Are Obama And McCain Ebbing Or Flowing?

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First Posted: 07-15-08 09:15 PM   |   Updated: 07-23-08 05:12 AM

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About a week ago, Republican media specialist Alex Castellanos asked pollster Scott Rasmussen to add a question to one of his surveys: If the November election were between Barack Obama and George W. Bush, who would you vote for? Obama crushed Bush 54-34.

Noting that tracking polls generally show just a 2 to 4 point edge for Obama over John McCain, Castellanos said the most obvious conclusion is that "McCain is not Bush." But more importantly, Castellanos argued, "It means McCain is not running against the Obama who won Iowa, but [against] the more polarizing Democrat [who] Hillary Clinton was beating like a drum in Texas, Kentucky, Ohio, Pennsylvania, West Virginia, etc."

In the current political environment, according to Castellanos, "where the GOP is in disgrace, the President is unpopular, gasoline is 5 bucks a gallon, housing prices are sinking, and the economy is in the toilet," Obama's slim lead "means he is not an acceptable Democrat. . . . Obama is in big trouble."

Rasmussen himself is not prepared to draw such dramatic conclusions, but he does think the data send a clear warning to the Obama camp:

"The basic question of this race is whether Obama can pass a certain threshold and be deemed 'acceptable' by enough people to move into the White House. Alex [Castellanos] says Obama is not acceptable. I say we don't know yet....For the first time in a long time, what the candidates and campaigns do in the fall will determine the winner."

While Castellanos is a Republican and Rasmussen is a conservative, a number of Democrats are voicing concerns about the quality of the Obama campaign.

Donna Brazile, who ran Al Gore's 2000 campaign, said the Obama campaign has had a "lousy start to the general election. Although the political environment continues to favor Obama and the Democrats, the candidate is still not fully on four cylinders."

Brazile is also critical of the McCain campaign, voicing what is becoming an increasingly widely held view that the two candidates are both failing to take full advantage of the ineptitude of the other. "McCain cannot seem to find a good team to help highlight all of his personal advantages. He must figure out how to distance himself from Bush without alienating the conservative base he needs to win in November," Brazile said.

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A key Democratic player in the 2004 contest, who requested anonymity, voiced a similar "pox on both your houses" assessment of the prospective nominees:

"The Obama campaign has become everything that caused the Clinton campaign to falter -- arrogance, 'no way we can get beat by that guy' mentality -- play it safe -- hold on to the lead mentality. With all that McCain is up against - the Bush years, a crumbling Republican Party -- and 15 months of 'Obama is amazing,' [McCain] should not be within single digits of Obama - particularly since he has run one of the worst campaigns in decades -- but he is still within striking distance."

Bob Beckel, who managed Walter F. Mondale's 1984 campaign, argues that Obama has lost his edge because he has started to follow the advice of political consultants - like Beckel himself:

"I finally got it. While I was holding Obama to a typical political standard, his supporters' standard, forged in the snows of Iowa and New Hampshire, was more elevated and exacting. To them, the 'Obama of Winter' had been a calling, while the [current] 'Obama of Summer' was causing an uncomfortable disconnect....My sense is that much of the reaction can be laid at the feet of the growing number of political advisers surrounding him. Political consultants, especially at the presidential level, are a cautious breed. Their instinct is to dumb down the candidates positions to the lowest common denominator to avoid offending the most number of voters."

Dan Gerstein, who ran Senator Joe Lieberman's 2006 Connecticut re-election campaign, argued that both Obama and McCain face huge obstacles, but that Obama has done a better job climbing over them:

"Obama has to quickly convince the millions of swing voters who will decide this race that he is not a Black Panther or Muslim stalking horse and that he is qualified to be commander in chief, after three-plus years in the U.S. Senate and no military experience. . . .McCain has to carry the twin albatrosses of a hugely unpopular and divisive president and a hugely unpopular and divisive shooting war; he must manage the ever-present tensions between his maverick record/tendencies and the demands of his base, and as a result spend critical energy every day just in preventing a right-wing revolt; and on top of all that, he must confront doubts about his age from across the political spectrum, and particularly among older voters who should be one of his most target-rich demos for poaching would-be Obama supporters."

