Clinton: Why I Voted No On FISA

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First Posted: 07- 9-08 05:00 PM   |   Updated: 07-17-08 05:12 AM

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The Senate passed a revamped version of FISA legislation on Wednesday. But that conclusion was never in doubt. The real intrigue surrounded which Democrats would buck the compromise, which included immunity for telecommunications companies, and what side Sen. Hillary Clinton would come down on.

Late this afternoon, Clinton voted against the bill, putting her at odds with the party's presumptive nominee, Barack Obama. In a statement put out by her Internet guru, Peter Daou, the New York Democrat struck a similar chord as her Illinois counterpart, describing the compromise as legislation that will "strengthen oversight of the administration's surveillance activities over previous drafts." She also, like Obama, pinpointed shortcomings in oversight, immunity, and other aspects of the compromise. But, in the end, she, unlike Obama, was persuaded to vote no.

"[A]ny surveillance program must contain safeguards to protect the rights of Americans against abuse, and to preserve clear lines of oversight and accountability over this administration. I applaud the efforts of my colleagues who negotiated this legislation, and I respect my colleagues who reached a different conclusion on today's vote. I do so because this is a difficult issue. Nonetheless, I could not vote for the legislation in its current form."

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"Congress must vigorously check and balance the president even in the face of dangerous enemies and at a time of war. That is what sets us apart. And that is what is vital to ensuring that any tool designed to protect us is used - and used within the law - for that purpose and that purpose alone. I believe my responsibility requires that I vote against this compromise, and I will continue to pursue reforms that will improve our ability to collect intelligence in our efforts to combat terror and to oversee that authority in Congress."

Full Statement Below

One of the great challenges before us as a nation is remaining steadfast in our fight against terrorism while preserving our commitment to the rule of law and individual liberty. As a senator from New York on September 11, I understand the importance of taking any and all necessary steps to protect our nation from those who would do us harm. I believe strongly that we must modernize our surveillance laws in order to provide intelligence professionals the tools needed to fight terrorism and make our country more secure. However, any surveillance program must contain safeguards to protect the rights of Americans against abuse, and to preserve clear lines of oversight and accountability over this administration. I applaud the efforts of my colleagues who negotiated this legislation, and I respect my colleagues who reached a different conclusion on today's vote. I do so because this is a difficult issue. Nonetheless, I could not vote for the legislation in its current form.

The legislation would overhaul the law that governs the administration's surveillance activities. Some of the legislation's provisions place guidelines and restrictions on the operational details of the surveillance activities, others increase judicial and legislative oversight of those activities, and still others relate to immunity for telecommunications companies that participated in the administration's surveillance activities.

While this legislation does strengthen oversight of the administration's surveillance activities over previous drafts, in many respects, the oversight in the bill continues to come up short. For instance, while the bill nominally calls for increased oversight by the FISA Court, its ability to serve as a meaningful check on the President's power is debatable. The clearest example of this is the limited power given to the FISA Court to review the government's targeting and minimization procedures.

But the legislation has other significant shortcomings. The legislation also makes no meaningful change to the immunity provisions. There is little disagreement that the legislation effectively grants retroactive immunity to the telecommunications companies. In my judgment, immunity under these circumstances has the practical effect of shutting down a critical avenue for holding the administration accountable for its conduct. It is precisely why I have supported efforts in the Senate to strip the bill of these provisions, both today and during previous debates on this subject. Unfortunately, these efforts have been unsuccessful.

What is more, even as we considered this legislation, the administration refused to allow the overwhelming majority of Senators to examine the warrantless wiretapping program. This made it exceedingly difficult for those Senators who are not on the Intelligence and Judiciary Committees to assess the need for the operational details of the legislation, and whether greater protections are necessary. The same can be said for an assessment of the telecom immunity provisions. On an issue of such tremendous importance to our citizens - and in particular to New Yorkers - all Senators should have been entitled to receive briefings that would have enabled them to make an informed decision about the merits of this legislation. I cannot support this legislation when we know neither the nature of the surveillance activities authorized nor the role played by telecommunications companies granted immunity.

