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First Posted: 07-15-08 09:15 PM   |   Updated: 07-23-08 05:12 AM

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Mccain And Obama

About a week ago, Republican media specialist Alex Castellanos asked pollster Scott Rasmussen to add a question to one of his surveys: If the November election were between Barack Obama and George W. Bush, who would you vote for? Obama crushed Bush 54-34.

Noting that tracking polls generally show just a 2 to 4 point edge for Obama over John McCain, Castellanos said the most obvious conclusion is that "McCain is not Bush." But more importantly, Castellanos argued, "It means McCain is not running against the Obama who won Iowa, but [against] the more polarizing Democrat [who] Hillary Clinton was beating like a drum in Texas, Kentucky, Ohio, Pennsylvania, West Virginia, etc."

In the current political environment, according to Castellanos, "where the GOP is in disgrace, the President is unpopular, gasoline is 5 bucks a gallon, housing prices are sinking, and the economy is in the toilet," Obama's slim lead "means he is not an acceptable Democrat. . . . Obama is in big trouble."

Rasmussen himself is not prepared to draw such dramatic conclusions, but he does think the data send a clear warning to the Obama camp:

"The basic question of this race is whether Obama can pass a certain threshold and be deemed 'acceptable' by enough people to move into the White House. Alex [Castellanos] says Obama is not acceptable. I say we don't know yet....For the first time in a long time, what the candidates and campaigns do in the fall will determine the winner."

While Castellanos is a Republican and Rasmussen is a conservative, a number of Democrats are voicing concerns about the quality of the Obama campaign.

Donna Brazile, who ran Al Gore's 2000 campaign, said the Obama campaign has had a "lousy start to the general election. Although the political environment continues to favor Obama and the Democrats, the candidate is still not fully on four cylinders."

Brazile is also critical of the McCain campaign, voicing what is becoming an increasingly widely held view that the two candidates are both failing to take full advantage of the ineptitude of the other. "McCain cannot seem to find a good team to help highlight all of his personal advantages. He must figure out how to distance himself from Bush without alienating the conservative base he needs to win in November," Brazile said.

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A key Democratic player in the 2004 contest, who requested anonymity, voiced a similar "pox on both your houses" assessment of the prospective nominees:

"The Obama campaign has become everything that caused the Clinton campaign to falter -- arrogance, 'no way we can get beat by that guy' mentality -- play it safe -- hold on to the lead mentality. With all that McCain is up against - the Bush years, a crumbling Republican Party -- and 15 months of 'Obama is amazing,' [McCain] should not be within single digits of Obama - particularly since he has run one of the worst campaigns in decades -- but he is still within striking distance."

Bob Beckel, who managed Walter F. Mondale's 1984 campaign, argues that Obama has lost his edge because he has started to follow the advice of political consultants - like Beckel himself:

"I finally got it. While I was holding Obama to a typical political standard, his supporters' standard, forged in the snows of Iowa and New Hampshire, was more elevated and exacting. To them, the 'Obama of Winter' had been a calling, while the [current] 'Obama of Summer' was causing an uncomfortable disconnect....My sense is that much of the reaction can be laid at the feet of the growing number of political advisers surrounding him. Political consultants, especially at the presidential level, are a cautious breed. Their instinct is to dumb down the candidates positions to the lowest common denominator to avoid offending the most number of voters."

Dan Gerstein, who ran Senator Joe Lieberman's 2006 Connecticut re-election campaign, argued that both Obama and McCain face huge obstacles, but that Obama has done a better job climbing over them:

"Obama has to quickly convince the millions of swing voters who will decide this race that he is not a Black Panther or Muslim stalking horse and that he is qualified to be commander in chief, after three-plus years in the U.S. Senate and no military experience. . . .McCain has to carry the twin albatrosses of a hugely unpopular and divisive president and a hugely unpopular and divisive shooting war; he must manage the ever-present tensions between his maverick record/tendencies and the demands of his base, and as a result spend critical energy every day just in preventing a right-wing revolt; and on top of all that, he must confront doubts about his age from across the political spectrum, and particularly among older voters who should be one of his most target-rich demos for poaching would-be Obama supporters."

In that context, Gerstein argued, "it seems no contest that Obama has run a better and tighter campaign. . . .a clear, consistent compelling message" promoted by a "very disciplined and effective" team. Conversely, Gerstein contends, McCain has failed to develop a rationale for his campaign "above and beyond his biography -- so far you could best describe his message as 'I'm old and white'."

