Clinton: Why I Voted No On FISA

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First Posted: 07- 9-08 05:00 PM   |   Updated: 07-17-08 05:12 AM

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The Senate passed a revamped version of FISA legislation on Wednesday. But that conclusion was never in doubt. The real intrigue surrounded which Democrats would buck the compromise, which included immunity for telecommunications companies, and what side Sen. Hillary Clinton would come down on.

Late this afternoon, Clinton voted against the bill, putting her at odds with the party's presumptive nominee, Barack Obama. In a statement put out by her Internet guru, Peter Daou, the New York Democrat struck a similar chord as her Illinois counterpart, describing the compromise as legislation that will "strengthen oversight of the administration's surveillance activities over previous drafts." She also, like Obama, pinpointed shortcomings in oversight, immunity, and other aspects of the compromise. But, in the end, she, unlike Obama, was persuaded to vote no.

"[A]ny surveillance program must contain safeguards to protect the rights of Americans against abuse, and to preserve clear lines of oversight and accountability over this administration. I applaud the efforts of my colleagues who negotiated this legislation, and I respect my colleagues who reached a different conclusion on today's vote. I do so because this is a difficult issue. Nonetheless, I could not vote for the legislation in its current form."

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"Congress must vigorously check and balance the president even in the face of dangerous enemies and at a time of war. That is what sets us apart. And that is what is vital to ensuring that any tool designed to protect us is used - and used within the law - for that purpose and that purpose alone. I believe my responsibility requires that I vote against this compromise, and I will continue to pursue reforms that will improve our ability to collect intelligence in our efforts to combat terror and to oversee that authority in Congress."

Full Statement Below

One of the great challenges before us as a nation is remaining steadfast in our fight against terrorism while preserving our commitment to the rule of law and individual liberty. As a senator from New York on September 11, I understand the importance of taking any and all necessary steps to protect our nation from those who would do us harm. I believe strongly that we must modernize our surveillance laws in order to provide intelligence professionals the tools needed to fight terrorism and make our country more secure. However, any surveillance program must contain safeguards to protect the rights of Americans against abuse, and to preserve clear lines of oversight and accountability over this administration. I applaud the efforts of my colleagues who negotiated this legislation, and I respect my colleagues who reached a different conclusion on today's vote. I do so because this is a difficult issue. Nonetheless, I could not vote for the legislation in its current form.

The legislation would overhaul the law that governs the administration's surveillance activities. Some of the legislation's provisions place guidelines and restrictions on the operational details of the surveillance activities, others increase judicial and legislative oversight of those activities, and still others relate to immunity for telecommunications companies that participated in the administration's surveillance activities.

While this legislation does strengthen oversight of the administration's surveillance activities over previous drafts, in many respects, the oversight in the bill continues to come up short. For instance, while the bill nominally calls for increased oversight by the FISA Court, its ability to serve as a meaningful check on the President's power is debatable. The clearest example of this is the limited power given to the FISA Court to review the government's targeting and minimization procedures.

But the legislation has other significant shortcomings. The legislation also makes no meaningful change to the immunity provisions. There is little disagreement that the legislation effectively grants retroactive immunity to the telecommunications companies. In my judgment, immunity under these circumstances has the practical effect of shutting down a critical avenue for holding the administration accountable for its conduct. It is precisely why I have supported efforts in the Senate to strip the bill of these provisions, both today and during previous debates on this subject. Unfortunately, these efforts have been unsuccessful.

What is more, even as we considered this legislation, the administration refused to allow the overwhelming majority of Senators to examine the warrantless wiretapping program. This made it exceedingly difficult for those Senators who are not on the Intelligence and Judiciary Committees to assess the need for the operational details of the legislation, and whether greater protections are necessary. The same can be said for an assessment of the telecom immunity provisions. On an issue of such tremendous importance to our citizens - and in particular to New Yorkers - all Senators should have been entitled to receive briefings that would have enabled them to make an informed decision about the merits of this legislation. I cannot support this legislation when we know neither the nature of the surveillance activities authorized nor the role played by telecommunications companies granted immunity.

Congress must vigorously check and balance the president even in the face of dangerous enemies and at a time of war. That is what sets us apart. And that is what is vital to ensuring that any tool designed to protect us is used - and used within the law - for that purpose and that purpose alone. I believe my responsibility requires that I vote against this compromise, and I will continue to pursue reforms that will improve our ability to collect intelligence in our efforts to combat terror and to oversee that authority in Congress.

