Are Obama And McCain Ebbing Or Flowing?

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First Posted: 07-15-08 09:15 PM   |   Updated: 07-23-08 05:12 AM

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About a week ago, Republican media specialist Alex Castellanos asked pollster Scott Rasmussen to add a question to one of his surveys: If the November election were between Barack Obama and George W. Bush, who would you vote for? Obama crushed Bush 54-34.

Noting that tracking polls generally show just a 2 to 4 point edge for Obama over John McCain, Castellanos said the most obvious conclusion is that "McCain is not Bush." But more importantly, Castellanos argued, "It means McCain is not running against the Obama who won Iowa, but [against] the more polarizing Democrat [who] Hillary Clinton was beating like a drum in Texas, Kentucky, Ohio, Pennsylvania, West Virginia, etc."

In the current political environment, according to Castellanos, "where the GOP is in disgrace, the President is unpopular, gasoline is 5 bucks a gallon, housing prices are sinking, and the economy is in the toilet," Obama's slim lead "means he is not an acceptable Democrat. . . . Obama is in big trouble."

Rasmussen himself is not prepared to draw such dramatic conclusions, but he does think the data send a clear warning to the Obama camp:

"The basic question of this race is whether Obama can pass a certain threshold and be deemed 'acceptable' by enough people to move into the White House. Alex [Castellanos] says Obama is not acceptable. I say we don't know yet....For the first time in a long time, what the candidates and campaigns do in the fall will determine the winner."

While Castellanos is a Republican and Rasmussen is a conservative, a number of Democrats are voicing concerns about the quality of the Obama campaign.

Donna Brazile, who ran Al Gore's 2000 campaign, said the Obama campaign has had a "lousy start to the general election. Although the political environment continues to favor Obama and the Democrats, the candidate is still not fully on four cylinders."

Brazile is also critical of the McCain campaign, voicing what is becoming an increasingly widely held view that the two candidates are both failing to take full advantage of the ineptitude of the other. "McCain cannot seem to find a good team to help highlight all of his personal advantages. He must figure out how to distance himself from Bush without alienating the conservative base he needs to win in November," Brazile said.

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A key Democratic player in the 2004 contest, who requested anonymity, voiced a similar "pox on both your houses" assessment of the prospective nominees:

"The Obama campaign has become everything that caused the Clinton campaign to falter -- arrogance, 'no way we can get beat by that guy' mentality -- play it safe -- hold on to the lead mentality. With all that McCain is up against - the Bush years, a crumbling Republican Party -- and 15 months of 'Obama is amazing,' [McCain] should not be within single digits of Obama - particularly since he has run one of the worst campaigns in decades -- but he is still within striking distance."

Bob Beckel, who managed Walter F. Mondale's 1984 campaign, argues that Obama has lost his edge because he has started to follow the advice of political consultants - like Beckel himself:

"I finally got it. While I was holding Obama to a typical political standard, his supporters' standard, forged in the snows of Iowa and New Hampshire, was more elevated and exacting. To them, the 'Obama of Winter' had been a calling, while the [current] 'Obama of Summer' was causing an uncomfortable disconnect....My sense is that much of the reaction can be laid at the feet of the growing number of political advisers surrounding him. Political consultants, especially at the presidential level, are a cautious breed. Their instinct is to dumb down the candidates positions to the lowest common denominator to avoid offending the most number of voters."

Dan Gerstein, who ran Senator Joe Lieberman's 2006 Connecticut re-election campaign, argued that both Obama and McCain face huge obstacles, but that Obama has done a better job climbing over them:

"Obama has to quickly convince the millions of swing voters who will decide this race that he is not a Black Panther or Muslim stalking horse and that he is qualified to be commander in chief, after three-plus years in the U.S. Senate and no military experience. . . .McCain has to carry the twin albatrosses of a hugely unpopular and divisive president and a hugely unpopular and divisive shooting war; he must manage the ever-present tensions between his maverick record/tendencies and the demands of his base, and as a result spend critical energy every day just in preventing a right-wing revolt; and on top of all that, he must confront doubts about his age from across the political spectrum, and particularly among older voters who should be one of his most target-rich demos for poaching would-be Obama supporters."

