Biden Praises Obama's Spine, Tells McCain To Study History

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First Posted: 07-15-08 04:18 PM   |   Updated: 07-23-08 05:12 AM

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Sen. Joseph Biden started his speech to the Center for U.S. Global Engagement on Tuesday with the caveat that he is not an Obama insider. But he certainly played the part.

Saying that he knew the Illinois Democrat well from their time together on the campaign trail, Biden said of Obama, he "has the judgment, he has the intellect, which no one doubts, and I guarantee you he has the steel in his spine to lead this country of ours out of the deep hole we have dug ourselves into."

His Obama testimony now complete, Biden-the-surrogate turned to the other task at hand: ripping apart the foreign policy of Sen. John McCain. At times, his critique was scathing, accusing the presumptive Republican nominee of lacking the basic gravitas and intellectual capacity to navigate the choppy international waters.

"President Bush and Sen. McCain lump all the threats together," said Biden. "Al Qaeda, the Shia militia, listen to them speak. Listen to my friend Joe Lieberman, and he really is a friend, listen to them speak. Find me a distinction that they make. As a consequence of this profound confusion they make profound mistakes. The idea that al Qaeda will cooperate with the philistine, a guy who in fact used to run the country in Iraq, the guy who did away with the caliphate... is completely contrary to anything that the now-dead leader of Iraq had in mind. It's dangerous. How can we run a sound foreign policy without understanding these decisions? How can we talk about a Shiite-dominated nation cooperating with a Sunni dominated Wahabi sect of Islam as if they had anything in common? Yet listen to my friends, listen to the president, listen to Joe Lieberman, listen to John McCain. Ladies and gentlemen, if they can't define the enemy we are fighting it is very difficult to define whether we have won or lost."

It was a vintage Biden performance, with theatrical and abrupt changes in tone tempered by equally dramatic pauses. Defying the conventional wisdom that foreign policy critiques must come in digestible sound bites, he walked the crowd (already well-versed in Middle East affairs) through what he presented as the major fallacies in the McCain doctrine. Much time was spent on Iran.

"I find it fascinating, the twisted logic of my friends on the other side talking about how this allows Iran to fight a proxy war against us in Iraq," Biden roared. "Huh? Guess what. What more would Iran like than the continuation of a 140,000 to 160,000 Americans in Iraq, bogged down in Iraq, no end in sight. Tell me how much Ahmadinejad would like to inherit a fractured Iraq. Study history. The premises upon which they rationalize I find breathtaking. The idea that John [McCain] and Joe [Lieberman] are going to eliminate any vestige of Iranian influence in Iraq, bless me father for I have sinned. Are they unaware of a border that has existed there for millennium? Are they unaware of the fact that our guy, Maliki is inviting Ahmadinejad to Baghdad and kissing him on both cheeks, literally not figuratively. Are they unaware of the fact that this government in Iraq feels compelled to visit Tehran to explain what it is that they are attempting to do with a long-term security agreement?"

Biden did not address, directly, rumors of his high place on Barack Obama's short list of vice presidential candidates, choosing instead to make light of being flanked on the Washington Post's rankings by two women: Hillary Clinton and Kansas Governor Kathleen Sebelius. And he started the speech off with an ode to his own White House run, openly wondering how he, "the most qualified man to be president," could end up in the role of campaign surrogate.

"I don't know what I'm doing here," he told the crowd.

Sen. Joseph Biden started his speech to the Center for U.S. Global Engagement on Tuesday with the caveat that he is not an Obama insider. But he certainly played the part. Saying that he knew the Ill...
Sen. Joseph Biden started his speech to the Center for U.S. Global Engagement on Tuesday with the caveat that he is not an Obama insider. But he certainly played the part. Saying that he knew the Ill...
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- Krikkit I'm a Fan of Krikkit 14 fans permalink

In terms of national security policy, Joe Biden is without a doubt the most qualified of all the candidates we were presented. He would be an asset in any position in Obama's cabinet, but particularly as his national security advisor. Biden was out there in front exploring with the Pan-Arab world all the ramifications of the invasion well before Bush led us down this disastrous path. He knows the score better perhaps than anyone else in Washington. I understand his frustrations when he asked, "What am I doing here?" He's been shouting into the wind for a long time now. But maybe, just maybe he will be in a position to be heard now.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:42 PM on 07/15/2008
- duze I'm a Fan of duze 24 fans permalink

