Clinton: Why I Voted No On FISA

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First Posted: 07- 9-08 05:00 PM   |   Updated: 07-17-08 05:12 AM

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The Senate passed a revamped version of FISA legislation on Wednesday. But that conclusion was never in doubt. The real intrigue surrounded which Democrats would buck the compromise, which included immunity for telecommunications companies, and what side Sen. Hillary Clinton would come down on.

Late this afternoon, Clinton voted against the bill, putting her at odds with the party's presumptive nominee, Barack Obama. In a statement put out by her Internet guru, Peter Daou, the New York Democrat struck a similar chord as her Illinois counterpart, describing the compromise as legislation that will "strengthen oversight of the administration's surveillance activities over previous drafts." She also, like Obama, pinpointed shortcomings in oversight, immunity, and other aspects of the compromise. But, in the end, she, unlike Obama, was persuaded to vote no.

"[A]ny surveillance program must contain safeguards to protect the rights of Americans against abuse, and to preserve clear lines of oversight and accountability over this administration. I applaud the efforts of my colleagues who negotiated this legislation, and I respect my colleagues who reached a different conclusion on today's vote. I do so because this is a difficult issue. Nonetheless, I could not vote for the legislation in its current form."

[snip]

"Congress must vigorously check and balance the president even in the face of dangerous enemies and at a time of war. That is what sets us apart. And that is what is vital to ensuring that any tool designed to protect us is used - and used within the law - for that purpose and that purpose alone. I believe my responsibility requires that I vote against this compromise, and I will continue to pursue reforms that will improve our ability to collect intelligence in our efforts to combat terror and to oversee that authority in Congress."

Full Statement Below

One of the great challenges before us as a nation is remaining steadfast in our fight against terrorism while preserving our commitment to the rule of law and individual liberty. As a senator from New York on September 11, I understand the importance of taking any and all necessary steps to protect our nation from those who would do us harm. I believe strongly that we must modernize our surveillance laws in order to provide intelligence professionals the tools needed to fight terrorism and make our country more secure. However, any surveillance program must contain safeguards to protect the rights of Americans against abuse, and to preserve clear lines of oversight and accountability over this administration. I applaud the efforts of my colleagues who negotiated this legislation, and I respect my colleagues who reached a different conclusion on today's vote. I do so because this is a difficult issue. Nonetheless, I could not vote for the legislation in its current form.

The legislation would overhaul the law that governs the administration's surveillance activities. Some of the legislation's provisions place guidelines and restrictions on the operational details of the surveillance activities, others increase judicial and legislative oversight of those activities, and still others relate to immunity for telecommunications companies that participated in the administration's surveillance activities.

While this legislation does strengthen oversight of the administration's surveillance activities over previous drafts, in many respects, the oversight in the bill continues to come up short. For instance, while the bill nominally calls for increased oversight by the FISA Court, its ability to serve as a meaningful check on the President's power is debatable. The clearest example of this is the limited power given to the FISA Court to review the government's targeting and minimization procedures.

But the legislation has other significant shortcomings. The legislation also makes no meaningful change to the immunity provisions. There is little disagreement that the legislation effectively grants retroactive immunity to the telecommunications companies. In my judgment, immunity under these circumstances has the practical effect of shutting down a critical avenue for holding the administration accountable for its conduct. It is precisely why I have supported efforts in the Senate to strip the bill of these provisions, both today and during previous debates on this subject. Unfortunately, these efforts have been unsuccessful.

What is more, even as we considered this legislation, the administration refused to allow the overwhelming majority of Senators to examine the warrantless wiretapping program. This made it exceedingly difficult for those Senators who are not on the Intelligence and Judiciary Committees to assess the need for the operational details of the legislation, and whether greater protections are necessary. The same can be said for an assessment of the telecom immunity provisions. On an issue of such tremendous importance to our citizens - and in particular to New Yorkers - all Senators should have been entitled to receive briefings that would have enabled them to make an informed decision about the merits of this legislation. I cannot support this legislation when we know neither the nature of the surveillance activities authorized nor the role played by telecommunications companies granted immunity.