In that context, Gerstein argued, "it seems no contest that Obama has run a better and tighter campaign. . . .a clear, consistent compelling message" promoted by a "very disciplined and effective" team. Conversely, Gerstein contends, McCain has failed to develop a rationale for his campaign "above and beyond his biography -- so far you could best describe his message as 'I'm old and white'."

Castellanos sharply disputed this assessment of the Republican candidate. "If McCain is doing so poorly, why is he doing so well?," Castellanos asked. "Could McCain have done a better job using his money and time this spring? Perhaps. but if you had asked the McCain folks back in March if they would be happy with a campaign that had them essentially tied with Obama with only a little more than 100 days to go, they would have asked, 'where do we sign?'"

About a week ago, Republican media specialist Alex Castellanos asked pollster Scott Rasmussen to add a question to one of his surveys: If the November election were between Barack Obama and George W. ...
About a week ago, Republican media specialist Alex Castellanos asked pollster Scott Rasmussen to add a question to one of his surveys: If the November election were between Barack Obama and George W. ...
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Utter nonsense. The electorate is way too polarized for any candidate to achieve Reagan-style landslides or 15 point popular vote margins. Want really put into perspective how Obama is doing? Let's start with a fact - George Bush beat John Kerry in 2004 with a razor thin electoral majority created by a 2% win in Ohio - a state then controlled by Republican Governor Taft and arch conservative crooked elections chief Ken Blackwell. Ohio state government is now run by democrats. Now let's look at some polls courtesy electoral-vote.com. There are 51 electoral contests:

McCain is leading or tied in ZERO states won by John Kerry in 2004
Obama is leading or tied in NINE states won by GW Bush in 2004
McCain is currently polling a better number than Bush got in 2004 in ZERO states
Obama is currently polling a better number than Kerry got in 2004 in TWENTY-ONE states - even though "undecided" is a possible response to the polls.

When these people ask "Why isn't Obama doing better?", the response should be "How could he be doing any better?"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:11 PM on 07/15/2008
- LCLiberal I'm a Fan of LCLiberal 5 fans permalink

Obama's in trouble if he can't win voters who are tired of Bush. When they see McCain as a better option, it's bad,

http://www.political-buzz.com/

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:16 PM on 07/15/2008

Week after week Obama makes more gains in red states. I just don't get how he's supposed to be doing better.

National tracking polls are only a small part of the picture.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:27 PM on 07/15/2008
- firewmn I'm a Fan of firewmn 56 fans permalink
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It's Early,,, call me Nov. 5th when Barack Obama wins the election..­!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:44 PM on 07/15/2008
- smitallica I'm a Fan of smitallica 15 fans permalink
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No. Not true at all. there are some people out there who don't like Bush, but still consider themselves conservatives and see any Republican as better than a Democrat. Remember, some people disapprove of Bush not because he's completely incompetent and disastrous, but because he's not conservative ENOUGH. Those people will vote for the Republican no matter what.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:54 PM on 07/15/2008
- Fabienne I'm a Fan of Fabienne 31 fans permalink

I don't understand why Obama is accused of faltering. He voted for the FISA bill, which has caused a backlash, but as for his campaign, I do not see him doing anything differently than he has ever done. He is an African-American man, relatively unknown (because people seem too lazy to do their research), running in a still-racist country. I think he is doing quite well considering what he is up against.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:23 PM on 07/15/2008
- PumaAnn I'm a Fan of PumaAnn 27 fans permalink

Sorry, but the frontrunner doesn't get points for being slightly ahead. This was the year a Dem couldn't lose.

A new poll is out showing that Hillary would be beating McCain by more. Now, I wouldn't say such a poll is valid, but it IS telling.

The article points out some very real issues.

As for the solution, I think the idea that he can just talk hope and change is silly. That may have worked up until February, but this is the GE. People demand real answers.