Congress must vigorously check and balance the president even in the face of dangerous enemies and at a time of war. That is what sets us apart. And that is what is vital to ensuring that any tool designed to protect us is used - and used within the law - for that purpose and that purpose alone. I believe my responsibility requires that I vote against this compromise, and I will continue to pursue reforms that will improve our ability to collect intelligence in our efforts to combat terror and to oversee that authority in Congress.

The Senate passed a revamped version of FISA legislation on Wednesday. But that conclusion was never in doubt. The real intrigue surrounded which Democrats would buck the compromise, which included im...
The Senate passed a revamped version of FISA legislation on Wednesday. But that conclusion was never in doubt. The real intrigue surrounded which Democrats would buck the compromise, which included im...
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Here we go folks... just one more to add to your Change candidate>­>>>>Change you can believe in>>
Occam:
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CHANGE … what I do every day to my foreign policy
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CHANGE … my friends when they turn out NOT to be “The person I knew”
CHANGE … what my radical left-wing ideologue handlers have in store for you
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CHANGE … you into a ward of the state so that I OWN you and your vote
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CHANGE … into sycophants; what the liberal mainstream media do under the spell of the Obamessiah

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:53 AM on 07/15/2008

I grew up in Apartheid South Africa so I am intimately familiar with what the FISA vote means. I am furious with any vote for this bill. But I am outraged at Obama. His actions speak louder than any words, any elegant oratory, any promises of hope and change.Obama is an opportunist who will do anything to win this Presidency. He has the nomination so why she should he care about the constituency who elected him? Win or lose, many Democrats might find themselves wishing they had picked Hillary Clinton instead.
Congratulations Senator Clinton for doing what is right.
I will never vote Republican but I no longer have to grapple with the option of either voting for a Democratic candidate I do not trust vs that of a write in.
Senator Obama has madethe decision for me.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:26 PM on 07/10/2008
- pleeezzze I'm a Fan of pleeezzze 6 fans permalink

O bama was trying for Republican voters , guess he forgot he was supposed to be running as a DEM at the moment .....and I do mean ,only at the moment .

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:37 PM on 07/11/2008
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ditto, great post

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:38 PM on 07/14/2008
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Bravo Hill..now if you had just stuck to this line of thought in the last months instead of the mudslinging
who knows....Barack mate you've broken my heart over fisa,you start as you mean to go on,alarm bells
ringing dear, not a good move!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:08 PM on 07/10/2008

now if you had just stuck to this line of thought in the last months instead of the mudslinging
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LAMEST COMMENT EVER.

When will you GROW UP and GROW A SET and realize that she was C A M P A I G N I N G, not "mudslinging" and your wittle precious Obama was JUST AS NEGATIVE AS SHE WAS.

How bad and hypocritical does he have to get before you realize thae NOBODY falsely impuned him for ANYTHING.

The one who was needlessly BASHED was HILLARY.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:55 AM on 07/11/2008
- pleeezzze I'm a Fan of pleeezzze 6 fans permalink

Extremely bad ,evidently .

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:37 PM on 07/11/2008
- pixy242a I'm a Fan of pixy242a 2 fans permalink

Why is Bill's knickers still in a twist and for that matter all the PUMA's too, when BO was also just C A M P A I G N I N G, not mudslinging ? -

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:48 AM on 07/12/2008

Here is what Obama did during the primary...