The Senate passed a revamped version of FISA legislation on Wednesday. But that conclusion was never in doubt. The real intrigue surrounded which Democrats would buck the compromise, which included im...
The Senate passed a revamped version of FISA legislation on Wednesday. But that conclusion was never in doubt. The real intrigue surrounded which Democrats would buck the compromise, which included im...
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It doesn't matter what her reasons might be or not be, she made the CORRECT vote. Obama for all his high flying rhetoric, voted WRONG. Watch out for Hillary, she ain't done yet. She is smart, cunning, skillfull, and never misses a chance. Keep an eye on her, she might just thinking of trying something.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:50 PM on 07/09/2008
- dajay I'm a Fan of dajay 16 fans permalink

Hillary, we sure miss you. Mr. phoney baloney showed his true colors with this vote.

Note to OB supporters: I told you so.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:32 PM on 07/09/2008
- mredder4 I'm a Fan of mredder4 30 fans permalink

I'd rather my president have been wrong about a foreign war rather than illegal domestic wiretapping.

Thanks, super-left-wing, for this lemon you sold the party as the nominee.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:39 PM on 07/09/2008
- seanosul I'm a Fan of seanosul 3 fans permalink

So you would rather have a war which left however many hundreds of thousands dead and left the reputation of America in tatters than a (yes bad) bill that gives some legal protection for what was already being done?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:12 PM on 07/09/2008
- Mekarri I'm a Fan of Mekarri 36 fans permalink
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It does matter what her reasons are. This is why democrats always loose because they act as if everyone has to agree with you. Look at that old fool mcbush he is always saying stupid things, doing stupid things and yet the repug still go out their way to protect hm. That is how you win an election. I was a strong Hillar

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:01 PM on 07/09/2008

I don't really care why she voted against it- whether it was calculated or triangulated or whatever- I applaud her vote today. I would have voted for her in the primary if she hadn't voted in for the Iraq war or at least said flat out it was a mistake- a true mea culpa. Today I applaud any senator who voted against this joke of a law- republican, democrat- whatever. This bill should never have passed. All who voted for it violated their oath of office- you know, the part where it says, "preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States of America, from ALL enemies, foreign and DOMESTIC". They should be censured and removed from office.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:48 PM on 07/09/2008
- ebbtide I'm a Fan of ebbtide 16 fans permalink

I would have voted for her also, had she not made up an entire lie about dodging sniper fire in Bosnis. I would have voted for her also, had she not voted to let George Bush invade Iraq on lies and kill a million people in the process, and then supported it for two or more years. Now this.

Face it. She is still running against Obama and he is a fool to have anything to do with either of the Clintons as well as a fool to vote for this abomination of a bill.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:55 PM on 07/09/2008

Grow up and act like someone older than 11 please.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:20 PM on 07/09/2008
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Hear, Hear!! Spot on.

I encourage America to "vote the rascals out" that voted for this travesty today.

Thank you for standing up for your principles and the Constitution, Senator!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:13 PM on 07/09/2008

Well said.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:21 PM on 07/09/2008
- Relax08 I'm a Fan of Relax08 3 fans permalink

Ridiculous post. The Constitution has been protected. The only controversial thing about this compromise is the fact of "Civil Immunity"- ie. the right to sue someone. The Fourth Amendment has nothing to do with the right to sue. It has to do with "unreasonable" searches. SEarches are done all of the time for decades without court review until after the fact- and you are extremely naive to think otherwise.

Read your Constitution and get some education on the issues. You are being pander to by the left and sadly now by Hillary.

And read this and get a clue about what Obama is all about.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/peter-clothier/why-the-left-doesnt-get-o_b_111704.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:50 PM on 07/09/2008

Nice try, but it seems you too need to crack open the constitution. the constitution protects against unreasonable searches an seizures unless there is probable cause for a search, which of course, must be accompanied by a warrant. As you said, the warrant may be granted before or after the search, but a court must decide whether the search was legal under the fourth amendment. This bill prevents people who were spied on from asking a court to decided whether the act violated their fourth amendment right to privacy. This law, which circumvents the constitution, was passed with the help of, quite possibly, the next president of the US....sad!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:33 PM on 07/09/2008

BO wasn't in the Senate to vote on the Iraq resolution and has stated he didn't know how he would have voted if he was there. Remember, 77 Senators voted for it. Also, BO has voted for every war appropriation bill that has come up and he voted against a Dem amendment to set a time table to get the troops out. Read HRC's Iraq resolution. I did and was surprised by her reasoning. Google it.