Congress must vigorously check and balance the president even in the face of dangerous enemies and at a time of war. That is what sets us apart. And that is what is vital to ensuring that any tool designed to protect us is used - and used within the law - for that purpose and that purpose alone. I believe my responsibility requires that I vote against this compromise, and I will continue to pursue reforms that will improve our ability to collect intelligence in our efforts to combat terror and to oversee that authority in Congress.

The Senate passed a revamped version of FISA legislation on Wednesday. But that conclusion was never in doubt. The real intrigue surrounded which Democrats would buck the compromise, which included im...
The Senate passed a revamped version of FISA legislation on Wednesday. But that conclusion was never in doubt. The real intrigue surrounded which Democrats would buck the compromise, which included im...
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Hillary's reason seems well thought out, and indeed points to possible legislation which could be more comprhensive in its security reach , while preserving the integrity of our Constitutuion. Kudos.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:48 PM on 07/09/2008

Props to Hillary from this Obama supporter -- even though this is a convenient way for someone who is hardly progressive to suck up to that constituency on a vote she knows is going to pass anyway. As for Obama, he's lost any further contributions from me and may lose my vote if he keeps it up. These privacy issues are absolutely huge, and I will not tolerate this kind of pandering and pathetic attempts at triangulation. Hopefully he learns his lesson from the backlash -- he's asked us to hold him accountable, so let's do it!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:47 PM on 07/09/2008
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Obama vote lost=McCain vote gain. Choose ye this day.......

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:11 PM on 07/09/2008

Can you please explain how that is true, considering that I'm not ever going to vote for McCain? I guess you meant percentage-wise and not literally cumulatively, but even in that case you might want to look at the candidate's behavior instead of me for the path to a solution. Independent voters like me are the symptom, not the problem.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:13 PM on 07/09/2008
- WFV I'm a Fan of WFV 13 fans permalink
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Idiot. There is so much more at stake than this one issue.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:37 AM on 07/10/2008
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You will make the right win and the progressives lose. If that is what you want, then you are no progressive

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:37 AM on 07/10/2008
- ohmercy I'm a Fan of ohmercy 25 fans permalink

OHMYGOD!
Give it up already.

Clinton is a co sponsor of this bill.
On her website is her position on FISA postedd in January.
Dear God.
Can't you all just give it a rest?
What would your comment be if she had voted with Obama?
She is sucking up to him?

I just started reading and already the childisn, ill informed pure crap is starting to make me bang my head against the wall.

If you had done any research at all... which I did, in depth, on all of the Candidates you would have realized that Clinton is somewhat more Progressive on Social Justice issues than Obama is. Hillary is somewhat less "progressive," more hawkish than Obama. (or at least we think so, who knows what tomorrow will bring.) Personally I think that is due to being a NY. Senator when 9/11 came down. None of the research I did showed a hawkish propensity before that.
Read Obama's book. He is centrist, he does triangulate and he does do and say whatever it takes to win the election.

I get political stances but FISA... no. that was the line in the sand that shouldn't be crossed.

To tell you the truth I'm surprised Clinton voted her conscience. I thought for sure she would back up Obama given that she will be campaigning for him etc.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:36 PM on 07/09/2008

Wow, it's amazing how volatile these responses have been.. especially since my first words were, "props to Hillary". For the record, I have looked at both their records, and Hillary is in not a progressive. She is a corporate, miltary-industrial, lobbyist-loving neo-liberal. Notice, however, that at no point did I say Obama was progressive either, and I totally agree about the triangulation and "say anything" parts, and that's why his feet need to be held to the fire by people like us.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:10 PM on 07/11/2008
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I am sorry you feel deceived, but as a progressive I do see the big picture and in this country you do have to compromise in some ways to be able to win an election. No candidate will ever win an election on an all progressive agenda. Bill Clinton was no liberal, he was a moderate democrat. Had he moved to the left, he would have never won. Obama 's presidency will do a lot of good in many ways and he may move again to the left once in power, just like Bush moved to the right. I will continue to support Obama and will double my donations because I don't want to see the GOP in power again. It is up to us progressives to set the agenda and influence Obama's policies once he is elected. If McCain wins we will never even get a chance to be heard. It is scary to think what his policies will be if he is elected. Then you will be yearning once again for Obama.Let 's not be divided over this. We will fail, the right will win.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:29 AM on 07/10/2008

"Bill Clinton was no liberal, he was a moderate democrat. Had he moved to the left, he would have never won."

