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Debbie Stabenow Gets It Right On Iran

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July 9, 2008 02:51 PM


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Iran's missile launch has helped to renew a focus on foreign policy in the Presidential campaign diminished by economic issues. As a result, the competing policies of Senators John McCain and Barack Obama have been put into stark contrast. McCain responded to Iran's missile launch with the following statement:

Their behavior is obviously, has obviously, not changed, and their behavior is more and more threatening to the existence of the state of Israel, but far more as important as that, leading to a conflict in the Middle East which could draw the United States of America into that conflict and put brave young Americans' lives at risk.

Of course, it would be imprudent of McCain to point out the obvious: that Iran's increasing bellicosity is the natural and predictable outcome of the Bush administration's policies - which McCain wants to continue, despite the fact that they have hardly aided in avoiding "conflict" or taking "brave young Americans" out of harm's way. The Democrats should not assume that this will be a debate they can avoid, and they will have to counter the GOP's attempts to, as Matt Yglesias puts it, "spin the continuing failure of their approach to the region as evidence of their own correctness."

Serving that end today is Michigan Senator Debbie Stabenow, who was shown McCain's statement by Andrea Mitchell on MSNBC this afternoon. Stabenow's response, defending Barack Obama's contention that only a change in policy will reverse the negative trend in Middle East tensions, managed to hit all the right notes:

Well, actually, I say, no. A very strong no. Because, first of all, we've seen the relationship with Iran only get worse in the last eight years under the Bush/McCain policies. Eight years ago there were zero centrifuges, today there are 3,000 centrifuges. What we have seen is Iran being the biggest beneficiary from the war in Iraq, and policies that have gotten us to this point over the last eight years. I don't know how John McCain can argue that more of the same is going to make us safer. So, I believe very strongly that Barack Obama's focus on aggressive diplomacy, a focus on Iran as well as ending the war in Iraq, combining those two things, turning our focus to Iran, that is very serious threat, is a much better approach than what we've seen the last eight years.

[As a side note, the media has, obviously, been all atwitter with alarm over these missile tests, but it sort of makes you wonder how seriously they take the story when an anchor shifts, after a single question on the matter, to that other tremendous threat to the Republic, the Clinton debt.]

[WATCH]

MITCHELL: Joining me now, Senator Debbie Stabenow, Democrat from Michigan and originally a Clinton supporter, now supporting Barack Obama. Good to see you.

STABENOW: Good to see you.

MITCHELL: First of all, here we have this Iranian missile test, which certainly throws a lot of issues up between John McCain. And listen to what McCain had to say during a press conference in Pittsburgh today --

MCCAIN: Their behavior is obviously, has obviously, not changed, and their behavior is more and more threatening to the existence of the state of Israel, but far more as important as that, leading to a conflict in the Middle East which could draw the United States of America into that conflict and put brave young Americans' lives at risk.

MITCHELL: The Republicans are going to say that Barack Obama has been too soft on Iran in talking about negotiating with Iran, without preconditions. Does actions such as Iran's set the whole campaign on edge and make it tougher for someone with less foreign policy experience?

STABENOW: Well, actually, I say, no. A very strong no. Because, first of all, we've seen the relationship with Iran only get worse in the last eight years under the Bush/McCain policies. Eight years ago there were zero centrifuges, today there are 3,000 centrifuges. What we have seen is Iran being the biggest beneficiary from the war in Iraq, and policies that have gotten us to this point over the last eight years. I don't know how John McCain can argue that more of the same is going to make us safer. So, I believe very strongly that Barack Obama's focus on aggressive diplomacy, a focus on Iran as well as ending the war in Iraq, combining those two things, turning our focus to Iran, that is very serious threat, is a much better approach than what we've seen the last eight years.

 
 

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- keepemhonest See Profile I'm a Fan of keepemhonest permalink

Dear MSNBC, CNN & FOX -

Obama's Top Economic Advisor just said America is "A Nation of whiners" and we are merely in a "mental recession."

Run with it! Do your duty!!! Take this story and jam it down the People's throats for 2000 news cycles!

Get every single political strategist in the country on your shows to say how Obama's Top Economic Advisor just LOST Obama the election!

