Obama's Multi-Million Dollar Question: What About The Hillraiser Holdouts?

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First Posted: 07-15-08 08:11 AM   |   Updated: 07-23-08 05:12 AM

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Before Hillary Clinton suspended her presidential campaign, the chattering classes were doing what they do best: speculating, specifically about her 18 million voters. Once the New York Democrat bowed out, would her fiercest female supporters "get in line" and support Barack Obama? This question, and others like it, were breathlessly repeated -- as though the simple act of repetition could will a conflict, and a great story, into being.

Barely one month after Clinton's exit from the race, however, the power of the women's vote to stir up trouble for Democrats has become a decidedly less certain affair. While Salon's Rebecca Traister has become an invaluable source for anyone who wants to understand the mixed feelings that still persist among some Clinton supporters, Barack Obama has opened up a double-digit lead over John McCain among women (a trend that started the very week after Clinton brought her campaign to a close). That advantage is sticking, at least according to a new Quinnipiac poll released Tuesday, which showed Obama with a 14-point lead over McCain among female voters.

But even if the process of healing is well underway in the Democratic Party at large, there is less clarity about the status of the "unity project" when it comes to the smaller circle of high-dollar Democratic donors -- many of whom originally backed Clinton. Now, as John McCain begins posting his best-ever financial numbers while the Obama campaign appears to be conceding that small, internet donations can't power them all the way to November 4, the absence of some key "Hillraisers" from the current Obama fundraising effort has become conspicuous. Even a few such holdouts, should they stay on the sidelines for the duration of the election, could add up to a loss of millions of dollars for the Obama campaign and the Democratic National Committee (which is a bit cash-poor, itself).

One former Hillraiser who is now putting his Rolodex to work for Obama said part of the divide in high-dollar Democratic donor circles comes down to gender. "What these [women] are doing is confusing their legitimate anger over sexism that occurred in this campaign -- and particularly in the media -- with the Obama [campaign]," he told The Huffington Post. "I think, as a man, I can't really speak to them about it, even though I feel the same anger about it. I was off the wall about [the sexism directed Clinton's way] during the campaign."

The names of some Hillraiser holdouts will not come as a surprise to those who follow the Democratic money chase. Susie Tompkins Buell, Lynn Forester and Jill Iscol were each cited in background interviews as the key financial workhorses who have yet to start pulling for Obama. In separate conversations with The Huffington Post, the three major donors each described their respective sources of discontent, and talked about what, if anything, can still be done to change their minds.

One area agreement among them, however, rang out loud and clear: the vice presidency should go to Clinton. (Indeed, Iscol already made news earlier this week when she related details of a phone conversation with Obama, in which he appeared to include Clinton on his VP shortlist, to the LA Times.)

"The magic solution in general is the vice presidency. It heals all the wounds immediately," Buell said.

"The smartest thing that [Obama] could do is to make Hillary the vice presidential candidate," Forester agreed.

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For her part, Iscol poured water on the notion that women could be similarly moved by the presence of another female candidate on the ticket, such as Kansas Governor Kathleen Sebelius. "Women aren't fungible," she said. "You don't just exchange one for the other."

But even if Clinton is not Obama's running mate, the three former Hillraisers all said the presumptive nominee should make an effort to prop up the Clintons' reputation, particularly that of the former president, which emerged from primary season tarred not only by accusations of racism, but by the sense that his political legacy could easily be discarded on the way to a "new" politics.

"It was a total outrage that the leadership of the party allowed Bill Clinton to be cast as a racist. It was such an injustice -- so stupid and so wrong and so offensive," Forester said. "If he wants to unite the party and bring the true centrists back ... Obama better worry about Bill Clinton's legacy. ... There's a lot he can do at the convention to prove his respect for both Clintons. That would be very, very welcome. If that were done, it would be inevitable that millions of people would support Obama with time, money and votes."

One thing Obama should avoid doing now however, when courting Clinton's big donors, is trying to smooth over hurt feelings among female Democrats by addressing sexism dating from the primaries. "If he was going to [give a speech on misogyny or gender], he should have done it at the time when that was really happening," Buell said. "I think if Barack Obama made a speech right now about gender bias it would be seen as extremely political."

Another lingering resentment for some Hillraiser holdouts is the issue of Clinton's campaign debt. Beyond the practical fiduciary matters and legal wrangling, the whole issue appears to them as a matter of character and tradition, in which the winner of a party primary should help the loser tie up loose ends. "If Hillary Clinton had been the nominee, it wouldn't have taken two weeks to talk about Barack Obama's debt," Forester said.