Bill Clinton would never have sold out the Constitution to get elected. There are a lot of ways to "move to the right" than to merchandize the core principles of the Nation.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:39 AM on 07/10/2008
- shep1900 I'm a Fan of shep1900 6 fans permalink

Actually, if you honestly look at Senators Obama and Clinton on the issues (especially given his recent turn to the right, but even going back to Audacity of Hope), Senator Clinton is, and always has been, _considerably_ more progressive.

She destroyed her chances of winning by the hubris--and stupidity--of not copping to making a terrible mistake on her Iraq vote.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:48 AM on 07/10/2008

Can you please provide evidence? Believe me, I have done research on both the candidates, but just to revisit the issue I also just did a search on liberal/progressive ratings, and still don't see a single source that indicates Hillary is _considerably_ more progressive than Obama, as you claim.

here are a few i found:

http://progressivepatriots.com/senate/110byranking.html
http://www.nationaljournal.com/voteratings/sen/lib.htm
http://securingamerica.com/ccn/node/15757

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:23 PM on 07/11/2008
- presto I'm a Fan of presto 18 fans permalink

She is not "sucking up". This is what she said in January:

"This legislation deserves a thorough debate. Several provisions - including those which would have a profound impact on the civil liberties of Americans - need to be the subject of careful deliberation. For example, the bill under consideration gives telecommunication companies blanket retroactive immunity for their alleged cooperation in the administration's warrantless wiretapping program. I continue to believe that a grant of retroactive immunity is wrong, and I have cosponsored Senator Dodd's amendment to remove that provision from the bill. The Bush Administration has blatantly disregarded Americans' civil liberties over the past seven years, and I simply will not trust them to protect Americans' privacy rights. With the temporary Protect America Act set to expire on February 1st, I strongly believe that we need to pass balanced legislation that protects our civil liberties and the rule of law while giving our law enforcement and intelligence agencies the tools they need to protect our country."

And she stood by that. It matters.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:38 AM on 07/10/2008

Thanks for posting that, as I was not aware of it. In light of that, my "suck up" statement was inappropriate and incorrect.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:15 PM on 07/11/2008
- creekside I'm a Fan of creekside 2 fans permalink

It was greatly disappointed in Obama's vote. Nice to see Hillary doing the right thing.
Almost makes up for her threatening to nuke Iran in the debates.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:41 PM on 07/09/2008
- ohmercy I'm a Fan of ohmercy 25 fans permalink

Why do you say things like that?

a. As I recall it wasn't in the debates.
It was an interview with ABC news.

b. She didn't threaten to blow them up.
She was asked what she would do if Iran attacked Israel. Obviously this is talking hypothetically. She said that we would defend Israel and that Iran should realize that if they did attack Israelwe have the capacity to obliterate them.

What should she have said, I'll go have tea with both of them and see if we can work it out?

It gets so old reading all of this distorted junk over and over.
Christ, Obama won, you all can drop the lies and distortions now.
If you really think all of this is true then maybe you should do a little research.

What I find so ironic and exhausting, and stupefying is that if Obama were to be asked, and answered this same thing, right now, he would be defended to the death about how he must win the election. He has to say these things. He NEEDS to win, we must trust him, he knows what he is doing and once he is in power he will change.
blecchhh.
UGH.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:49 PM on 07/09/2008
- LarBear I'm a Fan of LarBear 30 fans permalink
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ohmercy...­. QUOTE: " Christ, Obama won, you all can drop the lies and distortions now."