Repeat over and over and over "Obama's Top Economic Advisor, the man who WROTE Obama's economic policy, the man who Obama sent to the Wall Street Journal to give details on Obama's economic policy just called us a "Nation of whiners" and we're in a "mental recession."

Explain, at nauseam, Obama was too afraid the Wall Street Journal would ask for details about his Economic Policy so he sent his Top Economic Advisor. Remind your viewers Obama is out of touch and Obama said over and over this economy is "psychological" and Obama said, offshore drilling, Reward for building Electric Battery, gas tax holiday will have a "psychological benefit."

Report on THIS story so long that your viewers are so saturated with it they begin to dream about how: "This shows Obama clearly cannot relate to people in Pennsylvania,Indiana,Kentucky,Ohio."

ut oh...wait a minute...dang...It wasn't Obama's Top Economic Advisor that said that...it wasn't the man Obama sent to the Wall Street Journal that...it was John McCain's...never mind....go back to the Jesse Jackson story.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:32 AM on 07/11/2008
- keepemhonest See Profile I'm a Fan of keepemhonest permalink

Andrea Mitchell has an agenda ...

Andrea Mitchell from MSNBC is married to Alan Greenspan who publicly endorsed McCain & is good friends with Rove. Andrea Mitchell tossed out her journalistic ethics to help spread Rove's lies & helps hide the truth from the voters

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:31 AM on 07/11/2008
- julescator See Profile I'm a Fan of julescator permalink

I will continue to say that we will never have peace in the world until NO ONE has nuclear weapons or EVERYONE has nuclear weapons. Anything in between nets us the mess we are talking about daily!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:24 PM on 07/10/2008
- poco767b See Profile I'm a Fan of poco767b permalink

No, everyone we want to have nuclear weapons has them (read as America and Israel, maybe Norway) everyone else can have sticks of varying degrees of sharpness.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:06 AM on 07/11/2008
- ofbbg See Profile I'm a Fan of ofbbg permalink

Don't forget Pakistan, India, North Korea (Peoples Republic of, to you), South Africa (probably), Franc and China. And it wouldn't surprise me if Japan did, too. The world has become a VERY dangerous place! And NORWAY!!! Please!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:19 AM on 07/12/2008
- jazzman See Profile I'm a Fan of jazzman permalink

Let's face it. If we combine our trumped up charges of WMD in Iraq as a rationale for invasion of Iraq and then move on to use bellicose charges of a nuclear weapons program as a justification for attacking Iran and if we use nuclear weapons to do so we will have duplicated the aggressive propaganda strategy of Adolf Hitler in his justifications for entering Austria, Sudan, and Poland. Worse yet, a nuclear attack that could slaughter up to 20 million people would make Hitler's war crimes, including the Holocaust, pale in comparison. We would, in such an attack, replace Hitler and Stalin as the archvillians of history and it would be our children, not Germany's, that would have to come to grips with the terrible things that their parents had supported. Historians would have to figure out why no one in Washington, either Democrat or Republican, took aggressive steps to stop the madness. Military leaders would sound like the Generals of the Third Reich with their rationalizations that they were only following orders. Our history would be blackened beyond anything we can imagine. The stars and stripes, much like the Nazi flag, would be no longer a symbol of greatness but a symbol of shame.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:07 PM on 07/10/2008
- polaris12 See Profile I'm a Fan of polaris12 permalink

It's a very good point you make. Whenever I hear people arguing that the "surge is working," that fewer people are now being killed in Iraq than previously, thus justifying our ongoing occupation of the country; it misses completely the moral argument that you are making. What really is the moral difference between Bush/Cheney invading and occupying Iraq than Hitler invading and occupying Czechoslovakia and Poland? And we as a people have done no more to stop Bush than the Germans did to stop Hitler. Luckily, in WWII there were countervailing forces in the world to stop Hitler, but there has been no one to stop Bush/Cheney.
The United Nations is powerless and mute. And still we have the bellicose threats by Israel against Iran which could very well plunge the whole world into chaos.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:26 PM on 07/10/2008
- MBryant See Profile I'm a Fan of MBryant permalink

Why can't arrogant Americans figure out that
- we have the bomb and we are the country who has used it in a big way
- we have a prominent politican who sings "Bomb Bomb Bomb Iran" - even if it is in jest
- we have a warlikee, aggressive policy towards Iran and do not negotiate with them.
- we've called them part of the "axis of evil" and such...

