sit down to read a book or two before casting a vote is asking WAY too much. Instead, the likes of Limbaugh, the Swift Boar veterans, and the hopelessly partisan cable channels (e.g., Fox and the deteriorating CNN and MS-NBC chanels) are allowed to hold sway via their always various talking head advocates.

Newsmen? Those still on the payrolls are in a minority drowned out by the more "entertaining" bags of wind who get so much of the air time. As for newspapers, let us drink to their memory. When the once great NYT hires Bill Crystal as a columnist, it's clear that newspapers have jumped the shark in their desperate desire to survive by pandering to the ignorant idea that not only are there two sides to every issue (fair enough) but also that the two sides are equal (a brain-dead belief in the vast majority of instances)­..

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:35 AM on 07/08/2008

Oh wow I read his book now I know him. Please give me a break. What makes you think he said anything in that book that is true? I could write a book about anything as well it doesn't make it true. Actions speak louder than words and right now his actions are speaking volumes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:55 AM on 07/08/2008
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Do you judge others by your lack of integrity standards.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:39 AM on 07/08/2008
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So to find out what he really means I need to ignore what he says and go shell out money to go read his book?

He's attempting to earn my vote, it is his responsibility to make his case to ME. His policy issues should not be hidden deep within the depths of some website somewhere. If he's so eloquent, and so well funded, and so well covered (he's had media with him for months and has had an over-friendly relationship with some of them), then why can't he make that case?

Person after person has stated that they voted for him due to the upswell of "support" and not on his policy positions of which few people know.

People who looked at his policy stances were not necessarily impressed. As much as you may not want to hear it, he garnered less than 50% of his party's vote based on his positions and not his ears or his melanin content or what his religion might have been, is now or might be in the future.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:47 AM on 07/08/2008
- ladyv I'm a Fan of ladyv 25 fans permalink

To learn his positions, yes, read his website. To learn any candidates positions, the easiest way is to read their websites since THAT'S STANDARD OPERATING PROCEDURE SINCE LIKE 1995 OR SOMETHING.

To learn more about his thought processes in nice readable storytelling prose, go to the library and check out one of his books. Or buy one. All the candidates have books that let you learn more about their thought processes. The rest of them just weren't very good writers, so they didn't sell as well.

Where the hell should they be if not on a website like EVERY OTHER CANDIDATE? They're there because it's FREE. I mean, my god, you don't want to read them in a book, you don't want to read them on a website. Are you seriously telling me that if Barack read his policy papers from his website outloud and say CSPAN agreed to air him reading them, that THAT is the way you would access them? People have to read things out loud to you? There are community services that can help people like you. Google for "help for those with reading impairments" in your area and tell whoever you find that you have difficulty understanding the written word and can only understand things when someone reads them out loud to you. Ask them to read his position papers to you, so you can understand them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:36 PM on 07/08/2008

Well let me see, a freshman Senator, no record. OK., put a suit on him, give him a teleprompter, attach come strings to his arms and legs and you can make him anything you want.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:33 AM on 07/08/2008

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:33 AM on 07/08/2008
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Your best comment to date.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:34 AM on 07/08/2008

Some Strings that is

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:33 AM on 07/08/2008

If McLame was anything but a bumbling idi0t, it would be a cakewalk for him.

"Struggling" to define a candidate, Pahleeze!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:30 AM on 07/08/2008
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From the windows of my mind, GN!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:27 AM on 07/08/2008
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