I love Joe Biden, always have always will, his attrack dog mode is just what the Dems need. He could mow down anything in Obama's way. But, lets not forget General Wesley Clark. Tried and True. Clark previously stated that "McCain's plane being shot down does not qualify him to be commander in chief". Clark also stated " If this were true all Obama would have to do is go down over enemy lines"
McCain would have to salute him. Clark doesn't have Biden's bite,but he damn sure knows what he's talking about, Obamas Clark. 08' Jim Webb backed out today, so get over it. Biden would be invaluable as Joint Chiefs of Staff, Commander in Chief. This suits him perfectly.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:42 PM on 07/15/2008
- paixa3 I'm a Fan of paixa3 25 fans permalink

Biden = Secretary of State, Clark = Secretary of defense?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:36 PM on 07/15/2008
- GuyFawkes I'm a Fan of GuyFawkes 28 fans permalink

Clark wasn't very good on the campaign in 2004, so I dunno. Maybe he's gotten better. But other than being a general, what else qualifies him? Ok, he yelled at Chris Matthews once. That was cool. But there's no historical precedent that just being a military guy makes you a lock to get votes.

But he'd be a sexier pick than Biden. But Biden just seems more qualified in all terms, though, to be honest, I doubt he'd want to be VP.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:23 PM on 07/15/2008
- lafrance I'm a Fan of lafrance 39 fans permalink

I am hoping that Biden is the vp pick. He would make such a dynamic team with Obama and surely can step in if need be. And the man is just qualified to be anything in the government.
Plus he has the street cred to take down this notion of McSame being mr foreign policy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:31 PM on 07/15/2008
- AllenD I'm a Fan of AllenD 36 fans permalink
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With Jim Webb and Jack Reed bowing out, Biden is by default becoming my choice. Either him or Bill Richardson. I'm still hoping that it won't be she that shall not be named.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:38 PM on 07/15/2008

He's a patriot!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:21 PM on 07/15/2008
- soithoni I'm a Fan of soithoni 7 fans permalink

Page not found.

Go back to your kennel.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:50 PM on 07/15/2008

Joe! Joe! Joe!
You've gotta get some new "friends'!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:16 PM on 07/15/2008

Joe Biden was my first choice of the Democratic candidates and I believe he would do well in any position.

Obama's biggest weakness is with the military. Although I believe Joe Biden would make a great VP, I don't believe an Obama/Biden ticket can win. Obama needs either Jim Webb or Wesley Clark as a running mate to strengthen the "military factor".

I like Jim Webb, but I believe Wesley Clark would be a better choice. He can be a genuine, well educated "attack dog". Clark was valedictorian of his class at West Point, a Rhodes Scholar with a degree in Philosophy, Politics and Economics from the University of Oxford.

He has appeal to the 55+ age group (a group that gives Obama low ratings) + he can put some Southern States in play. Even though he doesn't have a snowballs chance in hell of getting elected, Bob Barr is going to be a "spoiler" for McCain in some Southern States, and with Clark on the ticket Obama may well pickup up some red States electoral votes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:09 PM on 07/15/2008
- LizM I'm a Fan of LizM 49 fans permalink

No one would strengthen the "military factor" more than Senator Biden, the leader among Democrats on foreign policy and national security..­.and, the only one on the planet who intimately understands what will be required to end the civil war in Iraq without leaving a failed state behind and who has developed and honed a comprehensive strategy to promote a sustainable political solution there that has attracted the support of Congress, the permanent members of the UN Security Council, and most of Iraq's sectarian leaders, too!

I ask you...can Webb or Clark or anyone else top that?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:37 PM on 07/15/2008
- NotMcCain I'm a Fan of NotMcCain 74 fans permalink
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Clark helps in the South. Helps with Hillary voters. Helps to trounce McCain on "I know about winning wars" (Clark's actually won one).

