Biden Praises Obama's Spine, Tells McCain To Study History

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First Posted: 07-15-08 04:18 PM   |   Updated: 07-23-08 05:12 AM

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Sen. Joseph Biden started his speech to the Center for U.S. Global Engagement on Tuesday with the caveat that he is not an Obama insider. But he certainly played the part.

Saying that he knew the Illinois Democrat well from their time together on the campaign trail, Biden said of Obama, he "has the judgment, he has the intellect, which no one doubts, and I guarantee you he has the steel in his spine to lead this country of ours out of the deep hole we have dug ourselves into."

His Obama testimony now complete, Biden-the-surrogate turned to the other task at hand: ripping apart the foreign policy of Sen. John McCain. At times, his critique was scathing, accusing the presumptive Republican nominee of lacking the basic gravitas and intellectual capacity to navigate the choppy international waters.

"President Bush and Sen. McCain lump all the threats together," said Biden. "Al Qaeda, the Shia militia, listen to them speak. Listen to my friend Joe Lieberman, and he really is a friend, listen to them speak. Find me a distinction that they make. As a consequence of this profound confusion they make profound mistakes. The idea that al Qaeda will cooperate with the philistine, a guy who in fact used to run the country in Iraq, the guy who did away with the caliphate... is completely contrary to anything that the now-dead leader of Iraq had in mind. It's dangerous. How can we run a sound foreign policy without understanding these decisions? How can we talk about a Shiite-dominated nation cooperating with a Sunni dominated Wahabi sect of Islam as if they had anything in common? Yet listen to my friends, listen to the president, listen to Joe Lieberman, listen to John McCain. Ladies and gentlemen, if they can't define the enemy we are fighting it is very difficult to define whether we have won or lost."

It was a vintage Biden performance, with theatrical and abrupt changes in tone tempered by equally dramatic pauses. Defying the conventional wisdom that foreign policy critiques must come in digestible sound bites, he walked the crowd (already well-versed in Middle East affairs) through what he presented as the major fallacies in the McCain doctrine. Much time was spent on Iran.

"I find it fascinating, the twisted logic of my friends on the other side talking about how this allows Iran to fight a proxy war against us in Iraq," Biden roared. "Huh? Guess what. What more would Iran like than the continuation of a 140,000 to 160,000 Americans in Iraq, bogged down in Iraq, no end in sight. Tell me how much Ahmadinejad would like to inherit a fractured Iraq. Study history. The premises upon which they rationalize I find breathtaking. The idea that John [McCain] and Joe [Lieberman] are going to eliminate any vestige of Iranian influence in Iraq, bless me father for I have sinned. Are they unaware of a border that has existed there for millennium? Are they unaware of the fact that our guy, Maliki is inviting Ahmadinejad to Baghdad and kissing him on both cheeks, literally not figuratively. Are they unaware of the fact that this government in Iraq feels compelled to visit Tehran to explain what it is that they are attempting to do with a long-term security agreement?"

Biden did not address, directly, rumors of his high place on Barack Obama's short list of vice presidential candidates, choosing instead to make light of being flanked on the Washington Post's rankings by two women: Hillary Clinton and Kansas Governor Kathleen Sebelius. And he started the speech off with an ode to his own White House run, openly wondering how he, "the most qualified man to be president," could end up in the role of campaign surrogate.

"I don't know what I'm doing here," he told the crowd.

Sen. Joseph Biden started his speech to the Center for U.S. Global Engagement on Tuesday with the caveat that he is not an Obama insider. But he certainly played the part. Saying that he knew the Ill...
Sen. Joseph Biden started his speech to the Center for U.S. Global Engagement on Tuesday with the caveat that he is not an Obama insider. But he certainly played the part. Saying that he knew the Ill...
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- azcamp I'm a Fan of azcamp 9 fans permalink

Joe Biden is a great leader on foreign policy. He would make a great Sec. of State in the Obama cabinet if he not chosen for the VP spot. .