Why is it irrational, crazy that they would want nuclear weapons? Of course they think they need them.. to defend themselves against us!

Diplomacy is the only answer here... To say they are crazy to test weapons of mass destruction when we are aggressive towards them and won't eliminate our own weapons is arrogant hypocracy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:25 PM on 07/10/2008
- ZenCrusader See Profile I'm a Fan of ZenCrusader permalink

Iran has been murdering Americans in Iraq for some time now. Iranian financed groups murder Israeli's regularly for many years. Iran would lead the Arab world if they wiped Israel off the map. Your tired & passe Blame America for the problems in the Middle East cliches coveniently ignores much of the truth. I agree with you that we seriously need diplomacy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:58 PM on 07/10/2008
- Collielady See Profile I'm a Fan of Collielady permalink

When America gets itself entangled in everything Middle East, then America is part of the problem. Our policy there IS the tired cliche.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:18 PM on 07/10/2008
- joebhed See Profile I'm a Fan of joebhed permalink

WOW !
I am totally amazed here.

i guess I missed the point.

It must have been something about ANDREA MITCHELL.
And the bigger MSNBC family.
Cause hat's what all the comments are about.
What a pile of crap.

And then, maybe the post was about Senator Stabenow - herself a pretty damned neat politician, as far as the politicians go.

But she wasted the opportunity to talk about Iran's help to this country against AlQaeda after 911, until stupid-face decided to call them EVIL.

But, more importantly to me, is the reference to Iran in her "terrific" response.
"turning our focus to Iran, that is a very serious threat,"
OK, so tell me Michiganders, why is Iran a very serious threat, again?
And, to whom?

What evidence do we have that Iran is a very serious threat?
After we overthrew their elected government?
After we backed chemical warfare by Iraq against Iran, killing millions?
After we shot down a civilian Iranian airliner for no good reason?

Yeah, maybe Ms. Stabenow is pretty quick on her feet.
But, I'm sorry, Jason, she did NOT get it right on Iran.
By a long shot.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:52 AM on 07/10/2008
- Drake4962 See Profile I'm a Fan of Drake4962 permalink

Although I do see the justification for calling Iran (more specifically Post-Shah Iran) threatening, I am able to agree with you and see a couple of things from their point of view.

Example #1: Did everyone forget the Israeli bomber test flight which occured just about a month ago, that obviously was staged as a theat to Iran? Sure Iran may be escalating the situation, but I can easily see this as a retaliation, and not the inciting of a conflict.

Example #2: Something I have never understood...We call these countries and their leaders evil because they are seaching for the means to understand nuclear weaponry. They are harrassed by the UN and US to shut down all nuclear plants which may be able to create weaponry. But for some reason unknown to me and anyone I know, the US is able to harness and keep tens of nuclear weapons, fire-ready, on our soil. Why is that?

Maybe they see us as evil...

Do you think John McCain has a chance of changing their mind?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:43 PM on 07/10/2008
- FLA1 See Profile I'm a Fan of FLA1 permalink

Isn't the answer obvious, the United States is rationale and can be trusted with nuclear weapons. Clearly, Iran is not...They are evil and cannot be trusted with nuclear weapons. They would surely use them for their diabolical scheme to take over the world. Ofcourse, these comments are all in jest, but this is such a complicated situation because they are such a major player in oil production that from a war standpoint, they are next to untouchable following the Iraq debacle. Whether you believe they can be trusted with nuclear weapons or shouldn't have them, the one thing that is certain is aggressive diplomacy is really our only option unless you are willing to risk war and $10/gallon oil.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:14 PM on 07/10/2008
- DexGor See Profile I'm a Fan of DexGor permalink

Certainly can't disagree with you, but it's all relative. Compared to most of the BS that's been spewed, the Sen's comments were really good.