This is posted over on Greta’s PUMA blog. I found it moving and thought it should be shared.
Comment by Wisewoman
July 1st, 2008 at 10:18 pm
Greta’
From a 63 yr old, black female supporter of Hillary, thanks. I knew I would not vote for Obama after the awful debacle in SC where while accusing the Clintons of racism, Obama himself used race-baiting tactics to win SC and further his campaign. Obama had won IA, lost NH, lost Nevada, he had to win SC or risk being out of the race if he didn’t win this overwhelmingly black participating democratic primary. At this point Hillary had a 65% black support in SC. Obama had to rip these voters from Hillary’s hands, thus he played the victim of race on comments that in no way could be consrued to be racist. He was helped in this effort by Donna Brazille and Jim Clyburn of SC. Because I am retired I was able to closely watch his effort unfold. I marched with Dr King. Obama dishonored all who helped in the civil rights struggle and dishonored King. For this I despise him and will never vote for him, ever. I grew up during the James Brown “I’m black and I’m proud” era. I can not be proud of him becomming the first “black affirmative action nominee” due to the actions of the DNC and the super delegates.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:37 AM on 07/15/2008
- happycat I'm a Fan of happycat 111 fans permalink
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I am happy that Hilary Clinton did the right thing. Unfortunately, I am bitterly disappointed in Obama for voting the way he did. I am beginning to question his true desire to bring about "real" change in this country.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:55 PM on 07/10/2008
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Gee, Clinton's first vote in her entire time in the Senate to go against BushCo. To me, it looks like she's just trying to poke Obama in the eye trying to make it seem like she's so concerned about civil liberties and protecting the constitution. But it's her first time in her "great career of public service" actually voting the right way. I don't mind if she keeps it up -- but she'll have to do a lot more before I'm convinced there's not something in it for her to be doing it. She's proven to me she's just one calculated political animal with no regard for the people of the United States of America.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:19 PM on 07/10/2008
- cakelady I'm a Fan of cakelady 3 fans permalink

Left several months ago because of the hatred and mistatements on this blog. Came back again but I see by reading some of the posts that nothing has changed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:58 PM on 07/10/2008
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I was a Hillary supporters, not anymore. You did do this just to try to make Obama look worst for voting for FISA. She is self absorbed, arrogant and bitter. She have lost any respect I had for her. What a sore looser. And I agree kimk3, she is a calculated political animal with NO reguard for the people of the US. All that seem to matter to this woman is that she is the next President of the US. I never thought I would say this about the Clintons because I absolutely love Bill Clinton but Hillary needs to GO AWAY. And I hope some how she gets voted out of the Senate. She is a real peice of work.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:47 AM on 07/11/2008

YOU are suffering from Clinton Derangement Syndrome and you NEED help.

Not everything is about your MESSIAH.

She said since JANUAY she was going to vote this way and did. OBAMA LIED and backstabbed you. Its not her fault.

Seek help.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:48 AM on 07/11/2008
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So, she voted for AMERICA, freedom and THE CONSTITUTION and he voted against.

And she needs to go away?

What country are you from?

You are so self absorbed that you think other Senators vote to 'affect' Obama?

Why didn't he do the right thing? That's what you should be whining about.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:40 PM on 07/14/2008

Her FIRST vote to go against Bush and Co? Her first time to vote the right way? Do you want to re-think that?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:09 AM on 07/11/2008
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Let me try to understand you. Clinton voted the right way on FISA; Obama voted the wrong way. Therefore it's Clinton's fault for making Obama look bad. What a sad piece of logic.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:53 PM on 07/11/2008
- doglove I'm a Fan of doglove 34 fans permalink
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Aren't the bots a riot!!!

The ultimate cultists!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:38 PM on 07/14/2008

Thank you Clinton!
Though I am a staunch Obama supporter YOU got this vote right!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:01 PM on 07/10/2008

As a huge Obama supporter, Hilary is right Obama is wrong on this. But he still my choice for president because of so many other issues

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:50 AM on 07/10/2008
- nclayla I'm a Fan of nclayla 3 fans permalink

Wise post. Thanks!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:27 PM on 07/10/2008

Like faith based initiatives???

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:54 PM on 07/10/2008

Oh, just as well, since he is the nominee and there is presumably nothing we can do about it anyway. Nice one.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:09 AM on 07/11/2008

He is NOT the nominee until the convention. There IS somehting we can do about it.

