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Rival Iraqi Shiite Camps Both Blast U.S. Security Agreement

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July 10, 2008 05:15 PM


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You can add two more Iraqi voices to those speaking out on the need to regulate U.S. military action in the country, or remove it altogether.

In an interview published Thursday by the Saudi-owned Asharq al-Awsat newspaper, Iraq's Vice President Adel Abdul-Mahdi said any renewed security agreement between Baghdad and Washington must "restrain or end the mission of multinational forces." (Original Arabic version available here.)

Abdul-Mahdi's interview clearly falls in line with a broader pattern of statements by elected officials in Baghdad who feel that major changes, even a timeline for withdrawal, must be made before any new security agreement is signed with the United States.

Speaking about the impunity with which he sees U.S.-led officials currently operating, Abdul-Mahdi told Asharq al Awsat:

"These forces arrest people according to their whim and enjoy full immunity. They enter and leave without the knowledge of Iraqi authorities and they carry out missions on their own. Such behavior must be restrained even if these forces are to remain for a single day, and regardless of their fate and whether we ask for their withdrawal or for them to remain for a while longer. Their presence must be regulated. The upper hand must be in Iraqi hands. In such issues, the Iraqi will must be in control. If we need anyone, we need him to play the role of an assistant and not to rule over us. This is the problem and this is what we are currently arguing about."

In the past, John McCain has attributed such rhetoric to the realities of the Iraqi political arena, where an occasional dig at the U.S. is quite obviously worth a few votes. And it's true that Thursday's remarks from Abdul-Mahdi are not surprising, given that he is a high-ranking leader in the Islamic Supreme Council of Iraq (ISCI), which is allied with Iraqi President Nouri al-Maliki -- who himself has been making some noises about needing to see a timetable for U.S. withdrawal.

As the Christian Science Monitor reported this week, the ISCI and Maliki are preparing to do electoral (and maybe some street) battle in provincial elections this October, with the portion of Iraq's Shiite electorate devoted to cleric Moqtada al-Sadr. Given that fact, a quick scan through today's Arabic-language press reveals a telling state of affairs. Even among two rival Shiite political cliques, there is agreement over one thing: the potentially damaging influence of an extended American military presence, and their mutual willingness to consider doing without it.

Speaking to the Palestinian-owned Al Quds al Arabi, Sadrist foreign relations adviser Sheikh Hassan al-Zarqani echoed Vice President Abdul-Mahdi when speaking derisively about the proposed security agreement, saying:

"[W]e clearly and publicly rejected this humiliating accord that undermines Iraq's sovereignty and the will of the Iraqis on all levels. There is no equality in this agreement since ... the US, enjoys all elements of power and supremacy, while ... the Iraqi government, is weak and frail." (Original Arabic here. Translation from subscription-only Mideastwire.com.)

Moreover, al-Zarqani called attention to a recent religious ruling, or fatwa, from the holy city of Najaf, which held that any further security agreement with American forces would be binding only to "those who signed it." Simply put, al-Zarqani was suggesting that if his partisans were ever to win enough control to impose their own will, they'd just as soon disregard any signed security agreement with the United States, regardless of the conditions currently being negotiated.

 
 

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- nyckingpin See Profile I'm a Fan of nyckingpin permalink

Well, at least we got two of the differing Iraqi political factions to agree on something: they want the U.S. out sooner rather than later.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:58 PM on 07/13/2008
- researcher See Profile I'm a Fan of researcher permalink

muslims give us our oil

we deserve it

we gave you freedom

now give us your oil

aint imperialism fun and corp profits galore

these third world countries are a breeze to invade and occupy and set up puppet governments and best of all no bid oil contracts

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:02 AM on 07/13/2008
- walkthewalk See Profile I'm a Fan of walkthewalk permalink

Read the Iraqi leaders' lips: No more occupation.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:49 PM on 07/11/2008
- debrouillard See Profile I'm a Fan of debrouillard permalink

After reading that,that dont even understand what sort of negotiations they are trying to do. Under the current rules,theres no Iraq.Iraq is like a camp where America's administration holds and keeps its prisoners. Under these current rules,American officials have the right to torture any one any where any time in Iraq. American officials dont required border checks and immigration control to enter Iraq and that includes all the Blackwater mercenaries and other mercenaries.