Would that were so... Many are still attempting to rationalize their Hope of Change, they Belief projected onto Obama... His behavior is undermining many person's Beliefs about him... When One's Hopes are that invested, it is difficult to peer through One's Beliefs and perceive the person, as is...... Beliefs of course, create Reality...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:19 AM on 07/10/2008

Please.... she just said aloud what they all were thinking. What do you honestly think would happen Tel Aviv ended up a self lighting glass parking lot?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:57 PM on 07/09/2008
- mikeant50 I'm a Fan of mikeant50 2 fans permalink

Why are you censoring my comments. You guys are not better than the Republicans. Put that in your pipe and post it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:34 PM on 07/09/2008
- RTIII I'm a Fan of RTIII 85 fans permalink

Often enough, posts are just "lost" due to web site problems, not censorship. You can talk to the guys and gals who work on this site by sending email to HuffingtonPost.comPost.com.
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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:52 PM on 07/09/2008
- presto I'm a Fan of presto 18 fans permalink

What did you say that we need in our pipes? This site gets a gazillion comments. Sometimes it takes a while.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:42 AM on 07/10/2008
- mikeant50 I'm a Fan of mikeant50 2 fans permalink

Another self-serving act from Hillary Clinton. I'm surprised she didn't vote with her Republican buddies.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:32 PM on 07/09/2008
- foolchild0 I'm a Fan of foolchild0 5 fans permalink

?

I can't stand Hillary, but she got this right. How is it self-serving? She should be applauded, at least today.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:19 PM on 07/09/2008
- Boadicea I'm a Fan of Boadicea 64 fans permalink

It's just that she needs to win points with the left wing of her party if she's going to be on the Dem ticket. This was an opportunity for her to do that.

I'm fine with it, if it works and the left wing embraces Hillary for VP. She'd be a great VP as long as she never uses that kitchen sink campaign again!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:06 PM on 07/09/2008

She is self-serving - by voting against Obama - so that those wing-nuts that want to nominate her at the convention have a platform. Did you see Debbie Waserman this morning?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:19 PM on 07/09/2008
- presto I'm a Fan of presto 18 fans permalink

And how could she possibly have voted that would please you? Obama voted "with her Republican buddies". She voted against the bill. Had she voted for the bill, you would be just as critical, even if Obama voted exactly the same way. It was a yes or no vote. Tell me how "yes" would have been more acceptable to you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:14 PM on 07/09/2008

No O did. Your point?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:36 PM on 07/09/2008
- ohmercy I'm a Fan of ohmercy 25 fans permalink

LOL

the "logic" is astounding.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:01 PM on 07/09/2008
- seanosul I'm a Fan of seanosul 2 fans permalink

The hall of shame. Now it is up to the ACLU, the EFF and the Supreme Court

Baucus (D-MT)
Bayh (D-IN)
Carper (D-DE)
Casey (D-PA)
Conrad (D-ND)
Feinstein (D-CA)
Inouye (D-HI)
Johnson (D-SD)
Kohl (D-WI)
Landrieu (D-LA)
Lincoln (D-AR)
McCaskill (D-MO)
Mikulski (D-MD)
Nelson (D-FL)
Nelson (D-NE)
Obama (D-IL)
Pryor (D-AR)
Rockefeller (D-WV)
Salazar (D-CO)
Webb (D-VA)
Whitehouse (D-RI)
and
'Independent "Democrat" Lieberman CT

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:23 PM on 07/09/2008
- helen I'm a Fan of helen 34 fans permalink
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Good on you, Hillary.

Perhaps the wrong person has been nominated.­..

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:22 PM on 07/09/2008
- ckfan I'm a Fan of ckfan 86 fans permalink
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Yeah. Let's nominate the person who voted FOR the war. That's the person I want in charge. NOT!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:45 PM on 07/09/2008

But you will vote for the person who keeps voting to continue the war?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:14 PM on 07/09/2008
- presto I'm a Fan of presto 18 fans permalink

You're not keeping up.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:48 AM on 07/10/2008
- joe757 I'm a Fan of joe757 8 fans permalink

That's a very easy choice to make when you're not running for President.