And people aren't going to settle for pandering to them. McCain had to tell the Latinos yesterday that security of borders would come first. Did they like it? No. But he had to be honest. His party requires that. He tried to get a more liberal immigration bill through, and it got shot down. He's not going to pander to the Latinos now and pretend that border security is going away.

Obama needs to start talking like a real person instead of lecturing people. He should have said, "The surge is working better than we had thought it would. That is good news and calls for a shift in our thinking."

Until he can be honest, he's not going to move his numbers or convince anyone other than his ardent fans that he's reliable.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:00 AM on 07/16/2008
- harriscrl3 I'm a Fan of harriscrl3 191 fans permalink

I bet you were a former Hilary supporter. First of all there is a factor that people are ignoring as far as Obama that shows the fact that he is leading is an accomplishment in and of itself.

39% of Americans think Obama was once a Muslim
12% still think Obama is a muslim
Not to mention the emails that are flowing around. Not to mention the fact that he is the FRONT RUNNER and gets a harder time from the MSM.

Of course those things dont matter. Let me guess if it was HIlary she would be up by double digits just like Kerry was up by double digits and Dukakis was up by double digits and THEY LOST.

Maybe its a good thing for Obama. He never relaxes always out there campaigning and fighting. He doesnt take his front running status for granted UNLIKE a certian other candidate who did and LOST.

Then there is the little factor of the electoral college that he is beating McCain in there is the little factor that in states where Democrats need to win he is AHEAD of McCain and he is leading him in states like Wisconsin, Minnesota, Iowa and its close in some of those battleground states INCLUDING McCain's own homestate.

But of course those things dont matter Obama is GOD he is suppose to be leading he is suppose to be up by double digits in ALL 50 states.

Ridiculous

CArol

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:10 PM on 07/15/2008
- GLaB I'm a Fan of GLaB 3 fans permalink

"Maybe its a good thing for Obama. He never relaxes always out there campaigning and fighting. He doesnt take his front running status for granted UNLIKE a certian other candidate who did and LOST. "

Like his leaving the country in the middle of the campaign to mimic past American Presidents and sow up the all-important French and German vote?!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:04 AM on 07/16/2008

It's amazing how when the polls are tight suddenly, it's Obama's problem, yet when they weren't that close about a week or two ago, suddenly it was OMG....it can't be, there is no way a Black man named Obama can be ahead by that much. The notion that one poll tells the story is a bunch of bullshit from the GOP. I think Obama needs to retool, however, and stop tacking so much towards the center. McCain is beatable, as long as Obama remains left of center and doesn't become too much of a centrist. Otherwise this could spell trouble for the party.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:09 PM on 07/15/2008

I agree that both candidates have had a poor start, and it is hard to argue with the logic that the chap who supports the status quo is doing extremely well if the polls are to be believed. I have to admit that some of the pandering and triangulating the Democratic candidate has exhibited recently has been troubling. Especially the FISA bill. BHO needs to rediscover his sweet spot. He is missing the mark by deviating from the change theme. He probably will regain momentum after the convention, but he definitely needs to reach out to the traditional Democrats. I think he needs to consult John Edwards to help him with his speeches and vision. And while he is at it, he needs to start going after John McCain's retro policies. Giordy

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:55 PM on 07/15/2008
- Fabienne I'm a Fan of Fabienne 31 fans permalink

Aside from the FISA bill, what pandering and triangulating has Obama been doing?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:27 PM on 07/15/2008
- BillZBubb I'm a Fan of BillZBubb 54 fans permalink
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Supporting Bush's "faith based" baloney. Going before AIPAC and kissing their butts and talking foolishly about a unified Jerusalem. Talking about "refining" his Iraq withdrawal proposal. And there are others.

Obama at least wised up on Iraq after the negative fallout from his FISA dishonesty. He went back and restated his Iraq position in a way that progressives can approve of--if he sticks to it. And after FISA, that's a big if.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:17 PM on 07/15/2008
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