Castellanos sharply disputed this assessment of the Republican candidate. "If McCain is doing so poorly, why is he doing so well?," Castellanos asked. "Could McCain have done a better job using his money and time this spring? Perhaps. but if you had asked the McCain folks back in March if they would be happy with a campaign that had them essentially tied with Obama with only a little more than 100 days to go, they would have asked, 'where do we sign?'"

About a week ago, Republican media specialist Alex Castellanos asked pollster Scott Rasmussen to add a question to one of his surveys: If the November election were between Barack Obama and George W. ...
About a week ago, Republican media specialist Alex Castellanos asked pollster Scott Rasmussen to add a question to one of his surveys: If the November election were between Barack Obama and George W. ...
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- mergina I'm a Fan of mergina 84 fans permalink
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OBAMA cannot seem to latch on to those millions of voters clinton was able to attract. For whatever reason, he cannot, and that equates to NO GUARANTEES for him in the fall. Whether is it silly white people who only see his skin colour, or clinton supporters still upset with the way their candidate has been treated, women who felt like they were beaten up once again for supporting a woman who ran against him, who herself was politically gang raped in the primaries. Perhaps it is Obama's inability to convince voters that he actually knows what he is doing. The Republicans are masters of creating the illusion that their candidate DOES know what they are doing, when in reality they are only grooming a presidential puppet for the real powers$$$ that be who control ALL POLITICIANS to some degree. Obama's greatest blunder will be if he does not choose Clinton as a running mate. As a matter of fact, he should have ALREADY DONE SO.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:56 AM on 07/16/2008

when in reality they are only grooming a presidential puppet for the real powers$$$ that be who control ALL (PRO-WAR) POLITICIANS to some degree, THAT INCLUDES Obama.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:54 AM on 07/16/2008
- vippy I'm a Fan of vippy 67 fans permalink

Baloney of the highest order! Clinton did not attract 18 milliion voters. Though her votes were
similar to Obama, her money was the proof. Those people were from Operation Chaos.
We remember the Clinton's well and we won't them gone. I could not believe she even ran with her
long list of baggage. And check her voting record, she is a GOP Lite. No thank you, you had her
misjudged. She said all the right things but she despises you unless you of the elite.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:25 AM on 07/16/2008
- strandwolf I'm a Fan of strandwolf 6 fans permalink

Did she vote against FISA just to embarrass Obama?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:05 AM on 07/16/2008
- scooperss I'm a Fan of scooperss 69 fans permalink
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obama changed after his *secret* meeting that we all know about.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:43 AM on 07/16/2008
- Diogenis I'm a Fan of Diogenis 65 fans permalink

"The punishment suffered by the wise who refuse to take part in the government, is to live under the government of bad men." Plato The race is on and getting nastier. The media bought and controlled. The challenge is to be courageous enough to desire "change", and not be intimidated by "fear factors". America does not need another "puppet" in the White House with the endorsement of corporate moguls and zionist lobbyists undermining everything that America stands for. It's time to make drastic and courageous decisions, to reclaim the White House, to restore Americas dignity and reputation, and support a leader who is intellectual, wise, energetic, informed, articulate, and prepared to lead..on day one. Barack Obama!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:46 AM on 07/16/2008

AMEN Diogenis!~ Well stated with a good quote..... When people write about how many will never be able to vote for a Black man as President, it makes me cringe, but then I've been color blind since I was raised in integrated schools in Buffalo. When you go to school and play with children of all colors from a young age, you recognize how much alike we all are inside our skin. What I can't understand is how people would vote for what I call a "KEPT man". McCain, who I would have gladly supported in 2000, is anything but a maverick today and is being "KEPT" alive politically by corporate interests and lobbyists. I had great respect for him years ago, but that has long since dissipated as he has turned over his conscience to special interests and turned his back on the truth of the war in Iraq. It was a huge mistake and he knows it! Fortunately, we have the chance to turn the page on the last eight years and begin a tidal wave of change, if people aren't to afraid of the unfamiliar and are ready for it. Listen to the voice of reason and hope and elect Senator Obama. We can make a difference. The world is depending on us.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:07 AM on 07/16/2008
- Stringer32 I'm a Fan of Stringer32 2 fans permalink