Funny, when Clinton said that all he did against the war was make a speech, she got dumped on. Seems she was right. Talk is cheap -- an interchangeable. Ask yourself this, if BO had expressed all the changed or "refined" positions he now takes during the campaign, would you have supported and voted for him?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:02 PM on 07/09/2008
- jagoneely I'm a Fan of jagoneely 11 fans permalink
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Whatever. It's as I always say: those who dislike hillary will continue to do so - no matter what. I guess it's eats at some people that she said what many wished Obama had said. I know I wish he'd voted a big, fat NO.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:48 PM on 07/09/2008
- Bettysdad I'm a Fan of Bettysdad 63 fans permalink
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She'll challenge Obama at the convention.

She's never concede or released her delegates.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:47 PM on 07/09/2008
- dajay I'm a Fan of dajay 16 fans permalink

we should be so lucky. Unfortunately, we will be stuck with either Dumb or Dumber as President.

How sad.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:34 PM on 07/09/2008
- Relax08 I'm a Fan of Relax08 3 fans permalink

You must be troll. To suggest that Obama is dumb is well just STUPID!.

If not a troll, read this article and get a real clue about what is going on with Obama.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:51 PM on 07/09/2008
- seanosul I'm a Fan of seanosul 3 fans permalink

Clinton stars in - Terminator 4

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:34 PM on 07/09/2008

I wish she would.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:38 PM on 07/09/2008

Hillary, standing up against the Repubs and the Bush administration once again. For those who say, BO had to vote for this, just further proves that he is a typical politician and not the Messiah you all love. HILLARY could have easily voted YES if she wanted to further her chances to be VP but she didnt! HILLARY '12!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:43 PM on 07/09/2008

Excellent. Well said.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:25 PM on 07/09/2008
- AdLib I'm a Fan of AdLib 277 fans permalink
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Cheerleading every pro-Hlllary post and "booing" every post critical of Hlllary doesn't exactly betray much reasoning going on there..

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:52 PM on 07/09/2008
- Relax08 I'm a Fan of Relax08 3 fans permalink

BS. Wake up to what you are doing.
Read this article.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/peter-clothier/why-the-left-doesnt-get-o_b_111704.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:44 PM on 07/09/2008

The bloom is coming off the Obama rose.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:43 PM on 07/09/2008
- eshalom I'm a Fan of eshalom 14 fans permalink

The bloom left the Obama rose a few days ago, ThoughtAboutIt.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:41 PM on 07/09/2008
- lady49 I'm a Fan of lady49 9 fans permalink

Tha's what YOU THINK! Check out his donations!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:53 PM on 07/09/2008

Actually, I'd like to. Have his latest fundraising records been posted recently?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:39 PM on 07/09/2008
- ginnypoo I'm a Fan of ginnypoo 7 fans permalink

Once again Hillary stands up for our rights, while Obama chooses the more power for Obama route...he wants that power, so he votes for it. Hillary, not being in a position to grab for that power, which I do not think she would do ever, sees it clearer, and votes the way we all wish Obama had. Still, for some, it won't be enough as other posters are already demonstrating, but they wouldn't praise he no matter what, but, this is the way all dems wish Obama had voted. I'm once again proud of Hillary for her stand for the people and their rights over politics and I applaude her for making the right decision on civil rights. I knew she would, it's what her last year has been all about, we the people, it's changed her, and made her strong enough to go her own way. I think we may actually have a 'voice' in congress now. Unlike others that use poll-driven or blows with the wind, I see it as representing us and our views at the time we have them, it's the power of we the people, don't we want these people to vote how we want, how we feel things should go, why when she does is it spoken of as a negative.....IT'S CALLED REPRESENTING THE PEOPLE.....WE THE PEOPLE....IT'S A REALLY GOOD THING.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:42 PM on 07/09/2008
- ebbtide I'm a Fan of ebbtide 16 fans permalink

Except she lost the nomination, ran a horrific campaign and is now in debt for 20 mil which she expects someone else to pay for. Yeah wish I had that power to get others to pay for my flippant spending.. Quite thef ethical and moral candidate I would say. She lost in spite of great advantages. Patheticf campaign. She and Bill both lost and were vindictive fools in the way they behaved ever since Iowa.

No. She does not care about representing the people. She ignoredf the base. She is not for we the people. She is for Hillary and Bill and they are fast losing their glow.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:00 PM on 07/09/2008
- dajay I'm a Fan of dajay 16 fans permalink

ebbtide: It isn't about Hillary anymore. Your guy screwed up royally. It is head in November.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:39 PM on 07/09/2008
- cleffnote I'm a Fan of cleffnote 6 fans permalink
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Make that 10 million or less and going down by the hour. pay attention before you speak.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:58 PM on 07/09/2008

Ignored the base!! Are you nuts!!! She got over 18 million votes in the primary.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:07 PM on 07/09/2008
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It is very possible she would have voted no even if she had been the nominee.