But while bad feelings persist, Clinton campaign national finance co-chair Yashar Hedayat doesn't think they are destined to last forever. Describing an early Obama-Clinton "come together" session at Washington D.C.'s Mayflower hotel, Hedayat noted that Obama said he could not expect the Hillraisers' "energy and passion" to be transferred to his campaign. "He can have that overnight," Hedayat said -- referring not only to fundraising prowess, but the Clinton grassroots energy -- so long as Obama addresses the fundraisers' concerns about how the former first family has been treated.

Indeed, for the Hillraisers now on the sidelines, it's become a personal affair, even as their former leader urges them to throw all their effort behind the Democratic nominee.

"I haven't had, like, a thought out process I'm following here," Buell said. "I'm just following my heart. Right now, I'm not attracted to anything Obama's doing. There's nothing that's making me feel better about him. ... I've been on these calls with Hillary, where she is very enthusiastically. earnestly trying to convince people that it's time to go in the other direction. I'm not, I can't be. I'm not ready to. ... Obviously, I'm not gonna vote for John McCain. It depends how hard I'm gonna work for [Obama]."

Before Hillary Clinton suspended her presidential campaign, the chattering classes were doing what they do best: speculating, specifically about her 18 million voters. Once the New York Democrat bowed...
Before Hillary Clinton suspended her presidential campaign, the chattering classes were doing what they do best: speculating, specifically about her 18 million voters. Once the New York Democrat bowed...
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- JackND I'm a Fan of JackND 28 fans permalink

Choosing Hillary as his running mate will seem like something that was out of his control, as if the position had been purchased by donaters.

And I have no intention of voting for Obama if he puts her there, if only for that reason. Of course, there are countless other reasons to reject a ticket with Hillary Clinton on it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:21 PM on 07/15/2008
- BassMent I'm a Fan of BassMent 43 fans permalink
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Obama has a tough decision to make here. If he feels he needs these women on board in order to raise enough money to win (which seems weird, considering how thoroughly his campaign out-raised Clinton's in the primary), then he must select Hillary as VP.

But as soon as he selects HIllary as VP, he opens himself up to all of the damage that the selection could cause, from her personal negatives to Bill's shenanigans to associating himself with old-school politics.

I'd like to think he can win it without HIllary's donors. It seems clear that the majority of women voters understand the stakes in this election, with women's rights likely to be set back 75 years if McCain appoints the next Supreme Court justices. Such a shame that these women power brokers in the party have such a sense of entitlement that they're willing to sacrifice the wellbeing of all American women in order to prove their clout.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:21 PM on 07/15/2008
- ewj1 I'm a Fan of ewj1 permalink

"If Hillary Clinton had been the nominee, it wouldn't have taken two weeks to talk about Barack Obama's debt," Forester said.

While quotes like the above fuel resentment and justify anger,but are not based on facts. When HRC ran for Senate in 2000 she do not assist her opponents nor did Bill Clinton assist his primary opponents until after he was elected President

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:18 PM on 07/15/2008
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"If Hillary Clinton had been the nominee, it wouldn't have taken two weeks to talk about Barack Obama's debt," Forester said.

Considering his management style and the people he's surrounded himself with, there would have BEEN no debt......

Hillary, on the other hand.......

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:24 PM on 07/15/2008
- PJay1 I'm a Fan of PJay1 65 fans permalink
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More classic narcissism.

Clinton: 'Make me vp even though I made several references associations with the RFK assassination.' (Even David Gergen said Obama would need a taste tester if she were the vp.)

'Pay my debt that I recklessly and irresponsibly racked up, knowing I couldn't win unless I destroyed you.'

'Fix our legacy that we ourselves destroyed.'

'Oh, and while you're at it, shine my shoes.'

Yup, classic narcissistic, manipulative victims.

FEH!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:18 PM on 07/15/2008
- LAR1969 I'm a Fan of LAR1969 4 fans permalink
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This is how the war on sexism is being waged - by feeding into the worst stereotypes: emotional manipulation and blackmail? Thanks for doing the rest of us women a disservice!

It's like a custody battle for voters.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:27 PM on 07/15/2008
- bigfro I'm a Fan of bigfro 11 fans permalink

That doesn't give you woman the right to be manhaters to get even. It's all equal or it's war.

The very fact that you woman expect us still to coddle Hilary just because she is a woman is in itself sexist.