Under this rule America can commit whatever genocide they want in Iraq and wont be subjected to any trial. In fact under these rules,Rapist,serial murderers and Armed bandits in America has more rights than every Iraqi in Iraq.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:25 AM on 07/11/2008
- rajoro See Profile I'm a Fan of rajoro permalink

When are we going to face the facts. America has undergone a bloodless coup.

Sponsored by big oil, big banks, the defense industry with the willing cooperation of powerful families such as the Bush, Bin Ladens, Sauds and others.

Strategically they got the cooperation of the military which realizes they cannot function without oil. We just witnessed the largest theft of the treasury of a nation in the history of the world.

We the citizens are being told we have too much and our excess will be siphoned off and we will be re-educated as to what the reality of our economic success should be with a economic collapse that will constrict economies around the globe. Those with the cash will repurchase all the assets and the procees will begin again.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:20 AM on 07/11/2008
- Gatormouth See Profile I'm a Fan of Gatormouth permalink

Where do you get "bloodless"? Men and women of our military forces are still dieing unnecessarily as a result of the Supreme Court Coup of 2004.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:06 AM on 07/12/2008
- Gatormouth See Profile I'm a Fan of Gatormouth permalink

Sorry, The Supreme Court Coup of 2000. 2004 was the Election Fraud Coup. I guess they are starting to pile up. Do you think they are going to try to do it again? Dumb question. Without a justice Department, FBI et al, what are the Dems going to do about it? I expect to see Blackwater in the streets in "problem" districts next "maintaining order" outside polling places. I wish we had our National Guard troops back home and intact.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:22 AM on 07/12/2008
- VictorLudorum See Profile I'm a Fan of VictorLudorum permalink

buck up seth..get em here

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:12 AM on 07/11/2008
- VictorLudorum See Profile I'm a Fan of VictorLudorum permalink

what the article means is 'how is us war going to be written in history now,because GWB is not trying to wrap it up? The westerners still cant tell betwewen Shite or Sunni.The third world perhaps doesnt have an independant dollor. The kind of money i purchased Graphic Technology from USA...

THE GONG OF WAR NO 47 WENT OFF!

we are living in primitive times when it comes to the president.one junglee is appointed for four years and we blame and expect everything from him.

.hardly twenty years ago gwb wouldnt dream of taking a small course or attending a lessons class of what woirld rule and president of us mean.......

.hmm ,i wonder the moment i landed in usa 'ordinary people was released,maybe to explain we might not have a great class like european demgougues /aristrocratic nobilities that have turned into press and wont react to nothing.....

But the allied forces announced 47soldiers killed http://www.geo.tv/7-11-2008/20731.htm ,i say all this has a escuse in the jaws of the wolf 'ya better pay the 22 billion usd or i start robbing yer towns!

On the other hand the southern asians were enjoying banquets too in meeting called d8 ..what kind of joke ?because d only stands for 'dead' THEY WONT LISTEN BECAUSE 'THEY SWALLOWED THE HORSE!

God bless my spider ......

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:07 AM on 07/11/2008
- VictorLudorum See Profile I'm a Fan of VictorLudorum permalink

TRIGGER HAPPY JHONNY...

47 civilians killed in US-led strikes in Afghanistan
Updated at: 1856 PST, Friday, July 11, 2008
JALALABAD: An official investigation has found that US-led air strikes a week ago struck a wedding and killed 47 Afghan civilians, most of them women and children, officials said.

The US-led coalition had said that only militants died in the July 6 strikes in the mountains of eastern Nangarhar province.

A nine-member team appointed by President Hamid Karzai to look into the Nangarhar incident found that only civilians were killed in remote Deh Bala district, said the head of the mission, Burhanullah Shinwari.

"We found that 47 civilians, mostly women and children, were killed in the air strikes and another nine were wounded," said Shinwari, who is also the deputy speaker of Afghanistan's senate.