Obama did not, even at the hight of his "magic" during the primaries, polled 5 points better than McCain. There is nothing Obama can do between now and the election that will result in him holding a solid 15 point lead over McCain nationally, the electorate has been far to polarized over the last 8 yrs for that to happen. Obama is doing just fine and will win handly in terms of the electoral college.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:04 AM on 07/16/2008
- arkgrfx61 I'm a Fan of arkgrfx61 4 fans permalink

thank you for not being such a negative nelly!
I don't think people truly understand what Obama is about.
Also, who's to say that the MSM isn't keep the polls close because they can. Makes ya wonder.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:42 AM on 07/16/2008
- BhunduBoy I'm a Fan of BhunduBoy 5 fans permalink

Obama has a 24 point lead in California. The race is nowhere near to be a close race. A close race or the appearence of a close race is good business for the press. Sure, Obama is playing safer. Just like in basketball when you are winning. When the stakes are so high as to win a presidential election, what's wrong with it. Maybe McCain is having better results than expected, something to take a careful look at, but no one see how could McCain possibly come even close to Obama. Obama is far, far away from McCain.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:39 AM on 07/16/2008

And that would be great if California was the only place in the U.S. that voted in the President, however it is not.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:21 AM on 07/16/2008
- Glacial I'm a Fan of Glacial 7 fans permalink

If I were the Obama campaign, I'd go all-out on this message:

There was a guy from Illinois who ran for President.
He was a lawyer, with some state legislature experience, then spent a few years as a US senator.
His critics said he had no experience.

His name was Abraham Lincoln.

Corny, but it's true and would defuse that whole 'experience' bullshit immediately.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:36 AM on 07/16/2008
- eshalom I'm a Fan of eshalom 14 fans permalink

Your argument is simply absurd. Comparing Barack Obama to Abraham Lincoln based on lack of experience - that would imply that anyone of the right age lacking appropriate experience for the job would qualify for president of the United States, arguably the most demanding job in the world at present.

Furthermore, there has been no evidence so far that Obama has the genius that was possessed by Lincoln. In fact, the latest background material on Obama offered in Ryan Lizza's fine article in the New Yorker on how Chicago shaped your candidate tells us that he is essentially a very skillful, old style Chicago politician who will do whatever it takes to win, whether or not he's qualified.

And you may not have noticed, but the nation and the world have changed considerably since the 19th century. Putting an amateur in the oval office in the 21st century is a frightening prospect. And the way Obama has been changing his positions lately to win votes ought to give any intelligent person pause in November.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:09 AM on 07/16/2008

While the comparison may be a stretch, Obama is not just an average citizen. I don't know about his "genius", but he was the president of the Harvard Law Review. He graduated top of his class at Harvard with magna cum laude honors.

The danger of personality politics is that the real issues are ignored. If you disagree with his policy, fine. If you have a problem with his voting record fine. Same is true if you agree. As far as "Do you trust him?", I think that is fair game too. But the argument, "He is just another politician!", is rediculous. No one gets to that level of government without being a politician. If you cannot connect with people and gain favor with them, you do not succeed in American politics.

I for one beleive that his grassroots movements and his instincts displayed during his brief senate career, and the campaigns so far has shown me his ability to lead in a consistant manner. His campaign has been very tightly run and controlled. None of the gaffes have come from his direct staff, only saragotes. His recognition that this is a new era by creating a new way to raise campaign funds has put the Democrats in a position they have never been in financially.
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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:43 AM on 07/16/2008

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John McCain has already admitted he does not know much about the economy. He graduated bottom of his Naval class. His advisors will be running our economy not him. Have you heard their own internal conflicts on how the economy is going? I for one am not willing to risk my economic future on another Republican White House, taking from the poor and giving to the rich. (FYI I am not one of the poor) It has crippled our economy, because wealth does NOT trickle down. Once it is accumulated, it is kept, not spread around.

Get beyond the personalities and get to the policies, please.

Chuck

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:43 AM on 07/16/2008
- emstrem I'm a Fan of emstrem 9 fans permalink
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Yep, Mighty Casey may indeed strike out, and I for one find it somewhat amusing. Ever since I was in high school and learned of how the democrats selected their candidate I've thought it was a joke. Super-delegates tossing their vote for whomever they want regardless of what their constituent's want is ludicrous. And for Hillary to spout off on how she *won* Michigan was also a joke. She was almost beat out by *other* with Obama not being on the ticket.

