Did Obama Force McCain To Flip-Flop On Afghanistan?

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First Posted: 07-15-08 02:48 PM   |   Updated: 07-23-08 05:12 AM

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John McCain likes to paint Barack Obama as a naive follower on key national security issues. But by moving up his planned Afghanistan speech by two days to follow Obama's, and by agreeing that more U.S. troops are needed there, McCain appears to be following the Illinois Democrat on a major proposed shift for U.S. foreign policy.

Last month, Joint Chiefs chairman Adm. Michael Mullen said he needed at least three brigades shifted to Afghanistan, but that "troop constraints were preventing such a move."

Democrats trumpeted the statement as vindication, but McCain's campaign held its line and "resisted calls for more [U.S.] troops" in Afghanistan.

Indeed, in a policy paper published by Foreign Affairs last fall, McCain argued that any increase of forces in Afghanistan should be comprised of NATO troops instead of U.S. military personnel:

"Our recommitment to Afghanistan must include increasing NATO forces, suspending the debilitating restrictions on when and how those forces can fight, expanding the training and equipping of the Afghan National Army through a long-term partnership with NATO to make it more professional and multiethnic, and deploying significantly more foreign police trainers. It must also address the current political deficiencies in judicial reform, reconstruction, governance, and anticorruption efforts."

According to the Boston Globe, that was a position the McCain campaign repeated last week:

But McCain's advisers say that if he becomes president he would build on President Bush's decision to rely on NATO forces - which now have about 20,000 troops in Afghanistan - and would prod Pakistan to take on Taliban and Al Qaeda fighters camped inside its borders.


"There is no easy answer, but clearly Pakistan needs to do more to crack down there," said [McCain senior foreign policy adviser Randy] Scheunemann.

Flash-forward to today. As the AP reported, McCain was set to discuss the economy, with an address on Afghanistan scheduled for Thursday. But the campaign ditched its planned focus on jobs (although not its banner) to follow Obama's lead -- not only by talking about national security but by joining him in calling for more American troops in Afghanistan.

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Nearly an hour after Obama finished his D.C. speech, in which he repeated his call for "at least two additional combat brigades" to be sent to Afghanistan, McCain stepped to his podium across the country in New Mexico and tried to one-up his Democratic rival. As McCain's website now says, the Arizona Republican wants "at least three additional brigades" for the fight in Afghanistan.

But if Adm. Mullen can't find the troops to provide for a three-brigade increase in Afghanistan, how does McCain (who, unlike Obama, doesn't have plans to begin removing forces from Iraq)?

And what has happened in the last few days to provoke McCain to shift his months-long opposition to sending more U.S. soldiers to Afghanistan?

UPDATE:
MSNBC's First Read team reports that McCain tried to clear up confusion over whether his three new brigades for Afghanistan would be made up by U.S. troops or those from NATO.

But speaking to reporters on his bus after today's speech, McCain indicated that he'd be open to those additional troops coming from NATO.

Still, being "open" to the additional forces coming from NATO is not the same as rejecting the idea of sending more U.S. troops.

SEE UPDATE BELOW John McCain likes to paint Barack Obama as a naive follower on key national security issues. But by moving up his planned Afghanistan speech by two days to follow Obama's, and by agr...
SEE UPDATE BELOW John McCain likes to paint Barack Obama as a naive follower on key national security issues. But by moving up his planned Afghanistan speech by two days to follow Obama's, and by agr...
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McCain gives me the feeling that he's not really looking very far ahead. I really want some details on what he thinks is our next move should be but it sounds like he hasn't really given it much thought. Remarkable that he had his hand forced on this issue.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:06 AM on 07/16/2008
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How many US Taxpayers know that part of McCain's Surge includes using our hard earned Tax Dollars to pay Iraqi Insurgents (the bad guys) NOT TO SHOOT AT US?

McCain keeps saying the HIS "surge" worked. What McCain FAILS to tell the American Public is what PETER BERGEN, CNN TERRORISM ANALYST said last night on a different cable channel.