NOMINATE HILLARY!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:55 AM on 07/11/2008
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And they are larger than THE CONSTITUTION?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:42 PM on 07/14/2008

My goodness the Obama loyalists will do ANYTHING to defend him and impune Hillary.

Even when she votes THE RIGHT WAY you question her motives. She should be commended for taking a stand here.

And find it disgusting (though not surprising) how many posters say :"well, if the tables were turned, he would have voted no"

OH really? Then why the heck didnt he just vote now now? Why?

Its just like the Iraq War vote. He HIMSELF said "i dont know" how I would have voted, yet you all assume..."well, he would have voted no".

For someone who you dont know, who has, at every turn NOT voted or acted how you think he would/should/could, you are so quick to assume he'll "do the right thing" as president.

Such blind loyalty, and blind hatred of Hillary is what earned you the moniker "bots" and "cultists"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:25 AM on 07/10/2008
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i have to agree with you on this. I was a John Edwards supporter in the beginning b/c he represented change, then I threw my support over to Obama when Edwards dropped out. I have always had my eyes open. I wish that others would as well. Obama has been mving steadily to the center and changing some of his important views. Turning himself into a milquetoast candidate who stands for nothing will only ensure McCain's victory.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:59 PM on 07/10/2008

So you re-cant. Say it.: "I got it wrong. I supported Obama instead of Clinton and I was wrong." Just say it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:12 AM on 07/11/2008

My goodness the Obama loyalists will do ANYTHING to defend him and impune Hillary.

Even when she votes THE RIGHT WAY you question her motives. She should be commended for taking a stand here.

And find it disgusting (though not surprising) how many posters say :"well, if the tables were turned, he would have voted no"

OH really? Then why the heck didnt he just vote now now? Why?

Its just like the Iraq War vote. He HIMSELF said "i dont know" how I would have voted, yet you all assume..."well, he would have voted no".

For someone who you dont know, who has, at every turn NOT voted or acted how you think he would/should/could, you are so quick to assume he'll "do the right thing" as president.

Such blind loyalty, and blind hatred of Hillary is what earned you the moniker "bots" and "cultists"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:18 AM on 07/10/2008
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This from a woman who voted to give the prez a blank check on the war. SHE is the reason he was able to abuse his executive power in the first place. Along with others who voted for invasion and against the Levin ammendment.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:21 AM on 07/10/2008
- pinkyboo I'm a Fan of pinkyboo 21 fans permalink

Yeah - it could not have been the "do nothing" Republican congress that was in power for the MAJORITY of Bush's presidency????

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:25 AM on 07/10/2008
- nclayla I'm a Fan of nclayla 3 fans permalink

Hillary's vote for the war was controlled by the Republican congress? Wow! - who knew!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:29 PM on 07/10/2008
- nclayla I'm a Fan of nclayla 3 fans permalink

Well said!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:28 PM on 07/10/2008

LOL, she is the reason??? By your rational then Obama is the reason that Bush has gotten a blank check and the reason for this fisa bill. Keep sipping the Kool Aid.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:56 PM on 07/10/2008
- edayres I'm a Fan of edayres 15 fans permalink

It is really fun watching the Obama supporters squirm and continue to criticize Hillary. It's appalling what Obama has done and you must feel like you've been had. Hillary Clinton, it turns out, was actually more honest than Obama. She moved to general election positions long before the primary. At least you knew where she stood before the primary contests. Obama, on the the hand, well.... you know....no use rubbing salt in your wounds.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:33 PM on 07/10/2008

HEAR HEAR. Bravo! A rational comment on HuffingtonPost!!!! Thank you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:14 AM on 07/11/2008
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And if Hillary were the nominee and Barack had come in second, she would have voted for the Bill and he would be the one making brave speeches about why he voted against it. If you think Senator Clinton wouldn't have moved to the right after winning enough delegates to clinch the nomination, you're either naive or deluded.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:37 AM on 07/10/2008
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probably right. This was really a no-brainer for Clinton. We can expect her to be an unusually solid legislator over the next few years, as she attempts to warm up to Obama supporters, intellectuals and some of the character voters she lost during the primary. I for one, will gladly take it, and I'm glad to have her on our side for a while.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:20 AM on 07/10/2008
- K-Dog76 I'm a Fan of K-Dog76 8 fans permalink