I guess that reflects poorly on the nature of the debate in our country.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:03 AM on 07/10/2008
- joebhed See Profile I'm a Fan of joebhed permalink

Thanks,
Because that is exactly my point.

Not one politician dare speak the truth about Iran, either through their ignorance, or through their fear of the AIPAC lobby.

This carries over to Iraq.
There, we are backing the Shiite parties that are allied with Iran.
Not only Maliki's Dawa party, but the former Supreme Council for the Islamic Revolution in Iraq, now the SICI under Hakim the younger.

We bitterly oppose, and we search out and destroy, the Iraq-loving patriots who have been fighting against our invasion and occupation for over five years.

In so doing, we are promoting two distinct outcomes against our stated interests in Iraq.
We are further empowering Iran.
And we are dis-empowering both the Sunni and Shia Iraqi nationalists, who should be our number-one natural allies in the fight against AlQaeda.
Who, in turn, are supposed to be our enemies.

What's wrong with this picture?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:43 PM on 07/10/2008
- Canaris See Profile I'm a Fan of Canaris permalink

Someone might want to tell Sen. McCain that there is already a conflict in the Middle East that has drawn in the United States and put brave young American's lives at risk.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:14 AM on 07/10/2008
- mydogshakespeare See Profile I'm a Fan of mydogshakespeare permalink

Actually, the "conflict in the Meddle East" did not "draw in the United States". We invaded! Bush PUT brave your American's lives at risk. If there was any attraction, it was lies, propaganda,adventure, and generous enlistment bonuses that drew the soldiers, and it was the lure of massive oil and reconstruction profits that drew the attention of policy makers and their paymasters.

We were not "drawn" into Iraq.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:01 AM on 07/11/2008
- 873450 See Profile I'm a Fan of 873450 permalink

Andrea Mitchell occasionally comes up with a juicy, inside-politics tidbit obtained via her husband or some other longstanding beltway contact. Other than that, she is basically a repug talking-point leaker without any jounalistic credibility whatsoever.

Mitchell was the initial source of a whisper campaign spreading gossip about it being widely known throughout the Washington DC social circuit that Valerie Plame Wilson worked for the CIA. Both Tim Russert and Chris Matthews made her look like a fool by challenging her information, demanding to know where she got it from and who else knew about it. It became quite hilarious when she gave answers like, "I don't know where I got the information from." or "I must have dreamed it." or "What can I say? I'm crazy."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:47 AM on 07/10/2008
- Truthfighter1 See Profile I'm a Fan of Truthfighter1 permalink

We miss you Mr. Russert, you'd think after your leaving us these reporters would have more honor and start reporting both sides of their stories, however Mr. Russert this has not happen, I have seen more bold face lies, misinformation, half truths over the last couple of weeks from the media and the McCain campaign that it makes me sick.

Will the real reporters Stand Up!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:43 AM on 07/10/2008
- gladys46 See Profile I'm a Fan of gladys46 permalink

The Morning Joe show ought to be renamed "THE BARACK OBAMA SHOW" ... Joe's & Andrea's morning begins and continues with J.Jackson's desires to deball O and how that **gasp** aides O with Reagan dems??!! Really, black on black crime is somehow edging these "white" people toward O ... strange!!

Where's the morning time given Mc and his absence to cast his yea or nae to FISA, and what of Mc's rediculous crosshairs re Iran ... nothing!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:12 AM on 07/10/2008
- GrainOSand See Profile I'm a Fan of GrainOSand permalink

Mr. Linkins, your side note is the real story, the real sad story:

"As a side note, the media has, obviously, been all atwitter with alarm over these missile tests, but it sort of makes you wonder how seriously they take the story when an anchor shifts, after a single question on the matter, to that other tremendous threat to the Republic, the Clinton debt"

You deserve kudos for having the insight to catch this grievously unprofessional and insincere instance of the "paid for" media dropping the focus ball. It leaves no doubt of just how co-opted some in the media are when it comes to what they deem important for public focus versus what is important. Yet they want credibility -- Hmm?