Quote Peter Bergen, "If it was just about the surge, the violence would be back up again, because the surge is over. There are some underlying factors that are much more important in Iraq, in my view ... Now we have put a 100,000 Sunni militia on the American payroll, people who used to be shooting at the United States who are now on our payroll."

Pretty easy to keep violence down in Iraq when the WE ARE PAYING THE PEOPLE SHOOTING AT US NOT TO SHOOT AT US.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0807/15/acd.01.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:38 AM on 07/16/2008
- okayigive I'm a Fan of okayigive 12 fans permalink

This is yet another way that our government hides the truth about the "surge working". However, what is more appalling is that the government is yet again, continuing failed tactics of funding our enemy and training them only to once again at a later date have them rise up against us once they gain power, training, and knowledge to use against us, as they have done time and time again. Also, please note that this tactic is not supported by those elected to rule in Iraq. They are totally, against the establishment of this sort of military rule within various communities. Some try to portray this group as being liken to "neighborhood watch groups"; well what neighborhood watch group that you know of that get paid and armed by the government?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:22 PM on 07/16/2008
- Yola I'm a Fan of Yola 11 fans permalink

It is very interesting that per McCain and his camp, Obama does not have the experience to lead and win the wars but Obama has consistently been making the right calls. McCain and Bush are always a step behind Obama - wow! what does that say if the rookie is beating the veterans at their so called game?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:26 AM on 07/16/2008

While McCain and Bush are playing catch up, Obama just keep on making the US look so good.

And he is not even POTUS, yet!!!

That has to mean something.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:18 AM on 07/16/2008

Bush is quite a few steps behind. Remember General Shinseki telling Bush and Rumsfeld they
didn't have enough troops? Remember how disrespectful Rumsfeld was to him and his advice?
When Bush added more troops it was labeled a surge. His base lauded him. Talk about the
"Theater of the Absurd--Patrick Moynihan" this is it.
As to experience isn't a president given aides? Doesn't he have advisers?
He negotiates treaties, commands the armed forces, appoints cabinet members, signs or vetoes bills sent to him by congress, is an ambassador at home and abroad to mention some of his duties. Which of these duties has McCain actually performed? Which of them has any president elect ever performed?
Whomever the American people elect they deserve.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:42 PM on 07/16/2008
- mergina I'm a Fan of mergina 82 fans permalink
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The escalating mess in Afghanistan has caused flip flop # 30,647 for McCain.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:27 AM on 07/16/2008
- billw8017 I'm a Fan of billw8017 31 fans permalink

Afghanistan is a landlocked country which we can only get access to through Pakistan, Iran, Russia or China. Our air force can violate Pakistani air space at will, but supplying ground troops is a much trickier matter. Neither can we impose our will on Afghanistan without ground troops.

We are currently using NATO and warlord soldiers to augment our own. The Western forces may be more vulnerable than is commonly appreciated. Not only the Russians but the British have suffered historic massacres there.

It is difficult to imagine a truly humiliating military disaster for the United States in such a broken country but disaster is always one prospect for a miliary action. Some care is absolutely essential. Iraq should be treated with similar care, particularly if our forces are diminished in a drawdown. The people of both countries have reasons to hate us.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:02 AM on 07/16/2008
- Faith101 I'm a Fan of Faith101 5 fans permalink

I think Obama is better for America than anybody knows. If we look at the global aspect of all of this. With Obama as president, it bolds better for us across the globe. People want change and they look to the US to lead. The vast majority of the global comm just don't trust Bush/McCain to do anything but what they have done. We went to war both times under the Bushes's admin. Sr Bush I can understand, but even he had the alliances forged needed to beat back Saddam Hussein out of Kuwait. Obama is more likeable and people are most apt to listen to him. He is right for this time. This is a 21st Century decision that we must make in Nov. McCain's time has passed, he is not ready this kind of pressure. Let's face it, the man is just now learning about computers, this is so basic now..