She voted no while Barrack "I don't do cowering" Obama voted YES while cowering from the rightwing media.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:41 PM on 07/09/2008
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she's hoping on a huge Obama mistake so she can run in 2012

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:40 PM on 07/09/2008
- mosh I'm a Fan of mosh 10 fans permalink
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well, he just made one.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:06 PM on 07/09/2008
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And while the media keeps smacking Barack Obama over his FISA vote let us not forget this...

'Republican candidate John McCain skipped the FISA vote altogether.'

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:35 PM on 07/09/2008
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At least Obama had the brass to show up and vote, even if he voted the way I wouldn't have liked him to.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:57 PM on 07/09/2008

Do you realize that your standards for what you will accept from him are now so low that you are praising for showing up for work?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:21 PM on 07/09/2008

I guess that means he didn't vote for it. Very clever of him. Could it be like all of BO's "present" votes in the Illinois Senate?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:08 PM on 07/09/2008
- InDaZone I'm a Fan of InDaZone 2 fans permalink

I voted NO because Obama voted YES.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:33 PM on 07/09/2008
- sunny555 I'm a Fan of sunny555 12 fans permalink
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One year ago, Obama would have ABSOLUTELY voted against this bill. Obama's vote was one of political expediency, because it's such a reversal of his past position.

Who is the real Obama?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:55 PM on 07/09/2008

Follow the money trail and it's easy to see why Obama is protecting his corporate donors....That is the ONLY explanation for his vote. He had nothing, absolutely nothing, to lose by voting against it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:32 PM on 07/09/2008
- dajay I'm a Fan of dajay 16 fans permalink

Yep, will the real Barack Obama please stand up?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:19 PM on 07/09/2008
- dajay I'm a Fan of dajay 16 fans permalink

Like any OB supporter here could knock Hillary, after what their dopey phoney baloney candidate did.
Face it, you guys were duped.

Can't say I am surpised. you weren't the sharpest knives in the draw here anyway.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:36 PM on 07/09/2008
- gnostic19 I'm a Fan of gnostic19 2 fans permalink

were she the nominee, her vote would have been fFOR. It's convenient for her to appear steadfast in protecting civil liberties when she has nothing to gain from it except supposed admiration from the left. Too bad they already have her pegged for the opportunist that she is.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:25 PM on 07/09/2008

True.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:42 PM on 07/09/2008

And voting "yes" for a FISA bill that includes telecom immunity after having pledged to fillibuster any such bill makes Senator Obama what...a principled defender of the Constitution? You can ascribe whatever motives to Senator Clinton that you like, but the last time I checked, motivations aren't included in Senate vote tallies. The bottom line is that Barack caved and Hillary didn't.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:06 PM on 07/09/2008

Very cynical response. Nothing she does is good enough, not even it's the right vote. It's Obama's turn to be the centrist, triangulating, corporate panderer that he is. Why not direct your anger at the person who has earned it today for his unacceptable vote? Yes we can spy on Americans.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:37 PM on 07/09/2008

By that count, our presumptive nominee would have voted for the war were he in the senate.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:28 PM on 07/09/2008
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I'm not sure how Rupert's girl would have voted if she'd been in BHO's shoes, but it wasn't difficult to guess how she'd vote with him on the hot seat.
They are birds of a feather.
Chicken (D).

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:24 PM on 07/09/2008

Yep once again Clinton takes a safe road to garner more bucks to help her pay off her debt. IF she had been able to beat Obama and she were in his shoes? Needing the support of the House and Senate in this election? She would have voted for it just like she voted for the war when she thought THAT was the thing to do to garner support.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:21 PM on 07/09/2008

Wrong! Lies! Dis-information! Google her Senate speech before the Iraq resolution was voted on. You will be very surprised how seriously she took the vote and why she voted the way she did.
She wasn't a cheerleader for the war. Once in the Senate, BO voted for every war appropriation bill. If you are against the war, you don't vote to keep feeding it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:12 PM on 07/09/2008

Blah blah blah... she's never voted anything other than how the current political winds blew.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:20 PM on 07/09/2008

On the contrary, I think the wind was blowing in the other direction on this one, except for those on the far left (of which I am a proud member). I think this was a legitimate vote based on her personal views, and is in line with the leadership that had the courage to vote no on the final bill when the amendments (which they knew would not pass) were offered for the sole purpose of giving them political cover (hello Barack).

But at least Hillary and Barack showed up, more than McCain can say. Even Teddy Kennedy made it back for the health care vote today, despite his major health problems. Whatever damage Hillary's vote did against Barack, McCain completely undermined it by not attending.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:30 PM on 07/09/2008

The political winds were for the bill. That's why it passed. Fool.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:14 PM on 07/09/2008
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