In that context, Gerstein argued, "it seems no contest that Obama has run a better and tighter campaign. . . .a clear, consistent compelling message" promoted by a "very disciplined and effective" team. Conversely, Gerstein contends, McCain has failed to develop a rationale for his campaign "above and beyond his biography -- so far you could best describe his message as 'I'm old and white'."

Castellanos sharply disputed this assessment of the Republican candidate. "If McCain is doing so poorly, why is he doing so well?," Castellanos asked. "Could McCain have done a better job using his money and time this spring? Perhaps. but if you had asked the McCain folks back in March if they would be happy with a campaign that had them essentially tied with Obama with only a little more than 100 days to go, they would have asked, 'where do we sign?'"

About a week ago, Republican media specialist Alex Castellanos asked pollster Scott Rasmussen to add a question to one of his surveys: If the November election were between Barack Obama and George W. ...
About a week ago, Republican media specialist Alex Castellanos asked pollster Scott Rasmussen to add a question to one of his surveys: If the November election were between Barack Obama and George W. ...
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- loax I'm a Fan of loax 20 fans permalink

More "Fear Factor " from a Republican journalist! It is too earyl in this campaing for this polling. Wait till theend of Sept, and Obama will show your numbers you would not believe.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:52 AM on 07/16/2008
- Faxus I'm a Fan of Faxus 12 fans permalink
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You are 100% correct! Finally, a smart person, but you are probably being over confident. Contributions have fallen off sharply, enthusiasm is waning. People are tired and all of those young energetic young voters are now enjoying the summer. I hope they remember to come back and vote in November.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:32 AM on 07/16/2008
- Hillrick I'm a Fan of Hillrick 105 fans permalink
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Wow, what startling news! For weeks we hear news of one after another red state has just turned into a battleground state, how battleground states are now polling heavily towards Senator Obama, how McCain will now have to campaign in Arizona...­.things sure look grim!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:52 AM on 07/16/2008
- gregdeveer I'm a Fan of gregdeveer 3 fans permalink

Grim??!

Where you been? If polls are your thing, then Obama is better than EVER. Last three polls show leads of 8, 9, and 6. Regarding electoral votes, EVERY SINGLE map I've seen shows Obama ahead.

Not that it means much now. But you are the one who said things look grim... apart from this article written by a Republican from a conservative polling company (Rasmussen, WHO BY THE WAY, still shows Obama up by 4 points and leading in the electoral college 210-168) where's the beef?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:22 PM on 07/16/2008
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I don't see how Lieberman can claim McCain is better... he himself doesn't agree with most of what McCain has voted on or against in the past...

http://www.ontheissues.org/Joseph_Lieberman.htm

http://www.ontheissues.org/John_McCain.htm

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:44 AM on 07/16/2008
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The senator from Tel Aviv is only interested in one issue... Israel.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:35 AM on 07/16/2008

Lieberman is just another snake oil opportunist hitching his cart to the wrong horse....w­here is the Lieberman of 2000 who ran with Gore...whe­re is the McCain of 2000 who was running full steam ahead on the straight talk express...­oh right, derailed by the far right neocons and backstabbed by the Rove-ing mobs.

Notice how McCain is aping GWB's mike-handl­ing...look at the way he hunkers over his mike like GWB does...the body language tells all.
not like GWB? He WANTS to be GWB so badly...qu­estion is why?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:47 AM on 07/16/2008
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Obama and McCain are within single digits of each other because no one is paying any attention to this election right now. Americans tune in after labor day and the odd day when VPs are announced. Have we all completely forgotten that we are only people still keeping tabs on this election? The majority of Americans became exhausted from 24/7 election suspense months ago. It is a shame to with McCain's campaign blowing up in his face and nobody in the room to watch.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:11 AM on 07/16/2008

Election fatigue syndrome. This country has such an arcane electoral process that it seems we have to carbo-load to keep up.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:46 AM on 07/16/2008
- meleon I'm a Fan of meleon 7 fans permalink
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If anyone looks at my previous posts you will find that I'm a Obama supporter and not someone pretending to be only to interject some negativety.