Has McCain ever even won a battle? Clark can take him on for this pretentious and ridiculous claim.

Plus, he he's well-versed in economic as well as foreign and military matters. A class act, but he showed he can take on McCain when no one else is.

And...he's a genuine war hero. I think, temperament-wise, he'd match well with Obama (not sure Biden would--the #2 issue.)

Obama / Clark works for me.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:16 PM on 07/15/2008

" "I don't know what I'm doing here," he told the crowd."

Probably the only thing he got right

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:05 PM on 07/15/2008
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Pretty clear you never listened to any of the debates when Biden was running.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:27 PM on 07/15/2008
- Krikkit I'm a Fan of Krikkit 14 fans permalink

What cred have you got making a judgment like that?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:44 PM on 07/15/2008
- Tropiholic I'm a Fan of Tropiholic 20 fans permalink

"my friends, where am i?'

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:10 PM on 07/15/2008
- openhand I'm a Fan of openhand 35 fans permalink
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The only solution is for the U.S. to sponsor a summit of Iraq and its neighbours to set up a structure that can manage the redrafting of a constitution, a time table for ceasefire, elections and amnesty...

It is as critical that all neighbours have a voice (they have a real interest in peace) and that the U.S. has none. The only reason to stay 50 maybe 100 years is to protect the oil supply for U.S. consumption, this is hypocritical, untenable and the source of the conflict.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:00 PM on 07/15/2008
- Krikkit I'm a Fan of Krikkit 14 fans permalink

They've got a workable constitution, ratified by the people of Iraq. It needs some amendments in some fuzzy areas, but it does NOT need to be thrown out and rewritten.

Iraq's neighbors have some interest in peace, but they also have other interests that have to be addressed, not least of which is the Kurd problem in the north with Turkey. Also don't forget that all but Iran are Sunni nations that if they had their druthers would like to see Iraq fail utterly. Fortunately for all of us, none of these states are one-dimensional entities and they have other competing interests as well, interests that we and Iraq may be able to use to maintain some semblance of peace as it works out its problems.

What our one-dimensional news media fails to report is the tireless non-military efforts on the ground. If you want to find out who is making a real difference over there despite Bush's missteps, check out USIP.org (US Institute of Peace). They've been in Iraq since 2004.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:53 PM on 07/15/2008
- openhand I'm a Fan of openhand 35 fans permalink
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There are 2 problems with this.

1. The people of Iraq ratified a plea for peace, there could have been no real debate on a constitution during a civil war. There needs to be a ceasefire and a commitment to the process. The starting point is a belief that all parties want peace, which they do. Look at what Hammas has done as a government to see the commitment of groups untenable to the U.S.

2. The U.S. needs to agree to not having any executive power over the process. Their interest is not democracy but oil and hegemony. This hypocrisy needs to be stopped.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:33 PM on 07/16/2008
- NotMcCain I'm a Fan of NotMcCain 74 fans permalink
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Okay, I've been down on Biden because I think he's too much of a loose cannon and too arrogant to be in the cabinet.

But he's kind of turning me around with all this. Because gutsy, take-no-prisoners, fire-in-the-belly Democrats are few and far between. (Clark was one--and a great one--and look how they treated him!)

So, anyone who comes out swinging against McCain--AND strongly supporting Obama in the process (something I never saw from Webb--gets big points in my book.

Give 'em hell, Joe! And....tha­nk you!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:57 PM on 07/15/2008
- Nolewoman I'm a Fan of Nolewoman 4 fans permalink

I like Joe Biden, for all of your reasons and some of my own. I also like Bill Richardson. I think either one has a lot to bring to the ticket.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:44 PM on 07/15/2008
- LizM I'm a Fan of LizM 49 fans permalink

I appreciate your comments..­.very much! I have always found it difficult to understand how "loose cannon" and "arrogant" and the like could ever be used to define who Senator Biden is and what he is all about.