Obama made the right choice in voting for it and not giving McCain more ammunition to fire at him. And if you pay attention to the bill and what Obama has said, let's just say that many doors have been left open. He just has to get in the White House first.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:47 PM on 07/09/2008
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I agree with you. Obama cannot win on an all progressive agenda. He has to move some to the right like Bill CLinton did. Once in the WHite House he will support progressive agendas. I cannot beleive som people are considering voting for McCAin. How can you turn against a mainly progressive candidate and vote for a conservative one who wants more wars, no changes and wants to favor the wealthy? The only losers here will mainstream America who is already suffering from the horrible Bush policies. If you vote for McCAin you are no progressive and no democrat. You are a republican who yearns to have more of Rove, Cheney and Bush.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:46 AM on 07/10/2008
- NeoStar9 I'm a Fan of NeoStar9 15 fans permalink

Please. She would be saying something completely different if she was the nominee. Lets not kid ourselves.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:02 PM on 07/09/2008
- shep1900 I'm a Fan of shep1900 6 fans permalink

It has _always_ been her position on FISA, as I commented up-thread. She might have moved a little to the center, had the Party nominated her, but I think we can safely say that she would _not_ have begun waffling on choice. That bothers me more than Senator Obama's craven FISA cave-in.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:49 AM on 07/10/2008
- presto I'm a Fan of presto 18 fans permalink

Clinton's position in January:

"This legislation deserves a thorough debate. Several provisions - including those which would have a profound impact on the civil liberties of Americans - need to be the subject of careful deliberation. For example, the bill under consideration gives telecommunication companies blanket retroactive immunity for their alleged cooperation in the administration's warrantless wiretapping program. I continue to believe that a grant of retroactive immunity is wrong, and I have cosponsored Senator Dodd's amendment to remove that provision from the bill. The Bush Administration has blatantly disregarded Americans' civil liberties over the past seven years, and I simply will not trust them to protect Americans' privacy rights. With the temporary Protect America Act set to expire on February 1st, I strongly believe that we need to pass balanced legislation that protects our civil liberties and the rule of law while giving our law enforcement and intelligence agencies the tools they need to protect our country."

Same position today. Who's kidding who?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:47 AM on 07/10/2008
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Hillary is to be commended for her vote but I don't believe she really meant it. She ran as a man, trying to be tougher than a man on foreign affairs. The vote would be inconsistent with her DLC ways and her campaign. No one can convince me that she would have voted the same way if she was the candidate for POTUS.
The vote only confirms her lack of sincerity.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:20 PM on 07/09/2008
- presto I'm a Fan of presto 18 fans permalink

Did you read what you wrote?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:14 PM on 07/09/2008

I suspect that she is still "campaigning", trying to appeal to the Left to help push her into the VP slot! Her vote against this bill today is not consistent with her centrist-right votes in the past on the Patriot Acts, the MCA (both versions), supplementals for the war, the Israeli/U.­S. attack on Lebanon, and the Kyl-Lieberman Acts, all of which have not previously shown her to be particularly concerned with oversight and loss of civil liberties!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:36 PM on 07/09/2008
- ohmercy I'm a Fan of ohmercy 25 fans permalink

links please.
Anyone can pout "facts" knowing that 99.9 percent of the readers here are just going to agree with you and add some of their own ill informed opinions.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:51 PM on 07/09/2008
- pdsimdars I'm a Fan of pdsimdars 6 fans permalink
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Whatever you think about motive, Hillary got this right and Barack got it wrong. And this was a deal breaker for me. I supported him STRONGLY and sent monthly donations, but
(1) he told us he would vote against immunity in February
(2) his oath of office is to protect and defend the constitution (not the status quo)
(3) experts in constitutional law have said this is a horrible thing for the 4th amendment
(4) either he didn't know what the bill really said or he failed to fulfill his oath.

Why would anyone with any personal integrity, allow this man to be the protector and defender of the constitution? If you would, you are making excuses.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:14 PM on 07/09/2008
- Boadicea I'm a Fan of Boadicea 64 fans permalink

I think Obama got it exactly right and it seems most of the country agrees.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:08 PM on 07/09/2008
- ohmercy I'm a Fan of ohmercy 25 fans permalink

huh?

What?
WTF are you talking about?