Sadly, I think the reality that a black man could possibly be elected president will bring out the truth about many people who thought they didn't have an issue, or the same issues with race that those more honest and vocal about it have bee,

It's so sad the fact that he is by and large the best man for the job in every catagory will not matter, and they will risk betting it all on someone who is going to do little more than change the name on the letterhead of the WH stationary.

It sickens my stomach that race will win ther race, and it's going to be the most important factor for many.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:59 AM on 07/16/2008
- k6007 I'm a Fan of k6007 230 fans permalink
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It is NOT about 'race', if he were white, they'd use something else!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:22 AM on 07/16/2008
- timregler I'm a Fan of timregler 18 fans permalink

Then you'd best get to work, and help us overcome that!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:15 AM on 07/16/2008

"help us overcome that"- as if to say it's not your own fault, that you cannot look within and change yourself or at least work at it is a sign of the times.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:49 AM on 07/16/2008

So a Republican media specialist is saying that Obama is in big trouble? And this is worth writing about? Seriously?

The national polls don't mean anything. A state-by-state analysis shows that at this point, when there are still quite a few independents tuning the campaign out, Obama is in pretty good shape. He's looking good in PA and OH. He's crushing McCain in the upper Midwest. And there are states like VA and the Carolinas that show that Republican domination of the South may be coming to an end.

Democrats have a lot of reasons to be optimistic for November. Thomas Edsall needs to take a deep breath (and maybe a Xanax or two).

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:51 AM on 07/16/2008
- HallStyle I'm a Fan of HallStyle 11 fans permalink
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John McBUSH is so out of touch with the world.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:41 AM on 07/16/2008
- HallStyle I'm a Fan of HallStyle 11 fans permalink
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What is this article really about? I'm serious? I really don't know.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:37 AM on 07/16/2008
- k6007 I'm a Fan of k6007 230 fans permalink
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Nothing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:20 AM on 07/16/2008
- Kimberly46 I'm a Fan of Kimberly46 2 fans permalink

Obama and McCain are so close in the polls because Obama is a black man. This is the saddest reality. Some of us will vote McCain for all the wrong reasons, instead of voting for a black man for the right reasons.

Also, Rjmartinelli mentions below;

''You can never underestimate or understate the effect that negative campaigning can have; especially when such negative campaigning is made issue of (but not called out for and spoken out again) by every talking head on the television, while kindly turning a blind eye to the mudslinger's own transgressions unless they're so glaring that to ignore them would shatter all pretense of objectivit­y.''

Very well said and I totally agree.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:36 AM on 07/16/2008
- k6007 I'm a Fan of k6007 230 fans permalink
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Has little, if anything, to do with 'race'....­......Ker ry is white, 'they' did the same thing to him.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:21 AM on 07/16/2008
- 5150 I'm a Fan of 5150 3 fans permalink

How about this weather, 100 years old today and never looked better.
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whether you thrive or wither; it's the weather

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:20 AM on 07/16/2008
- MPeter I'm a Fan of MPeter 25 fans permalink

Here is a Daily Kos clip of MCFlip-Flop. Take a look: http://dailykos.com/

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:53 AM on 07/16/2008
- jhamm1 I'm a Fan of jhamm1 29 fans permalink

"Donna Brazile, who ran Al Gore's 2000 campaign, said the Obama campaign has had a "lousy start to the general election. "

Indeed, Brazile. Who knows more about winning than you?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:13 AM on 07/16/2008
- akryan I'm a Fan of akryan 2 fans permalink

Q poll just came out with Obama up by 9.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:02 AM on 07/16/2008
- Maury66 I'm a Fan of Maury66 5 fans permalink

Barak Obama is a Black Guy ......in case none of the handwringers have noticed...­..this has not changed...­.there are numbers of people who will not vote for him under any circumstances. This is the basis for the whole mysterious phenomenon of that percentage who "believe he is a Muslim". News flash folks....t­hey don't give a crap if he's a Muslim or not....its just an excuse....­.Jesus Christ himself could come down and declare Obama to be a Christian and these same people would still say the same thing.....­So get over it.....he can still win....tha­ts the beauty of it.....the racists can beaten this time.....