Tommygun, well said. Personally I think she is still running for president, hoping to undermine Obama at that the convention... not that that will happen that way, but that is how she is thinking.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:35 AM on 07/10/2008
- nclayla I'm a Fan of nclayla 3 fans permalink

I agree. And if she can't undermine him and steal his nomination at the convention she will undermine him while he is Prez and try for the nomination in 2012.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:32 PM on 07/10/2008

Exactly!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:51 AM on 07/11/2008

But I thought Barack was sooooo different! As you can see, those who voted for Hillary were not deluded, we all knew she was a politician. Those that voted for Barack thought he was the second coming of christ.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:08 PM on 07/10/2008

I disagree. I think Hillary was positioned in the center throughout the primary. (That's why she lost --given the loony tune activists in Idaho, Nebraska, et al.) She had already proved herself to be in the center. She had already proved herself to be "tough on terrorism." She had already proved herself to be ready to be commander in chief. Obama ended the primaries as the hero of the left. He now has to prove himself in these areas. And so we get these whacky, out-of-the-blue changes. He ends up being a candidate positioned to the right of Clinton. We end up getting a healthcare program that's less than universal. (That's if he gets elected...)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:26 AM on 07/11/2008

I think Hillary was positioned in the center throughout the primary. (That's why she lost --given the loony tune activists in Idaho, Nebraska, et al.)
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bingo!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:58 AM on 07/11/2008

Hillary, as Senator, is once again in a position to oppose such legislation. I suspect that if the tables were turned, and Clinton had come out ahead in the primary season, Obama would be the one voting No, and Clinton Yes. This is not all that surprising.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:37 AM on 07/10/2008

LOFL< Even if what you say is true, (Which it's not, she f'ing co-sponsored Dodds Bill for crying out loud) IN what way does that justify the politician of change and non-typical washington politics flip flopping and pandering???? Instead of attacking the person who voted the right way, why not at least criticize the person who voted with Bush and the Repubs on this issue?? Is it really that hard for you to criticize the messiah?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:06 AM on 07/10/2008
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HRC has voted with B43 for the war. Please try to keep some perspective. Hell BHO has already received his criticism before he even voted. Try to keep up.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:23 AM on 07/10/2008

I support Hillary's vote on this. I am disappointed that Obama is not standing up against this "compromise" on our civil liberties. I think that Obama would have had a lot more support if he had come back from the campaign and filibustered this. He's got to fire up the base of American progressives and stop worrying about appeasing the republicans who are having a field day painting him as a "flip flopper."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:36 AM on 07/10/2008
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I think that Obama is over estimating the willingness of some of the new voters to actually get to the polls. If he doesn't keep progressives fired up, they could get lazy and stay at home. Nothing he is doing will make them vote for McCain, but if people are not excited, he could get himself in trouble.

For the sake of this country, I hope he has made is last political compromise, one more step to the right could send him over the edge... Though I must admit, no one is calling him the "most liberal senator" anymore - not that it was ever true.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:27 AM on 07/10/2008
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NYCAlex,

Your civil liberties are only really being compromised if you are accepting cell phone calls from Afghanistan or the Gaza strip.

The republicans won't have a field day painting Obama as a flip flopper for supporting this, because its theirs. If anything it scares them a little. The will attack him for flipping on some other issue.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:40 AM on 07/10/2008

So it's fine with you if Obama discounts our civil liberties so long as it's not something the Republicans can attack?? (And yes, some of us may very well have family and friends in the Gaza Strip--OOOOOOH GOD FORBID!!!) Don't you realize you are setting up a president who will be unaccountable? Obama presented himself as a leader. I expect him to lead us to do what is right as a nation.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:38 AM on 07/11/2008
- nclayla I'm a Fan of nclayla 3 fans permalink

Just a few thoughts...........