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:23 PM on 07/15/2008
- ShamusNYC I'm a Fan of ShamusNYC 12 fans permalink

Given how many gaffs John W. McBush has been making, the fact that Joe Biden makes some here & there should be less of an issue for his VP aspirations (to the extent such aspirations exist).

What a great surrogate.

Hope John W. McBush picks Romney. Still think Mass will go blue. Romney can be derided as the penultimate pretty-boy elitist. Though if the r's win, the prospect makes my blood run cold - a reversion back to the 17th century of Imperialism mixed with reactionary social polices.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:13 PM on 07/15/2008
- speeddeeps I'm a Fan of speeddeeps 2 fans permalink

I hope jindal as vp ,am saying this as a dem

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:24 PM on 07/15/2008
- JayDDrew I'm a Fan of JayDDrew 42 fans permalink

That'll definitely throw the racist voters a curve!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:31 PM on 07/15/2008
- DaOne I'm a Fan of DaOne 44 fans permalink
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Free exorcisms for everyone!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:43 PM on 07/15/2008
- NotMcCain I'm a Fan of NotMcCain 73 fans permalink
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Me, too. Very weak choice.

But, sorry, it'll be Pawlenty.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:01 PM on 07/15/2008
- dsbsh I'm a Fan of dsbsh 12 fans permalink

Biden vs. Jindal would be fun to watch.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:07 AM on 07/16/2008
- Lilybart I'm a Fan of Lilybart 7 fans permalink

Biden for VP!

It's suddenly very clear.

He says things exactly the way they should be said about McBushco; blunt, scathing and based on facts and actions, not just spin. Someone with his experience can do this. About time it was pointed out that Iran won the war.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:32 PM on 07/15/2008
- ffny I'm a Fan of ffny 2 fans permalink

Joe Biden love him or not, what you see is what you get,

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:12 PM on 07/15/2008
- Shaddup I'm a Fan of Shaddup 11 fans permalink
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I embrace this. In a time of political turncoats who flip flop like a pancake on a stove burner turned up too hot, a "what you see is what you get" is the most refreshing personality trait in a politician. Period.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:42 PM on 07/15/2008

When Biden highlight's McCain's ignorance regarding history...­and geography.­..and religious factions..­.and the economy, I believe that we voters have all the info that we need to boot the guy out.

Sure, teachers and parents alike often tell our children that they, too, can grow up to be president. The reality is, most children should pursue some other line of work, if they have proven themselves to simply lack the intellectual abilities to successfully carry out the tasks of a president. John McCain, who graduated from Annapolis 895 out of 899 students (bottom 1%), would fit into that non-presidential category like a glove. We tried an intellectually lazy president for nearly eight years now, and we have witnessed a disaster that will take generations to repair. Let's go with the smart guy next time...wha­t do ya think?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:11 PM on 07/15/2008
- muadibe I'm a Fan of muadibe 11 fans permalink

Excellent advice.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:23 PM on 07/15/2008
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Obama-Biden '08 (looks good)

I've been signing my posts Obama-Webb for the last nine months because one of the things I liked most about Webb was his ability to speak firmly, coherently and precisely. Webb's speaking style is like lazar guided ordinance.

I've always loved Biden's speaking ability, but, like a B-52 carpet bombing... there's usually a lot of collateral damage. (Then again, considering what's coming and the gaffe to message ratio of McCain's army, maybe we don't have to worry about Biden.)

It's hard to figure a better guy for foreign policy credentials. That's why I had him picked for State. But, one thing is certain, either Webb or Biden would fill the role of vice presidential attack dog. And as far as the VP debate, I think Biden might have the edge over Webb there.