Obama 08

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:01 AM on 07/16/2008
- sparkandy I'm a Fan of sparkandy 28 fans permalink
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I only know one person voting for Obama. No one I know is voting for McCain because of Obama's race. It's because they don't trust him. He comes across as a snake oil salesman in their minds, all talk and no walk. And they're not voting for McCain happily - they're just voting for him because he's less obnoxious in their minds than Obama. This can be a pretty racist part of the country, but I never hear race mentioned - only Obama's perceived lack of honesty.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:24 AM on 07/16/2008

It's pretty bad when you can't vote for someone because you don't trust him and are therefore forced to vote for a guy you know is going to screw things up worse than they are already...­and whom you may not trust either.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:04 AM on 07/16/2008
- bwither I'm a Fan of bwither 42 fans permalink
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Agreed. Because a true patriot like John McCain would NEVER use his history as a POW to score political points, nor would he change the story to endear himself to a particular group of people.

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/07/11/when-mccain-was-interrogated-in-vietnam-he-loved-the-steelers-or-was-it-the-packers/

um. . . or not.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:05 AM on 07/16/2008
- BARRISTER I'm a Fan of BARRISTER 19 fans permalink

Sparkandy, it is when Race is NEVER mentioned that Race dominates the mind!!

Honest people would never vote for McCain, honest with themselves that is, as McCain is the continuation of, not only Front Frat Boy Bush, but the men behind the Curtain - the Rockefellar, Bushes, etc. - whose goal is One World, with them in charge.

Obama is nt with them. that is why the money people are throwing their gold behind McCain: they cannot afford a REAL PERSON to be in the Whitehouse. It must be a puppet, like Bush.

McCain = Bush = enslavement of Americans.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:08 AM on 07/16/2008

Thank You. How someone expects to win with no personal critism is beyond my intellect, but then I have already been labeled as dense and racist. Whatever..­...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:10 AM on 07/16/2008
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so obama is a less than trustworthy snake oil salesman, but mccain somehow isn't?

obama is obnoxious, but mccain somehow isn't?

and race doesn't play into this at all? doesn't sound like the people you talk to are very objective.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:41 AM on 07/16/2008
- Maury66 I'm a Fan of Maury66 5 fans permalink

that was supposed to be "can BE beaten this time". .....Yes, they can!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:25 AM on 07/16/2008
- CalliDem I'm a Fan of CalliDem 8 fans permalink

And this why I will not vote for obama. As a person who worked for civil rights her entire adult life I am sick to death of being called a racist because I did not think Obama was the best choice for America.

You just don't get it

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:55 AM on 07/16/2008
- NTO08 I'm a Fan of NTO08 19 fans permalink

Go Cynthia McKinney! No to corporate poltiicians like McCain and Obama, now!:

http://www.runcynthiarun.org/Endorsements/Editorial/BlackAgendaReports_GlenFord

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:07 AM on 07/16/2008
- woodbuck I'm a Fan of woodbuck 2 fans permalink

oh yeah, and while you vote green, and, elect mc cain, i hope you are going down to enlist, so some one else does not have to. you people never learn, the problem is that you make the rest of us suffer for your arrogant votes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:46 AM on 07/16/2008

Will you say the same thing about people writing in Ron Paul?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:05 AM on 07/16/2008

America cannot afford to leave Iraq and America cannot afford to stay in Iraq, Mc Cain or Obama will deal with this reality. Get Real......

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:13 AM on 07/16/2008
- scooperss I'm a Fan of scooperss 69 fans permalink
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Yeah your vote for obama instead of Kucinich is making us all suffer.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:40 AM on 07/16/2008
- numbnuts I'm a Fan of numbnuts 10 fans permalink
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Barack has stayed pretty much constant.
Mcsame has stayed pretty much mcsame.
The msm has done the ebbing and flowing.
How else can they stay in business!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:06 AM on 07/16/2008
- Maury66 I'm a Fan of Maury66 5 fans permalink

Poetry....­..economy of words....t­ruth.....a few more lines, a little rhyme scheme and you'd have an Ode ....or a sonnet

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:05 AM on 07/16/2008
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