Is this supposed to be satire?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:35 PM on 07/09/2008
- pizzmoe I'm a Fan of pizzmoe 20 fans permalink

I don't care why she did it. She voted the right way and that's what is important

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:56 PM on 07/09/2008
- ckfan I'm a Fan of ckfan 86 fans permalink
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Yeah. . . and she voted the right way AGAINST the war, right? The lives lost are what's important here. She only voted NO this time because she she's still licking her wounds from losing to Obama and she's trying to look like she's the type of candidate who would do the right thing. Give me a break. She's a POLITICIAN folks - and very bad one at that.

Thank God she's not the nominee. I would hate to see her run this country the way she ran her campaign - poor judgment, poor budget skills, poor leaderships skills. Why can't she just go away, PLEASE.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:26 PM on 07/09/2008
- ohmercy I'm a Fan of ohmercy 25 fans permalink

Blah blah blah hate hate blah hate blah.
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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:20 PM on 07/09/2008

Hillary who!!!!!!!­!!!!!!!!!!­!!!!
Mr. Obama, made his choice re: the vote today, he is standing firm do not delude yourselves, Mr. Obama is a man of strong honor and knows what he is doing. So some of you don't like his desition!!!!!!!! big fat woop.
Ask yourselves: do you always like any desition your parents, teacher or subortenant make????? Didn't think so, so get a life.
Lastly, this blogger is extremely sick and tired of hearing about Hillay who, she has done nothing but kneecap Mr. Obama, now she wants help, well honey take your hat and stick it where you are highest when picking strawbwrries, you have no concern for anybody but your self, me, me, me, and if there is anything else left over thank's I'll take that too attitude, stick that too.
The people not voting for Mr. Obama are just as stupid and heartless as she is, you know the saying: birds of a feather, right!.
Hillary has done absolutely nothiong for women (I am 61 and self employed) but embarass the h...out of us, would ever in my dreams act the way she paraded herself (for a vote, laugh) around and pointed and notted and used language that was fit in a barn (was that not the people she was pandering to by the way) where are all you geeks now that she has her hat in hand looking for a handout.
People let's get real, she lives a lavish life you do not.
nuff

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:32 PM on 07/09/2008
- presto I'm a Fan of presto 18 fans permalink

Yikes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:14 PM on 07/09/2008

Rut Roh. Too scary.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:35 PM on 07/09/2008
- ohmercy I'm a Fan of ohmercy 25 fans permalink

LOL

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:35 PM on 07/09/2008
- ohmercy I'm a Fan of ohmercy 25 fans permalink

And yet here you are reading the post and doing your hate thang with your ill informed drivel.

amazing.

D E C I S I O N.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:22 PM on 07/09/2008
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Obama has, like many other members of the Democratic party, committed TREASON in my mind today. There is no other way to say it. The telecoms threw literally millions of dollars around, and the Congress people lapped it up like the dogs they are - Obama included. They LITERALLY THREW AWAY THE FOURTH AMENDMENT TO THE CONSTITUTION, and this country is now changed forever!! I hope you are proud of yourself, and you wonder why over 80% of the American people say we are on the wrong track.

Well, and nobody cares ut me, but Obama' s vote cost him my vote in November, and I hope there are enough of us that he gets the message. After giving him five donations, I QUIT. HE IS NO BETTER THAN ANY OTHER SLEAZY, PANDERING, LYING POLITICIAN, and now we know it.

Looks like Hillary is setting herself up for something.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:30 PM on 07/09/2008

GOOD FOR YOU, HILLARY, FOR VOTING ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THIS BILL!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:22 PM on 07/09/2008

I will be looking forward to hearing Obama's reasoning. It does not make sense that we should grant immunity from prosecution when we know the reason they were committing the activity was illegal. Bush needs to be impeached. Where in the Hell is Congress? What country are they working for? It can't be America!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:20 PM on 07/09/2008
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Darn you Hillary! You voted the right way, just when Barack was weasling his way out of this. How dare you!

And yes, I love her more.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:14 PM on 07/09/2008
- foolchild0 I'm a Fan of foolchild0 5 fans permalink

Hillary would have voted for it if she were the nominee. Wake up.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:19 PM on 07/09/2008
- presto I'm a Fan of presto 18 fans permalink

And you know this....ho­w? Brilliant deduction? Psychic abilities? Dreams? Inside information? Bias?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:18 PM on 07/09/2008
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