This kind of Entitlement based entirely on gender needs to be shot down. Chivalry and the man picking up the check (or the campaign debt) is not equal rights,

Stop acting like whining children who don't like the added responsibility of equality. Hold your own door and pay your own bills and you will get equal salary. As long as a man's salary is expected to pay for a woman or her campaign then any attempt at equality is impossible.

Hold my damn door and pay my rent and I'll chill out with a lower salary, but if you want to play with the adults then man up or woman up or whatever it takes to do your share and stop blaming men for not doing the heavy lifting for you.;

Now we have to be extra sensitive to show a bunch of sexist man haters that we don't hate woman. Well if you hit me I will hit back.. If you kamikaze the democratic party over a sense of WIFE entitlement then you lose and we laugh at your pathetic attempts to have your cake and eat it too.

Be nice and we will too. ladies.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:54 PM on 07/15/2008
- 2bad I'm a Fan of 2bad 17 fans permalink

wow, you're a real basketcase aren't you? where in pjay1's post did it even come close to being sexist??? if people of your ilk can't handle the truth about life, lock yourself away and don't watch television or get on the internet.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:59 PM on 07/15/2008
- LAR1969 I'm a Fan of LAR1969 4 fans permalink
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Ooops, I think I made a mistake here. I adding on to pjay's post, not deriding it. I agree!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:14 PM on 07/15/2008
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Ah so, narcissism is exclusively a female emotion? Really?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:26 AM on 07/16/2008

I am so tired of hearing about what Hillarys supporters want. They DID NOT WIN. I used to have a lot of respect for the Clintons, but their behavior was equally appalling, when compared with the sexism claim, during the primaries. She took cheap shot after cheap shot. To the three bettys who are holding back their support, when you lose you dont get to tell the winner what he has to do. CAN IT.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:18 PM on 07/15/2008
- JackND I'm a Fan of JackND 28 fans permalink

Exactly, and if Obama allows it (and he sure is talking that way, with his "I need Hillary and I need Bill" nonsense), I'll not be giving my vote to a sellout candidate.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:33 PM on 07/15/2008
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Exactly, and if Obama allows it (and he sure is talking that way, with his "I need Hillary and I need Bill" nonsense), I'll not be giving my vote to a sellout candidate.


As much as I support BHO, I agree 100%. This approaching the clinton's with his hat in hand is starting to feel slimy.
I don't want Obama to be the Angry Black Man, but I do want to see in him a modicum of pride.
If he feels he need to approach those clinton's on bended knee, and they bring nothing of value to the equation, how will he perform on the world stage?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:51 PM on 07/15/2008
- Samson1 I'm a Fan of Samson1 2 fans permalink

And, neither has Obama yet. And if the Clinton people stay home, he may just be a magnificent loser. He has a. Moved to the center and abandoned all pretense of hard core belief in civil liberty (FISA), b. He is "refining" his position on Iraq (want to bet it is closer to McCaines when he is done "refining"), So, other than being black, just what is so "special" about Obama? He is just another democrat who used a terrific hook to get an advantage in the primaries by winning a lot of caucus votes in states he will not win. His biggiest problem with Clinton supporters may be the attitude of his supporters. He has clearly shown he is every bit as much of an opportunistic politician as Clinton and he appears to have about as many core values as Clinton. Now is the time to figure out how to win the general election. Did you like the New Yorker Cover? Just the first of many attacks, many by "friends". Do you think Obama is immune to this sort of thing, lets use an old generic term, "swift boating"? So far, he has not shown a lot of ability to respond. He has made plenty of mis-steps. Where's his mojo?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:48 PM on 07/15/2008
- PumaAnn I'm a Fan of PumaAnn 27 fans permalink

Today, Bush underscored how close Obama's new Iraq stance is to his. LOL*

Yes, the shift on Iraq is coming, but we knew that already.