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:34 AM on 07/16/2008

There is this baseless myth out there suggesting that John McCain is somehow some expert on foreign policy because he was a prisoner of war during the Vietnam War....THAT IS SOME COMPLETE BULL! He DOES NOT know how to end wars if he thinks doubling-down on every failed policy of the Bush Presidency is going to work a second time around. BARACK OBAMA IS THE ANSWER TO HAVOC THE REPUBLICAN PARTY HAS WREAKED ON AMERICA OVER THE PAST 30+ YEARS!

And for all of you Clinton supporters who've fraudulently reasoned that Barack Obama is to blame for her treatment by the media...GET OVER IT! He ran a campaign and won. She said NOTHING when the media was race-baiting Obama! And if you are foolish enough to vote for McBush, you should have your right to vote revoked for Clinton and McCain have NOTHING IN COMMON!

Obama will be to the Democrats what Reagan was to the Republicans, THANK GOD!!! OBAMA WILL BE PRESIDENT, ALL HAIL TO THE COMMANDER-­IN-CHIEF!!­!! 16+ YEARS Democratic Majority!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:23 AM on 07/16/2008
- tel8034 I'm a Fan of tel8034 88 fans permalink

Bush, McCain abd the rest of the Republicans need to explain to us why it is that they call Obama niave on National Security, but have had to follow his lead on at least 3 occasions this year alone.

First it was Obama calling for going after terrorists in Pakistan ........ McSame and Bush scoffed at the idea, then they went and did exactly what Obama suggested.

Next they called Obama an appeaser for wanting to engage in diplomatic relations instead of invading countries like Iran ............ Then lo and behold Bush pats himself on the back for negotiating with North Korea, last month, and now we hear that an Ambassador is being sent to Iran for talks.

Obama has ALWAYS said that Afghanistan was failing on the military front because the focus was on the unnecessary war in Iraq, and finding Bin Laden (who started all of this in the first place) was no longer a Bush priority ................ McSame and Bush scoffed at this notion as well, and now suddenly Afghanistan is now a priority again.

Obama is therefore shown to be NOT NIAVE at all, and he has been RIGHT ON EVERYTHING CONCERNING NATIONAL SECURITY.

In fact McSame and Bush seem to have to wait in the wings for INSTRUCTIONS from Obama before they know whay to do and act.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:37 AM on 07/16/2008

EXACTLY!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:13 AM on 07/16/2008

If BO isn't our next Prez, the US will be seriously F#*ked up under McBush. Not only does McBush NOT have any clue about what is going on, he has no idea what to DO about all the stuff that he has no idea about!

*Please God, I promise if you grant me this one thing I'll never ask for anything ever again, and you can even tell Santa that I don't want anything for Christmas (maybe), but can I PLEASE have a Barack Obama for President of the United States. PLEASE! I promise I'll be good! AMEN*

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:29 AM on 07/16/2008

Amen Halleluyah

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:28 AM on 07/16/2008
- harriscrl3 I'm a Fan of harriscrl3 191 fans permalink

Obama has the uncanny ability to see problems before they maginfiy into bigger problems. Most of us dont see it until it becomes obvious but he sees it when it is in the early stages of developing. That I think comes from a fundamental understanding of strategic initiatives geopolitical structure history and culture. I have never seen a candidate who has effectively used historical actions to shape the future. Even his speeches is like a history lesson the way he weaves history to explain the current situation and offer solutions on how we can move into the future. Thats part of the reason why he has come as far as he has in this camapign he studies past campaigns.

For all this talk of naieve it is John McCain and GWB who are the ones that are naieve and when their eyes are opened thats why they end up embracing some of Obama's ideas.

Carol

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:10 AM on 07/16/2008
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The news just reported that the Bush Administration is now arranging high level talks with Iran. I guess O's policy of "talking" with leaders of all nations, including those hostile to us, has now "refined" the B-ush's policy! Guess all that hype by B-ush about "appeasement" was all hot air. Too funny!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:50 PM on 07/15/2008
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Did you see Verdict with Dan Abrams tonight?

First, I enjoy the segments "Why America Hates Washington," "Beat The Press," "Winners and Losers," and the email segment called "The PO'd Box" good points.