"They were all civilians and had no links with Taliban or Al-Qaeda," he said.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:02 AM on 07/11/2008
- Gatormouth See Profile I'm a Fan of Gatormouth permalink

Not only the "Rival Iraqi Shiite Camps" are unhappy with the U.S. Security Agreement", it appears a majority of U.S. voters are also less than pleased. From reading some of the world press, it seems the disapproval is quite wide spread. Outside of the Dead Enders in the Republican party and some profiteering international corporations (and their lobbyist shills) who does?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:26 AM on 07/11/2008
- arvay See Profile I'm a Fan of arvay permalink

I wonder if the Iraqis and Shiite militias know about this prep to use their country as a launching platform for an Israeli attack? someone needs top pass this along to them, so the street demonstrations can begin

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1215330937574&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:43 AM on 07/11/2008
- geobushono See Profile I'm a Fan of geobushono permalink

bring the troops home now....we lost the day we went in.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:24 AM on 07/11/2008
- mamacat See Profile I'm a Fan of mamacat permalink

If they want their sovereignty back, they must keep their demands in the press. If the U.S. MSM refuse to publish this, then at least we can depend on the international press to report it.

When everyone in America knows that the Iraqis are demanding the end of our invasion, then maybe we can stop the $12 billion per month boondoggle that benefits no one but the American corporations.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:12 AM on 07/11/2008
- DrittesReich See Profile I'm a Fan of DrittesReich permalink

U.S. MILITARY CODE OF CONDUCT

I. I am an American, fighting in the forces which guard my country and our way of life. I am prepared to give my life in their defense.

II. I will never surrender of my own free will. If in command, I will never surrender the members of my command while they still have the means to resist.

III. If I am captured I will continue to resist by all means available. I will make every effort to escape and to aid others to escape. I will accept neither parole nor special favors from the enemy.

IV. If I become a prisoner of war, I will keep faith with my fellow prisoners. I will give no information or take part in any action which might be harmful to my comrades. ...and will back them up in every way.

V. When questioned, should I become a prisoner of war, I am bound to only give name, rank, service number, and date of birth. I will evade answering further questions to the utmost of my ability. I will make no oral or written statements disloyal to my country and its allies or harmful to their cause.

VI. I will never forget that I am an American, fighting for freedom, responsible for my actions, and dedicated to the principles which made my country free. I will trust in my God and in the United States of America.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:56 AM on 07/11/2008
- Grunty1 See Profile I'm a Fan of Grunty1 permalink

Our soldiers are estentially prisoners of war right now, being held hostage by a crazy lunatic of a President.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:26 AM on 07/11/2008
- disillusionedamerican See Profile I'm a Fan of disillusionedamerican permalink

Previous wars have called for collective suffering or at least a call to help the war effort. Instead, Bush cuts taxes for the wealthy and balloons the deficit. Now a true American would realize that at times of war, we must all contribute to the cause. W's winking and back-slapping as his oil friends reap record profits. Where's the windfall tax? Gas prices are causing real inflation not to mention family budget nightmares. The dollar near historic lows, the trade deficit booming, the income gap between the rich and poor expanding, the housing market bust, the stock market reeling, and on and on. Bush has had a disastrous influence on our economy.

Bush and his neocons use government for their gain and use our military to lash out at perceived threats, kill masses of people, and stick our grandchildren with the debt. He breaks the law by wiretapping Americans, and then has Congress make it legal. He vacations while Katrina kills poor people who can't escape. He manipulates intelligence and public information to push his own agenda. He muscles in right-wing judges already eroding every civil right created in the last 50 years and imposing their righteous will. Now Bush wants to attack Iran, a country that hasn't attacked anyone in over 250 years, probably right before he leaves office, despite the most knowledgeable experts who say it would be a catastrophe.

Bush is the anti-Christ.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:42 AM on 07/11/2008
- MaryinMontcoPA See Profile I'm a Fan of MaryinMontcoPA permalink

Is any media reporting this in this country besides HuffPo and Truthout.org? American citizens would appreciate knowing that the Iraqis agree with us about ending this brutal occupation.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:48 PM on 07/10/2008
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