And, if Senator Obama is wise enough to ask Joe Biden to be at his side as Vice President With Special Portfolio on Iraq, then I predict that there will be many in this country who will be literally scratching their heads wondering why on earth Biden isn't at the top of the ticket!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:45 PM on 07/15/2008
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I've been scratching my head wondering that for the past 7 months.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:26 PM on 07/15/2008
- Krikkit I'm a Fan of Krikkit 14 fans permalink

It is common to mistake deep command of a subject with arrogance. I'm glad you've got a way now to make a distinction between these two in Biden's case.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:55 PM on 07/15/2008

Man I would love to see Joe biden as Barack's VP pick.

It'd be nice to see someone who can properly advise Barack of the intricacies of the situations in the Middle East.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:57 PM on 07/15/2008
- UpstateNY I'm a Fan of UpstateNY 38 fans permalink

This nuanced approach to foreign policy is exactly what we need so badly and have been missing to disasterous ends for the past 8 years.

Biden was my first pick in the primaries - now, he is my first pick as VP. He would be terrific!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:55 PM on 07/15/2008
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I keep telling y'all....

OBAMA/BIDEN 2008-2013!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:55 PM on 07/15/2008

word!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:16 PM on 07/15/2008
- Nyland8 I'm a Fan of Nyland8 90 fans permalink
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Biden would make a first class Secretary of State - arguably the best in some decades. He should be given the shot. It would be a perfect cap to a long, long career in public service.

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:40 PM on 07/15/2008
- DMSmith I'm a Fan of DMSmith 17 fans permalink

He might actually have more ultimate power to change and effect the reality of the world we live in as Secretary of State. Along with Clark as VP, Hilary at Health and Human Services, Edwards as Attorney General...

THEN we'd get this country turned around and become the positive influence we've always prided ourselves on being in the world. This team would ROCK!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:46 PM on 07/15/2008
- Krikkit I'm a Fan of Krikkit 14 fans permalink

He would indeed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:56 PM on 07/15/2008

Biden just scored 20 points for VP effort. Now if only he could give those PUMA's a good toungue lashing and some back stabing democratic congress, I would think that he would be a perfect fit. although he might have to man handle Hill-billy for it even after he is being chosen fair and square.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:38 PM on 07/15/2008
- KBAR I'm a Fan of KBAR 28 fans permalink
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Senate Foreign Relations Committee Chairman Joe Biden On Obama's Iraq Rhetoric: "I don't recall hearing a word from Barack about a plan or a tactic." (Jason Horowitz, "Biden Unbound: Lays Into Clinton, Obama, Edwards," The New York Observer, 2/4/07)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:41 PM on 07/15/2008
- DaOne I'm a Fan of DaOne 45 fans permalink
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John McCain ripped into Mitt Romney today, claiming his Republican presidential rival had wanted to set a timetable for an Iraqi withdrawal, and then rejected Romney's indignant denial and request for an apology.

I guess Mitt won't be McBush's VP

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote2008/Story?id=4195687&page=1

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:44 PM on 07/15/2008
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Water under the bridge,Kba­r.At that time, no one else had either. In fact, Biden was the only one with a plan. So, now Obama has developed his plans and policy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:29 PM on 07/15/2008
- Mojane I'm a Fan of Mojane 11 fans permalink

That was then, this is now. They were running against one another at the time.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:46 PM on 07/15/2008
- LizM I'm a Fan of LizM 49 fans permalink

Actually, Senator Biden would have been correct about this when he said it and it remains a valid point. It may also be the reason why Obama doesn't choose Biden as VP (and why that will give us President McCain in 2009) and why Biden would never accept the role of SoS in an Obama administra­tion...if you know what I mean, and I'm not sure that you do.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:56 PM on 07/15/2008
- Krikkit I'm a Fan of Krikkit 14 fans permalink

Tactical plans belong to the military leaders, not to the politicians who have to focus on strategy. This sounds disengenuous, but then again, it's a sound bite, so the context may be misleading.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:57 PM on 07/15/2008
- Krikkit I'm a Fan of Krikkit 14 fans permalink

PUMAs get too much air time already. They are so few in number that they represent nothing more than noise in the system. Joe's time is better spent elsewhere, as is true for the rest of us.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:55 PM on 07/15/2008

Biden is the 'ish!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:32 PM on 07/15/2008
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