Well tonight, he gave Obama a BIG -BIG WIN on the his foreign policy's concerning both wars and how McCain is now shifting to Obama's views..

AND a breaking news tip came in from the AP...talking about what is written her as well, and stated that Bush's third ranking officer was going to meet with IRAN ....pointed out how Bush and McBush are now moving to WHAT OBAMA HAS BEEN SAYING FOR OVER A YEAR!

WIN WIN FOR OBAMA...

you've got to see it ....

McBush big loser on foreign policy today which is supposed to be HIS strong point.

LOVED IT- Rhonda

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:13 AM on 07/16/2008
- Xenopus I'm a Fan of Xenopus 28 fans permalink

McCain followed what Obama has been saying for a couple of months about focusing on Afghanistan by saying we need 2-3 brigades there - then he realized he had flipped again and tried to smooth it over by suggesting he meant NATO troops. This guy just makes it up as he goes along. I heard him say he has never backed Bush's Irag War Plan. That is a blatant lie - up to recently he has been Bush's biggest defender over the past 5 years. He just says what ever the moment takes regardless of the truth. By the way, now we have people going to Iran on a diplomatic mission. Seems as if Obama has been right on both things and McCain against both focusing on Afghanistan and diplomacy with Iran.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:39 PM on 07/15/2008
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They have to start doing campaign commercials about Mc-Cain's fumbling, this is getting ridiculous. Not as if we can rely on the MSM to point it out.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:53 PM on 07/15/2008

No, what is ridiculous is that it is over now. Support gained due to his oversight of detail/ backpedal will be welcomed.

No one will follow up for clarification.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:11 AM on 07/16/2008
- ChiGuy I'm a Fan of ChiGuy 316 fans permalink
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As election day nears, watch as 0.b.a.m.a. continues to play J-Mac like a cheap guitar.
He'll set the tone, and spank the codger in November.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:43 PM on 07/15/2008
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After hearing Obama's speech today, I don't know about anyone else, but I can't wait for the first Obama - McCain debate.
Put side by side, Obama's use of logic, historical knowledge, grasp of the English language, and insight into what is really going on in the Middle East, McCain will be down by the first bell.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:34 PM on 07/15/2008

That's what I thought when bush debated Kerry. Look where that got us.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:01 AM on 07/16/2008
- gintheb I'm a Fan of gintheb 8 fans permalink

Follow the leader.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:51 PM on 07/15/2008
- Ifeomamn I'm a Fan of Ifeomamn 2 fans permalink

The MSM needs to report the facts instead of giving Mccain a pass. If they do that, this election will be a landslide. Obama has shown that he is a leader and Mccain has shown that he is not.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:42 PM on 07/15/2008
- harriscrl3 I'm a Fan of harriscrl3 191 fans permalink

Not really McCain is a MASTER FLIP FLOPPER on his own but what Obama has forced him to do is to FOLLOW HIS LEAD.

Carol

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:41 PM on 07/15/2008
- JoeBlough I'm a Fan of JoeBlough 57 fans permalink
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Who will sit down on the other side of the table and sign the Articles of Surrender?
They have no Leader, they have no Army, they have no Country. We are shooting at an ever changing group of people.

We can"t win and we can"t lose. All we can do is to shoot at them until we get tired of the killing or we run out of money.
When we come home, we will neither have won nor lost. We will only be poorer and the subject of World scorn. America has lost its center.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:39 PM on 07/15/2008

Maybe we knock down the statue of a dictator, use that to declare victory, and then just continue fighting forever so we can protect our oil interests. Oh wait

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:14 PM on 07/15/2008
- Xenopus I'm a Fan of Xenopus 28 fans permalink

Bush should have used the same strategy in the Middle East that he used in Viet Nam - gone AWOL.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:40 PM on 07/15/2008

The rhetoric is supreme. It shuts down all discussion.

YOU WANT TO SURRENDER!

How can you discuss the merits of anything when your opponents use this sort of rhetoric. But these are the same people that stage walkouts in Congress, on our dime.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:13 AM on 07/16/2008
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