The ABC coverage by Charlie Gibson was equally lean and slanted. Charlie really seems concerned about the money question in this election for he seems to take the liberty to try and covertly paint Obama as a typical tax and spend liberal every chance he gets. I do not watch ABC anymore after the debate fiasco (I stick to my word) but I get updates from someone I know who continues to watch all news shows for their coverage of the campaign. They say Charlie seems stuck on stupid concerning an obvious slant in bias towards McCain.


Lastly, Mrs. Stabenow rocked the house with her response. Iran has been emboldened and agitated by the antics of Bush.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:41 AM on 07/10/2008
- lisak2008 See Profile I'm a Fan of lisak2008 permalink

Let's not forget that Andrea was on the trip with HRC to Bosnia. When the story broke in the Washington Post in February with Sinbad's version that HRC's story was untrue, Andrea remained silent. It wasn't until AFTER CBSnews produced video that HRC was lying in April that Andrea decided to step up and say, "oh, btw, I was there too. HRC was lying." Let's not forget that Andrea's confession also came well after HRC already named Andrea's husband, Alan Greenspan, to her mortgage crisis team (or whatever she named it), notwithstanding the fact that Greenspan was namely responsible for the mortgage crisis in the first place.

Andrea's show sucks. She does not know how to interview anyone. Notice the looooong delay between the time that a question she asks is answered and her follow up response/question. It's almost as though she's waiting for someone to whisper in her earpiece what her next question/response should be! And, with the type of follow-up questions/responses that are asked/said, it's almost as though some airhead like Mika from Morning Joe is posing the question to pose or giving her the staement to make! I'll be glad when they cancel her show!!! Andrea and her show suck!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:38 PM on 07/09/2008
- VOTER See Profile I'm a Fan of VOTER permalink

Andrea Mitchell:

She is OLD.

She doesn't tell the truth as you have pointed out.

She is OLD.

She thinks like she is OLD.

SHE IS OLD.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:45 PM on 07/09/2008
- LeaveArtieAlone See Profile I'm a Fan of LeaveArtieAlone permalink

I am no fan of AM but if you are lucky YOU will get old some day as well! OLD does not always equate with bad!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:29 PM on 07/10/2008
- zann See Profile I'm a Fan of zann permalink

Old means rich with experience, wise if you paid attention along the way, calm, a little less energetic, sometimes forgetful of recent details, uglier by TV standards, and more aware of time. Hope you get there yourself someday.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:37 AM on 07/10/2008
- TheAdviceWeAllNeed See Profile I'm a Fan of TheAdviceWeAllNeed permalink

Mika better watch out she could look like this woman when she gets old

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:45 PM on 07/09/2008
- SouthpawSass See Profile I'm a Fan of SouthpawSass permalink

Andrea Mitchell wife of Alan Greenspan. Greenspan endorsed McCain. President McCain will put Greenspan as head of a committee to simplify the tax code.

Mitchell / Greenspan will benefit with a McCain Presidency. Why MSNBC has Mitchell front and center to me is a conflict of interest...

Mika does not come off as sharp when it comes to politics as I think she really may be.

Daytime MSNBC needs to make some changes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:35 AM on 07/10/2008
- VOTER See Profile I'm a Fan of VOTER permalink

Mika, "Giggle, giggle."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:16 AM on 07/10/2008
- obamanation31 See Profile I'm a Fan of obamanation31 permalink

That's right senator. You are absolutely correct.
But I must say to Andrea why is the burden of Hillary's debt on Obama's shoulder? If she get's $2 from each of her voters, she can retire her debt.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:05 PM on 07/09/2008
- NotMcCain See Profile I'm a Fan of NotMcCain permalink

Mitchell: "The Republicans are going to say that Barack Obama has been too soft on Iran in talking about negotiating with Iran, without preconditions.

Does...this make it tougher for someone with less foreign policy experience?"
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What a disgrace the MSM has become! They read the daily GOP email then just load their questions like this, putting Republican talking points into viewers minds as if they're FACTS!!!

Mitchell, like so many, should be fired. Or at least sent to journalism boot camp for a week or two to remember what good QUESTIONS look like (i.e. neutral and bias-free).

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:54 PM on 07/09/2008