It is a travesty that we only have two choices for the most important job in the world. You cannot tell a democrat from a republican anymore, both parties are in it for themselves and their lobbyists. They are so far out of touch with the American people that it makes one's stomach turn. An honest to goodness third party with a legitimate shot at winning is sorely missing. We have two people running who are not liked much at all. Partisan politics is ruining this country, and it feels as if America is in it's death throes after only 225ish years. What this country needs is a frickin' revolution to take back OUR government.

IF, and that's a big IF Obama does get elected he'll probably be the 2nd worse president in American history. This country is in such a state of disrepair that whomever comes next will start off at such a disadvantage that it's almost impossible to not end up number 2.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:01 AM on 07/16/2008
- Diogenis I'm a Fan of Diogenis 65 fans permalink

Oh ye of little faith. Take a deep breath. Vote Obama! You already realize that in voting McCain, history will be repeated. Yet, we do not have that luxury any more. Yes, the next president will start of with disadvantages. And the only revolution we need is an intellectual one, with faith, and a firm belief that..toge­ther...we can effect change. Let's not buy into fear tactics, purchased journalists, and the deception fed to us by our current administration. Let's not stand idle and allow everything America stands for be taken away. After all, if we believe that it is "a government of the people, for the people, and by the people" we will all have to roll up our sleeves, makes some sacrifices, heal and restore our Nation. America is a changed Country since Sept. 11th. The world is a changed world.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:09 AM on 07/16/2008
- sparkandy I'm a Fan of sparkandy 28 fans permalink
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I love your optimism and enthusiasm. However, the truth is that no matter who's elected, most Americans are going to go on with their lives and leave the running of the country up to politicians. And when anything goes wrong, instead of blaming themselves for not participating more, they'll just blame the pols. If Obama wins the election, and doesn't produce, the half of the electorate that didn't vote for him will say, "I told you so." and the half that did vote for him will be so bitterly disappointed that a Democrat will not see the inside of the WH in the next 20 years.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:55 AM on 07/16/2008

http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.aspx?sm=aXLIlaf_2bbhd2AIUDxZkkIA_3d_3d

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:45 AM on 07/16/2008
- GLaB I'm a Fan of GLaB 3 fans permalink

So, where do we go to see your results?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:56 AM on 07/16/2008

A choice between two warmongers is NO choice at all.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:08 AM on 07/16/2008

Obama is fighting an uphill battle with the media. I stated this long ago that this will be his main enemy during the general election, not McCain.

However, I think he just needs to go back to his strength. That strength is to be talking and making speeches in front of large crowds. This will allow the people to come out just to see him and hear what his all about. They will also learn about his lifestyle, his upbringing and know that his just like any ordinary American. He needs to make his story known to the public like never before.

Sure that issue with FISA has made a lot of democrats angry and upset. This is why he needs to start making these speeches in big groups once again. To show that there are those that still willing to hear him out and to still support despite the FISA fiasco.

Obama has gone away from taking in front of large crowds. He is the most inspiring and most dynamic presidential speaker I think in American history. Its too bad the media won't help him get his message across. They are too busy trying to paint a pretty picture with McCain. Thats why its imperative that he needs to start bring out the crowds once again to hear him speak. To tell his story and to teach people his philosophy of change.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:31 AM on 07/16/2008
- Hillrick I'm a Fan of Hillrick 117 fans permalink
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I just saw Senator Obama at a town hall meeting and I have never seen anyone connect so well with an audience in my life. He does that pretty well too.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:47 AM on 07/16/2008
- Forest I'm a Fan of Forest 7 fans permalink

Against my better judgment I watched Anderson Cooper on CNN tonight. It's obvious that this network is molding McCain as being strong and on the offensive, "His Surge ad nauseum," while OBama is presented as being on a weaker, defensive track. There's more to this campaign than a "surge" mentality in a war that shouldn't have been, but we're being bamboozled into focusing on one faulty mission piled upon another upon another instead of seeing the longer view.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:28 AM on 07/16/2008

Obama is very much an enigma for this voter. However, there is a considerable amount of ambiguity surrounding McCain. In my case, I've been unable to discern whether McCain is an American Hero or a Maverick. Until, I'm able to resolve this doubt, I will be unable to vote for him.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:55 AM on 07/16/2008

