Rival Iraqi Shiite Camps Both Blast U.S. Security Agreement

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First Posted: 07-10-08 05:15 PM   |   Updated: 07-18-08 05:12 AM

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You can add two more Iraqi voices to those speaking out on the need to regulate U.S. military action in the country, or remove it altogether.

In an interview published Thursday by the Saudi-owned Asharq al-Awsat newspaper, Iraq's Vice President Adel Abdul-Mahdi said any renewed security agreement between Baghdad and Washington must "restrain or end the mission of multinational forces." (Original Arabic version available here.)

Abdul-Mahdi's interview clearly falls in line with a broader pattern of statements by elected officials in Baghdad who feel that major changes, even a timeline for withdrawal, must be made before any new security agreement is signed with the United States.

Speaking about the impunity with which he sees U.S.-led officials currently operating, Abdul-Mahdi told Asharq al Awsat:

"These forces arrest people according to their whim and enjoy full immunity. They enter and leave without the knowledge of Iraqi authorities and they carry out missions on their own. Such behavior must be restrained even if these forces are to remain for a single day, and regardless of their fate and whether we ask for their withdrawal or for them to remain for a while longer. Their presence must be regulated. The upper hand must be in Iraqi hands. In such issues, the Iraqi will must be in control. If we need anyone, we need him to play the role of an assistant and not to rule over us. This is the problem and this is what we are currently arguing about."

In the past, John McCain has attributed such rhetoric to the realities of the Iraqi political arena, where an occasional dig at the U.S. is quite obviously worth a few votes. And it's true that Thursday's remarks from Abdul-Mahdi are not surprising, given that he is a high-ranking leader in the Islamic Supreme Council of Iraq (ISCI), which is allied with Iraqi President Nouri al-Maliki -- who himself has been making some noises about needing to see a timetable for U.S. withdrawal.

As the Christian Science Monitor reported this week, the ISCI and Maliki are preparing to do electoral (and maybe some street) battle in provincial elections this October, with the portion of Iraq's Shiite electorate devoted to cleric Moqtada al-Sadr. Given that fact, a quick scan through today's Arabic-language press reveals a telling state of affairs. Even among two rival Shiite political cliques, there is agreement over one thing: the potentially damaging influence of an extended American military presence, and their mutual willingness to consider doing without it.

Speaking to the Palestinian-owned Al Quds al Arabi, Sadrist foreign relations adviser Sheikh Hassan al-Zarqani echoed Vice President Abdul-Mahdi when speaking derisively about the proposed security agreement, saying:

"[W]e clearly and publicly rejected this humiliating accord that undermines Iraq's sovereignty and the will of the Iraqis on all levels. There is no equality in this agreement since ... the US, enjoys all elements of power and supremacy, while ... the Iraqi government, is weak and frail." (Original Arabic here. Translation from subscription-only Mideastwire.com.)

Moreover, al-Zarqani called attention to a recent religious ruling, or fatwa, from the holy city of Najaf, which held that any further security agreement with American forces would be binding only to "those who signed it." Simply put, al-Zarqani was suggesting that if his partisans were ever to win enough control to impose their own will, they'd just as soon disregard any signed security agreement with the United States, regardless of the conditions currently being negotiated.

You can add two more Iraqi voices to those speaking out on the need to regulate U.S. military action in the country, or remove it altogether. In an interview published Thursday by the Saudi-owned Ash...
You can add two more Iraqi voices to those speaking out on the need to regulate U.S. military action in the country, or remove it altogether. In an interview published Thursday by the Saudi-owned Ash...
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Nice to see that all of our treasure & blood has brought unity of purpose to the Iraqi political debate.
Is this what "Mission Accomplished" is supposed to mean?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:19 PM on 07/10/2008

THE REVENGE OF THE WHTE HOUSE:
Knowing the vile and devious mind of Cheney and his neocon friends I wouldn't put anything past these criminals. With the price of gas at the pump creeping higher and higher with no solution from Wasington, launching a stike at Iran would shoot the price of gas to $12.00 or more a gallon according to some experts. So these is something Obama should take into consideration:
One possible scenario is for Isreal to launch an attack if Obama wins the election and with the government's pledge including Obama's to protect Isreal at all cost might force Obama be the fall guy and place the blame on the democratic party for bringing chaos to the US and the world.If he lets Isreal be obliterated then he will be blamed for not supporting our biggest ally in the middle east. He will be damned if he goes to war and damned if he doesn't. The question is weather Isreal take the gamble of getting US support

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:29 PM on 07/10/2008

Defending Israel at all cost is assuming that Israel will be the victim and not the aggressor.
Should Israel become the aggressor then the world will be defending Israel's victim.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:37 AM on 07/11/2008

I was reading all that Arabic until I got to اسئلتن and then I just got lost.