Obama-Webb '08

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:08 PM on 07/15/2008
- Lilybart I'm a Fan of Lilybart 7 fans permalink

Yes, and we need the VP to be the attack dog that Obama doesn't want to be. And he has the gravitas to carry this off and knows his facts and I bet Biden even knows there is no longer a czeckoslovakia. (good thing, I can't spell it)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:34 PM on 07/15/2008
- dsbsh I'm a Fan of dsbsh 12 fans permalink

And McCain doesn't know how to Google it to find the information.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:06 AM on 07/16/2008
- gouge I'm a Fan of gouge 9 fans permalink

I like him. Straight, intelligent talk. VP

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:05 PM on 07/15/2008
- KBAR I'm a Fan of KBAR 28 fans permalink
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Senate Foreign Relations Committee Chairman Joe Biden On Obama's Iraq Rhetoric: "I don't recall hearing a word from Barack about a plan or a tactic." (Jason Horowitz, "Biden Unbound: Lays Into Clinton, Obama, Edwards," The New York Observer, 2/4/07)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:29 PM on 07/15/2008

Nearly 18 months ago. Times change. There are LOTS of things I know know that I didn't know 18 months ago. I hope Obama keeps growing from not until the end of his second term, at the very least.
Unlike Bush. He thinks the same thing on Wednesday that he thought on Monday. NO MATTER what happened on Tuesday.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:41 PM on 07/15/2008
- Shaddup I'm a Fan of Shaddup 11 fans permalink
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oops, there ya go with old news that no longer applies to well, anything really.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:45 PM on 07/15/2008

blah blah blah

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:53 PM on 07/15/2008
- QueenTiye I'm a Fan of QueenTiye 13 fans permalink
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And maybe then he hadn't. But Obama has a plan now... and, wouldn't it be nice if the guy who clearly can evaluate such a plan, consult on ways to make it better, etc, were on a presidential ticket with a guy who is smart enough to listen?

QT

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:13 PM on 07/15/2008
- yankee452 I'm a Fan of yankee452 39 fans permalink
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In my opinion he is the most capable of candidates for President. But unfortunately he was out of the race before I could give him my vote in the primaries.

Joe Biden - US Ambassador to U.N.

Susan Rice - Sec. of State

General Anthony Zinni (USMC ret.) - Special Envoy to Israel&Palestine

General James L. Jones (USMC Ret.) - Sec. of Defense

Obama '08!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:05 PM on 07/15/2008
- wanj I'm a Fan of wanj 7 fans permalink

Is there a video of this? I'll pay to see it!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:03 PM on 07/15/2008
- coolkraft I'm a Fan of coolkraft 4 fans permalink

you go.....lov­e ya Joe...keep up the good work

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:02 PM on 07/15/2008
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The man is a survivor. He survived the tragic loss of his wife and child in a car accident and a brain tumor. He does not have any patience for nonsense and stupid-ity.

In short, he is the perfect VP attack dog for the Republican B-llsh*t.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:00 PM on 07/15/2008
- dr4Will I'm a Fan of dr4Will 10 fans permalink
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send the old war horse Biden back to his cave--he does not connect to the American people and should take his implants and stay at home fighting for AARP---

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:00 PM on 07/15/2008
- TheGuide I'm a Fan of TheGuide 6 fans permalink

He may not, but he is strong on foreign policy and, like Obama, he looks good and talks smart. Having Biden beside him as his VP pick would annilate McCain and that, dr4, is what you're afraid of.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:19 PM on 07/15/2008
- Shaddup I'm a Fan of Shaddup 11 fans permalink
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Yo, what you see is what you get with Biden. How often can one say THAT about anyone in office?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:46 PM on 07/15/2008
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What have you got to say that means anything, doc. What do you know about Biden or his long history of accomplishments in human rights, foreign policy and getting legislation passed.
He keeps a schedule that would probably wilt you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:05 PM on 07/15/2008
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You are deranged.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:01 PM on 07/15/2008
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Biden is the attack dog that the democrats need to win! You go Joe!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:55 PM on 07/15/2008
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Vice President Joe Biden, when you say it, it feels lovely on the lips.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:54 PM on 07/15/2008
- wanj I'm a Fan of wanj 7 fans permalink

He gives a serious smackdown and thank goodness dems are not at the receiving end!

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/07/biden_to_mukasey_you_really_are_an_enigma_to_me.php

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:53 PM on 07/15/2008

The man protests too much (smile) - of course he wants the vp slot and I think he'd be a great candidate for it (as long as he doesn't put his foot in his mouth which has made him famous).

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:50 PM on 07/15/2008
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