McCain is barely treading water. Obama's trajectory was meteoric for awhile but he has ebbed and is now beginning a slow descent. His star peaked in late February and he has faded some since. Senator McCain is the weakest Republican since the last one from Arizona to run for President, yet Senator Obama has not been able to gain traction. Voters, including many Dems, have more questions about him now than they did during the primary season. He has become a politician, no longer a movement, and I find few of his supporters who have the same enthusiasm as before. Hillary brought out the best in him as a candidate and he has struggled to find his rhythm against an aging punched-out fighter like McCain. His views are no longer lofty or clear and he will be lucky to hold on if trends continue. That McCain is even within range is amazing given the political landscape. State by state, this thing will be a dogfight and unless he can find his swing, the Mighty Casey may strike out.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:27 AM on 07/16/2008
- Forest I'm a Fan of Forest 7 fans permalink

Hillary was the winner and everyone, even McCain's advisors and the MSM, knew it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:35 AM on 07/16/2008

Yes.......

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:19 AM on 07/16/2008
- vippy I'm a Fan of vippy 67 fans permalink

No, we did not want more of the Clinton's.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:33 AM on 07/16/2008
- PumaAnn I'm a Fan of PumaAnn 27 fans permalink

Rasmussen reported yesterday that Clinton is beating McCain handily in the polls. LOL* And she's not even in the race!

That's the momentum factor. She had it by the end. She had won people over the hard way, one voter at a time. She convinced people, and she won their hearts.

Obama squeaked by. He peaked in February.

It's very hard to get momentum going again now, and I think we're seeing that. It will only grow harder, too. He's on the defensive most of the time.

And it's becoming common knowledge that the Democrats shot themselves in the foot and put forth the weakest candidate.

Oh well......­2012!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:00 PM on 07/16/2008

A lot of you really need to get over this FISA thing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:26 AM on 07/16/2008
- strandwolf I'm a Fan of strandwolf 6 fans permalink

No. Thanks anyway but some won't take your well-intentioned{?} advice....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:20 AM on 07/16/2008

Those who complain the most about probably haven't even read the bill. Secondly, as far as you're concerned, if Bush did something-­anything(p­robably even eat his lunch)-and Obama doesn't want to banish him to the negative zone for it, then he's "just a politician­." Thirdly, a lot of you dopes don't even seem to get that it's not you who is being spied on, but terrorist suspects. And you can cry about ethics if you want to, but I personally don't want another terror attack. Americans are spoiled, funny people. You elect Bush in 2000, then complain about him from 2000 to 2004. But then you decide to elect him again in 2004. Then you complain from 2004 to 2008. And now you have McCain, who basically will drive this country further into the ground than it already is. But with Obama, at least you have a chance to gear this country back towards the right track. And although he hasn't even been elected yet, you're already complaining about him too. And I can't believe there are people here who complain about Bill and Hillary Clinton. Anybody who posts on this website would kill for at least half the success of Bill's time in office than what you have right now. And everyone is so butthurt over the negative campaigning Hill did during the primary season. That's politics! Seriously, that is politics. Christ on a friggin' stick, you people are amazing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:31 AM on 07/16/2008

Oh well, I guess they must be right. We might as well just all give up and vote for McCain and make it unanimous. NOT!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:10 AM on 07/16/2008
- williamg I'm a Fan of williamg 251 fans permalink
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Good old Alex Castellanos. The guy who produced the 2000 "Rats" ad. In the ad, the word "Rats" flashed on the screen next to a picture of Al Gore.

He also produced Jesse Helms "Hands" ad. As Wikipedia describes the ad:

The ad depicts a middle-aged, working class married white man receiving and crumpling a job application rejection notice sent because the job had been "given to a minority."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:02 AM on 07/16/2008
- Indubio I'm a Fan of Indubio 25 fans permalink

Edsall has one thing correct: Obama's present difficulties, if indeed they represent difficulties, are the result of his listening to political consultants. I'm astonished that any reasonable person would pay a political consultant any fee for advice because more often than not the advice usually proves wrong. Obama got where he is by using his own instincts and he's a damn fool if he doesn't toss his so called advisers out the door and go back to following his own mind. McCain is a wounded duck that so far hasn't been able to get his campaign off the ground. In fact, he's alreayd made enough gaffs that he rightfully shouldn;t still have a campaign. That he continues to be a viable candidate remains to be seen: My sense is that like just about every poll conducted in the last year including the recent ones are wrong because they have been designed to elicit answers the consultants want to hear (depending on how questions are asked a poll can generate whatever results it feels like generating­).. Consultants and the media want this election to be a close race and I suspect they'd do anything (including lying) to make it one. Don't trust polls and ignore consultants.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:56 AM on 07/16/2008
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