Any way ... Basic understanding ... If you're NOT wanted somewhere, YOU LEAVE

Unless of course you're a 61 year old librarian brandishing a McCain = Bush sign in front of a public facility because that is your RIGHT ... ( of free speech )

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:34 PM on 07/10/2008

At last we've found a point they can agree on! That's a start!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:24 PM on 07/10/2008
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"Moreover, al-Zarqani called attention to a recent religious ruling, or fatwa, from the holy city of Najaf, which held that any further security agreement with American forces would be binding only to "those who signed it." Simply put, al-Zarqani was suggesting that if his partisans were ever to win enough control to impose their own will, they'd just as soon disregard any signed security agreement with the United States, regardless of the conditions currently being negotiated­."

It's nice to see this put into print. While it will probably be underreported, at least some people will always be able to point to the fact that nobody speaks for Iraq. There will always be factions, sects, ethnicities, tribes and splinter groups that will recognize no agreement. Everybody will cut their own deal. Bribes, weapons, special considerations ... it will just never end. And our hapless occupiers will continue to "lose" munitions, continue to "misplace" pallets full of American taxpayer dollars and forfeit more and more American and Iraq lives for the neo-conman delusion.

Whenever you hear someone use the phrase, "mistakes were made" - as if this interminable catastrophe were somehow in the past, you can finish their sentence for them with " ... and will continue to be made for as long as we remain on their soil."

Iraq - where the failure never ends.

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:11 PM on 07/10/2008
- researcher I'm a Fan of researcher 109 fans permalink

whoops legal stealing not illegal stealing

slip of the type

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:00 PM on 07/10/2008
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Time to go Mr. Bush,
It was a failed policy from the beginning. The USA Military did it's job, however the American politicians failed the American public miserably. 3 Trillion Dollars, 4,000+ Service people Dead, 100,000 Iraci citizens dead!!!!!
Go go go OIL companies, this is the Bush/ Cheney energy plan?
McCain or McMoron, time for you to go as well. You represent nothing but greed, ignorance, arrogance , intolerance and nothing but Pig Headed Cold War Stupidity.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:51 PM on 07/10/2008
- Rog49Thomas I'm a Fan of Rog49Thomas 192 fans permalink

When he ran for office, Pan said he was a "uniter not a divider".

Apparently, he's doing just that in Iraq

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:44 PM on 07/10/2008
- BhunduBoy I'm a Fan of BhunduBoy 5 fans permalink

U.S. Security Agreement? It is not a Security Agreement. It is a permanent occupation imposition to control the oil.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:42 PM on 07/10/2008
- yankee452 I'm a Fan of yankee452 39 fans permalink
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The sad fact is that if we do end up leaving Iraq on their (Iraqi government's) terms, Republicans and certainly Mccain will spin that as surrender. They already are in some cases.

What they will not tell you is that our government has repeatedly claimed that we are there in force at the request of the Iraqi leadership.
Strangely enough the White House has not publicly addressed the recent Iraqi demands that US forces begin to draw down.

Our military has done the best job possible in deplorable conditions and in spite of derelict civilian leadership. But the reality here is that the political destiny of Iraq cannot be provided through US occupation, but instead through Iraqi people and their government. I just wonder whether our government (which is clearly nervous about the Shia majority's close ties to Iran), will honor the requests and shared agreements of a sovereign people and government.

Our desperate grasping for "national security interests" tells me the White House will ignore the Iraqi government.
But I am hopeful.

Obama '08!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:31 PM on 07/10/2008

There is no shame to admit ones shortcomings,indeed its a strength. When i get something wrong I hold my hand up and apologize straight away.I dont say,admitting that i am wrong to my nephew or younger brothers makes them any bigger or stronger than me or even wiser than me.

America keeps talking about surrendering,no one asked the question of why are we there in the first place? The reason,we have no reason for being there,which is why we are supposed to bundle our trucks and leave.McCa­in talks about winning the war,but never defines what winning the war constitute. Originally winning the war was to secure all those WMDs.Now that theres none meaning they will never find any,does that mean they gonna stay in forever looking for them?:

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:45 AM on 07/11/2008
- AnnieinOR I'm a Fan of AnnieinOR 24 fans permalink

Do we want to repeat apologies to the native americans and hawaiians in 100 years? We need to get out of a country that wants us out.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:22 PM on 07/10/2008
- Okieborn I'm a Fan of Okieborn 63 fans permalink

What in the Heck does it take to realize we are "NOT" wanted in Iraq !!
Give up your day dreams of being even richer Georgie Boy !! Forget your promises to the big oil companies, IT'S OVER -OVER THERE !!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:15 PM on 07/10/2008

Let's see how the current administration spins THIS! If they don't want us there, how will they sell continued occupation? Boy am I curious!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:48 PM on 07/10/2008
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Najaf is and will be the seat of power in Iraq. Mostly funded by Iran, time to come home.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:46 PM on 07/10/2008
- Mercedes I'm a Fan of Mercedes 24 fans permalink

I hope that EVERY Iraqi citizen, government official, and soldier yell at the top of their lungs for a Timetable for US to leave!

Maybe then, the Repubs will FINALLY believe Iraq wants US to GO HOME!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:22 PM on 07/10/2008
- TrueIndy08 I'm a Fan of TrueIndy08 31 fans permalink

as long as there is still oil to be pumped, the REPUBES aren't going anywhere!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:49 PM on 07/10/2008
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