McCain is now beating him up over how he was against the surge. McCain's going to win this one, I suspect, with the public.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:01 PM on 07/15/2008
- mairs I'm a Fan of mairs 263 fans permalink
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He has responded forcefully and very well to attacks. I don't know where you have been. Oh, you must be talking about Mc Insane.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:15 PM on 07/15/2008

O.k Sampson and Goliath, what the f--ing hell your'e talking about? talking about ignorant.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:23 PM on 07/15/2008
- greginwva I'm a Fan of greginwva 5 fans permalink
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I wonder how upset these wealthy ladies were when Billy Shaheen wondered about Barack's make believe drug dealing or when Bill made the Jackson comparison to Obama's SC win.I bet they snickered and cheered at every attack on this man.Let Barack tease about little Oakly Annie throwing down shots and its sexism.Barack doesnt need to their money to win.It didnt do Hillary any good.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:06 PM on 07/15/2008

We, Hillary'supporters, will retire her campaign debt. Obama can take his dog and pony show to wherever he can find the most gullible voters; the DNC is an obvious choice. PUMA Democrats, 2 million and counting, are pledged to NOT vote for Obama in November.The time for him to address the sexism is long past. Every sentence he has mumbled since then only serves to inflame us more.
Between "sweetie" and refering to Ginger Rogers, he really knows how to increase our ire. Americans foolish enough to endorse this changeling will have no recourse when he ignores them as he has ignored us until he wanted our votes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:18 PM on 07/15/2008
- mairs I'm a Fan of mairs 263 fans permalink
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If "sweetie" is all you got on him, you are extremely desperate to pin something on him. He was very gracious to her during the campaign. "Sweetie!" I'm laughing at the stretch you have to make to call him sexist over that.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:17 PM on 07/15/2008
- PumaAnn I'm a Fan of PumaAnn 27 fans permalink

Oh heaven's, that's so the least of it all. Nobody in the Dem Party spoke out against the gross sexism. Poll after poll shows that the country saw it clearly. And that includes a lot of folks whom aren't looking for subtle sexism.

The only people who seem to have missed it are Obamamaniacs and Pelosi. LOL* (She actually said that, the idiot.)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:23 PM on 07/15/2008

The Hillraisers should stop crying in their Chablis and take a look at the state America is in. George Bush has (with a little help from Phil Gramm when he was in the Senate) run the American economy into the ground. Sometime during the 90's the collective wisdom decided the Depression could never happen again, and Depression-era legislation such as the Glass-Steagal (sp?) Act was gutted. There is not even a fox guarding the henhouse. It is patently clear that John McCain simply has no grasp of this situation (as evidenced by, inter alia, his former admiration for Phil Gramm). A lot of these Hillraisers seem to be mega-wealthy. They should consider the impact of current economic policies on their fortunes. If the American economy really crumbles, there won't be anywhere in the world for a generation where they'll know their money will be safe. They have more important things to worry about than re-arranging the deck chairs.

They should also consider the impact of a McCain presidency on their pleasure trips to Europe. Not much fun when all those haughty Europeans are hissing at you behind your back, eh? Ms. Lynn Forester Rothschild (the one who thinks Sen. Obama is too much of an elitist for her) should give that a moment's thought.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:17 PM on 07/15/2008

Hillrasier hold outs, if they don't step up to the plate now and support Obama, are going to loose in the long run. Hillary's dream of becoming the VP candidate is so gone from reality. Obama will not jeporadize his candidacy by offering Hillary the VP slot. And as far as Hillary's 18 million vote card, it has already lost it impact. If he is elected, it will be without these voters. Even if the VP running slot was for sale, and already in debt for 30 million dollars, I doubt seriously Hillary will even receive "honorable mention." For Hillary, she lives a defeated dream.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:14 PM on 07/15/2008
- suzyku I'm a Fan of suzyku 6 fans permalink

These people are disgraceful! They are in no position to tell anyone what to do! If they don't want to win in November are they willing to allow this entire country to suffer for their selfishness and stupid spite! We're not too thrilled with hillary either, she was a dirty politician if ever there was one!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:14 PM on 07/15/2008
- naluca I'm a Fan of naluca 18 fans permalink

Unfortunately, the full impact of Barack Obama will not be felt until he reaches the White House, if he does. Then, watch out. Doing the job is alot different than playing the election game, and you Obama supporters will have even less influence over events than you have now.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:14 PM on 07/15/2008
- WillNYC I'm a Fan of WillNYC 9 fans permalink
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Fiengold for VP...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:13 PM on 07/15/2008
- Manni I'm a Fan of Manni 3 fans permalink

Hey take that far lefty Boxer woman too!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:42 PM on 07/15/2008
- GuyFawkes I'm a Fan of GuyFawkes 28 fans permalink

These people -- and by extension the Clintons -- are holding democracy hostage for their own selfish needs. Is Hillary bigger than the country?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:13 PM on 07/15/2008

Why is it Obama's responsibility to repair the reputation that Billary destroyed themselves?