'Compromising our civil liberties' sounds like something we should all be against. But did you happen to make the effort to read/understand the bill in its entirely? Unless you are among those American citizens who who have cell phone contact with Pakistan, Afghanistan, etc. you will not be affected.

'Immunity to the Telecoms' is also being bandished about a lot. In the aftermath of 9/11 when the government came to them and said it was of national importance and within the law, they bent and gave W's people what they wanted. Is it really more important to punish them for doing what their government pleaded for? Or is it more important to ensure that this never happens again? In the aftermath of 9/11 many Democrats in congress, including Hillary, agreed to vote for a war without fully investigating it, yet you seem to have forgiven Hillary and the others. As members of Congress, should they be held at least equally accountable as business leaders? Why are they allowed to cave in under government pressure during the aftermath of 9/11 while the telecom leaders aren't?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:40 PM on 07/10/2008

I think it's the precedent that is important.­....what's next?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:09 PM on 07/10/2008

So it doesn't matter if you are not one of those Americans who has phone contact with Pakistan???? or with Afghanistan???
Let me provide you with a well-known quote from Martin Niemoeller (though i wonder if you will know of it):
They came first for the Communists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist.
Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew.
Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Catholics,
and I didn't speak up because I was a Protestant.
Then they came for me,
and by that time no one was left to speak up.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:32 AM on 07/11/2008

This is what the 4th amendment to the constitution guards against and you are being sooooo very naive...LOL You believe government entities with this power...naive and uninformed I would say.

Fourth Amendment: guards against searches, arrests, and seizures of property without a specific warrant or a "probable cause" to believe a crime has been committed. Some rights to privacy have been inferred from this amendment and others by the Supreme Court.

Go to this website and read what Hillary was who has probably read this and has been in politics to know enough to understand about this law and what it will do to YOUR rights as an American Citizen... kudoos to Hillary for being so strong and knowledgeable.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:46 AM on 07/15/2008
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As the presumptive Democratic nominee, Obama is now in a position to set the agenda. He just set it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:59 PM on 07/11/2008

I have new found respect for Hillary.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:13 AM on 07/10/2008
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MiddleRoad,

New found respect for Hillary, because as a sophmore senator, she makes grandstanding speeches about why she voted a certain way? She is no longer a candidate, and she supported plenty of wiretapping in her day, when it was in her interest, or maybe you forgot she was wiretapping republicans while Bill was in office.

Please read the story below titled "More Of Hillary Clinton’s Alleged Illegal Wiretapping Exploits Uncovered"
http://aishamusic.wordpress.com/2007/10/24/more-of-hillary-clintons-alleged-illegal-wiretapping-exploits-uncovered/

Hillary is no champion of the people, unless its serves her own cause.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:49 AM on 07/10/2008

Was this ILLEGAL and UNCONSTITUTIONAL wiretapping that your BHO supports? It was not.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:21 AM on 07/10/2008

Great link, thanks K-Dog76. A great site, that is, if I were obsessed with rumors about which movie star is a lesbian. Oh yes, and for every ugly, discredited Republican rumor about Hillary Clinton, including her supposed affair with a Muslim aide. For political news and analysis... I think I'll pass. (gag)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:36 PM on 07/10/2008
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Hillary proves again to have the spine & smarts to be in the Oval!
Well done Hillary!!!

Does anyone think if he was in the senate when they voted on Iraq that he would have voted 'nay'?
Anytime he's held to account he changes his opinion.
Now doesn't want to live with Campaign finance reform
Now wants Guns in DC
Now opposed to Abortion for 'mental reasons'
Now believes in the Death penalty for child rapists
Now wants to 'refine' his stance on Iraq
Obama's 'change we believe in' proves UNbelievable, again!

Now Democratic voters are caught between a rock & a hard place...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:01 AM on 07/10/2008
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