I don't recall Obama telling Billary to go negative and take up the GOP playbook when running one of the worst campaigns in history....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:11 PM on 07/15/2008
- Dailyfare I'm a Fan of Dailyfare 2 fans permalink

"It was a total outrage that the leadership of the party allowed Bill Clinton to be cast as a racist."

Well, if it walks like a duck.

Bill Clinton made his bed. He was willing to sabotage his sound relationship with African-Americans (his most solid group of supporters) in order to win white votes for his wife. It's not up to the party leadership to cover for Bill Clinton.

Ask them, specifically, what Barack Obama has done to either Bill or Hillary Clinton and you get. . .NOTHING. They can't name one instance of Barack Obama's ill treatment of the Clintons. They talk about what the media has done and Obama supporters, but nothing from Barack Obama.

I am so, so sick of these whiny-a** Hilary supporters.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:09 PM on 07/15/2008
- PumaAnn I'm a Fan of PumaAnn 27 fans permalink

That is a large part of the issue. Democrats using Republican tactics against the Clintons infuriated a large number of Clinton Democrats within the party.

They are actually the maddest, even madder than the feminists.

They are the ones who will truly turn their backs on Obama.

That was a strategy used by Obama that he cannot take back now. And Bill Clinton supposedly said that Obama could kiss his a**. I think he meant it. He'll not do much to help.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:32 PM on 07/15/2008
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Democrats using Republican tactics against the Clintons infuriated a large number of Clinton Democrats within the party.

Curiously, there weren't enough of those "infuriated...clinton democrats to win her the nomination.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:55 PM on 07/15/2008
- KMan1 I'm a Fan of KMan1 6 fans permalink

Project much? The only democrats to use republican tactics were the Clintons and it is certainly not Obama’s fault that the Clintons choose to take that road. They chose to make offensive statements. They chose to make tasteless and inaccurate statements about Obama. What did Obama do to them? Besides not stepping aside and just letting Clinton take what she apparently thought was owed to her.

Please name just one situation where Obama attacked either one of the Clintons. Give an example. TIA

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:02 PM on 07/15/2008
- pleeezzze I'm a Fan of pleeezzze 6 fans permalink

Speaking of Whine , that took the prize .

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:33 PM on 07/15/2008
- Yurdelite I'm a Fan of Yurdelite 26 fans permalink

Hillary Clinton is squarely to blame for this Democratic disunity. She undermined Obama by not conceding and throwing her full support to the Democratic Party nominee. I will NEVER forgive Hillary or Bill Clinton and their supporters for what they have done to the Democratic Party.

Why is it that the first legitimate black candidate and presumptive nominee has to play by their rules? Did they play these same hardball tactics with all the other WHITE MALE candidates? NO, they fell in line behind the Party.

This is sad and disgusting. If Obama loses, it will be the fault of Hillary Clinton, period because she allowed her campaign to be run like a republican. I cannot remember when I have ever heard a Democrat treat a fellow Dem like she did.

On Newsvine.com, the Hillary supporters are ridiculous to the point of wanting to disrupt the convention. If they do this to the first black candidate of the party, I will leave the Democratic Party because they are not the party I grew up with.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:34 PM on 07/15/2008
- PumaAnn I'm a Fan of PumaAnn 27 fans permalink

Protesting the convention has nothing to do with Obama's skin color. And we certainly have the right to be there.

This is a convention, not a rally for Obama. There IS a difference.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:26 PM on 07/15/2008
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Willy needs to man up and get O elected and the problems HE created will start to be fixed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:41 PM on 07/15/2008

these women ought to be ashamed of themselves, letting their own petty bitterness get in the way of electing a democrat. I'm a working mom, not a rich woman like these fundraisers. I will be HURT by 4 more years of republican rule. The only thing that should matter to women now is defeating John McCain. And Obama should pick the runningmate that will best help him pull votes on November 4th, not a runningmate to appease these self-inflated "Hillraisers". Just disgusting.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:07 PM on 07/15/2008
- PJay1 I'm a Fan of PJay1 65 fans permalink
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Bottom line, it's about them, not what's good or bad for us or the country.

Self centered 'bitter' victims who will take no responsibility for their own or their candidate's actions.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:21 PM on 07/15/2008
- elsrks I'm a Fan of elsrks 2 fans permalink

so well expressed..

hope these "women" read all these valuable comments by so many..

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:33 PM on 07/15/2008

Thing is these "rich" women can afford to be pity and spiteful, Johnnie as President isn't going to affect their way of life one bit. These women are not in this for the country their in this for the influence and power it gives them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:38 PM on 07/15/2008
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